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Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:43pm
http://n-equals-one.com/blogs/2011/04/22/enterotypes-and-blood-types2/
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, April 22, 2011, 9:45pm; Reply: 1
Thanks! :)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 22, 2011, 10:24pm; Reply: 2
glad you set it straight again! :)
Posted by: TJ, Sunday, April 24, 2011, 12:42am; Reply: 3
So which enterotypes match which ABO blood groups?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 24, 2011, 1:25am; Reply: 4
pick and choose...... :)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, April 25, 2011, 3:45am; Reply: 5
Oh yes the * in the title.. .. I need to remember!
Posted by: TJ, Monday, April 25, 2011, 7:00pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Lola
pick and choose...... :)

Was this an answer to my question???
Posted by: Lola, Monday, April 25, 2011, 7:08pm; Reply: 7
yup
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 2:24am; Reply: 8
Could you be a little more specific?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 2:45am; Reply: 9
sure.......if Dr D didn t explain which is for which......then we can all use our criteria on all we have learned about gut ecosystem differences and try and understand this through BT GT lenses, no?
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 2:50am; Reply: 10
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So which enterotypes match which ABO blood groups?

Quoted from Lola
sure.......if Dr D didn t explain which is for which......then we can all use our criteria on all we have learned about gut ecosystem differences and try and understand this through BT GT lenses, no?

I don't think this answers my question. ::)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 3:17am; Reply: 11
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So which enterotypes match which ABO blood groups?


Dr D mentioned
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Long overdue blog on the latest news about 'enterotypes,' which some scientists are comparing to blood types. They're probably more correct than they know.


the study would need to be more broken down into blood groups......to know....
these guys have part of the big picture, but not all
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 3:45am; Reply: 12
TJ,

I've been searching and reading for about an hour and I can't find anywhere that the connection is made conclusively...  

I even approached the problem starting with the beneficial bacteria is Dr. D.'s Polyflora, but can't find anywhere that they are connected to the Enterotypes...
EDITED to add: I should have stated that I can't find which Enterotype the beneficial bacteria are...  

I probably just haven't looked deep enough or in the right places...  
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 5:17am; Reply: 13
many dif. ways leads to Rome, TJ ;) ;D.....
Posted by: battle dwarf, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:23am; Reply: 14
ah but you are mistaken. all roads to not LEAD to rome...they are leading AWAY from it. :D common misconception.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 12:01pm; Reply: 15
ooops  forgot my owl, bd ;) ;D .... where is Athens ??)  ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 12:16pm; Reply: 16
This is just one study among many that show that we are all not the same inside. ( I know a few studies have shown that B's have more diverse gut flora)

We know from Dr. D that our gut flora plays a large part in our health and that each blood type has a different environment in the gut.. from levels of gastric acid to alkaline phosphatase.

This is just another step along the way. The study is not done by Dr. D so he has no control over  what was done.

But we can conclude that individual diets and lifestyles are important and the scientific community will have to begin to recognize it. It is due to information like this that will move the idea forward.

No where does it state A's are this type and B's are this type.  But like Lola said you have to take what you know and apply it to the information presented.
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 1:06pm; Reply: 17
Pretty much what she said. Probably a correlation, but nothing distinct, at least as far as the enterotype study went. The point of the blog was that they shoudl be aware that there are prior studies looking at blood groups and their effect on the microbiome. I may well do something further when the UBCOE gets up and running.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 1:25pm; Reply: 18
If the people who do the studies have any brains they will read any comments that circulate around the internet, sometimes creativity in science is stolen from people just like us.

Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 5:38pm; Reply: 19
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So which enterotypes match which ABO blood groups?
Quoted from Lola
pick and choose...... :)
Quoted from Lola
the study would need to be more broken down into blood groups......to know....
these guys have part of the big picture, but not all

So the answer is, "There isn't an answer yet". :(  It would have made more sense to me if you had just said, "We don't know" from the start.

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I may well do something further when the UBCOE gets up and running.

I'll be anticipating the results!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:12pm; Reply: 20
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If the people who do the studies have any brains

asking them to repopulate their ecosystems by popping polyflora for their types might be a great start!!! ;D

they might get an ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh moment
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, April 28, 2011, 3:11am; Reply: 21
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
If the people who do the studies have any brains they will read any comments that circulate around the internet, sometimes creativity in science is stolen from people just like us.
The ABO/Secretor - enterotype correlation does not gain significance unless the person is questioning (or better yet, has abandoned) the unimorphic medical view of human beings.  A case of the persistent issue of foundational assumptions that will require a several breakthrough moments to beat the habitual resistance.  We need a medical researcher to see, what in their estimation is impossible, in order to usher them into the polymorphic view of things.

I wish there were some known poison or deadly pathology to which a specific individual was epi-genetically immune.  I still favor the concept of nineteenth centry style laboratory lecture caught on video.

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I'll be anticipating the results!
Wouldn't it be better to be participating rather than anticipating?   ;)
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, May 19, 2011, 5:06pm; Reply: 22
What I find significant is that the polymorphisms we have as "hosts" as Dr.D mentions, are or may be influenced by our gut population.  For me, that is super important.  As the polymorphisms I have may decrease as my gut flora increases, as long as they are the right flora I suppose.  

But I think the concern, and what TJ is asking, is that how do we know the flora we are trying to populate our guts with, with probiotics and such, are the right ones.  And I'm sure Dr.D has a handle on this, as he has the formulations for each GTD.  But since we are all individuals, it is curious as to know which ones are best for us.  Now, I think all we can do is TRY to populate our gut, and go from there.  It would probably be impossible for some scientist sitting at a desk to know, which combination is going to be best for us.  But, maybe it is possible down the road.  

But in my uneducated mind, I'm thinking were constantly changing and such, so, it doesn't seem like there would be any one static answer.  For example, I know there are times in my life where my gut was a little more robust than other times.  My Grandma once told me she heard that our system changes every 7 years.  And I don't know where she got that, or what, but I feel like there could be some wisdom in that.  I would love to know if there is a scientific theory that matches it out there.  I guess I should google it.

But beyond all that, the Work of Westin Price, among others I would suppose, has shown that many societies through the ages have used cultured foods to help maintain good health. Kefir is as old as the hills from Turkey or something like that, Sourdough has been in europe for as long as they've remembered, I think, yoghurt and buttermilk are nothing new under the sun, etc, etc.  Sauerkraut.  Whatever.  And despite the differences Dr.D and the proponents of Westin Price may have on certain issues like *cough*soy*cough*, I think that what I can tell, it is sound wisdom to use some of these culturing practices for our guts.  

No?
Posted by: TJ, Friday, May 20, 2011, 6:37pm; Reply: 23
From That Anxiety May Be In Your Gut, Not In Your Head:

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To confirm that bacteria can influence behaviour, the researchers colonized germ-free mice with bacteria taken from mice with a different behavioural pattern. They found that when germ-free mice with a genetic background associated with passive behaviour were colonized with bacteria from mice with higher exploratory behaviour, they became more active and daring. Similarly, normally active mice became more passive after receiving bacteria from mice whose genetic background is associated with passive behaviour.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 1:21am; Reply: 24
There was a time in my life when I was very daring, bold, confident, traveling all the time, ready to eat bicycle chains, etc etc.  Since I've had digestion problems.  I struggle with fear and anxiety.  I can tell you from personal experience that gut problems influence your anxiety levels and confidence and what not.  There may be some emotional, underlying issues that I need to deal with, but the physical definitely affects the mental.  I was taking seretonin support heavily for over a year and I know without a doubt it helped with my anxiety.  I'm off it now, so I'm kind of up and down battling it.  But I don't really feel like I need it.  But getting tryptophan seems to help.  Plantains and turkey.  Problem is, plantains are very sweet.  And turkey can be kind of fatty.  But, whatever.  I totally agree with your point.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 21, 2011, 8:17am; Reply: 25
ABN.... remember it well... you don't have any fear... YOU ARE IT !!!  ;D :X :K)
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, May 21, 2011, 12:44pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from JJR
But in my uneducated mind, I'm thinking were constantly changing and such, so, it doesn't seem like there would be any one static answer.  For example, I know there are times in my life where my gut was a little more robust than other times.  My Grandma once told me she heard that our system changes every 7 years.  And I don't know where she got that, or what, but I feel like there could be some wisdom in that.  I would love to know if there is a scientific theory that matches it out there.  I guess I should google it.  

I’ve heard the 7 years from a lot of people.  Is it an urban myth or the truth?
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 12:26am; Reply: 27
Thank you amazone!!!!  I agree completely.  FEAR NOT.

red lilac, I was thinking of making a study of this somehow.  Well, meaning I wonder if somebody has and I need to research it more.  If not, somebody should.  hehehe
Posted by: Sharon, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 1:30am; Reply: 28
Does anyone have a guess as to how long it takes for our gut bacteria to be fully populated? The first 24 hours of our lives? The first 48 hours of our lives? The first 3 days of our lives? Or maybe even the first hour of our life?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 1:46am; Reply: 29
Ryan might be able to answer that one...try his FB link
Posted by: Sharon, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 3:07am; Reply: 30
Thanks Lola. I just "friended" him on FB and will message him this question...
Posted by: cajun, Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:26pm; Reply: 31
I heard the 7 year change idea years ago, too! ??)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 12, 2011, 3:42pm; Reply: 32
;)
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