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Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:40pm
One thing I need to do some research on, and I figured I'd start here is this problem I have with Vitamin D.  OK, yeah, I probably don't get enough sun and I just read on a website that if you live North of Atlanta, you basically don't get enough sun to produce it in the winter months.  I'm not sure if that's completely right, but I do know this: My body is deficient in D, and furthermore, it has problems absorbing it.

How do I know?  Well, I've been taking supplements of D for a while, and I'm still defecient.  I take Cod liver oil every day, and the times I've tried to take a pill form of D3, I felt very very very fatigued.  And by the scientific method, it certainly was the D3.  Now, the other problem my body has dealt with is the absorption of fats.  For various reasons, I know I have this problem.  And that might just be the only reason I'm deficient in D.  Due to the fact that I believe it is said that the fat helps your body absorb the D.  

But, I don't know if there is any further or deeper reason that this may be happening.   Or if someone has some interesting theories on the malabsorption of D, besides sun and fats.  Or, if you've had similar experiences or problems, I'm all ears.

Thank you for your help!!!
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:41pm; Reply: 1
And Lola, I know what you're going to say, follow your swami and heal your gut.  Yes, I know.  I was just kind of wondering if there is a certain area I need to focus.  Like with foods or whatever.  You know, the more info the better.  IMHO.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:59pm; Reply: 2
I wonder if there's any kind of transdermal vitamin D that might work better for you than taking D orally. Would it work to rub cod liver oil on your skin instead of (or in addition to) ingesting it?
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:07pm; Reply: 3
How much D3 are you taking?  I take at least 5000 IUs a day.  For a month last summer, I was on prescription D...which I think is 50,000 units once a week.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:57pm; Reply: 4
you know me better than I do!!!! ;)
Posted by: Mark, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 9:00pm; Reply: 5
Follow a SWAMI and heal your gut. Lol, j/k.

Seriously, D3 is poorly absorbed in general. I think it is derived from sheep's wool.

Cod liver oil is definitely preferred by me, but I do not share your metabolic pathways. Look into sublingual D3, I guess.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 9:09pm; Reply: 6
I find the Vitamin D council to be the gold standard for D information but most people are taking
way too little D.

I took 10,000 iu for a long while and got my level up to 65.  I'm just someone who isn't afraid
of D toxicity.  I live in the Northeast and never get outside in the sun....Even in summer time, I
doubt I get 4 hours of sun per week.

When you say you're not absorbing it, how do you know this to be true?  You need a baseline
D blood test (and the Vitamin D council tells you which one that is), possibly a prescription for
D from a doctor, and retesting in 3 months.  If it doesn't go up even one point, then you have
issues with absorption....otherwise you're not taking taking enough D regularly to impact your D levels.

But of course, Lola is always right ...."Follow your SWAMI and heal your gut"...:)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 11:01pm; Reply: 7
Can you test the amount you have now and then concentrate on getting as much healthy sun as possible over the summer.

I now it seems like bad advice re skin cancer but i don't use sunscreen anymore, after the first 30 mins in the sun i put on wide brim hat. and olive oil. also generally carbs stop absorption of stuff, although not sure how that sits with AB's. also gentle exercise. eat less food, and drink less water and see how you get on.

I read a lot about this recently but forgot where i read it i read so much. also don't eat too late at night. and also to get good absorption try super food combining. literally eating one food at a time. the one with the highest water content first and of course swami. but i eat less fruit and less fibre. my levels are all good. Emily's are getting better by the day.

example; if we have an avoid like chips - we have them with nothing else, no protein.

if we are having green beans, lamb, and carrots. i eat the greens beans first, chewing to the extreme, carrots next and finally the protein. fruit only on a empty stomach. water only first thinkg in the morning and half an hour before meals or 3 hours after. and only 3 glasses including teas a day. the improvement in our health has been enlightening. the final piece in the jigsaw i think, perhaps one of the last.
Posted by: mikeo, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 2:42am; Reply: 8
vitamin K from green leafy vegetables with help absorption and essentials fatty acids
Posted by: Tom Martens, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:02am; Reply: 9
I think there is a magnesium/calcium-vitamin D ratio that if out of whack could be a problem.
As mentioned above, you could just need much more than you think to get your D levels up.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:53pm; Reply: 10
Hmmmmmm.....  Lots of things to think about.  When I got home from Mayo, one of the doctors gave me a prescription and it was like off the charts for each pill.  20,000 IU's each or something crazy.  And I took the prescription to my doctor that balances me out and they said it didn't muscle test well at all and I was really afraid to take it being such a large dose.  When I would take the D3 and feel lousy, it was a very small amount.  It was a cap that was 1000 IUs.  Then I would sometimes break it open, just to see if I could do a little and even amounts like 1/4 would make me feel terrible.  Very fatigued.  I suppose it could have been doing good and I felt awful.  I don't know.  

I just looked at the prescription of D that I got from the doctor at mayo.  It was 50,000 IU's in each pill.  I'm sorry, my body is too sensitive to do that and in light of how I can react to inputs, I thought it very unwise to even try.  And they are gel caps, and I thought about poking a pin in them and getting a little.  But even in that huge dose, I figured a plop on the tip of a needle might be way too much.  Now, I'll never know, but dang.

Strangely, I take a mineral supplement and it has 600 IUS of D3 in it and I don't feel like it has affected me.  But mind you, I never get 600 IU's because most of the time I've ground the multi up and taken about 1/16 of the pill.

My body seems like it has been in a mode where I just don't want too many supplements any longer.  I do eat very well, because it's been a huge focus.  There's always room for improvement in that area too, but I do pretty darn good.

I may need to do like policy checker said and just try and be in the sun more.

I'm pretty sure it is all related to the fact that I don't absorb fats well and my gut needs to be balanced.  I've been sincerely trying to do that with probiotics and cultured veggies, but it is a slow process.  I think it's getting better, but sometimes I wonder.  I do know this, overall I feel better than I did when all this junk started 4 years ago.  

Has any of you struggled with weight or digesting fats?  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:03pm; Reply: 11
What kind of "struggles with weight" are you talking about? Trying to gain weight (and maintain gains) or struggling to lose weight?
Posted by: Kristin, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 4:53pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from JJR

Has any of you struggled with weight or digesting fats?  

I have struggled with gaining weight and fat absorption and I noticed a big shift when I started taking HCl tablets to improve absorption of B12 from low stomach acid. It makes sense to me that if I was having trouble absorbing B12 from low stomach acid that I would have trouble absorbing/digesting other nutrients as well. Mineral absorption really increased too.

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 5:21pm; Reply: 13
Vitamin D and the thyroid... ;) connected.

Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 6:04pm; Reply: 14
a few other points of view.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 1:26pm; Reply: 15
Some supplements can jam up your system. I'm not sure about D3. Are mushrooms on your SWAMI? Some are a good food source. I have a SNP that has to do with D3 as well. The UVB lamp was a lifesaver over the winter. I am on D3 (prescribed) 2K/day -- pure encapsulations is the brand. Still, the UVB really put me over the top in the winter. Felt "sunshiney" afterwards. (sunny) No winter blahs this year.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 10:26pm; Reply: 16
OH DANG!!!  I remember your post before and I looked into buying one.  Oh, so many things to get.  It's probably a really good idea though.  That is  great idea.  My doctor uses pure encapsulations D3 also.  That's the one that makes me feel awful.  I should try it again sometime.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 10:32pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ruthiegirl
What kind of "struggles with weight" are you talking about? Trying to gain weight (and maintain gains) or struggling to lose weight?

Geez ruthie, I thought everyone knew I was skinny as a rail.  And struggling to not get even skinnier.  Part of the problem is the foods that put weight on you, I either eat NONE of, or very little of.  Grains are down to a minimum.  I don't eat sugar, basically at all, because I feel awful.  Oh wait, a small amount of organic chocolate every week.  Very small.  And a little bit of honey every day.  Maybe a teaspoon.  I should probably try and up that a little.  And fats are hard to digest.  I am trying to incorporate more animal proteins into my diet.  It has been a challenge as to when and how.  I never eat my (8) eggs a week though.  It's more like 6 or 7, so I should probably add 1 or 2 more in somewhere.  I just got a mayonnaise recipe from someone.  And I ate half a hard boiled egg right before I went to bed last night.  I also had one for breakfast.  I eat one every day for breakfast, except sometimes Sunday's I don't.

Anyways, yeah, I'm too skinny.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 10:52pm; Reply: 18
OK, I thought so, but the way you phrased it wasn't clear. I also "struggle with my weight"  but in a very different way, though I use the same phrasing. If only I could offer you some of my extra pounds!
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 10:54pm; Reply: 19
Follow SWAMI and heal the gut...  Oh, that has been said already... ;)  Do it anyway... ;D ;D  

I would go over on the ghee to heal the gut...  I can't tell you how much it has helped me, but I still don't feel like I get too much ghee - and I use up to 2 T. per day...  

Deflect, Polyflora, and Intrinsa are all great, too...
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 11:05pm; Reply: 20
more meat?

you can't have chicken, turkey is okay, lamb is okay? does cod count as meat? ;) I'm not so knowledgeable on the warrior front. swami does all that for us. I must become more knowledgeable on the geno diet. but the BTD is so simple.

may i ask what weight and what height you're ABJoe?

the general world advice would be to up your portions a bit, have you tried that? or do you think there is another reason?

I'll check back tomorrow. I'm shattered. been reading for about 10 hours today.
Posted by: DoS, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 11:53pm; Reply: 21
Vitamin D is turned into the active form in the kidneys...

Also how is your thyroid? Perhaps you should try some iodine tincture. It is doing wonders for me even though doctors tell me I have no problem. (they are useless)
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 2:03am; Reply: 22
I just got a thyroid supplement called thyatrophin from standard process.  I'm worried about taking it, how I'll feel, but it may be wise to.  Thank you for that!

Policy checker, I'm not Joe.  Hehehhehehehe  Unless you were wanting to know how tall he is.  I'm 5'7 and down to 122 approx.  It's too light, if you ask me.  But, I'm still kicking.
Posted by: brinyskysail, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 2:46am; Reply: 23
Do you know what your calcium level is?  If calcium is high, vitamin D will be low (it's all caused by feedbacks in the body).  Hyperparathyroid can cause both of those things to occur.  Hyperparathyroid is fairly uncommon though so I wouldn't freak out, but I would check your calcium level.
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