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Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, April 10, 2011, 2:01pm
So, we all know what foods are Super/Diamond -medicinal quality- or Beneficial..
and even some nutritional Neutrals for occasional uses to satisfy a craving.  Leaving out all black dots and avoids for when we are not in control of our own life.. hopefully never or only once a year.

So, we all eat super/diamonds and I think (personally) there are no restrictions on those, yet I wonder are there differences for foods WE HERE should know more about COMBINING .. like in Swami where there are some foods that might be eaten together and so add additional value..

IN MY Swami, beef MEAT is NOT Listed with anything.. so I have a choice of not mixing it with anything specific OR mixing it with every thing.

I am diabetic, so I have on interest in sugar spike issues, energy levels that before eating might be ok, but after eating I can fall asleep from faster then by the first commercial in any tv program...  

for you it might be heart, cholesterol, kidney issues and or any one of a hundred health conditions, and all could be helped by further understanding what else we can actively combine or avoid to combine.. by having a discussion what each of us finds to make a difference we will learn from each other..

We do get a list of all foods good for us, but it does not say WHEN to eat each of the food types, or WITH what other items..

I had developed indigestion, and where nuts where ok before, it seems to be better  if I don't eat them as often, (I am also taking sups) .. I am NOW seeing indigestion as on issue of the stomach not emptying into the intestinal tract, thus making me feel bloated higher up.. making some changes I feel that my upper tire is less so, and less uncomfortable, less pushing foods up into the upper parts -------

-Studies have shown that the opening in the diaphragm, where the esophagus connects with the stomach, acts as an additional sphincter around the lower part of the esophagus. Normally the hiatus and the lower esophageal sphincter (LES)--the muscle connecting the esophagus with the stomach--line up with each other to keep stomach contents from backing up into the esophagus. It is believed that a hiatal hernia can weaken the (LES) and cause reflux. The hiatal hernia results in the retention of acid and other stomach contents above the opening (hiatus) and can result in this being easily refluxed into the esophagus.

But now I am wondering which foods cause more gas, take longer to digest, be helped with spices to move evenly if not faster, cause more issues, and how to look at them in total not just in isolation..

I have all the food groups and the portions as in the books or Swami, but now I am looking to learn more about :  DO WE EAT THEM BEST each one for its own value or as part of all food values together,,  am I making clear what it is I am looking at  ...

for years I tried not to eat anything white.. not because its white, but often more sugary then I wish for.. so that leaves out beans, dairy and grains.. for O's that is easy.. but now that I am considering to add some of those I am wondering more about the why, when, and how. and I think I am not the only one looking at portions from askew (with questions and some concerns) ,, about specific combos''    

should I eat beans with meat, or better as a snack

should I eat a grain food with meat (meat and potato is a no-no) or by itself.

should I eat only a smidgen of olive oil or butter/ghee with cooking only

should I eat nut butters in place of nuts

I wish there was more clarity for all this.. thanks for reading this far..          
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, April 11, 2011, 5:51pm; Reply: 1
I can't have grains by themselves without a blood sugar spike/crash afterwards. I eat my small amounts of grains WITH protein and fat- generally a small amount of cooked rice mixed with lots of meat and veggies. Or sometimes rice cakes with mozzarella cheese melted on top. Too much cheese leads to nasal congestion, but that combination digests just fine and keeps my blood sugar stable.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Monday, April 11, 2011, 6:17pm; Reply: 2
I have thought all the above things as well Goldie. There lots of foods that I dont eat on my GH list, and the foods that I do eat which are actually more diamond foods, are not listed.

It would be nice to know more in depth about the individual foods.

Also - to have a general indication for how many carbs, fat and protein are good to eat in a given day. Percentages would help many people out. I am following the serving suggestions this week for the first time. Before I found myself eating way to much just because they were all diamonds. So now, I am following the recommended servings AND entering amounts eaten into my LOSE IT app to make sure I am eating enough or not too many calories.

So far with my measurements, I was WAY over my calorie consumption. It was no wonder I put on 5 pounds in two weeks!
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 2:57pm; Reply: 3
Protein powder and sugar spikes:: see below....

Well I never counted calories, and it does make a difference, but I also never ate more then was about right.. ( my friend used to eat 2 full menus) so finding a middle is most likely the right thing to do AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT HUNGRY... I eat way less now-a-day then I used to munch on, and still no weight loss-- or very little-- BUT ALSO NO GAIN-- a good thing.

BUT HERE goes one of the things that I think might make a ALL the difference--- I could not understand why drinking  O (egg) protein shake for breakfast was a good idea, because I liked my egg for that, but it was good to change for the last 2 month, just to break my habits.. I ate 2 eggs for 35 years..

so now at least I can have a break or make a "HABIT" choice.. that is a gooood thing..

Yet NOW I am actually wondering if I should not have the protein drink (for me a half portion in glass of hot water) in between meals WITH my fruit.. I am allowed fruit, but keeping to little portions is stressful-- yet with the protein drink at the same time to go with fruit, I might actually IMPROVE the sugar consumption by BALANCING it AGAINST a drinkable/ filling protein ---thus really making me content faster.. same with fruit juice..  

I also mix the cocoa powder with the proetein powder, so again a double whammy in EACH Beneficial making them actually a third food category by cynergistically mixing and strengthening each of the food values, without adding calories.  (and in my case reduce sugar spiking- a good thing)



Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 3:06pm; Reply: 4
Popaya.. better then mango..

I ate popaya for the first time yesterday.. it was not mushy like mango can be, and IT was much less sweet tasting.. so here is the question is popay a fruit full of (hidden) sugar, or more like a vegetable in relation to 'sugar' spikes.

how does the body distinguish between vegetable digestion as opposed to fruit digestion. ... Does one get eliminated through the liver while the other needs more insulin..  

would therefore one be better digested with spices, sharp or hot... to synergistically trigger the liver, gallbladder, pancreas, kidneys to kick in faster..

any guesses....   ??)
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 3:11pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Goldie
Leaving out all black diamonds and avoids ...

This should read black dot...
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 3:14pm; Reply: 6
RUTHIEGIRL!!!! I like the idea of rice cake pizza, with it all being BENEFICIAL!!!   

what else could we out on it to spice it up .. kosher is one consideration, but there are others, like you said,, the sinus is a big indicator of what works,,  I wonder what ORGAN is triggering the sinus.. I wonder if it is like th skin that covers the musus and skin -- another organ we pay so little attention to..

the skin gets rid of 1.5 quart per day of toxic material.. IF WE FEED it RIGHT then it could work half as hard.. hmmmm  interesting..  
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 3:16pm; Reply: 7
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ABJoe... I made the correction THANKS>>>
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, July 8, 2011, 7:26pm; Reply: 8
Are some diamonds better for health than others?
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, July 8, 2011, 7:35pm; Reply: 9
protein powder with fruit is a good combo......smoothie......can add chopped celery, lettuce also, like with papaya, pineapple,water, flaxseed.....etc ;).....just had one! (add a bit of fat too, evoo is fine) (oh, flaxseed is fat too)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:23pm; Reply: 10
My GH foods list doesn't list beef either.  It lists carabou and moose, neither of which I'm likely to encounter around here.  I just combine foods according to my instinct, by what my body wants, and I've learned by trial and error what works for me.  I don't eat grains now, except for rice which is a diamond, and I do ok on it.  It doesn't give me blood sugar issues, but I always eat it with protein and/or veggies.  If it's just veggies + rice, there is fat added as olive oil or ghee.  That is what works for ME, I have discovered.  A mozzarella cheese melt (pizza) on a rice cake sounds yummy.  But I could see myself going overboard on those.  I am a cheese fiend.  I don't get any beneficial cheese on swami, and only quark as a neutral.  All other cheeses are avoids or black dots.  Cheese/dairy makes me congested, too, but I don't seem to have digestion issues with it.  Not like grains.

One thing I try to be aware of is eating some kind of live food at every meal.  I don't always do that, but it is what I aim for.  If I eat eggs, for example, I always add veggies - and a lot of them.  I would never sit down to eat rice on its own.  Rice always accompanies a meal, and I try not to go over 3/4 cup per day cooked rice.  I thought that I would crave more rice, but I don't.  I find that combining rice in a meal with protein and/or veggies is the most satisfying for me.  Sort of a zone-type meal, I suppose.

I suppose we have to find what works for us through trial and error.  I pretty much ignore my genoharmonic recommendations because I don't have access to a lot of things on it.  And some combinations happen anyway, e.g., salmon & asparagus because I like that combination.  But salmon is only a neutral for me.  Rabbit and asparagus would be a diamond combination, but I don't eat rabbit and they don't sell it in my grocery store.  I'm glad to find what diamonds I can, and I think I'm doing well to avoid the avoids at this point, and eat as many diamond LIVE foods as I can get into a day.

I hope my rambling is of some use.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, July 11, 2011, 9:37am; Reply: 11
I liked your suggestion of using protein powder with vegetable juices.. or in a blender.. never tried that before..

I have cut the meat consumption to 3 oz for some time now, and find it is ok with the veggetables allowed.  but I can see where some rice might be nice or some beans for some meals where I want a change might be ok.. I am grainfree otherwise.. and really dont miss it.. dairy I can have some but it does not take long for it to kick back.. making my own rice patties.. like a hamburger, adding stuff for a cheese pizza might be fun some day..  
Posted by: Kim, Monday, July 11, 2011, 1:19pm; Reply: 12
I can eat a tiny amount of quinoa and get away with it as long as I don't eat it everyday.  Rice causes weight gain and pain everywhere.  I am hoping that the insulin resistance resolves at some point.  I love brown and wild rice which are beneficials for me.  

Mixing the grains with protein or veggies does not change the outcome for me.  It just packs on the pounds.
Posted by: EquiPro, Monday, July 11, 2011, 1:24pm; Reply: 13
I have personally found that eating black beans with meat (specifically turkey)is a super-duper power meal for me.  I usually refry the black beans with olive oil, onions and curry powder.  I cook ground turkey with curry powder and cinnamon.  I put about 1/2 cup of the refried beans into a bowl and put the turkey on top.  I then put some chopped romaine and tomatoes on top of that, throw on some olive oil and lime juice (as Swami recommends lime juice w. turkey) and some salt.  

I don't know about any theories, but this meal is nothing short of amazing for me:  filling, long-lasting, craving-quelling.  The results say to me that this particular combination, for my body, is an extremely good one.  If I leave out any of the ingredients (I ran out of romaine, for instance), I can tell the difference.

I eat this nearly every day for breakfast and I don't even think about food for 5 or 6 hours.

Perhaps just trial and error, with a real monitoring of the personal results is a good way to go.
Posted by: Kim, Monday, July 11, 2011, 1:28pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from EquiPro
I have personally found that eating black beans with meat (specifically turkey)is a super-duper power meal for me.  I usually refry the black beans with olive oil, onions and curry powder.  I cook ground turkey with curry powder and cinnamon.  I put about 1/2 cup of the refried beans into a bowl and put the turkey on top.  I then put some chopped romaine and tomatoes on top of that, throw on some olive oil and lime juice (as Swami recommends lime juice w. turkey) and some salt.  

I don't know about any theories, but this meal is nothing short of amazing for me:  filling, long-lasting, craving-quelling.  The results say to me that this particular combination, for my body, is an extremely good one.  If I leave out any of the ingredients (I ran out of romaine, for instance), I can tell the difference.

I eat this nearly every day for breakfast and I don't even think about food for 5 or 6 hours.

Perhaps just trial and error, with a real monitoring of the personal results is a good way to go.


That sounds delish!!  Adding this to my recipes.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, July 11, 2011, 1:53pm; Reply: 15
Equi Pro, that does sound good, kind of like a taco salad without the corn.

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Perhaps just trial and error, with a real monitoring of the personal results is a good way to go.


Yep!
Posted by: O in Virginia, Monday, July 11, 2011, 11:12pm; Reply: 16
Hey, EquiPro, I made your recipe for dinner this evening, but no beans in mine.  It was really good.  I sauteed some onion in olive oil, added ground turkey, a spice mix of chili powder, ground cumin, oregano + sea salt, and let all that brown & get "happy" as Emeril says.  I spooned it over a bed of chopped lettuce, added chopped tomatoes on top, and a spoonful of guacamole.  Yum!  Tks for the recommendation.  That was a tasty treat.  :)
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