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Posted by: Lin, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 3:35pm
Another post on caffeine sensitivity made me think a bit more about the definition of being caffeine sensitive for Swami Questionnaire purposes.
If as in my situation you were not caffeine sensitive but now after being on swami diet and also past menopause find things have changed. I used to be able to drink lots of black tea, and since being on the blood type/swami diets I've been drinking green tea and teas that naturally are caffeine free. I think my body has perhaps adjusted to the changes and also perhaps my age is a factor? But I now find if I have a black tea late afternoon/early evening it messes up my sleep and seems to wire me up a little.  
:-/Should I consider myself sensitive for Swami?
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 6:31pm; Reply: 1
I would think so.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:32pm; Reply: 2
oh my the amounts of coffee I used to drink...cannot do it now at 63....no way!
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:39pm; Reply: 3
It's not like I was ever a major coffee drinker, but the older I got, the less I tolerated anything that upset my nervous system.  It's not like I've ever loved coffee but I used to drink it in my younger
years....and noticed the older I got, even decaf coffee would disrupt my sleep.  I told SWAMI I
was caffeine sensitive because even chocolate will make me feel wired.

I drink many cups of green tea per day and none are decaffeinated.  Theanine found in green tea
is calming to the nervous system.  I can drink green tea before bed and sleep well.  But coffee
and chocolate, no.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:39pm; Reply: 4
Quoted Text
I now find if I have a black tea late afternoon/early evening it messes up my sleep and seems to wire me up a little.


how does that rate for you in swami?
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:46pm; Reply: 5
Lola,
Good question it does have a black dot.  So I suppose that might be a clue.

Chloe, I can related exactly to the comment you made about drinking many cups of green tea per day, none decaffeinated. That is what was throwing me off. Didn't realise that Theanine in green tea is calming to the nervous system, which is exactly what I needed and may explain my overall calmer feeling with the switch to green.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 8:07pm; Reply: 6
also  yerba mate' as has been mentioned on the numerous threads relating to caffeine. It doesn't cause a problem.
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 8:35pm; Reply: 7
thanks for verba mata suggestion, I did try it a while back and didn't really take to it back then but perhaps should give it another try.
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, April 8, 2011, 6:06am; Reply: 8
ym doesn't really taste that good, so boost it up with something like cocoa....but do give it a chance.
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, April 10, 2011, 1:28am; Reply: 9
I am sensitive to the caffeine in green tea. I can only drink one cup in the morning. If I drink it later, I am unable to sleep.
Posted by: Kim, Sunday, April 10, 2011, 12:41pm; Reply: 10
Drinking too much coffe doesn't keep me up, but it upsets my stomach.  I have to stay around two cups only per day.  I actually get nauseous if I go over that.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, April 10, 2011, 5:36pm; Reply: 11
I think Dr. D only recommends a couple of cups a day, anyway.
Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, November 1, 2012, 5:21pm; Reply: 12
For some reason now caffeine effects me even more, but in a different way.  Now it does not make me irritable but instead delays the time it takes for me to fall asleep, even if drank earlier in the day.  Last night i could not sleep until 4:30 am!!!  I drank 2 cups of coffee in the AM and one can of sweetened black tea in the PM about 7.

It used to not effect my sleep that much and do not understand why it does now.  
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, November 1, 2012, 7:01pm; Reply: 13
Mr T used to be able to drink tons of coffee & be able to sleep fine, but I see in retrospect that it made him irritable.  Later in life it gave him headaches if he had too much.
He drinks tea a home with no apparent problems.
When we travel, he can have a large coffee from a fast food place OK, but if he has it a 2nd day, he gets crabby.  I wonder if all these years & all the folks who have problems that maybe coffee drinking has a lot to do with the irritability & angriness.

I don't like the taste of coffee & am sensitive to caffeine, but I kind of envy the folks who drink it & can be alert & have mental clarity. I only have good mental clarity certain times of day, like morning & early evening.  I have also have better clarity if I drink the unsweetened chocolate powder in water(black chocolate instead of black tea).  
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, November 1, 2012, 7:14pm; Reply: 14
I felt the changes up from  2006... here the biig brake swapped over me... :-/ :o :B :P
Posted by: purlgirl, Thursday, November 1, 2012, 7:55pm; Reply: 15
Caffeine Sensitivity later in life?    Yes!
I do think aging and hormone changes are part of the problem  

Caffeine was never good for me but I didn't have such strong reactions when young.

I drink green tea but never on an empty stomach.

Now any kind of caffeine on empty stomach makes me very sick and dizzy.

I'm fortunate that I don't crave caffeine. Coffee & black tea are avoids for me.

Sometimes out with friends I'll have a cup of coffee - usually diluted with hot water and always with cream or preferably soy milk.

I do crave hot drinks - so Hot Lemon water or just hot water are nice.
Posted by: purlgirl, Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:54am; Reply: 16
one more thought about coffee/caffeine

There is this Italian Cafe here - real imported Italian Coffee. For some reason I can drink 1 cup with cream and not suffer terribly.  :o
When the Italian cafe opened they had an article in the paper:

   "...Then there's the coffee ... uses Illy Coffee which is not bleached like most coffee beans, as well as Neapolitan coffee...."

So maybe there is a lot of stuff going on here. No way could I drink more than 1 cup on a rare special occasion. But it was good an I could tell it wasn't as bad as most coffee
Posted by: JJR, Friday, November 2, 2012, 6:08pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Amazone I.
I felt the changes up from  2006... here the biig brake swapped over me... :-/ :o :B :P


What a coincidence!  Same for me.  I used to be a two latte a day person.  Sometimes one of them would be a double.  About then I quit.  Heart Arrhythmia's.  Plus I think I had lymes that whole time and I was starting to crash from it.  And I'm sure that had an impact.  But having said all that, I know I have explorer traits, so, caffeine is just not the best for me.  
Posted by: 23340 (Guest), Friday, November 2, 2012, 10:24pm; Reply: 18
Coffee is, I believe...only beneficial for people of the A Blood type, for the rest it is too a degree harmful, apparently people of the A or AB Blood types have already high adrenal levels.

This can cause the adrenal glands to be drained as caffeine stimulates the glands to excrete adrenaline. - After excessive and longterm use however.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:10pm; Reply: 19
another :K) to JJR for helping me not to feel too lonely here ;) ;D ...(ok)(smarty)
but must be honest I always felt better in drinking  tea-  nearly any kind of tea but no café..... :-/ :P :( ...and yup I loved once upon the times ...*café -intake*.. :B
and also in all my testst..... teas are fine with me ...(hehe)(dance)(smarty)

btw... we are familiar ;) ;D...I'm a bloody explomade ....(evil)(evil)(shhh)(smarty)
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, November 3, 2012, 7:42pm; Reply: 20
No problem.  You are not alone.  And yeah, explomade.  For me, a little teacher thrown in.  But warrior?  Not here.  I don't think.  Too small, too thin, too meat eating.  I think both my Sister and her husband are somewhat Warriors though.  For sure my sister.  She never liked meat and loved her veggies.  They're both A's.  

I know I have adrenal issues.  I probably burnt them out with too much caffeine, lack of sleep, and stress up to my eyeballs.  And a bad diet on top of all of that.  
Posted by: Adopted4, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 2:10am; Reply: 21
Another theory here about weak adrenals is that some individuals are born with the tendency to have adrenal fatigue. It stems from the mother having tired or weak adrenals during pregnancy and is therefore passed on to the fetus. I visited a holistic doctor several years ago when I was experiencing a lot of colds, sinus congestion, and fatigue (and not on the blood type diet). He came up with that theory when he researched my family history and I told him I was the 5th child born in a 6-year period (what mom wouldn't be exhausted under those circumstances). I'm not sure how accurate the science is behind that theory, but I think it's got validity. I've always gotten tired easier than most people I've known and I often like to nap even when my sleep is adequate. Of course, now, eating right for my type makes me feel much better throughout the day even though I still enjoy a brief cessation of activities around mid-afternoon to recharge my batteries to get through the evening feeling well.

JJR, I"m a  very close, even mixture of Warrior/Teacher and I've been generally pretty thin all my life, as well as a big meat eater until I learned better. I wouldn't rule out Warrior tendencies based on thinness and a desire to eat meat. But being a small male sounds like a Nomad or Teacher tendency. Did you do the Meyers-Briggs personality test because entering your results could give you a good idea what your genotype is if your measurements are inconsistent? My genotype changed from Warrior to Teacher only after I entered my MB results.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, November 4, 2012, 6:14am; Reply: 22
Quoted Text
This can cause the adrenal glands to be drained as caffeine stimulates the glands to excrete adrenaline. - After excessive and longterm use however.


plus mimic an insulin resistance issue ::)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, November 4, 2012, 10:10am; Reply: 23
JJR a little help for your adrenals...;) ;D go for wild yam intake and largest amounts of vit. C....(pray)(bunny)
Posted by: JJR, Monday, November 5, 2012, 6:14pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Adopted4
Another theory here about weak adrenals is that some individuals are born with the tendency to have adrenal fatigue. It stems from the mother having tired or weak adrenals during pregnancy and is therefore passed on to the fetus. I visited a holistic doctor several years ago when I was experiencing a lot of colds, sinus congestion, and fatigue (and not on the blood type diet). He came up with that theory when he researched my family history and I told him I was the 5th child born in a 6-year period (what mom wouldn't be exhausted under those circumstances). I'm not sure how accurate the science is behind that theory, but I think it's got validity. I've always gotten tired easier than most people I've known and I often like to nap even when my sleep is adequate. Of course, now, eating right for my type makes me feel much better throughout the day even though I still enjoy a brief cessation of activities around mid-afternoon to recharge my batteries to get through the evening feeling well.

JJR, I"m a  very close, even mixture of Warrior/Teacher and I've been generally pretty thin all my life, as well as a big meat eater until I learned better. I wouldn't rule out Warrior tendencies based on thinness and a desire to eat meat. But being a small male sounds like a Nomad or Teacher tendency. Did you do the Meyers-Briggs personality test because entering your results could give you a good idea what your genotype is if your measurements are inconsistent? My genotype changed from Warrior to Teacher only after I entered my MB results.



I've come to this conclusion through all my reading of the books, measurements, swami, medical testing and what not.  I fit the warrior description least out of all the ones I can be.  It's just that simple. My swami has me eating red meat 4-5x a week.  That's not warrior like at all.  And I felt better and have gotten stronger when I added red meat back in.  Because I had avoided it for a good while.  I had a thread where my cholesterol went down a bunch, even after eating red meat more than I have in years. I didn't really mean to get into all that here.  It's not really pertinent.  So, I digress.

Yeah, I should test myself for C.  I'm a little more stuffy the last couple of days too.  And a little sluggish.  I think it's the season and I've been under a little bit more stress lately.  Nothing horrible, but I think it has an impact.  
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, November 5, 2012, 9:22pm; Reply: 25
It has to do with acetylation, in those with slow acetylation, caffeine will increase blood pressure and heart rate for awhile, and will give you tunnel vision, then a few hours later you are hungry and tingly.  Caffeine effects blood pressure, release of insulin, and releases stress hormones.

I have been caffeine free 4 days now and my resting heart rate is around 60 instead of 90!  

JJR explorers can be any blood type and red meat is not a problem for them, and is actually needed to prevent anemia and provide good long lasting energy with no crash.
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 6:28pm; Reply: 26
Agreed on all accounts.  

I've been caffeine free for over 5 years now.  I'm pretty sure it has helped me a great deal.  I have low blood pressure.  Kind of the opposite affect, but it's better than high, imho.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 8:58pm; Reply: 27
:o(goofy)(smarty)(ok)(clap)(scared)(dance)(shrug)(hehe)and yup congrats ....
Posted by: Lin, Monday, November 12, 2012, 10:52am; Reply: 28
Easy E, thanks for reminder on caffeine and sugar release.  
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, November 12, 2012, 7:29pm; Reply: 29
It's funny but I was always sensitive to caffeine....Been drinking one cup of regular coffee at lunchtime
with absolutely no negative effects at all.  So although I was caffeine sensitive most of my life, right
now, I don't seem to be. Of course, I don't think I"ll try drinking regular coffee right before bed, but
it used to be where a morning cup of coffee made me feel shaky.  Now I don't even notice any effects of caffeine at all.  Wonder why this happened.  I don't even get a withdrawal headache if I drink coffee
one day and not the next.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, November 15, 2012, 2:16am; Reply: 30
You're probably just more healthy now and able to stand it better.
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, November 16, 2012, 9:42pm; Reply: 31
I read in other places that caffeine is beneficial to health, even if someone is more sensitive to it if they are in good health.  It benefits the liver, the heart, the mind, and the muscles.  Seems like caffeine is a paradoxical substance.

I suppose moderation is the key, and everyone has a different definition of moderation for them when it comes to caffeine.  
Posted by: san j, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 1:03am; Reply: 32
Quoted from Easy E
I read in other places that caffeine is beneficial to health, even if someone is more sensitive to it if they are in good health.  It benefits the liver, the heart, the mind, and the muscles.  Seems like caffeine is a paradoxical substance.

I suppose moderation is the key, and everyone has a different definition of moderation for them when it comes to caffeine.  

I do well with it.
I'm grateful for it.

Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 5:34pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Lola


plus mimic an insulin resistance issue ::)


This is interesting. I am going to be honest here... in my younger days, I lived on caffeine pills and diet coke. I truly think that my body was suffering from adrenal fatigue.

I wonder how much caffeine is ok? Isnt there research saying that it does have some positive effects?

please do not judge:)
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 5:36pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from san j

I do well with it.
I'm grateful for it.



I am with you. I seem to be ok if I have a little caffeine in the am, but after that I feel jittery if I have it in the afternoon.

Posted by: san j, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 7:18pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from marjorie


I am with you. I seem to be ok if I have a little caffeine in the am, but after that I feel jittery if I have it in the afternoon.



Occasionally now I take a cup of tea at "teatime", too, medicinally, as it were, if I'm fading...

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 7:59pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from marjorie
I am going to be honest here... in my younger days, I lived on caffeine pills and diet coke. I truly think that my body was suffering from adrenal fatigue.

please do not judge:)

I think we all did things that we didn't know were doing us big hurts before knowing better... :o   ::)  

Anyone who hasn't probably isn't trying to get better... ;)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 9:24pm; Reply: 37
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10419909

Why not? here is a study that shows that gluten sensitivity can increase over time.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 9:31pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10419909

Why not? here is a study that shows that gluten sensitivity can increase over time.



Maybe it's me but we're discussing caffeine and I was wondering the relevancy of your link
to a gluten study. Is it related to caffeine ??)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 11:21pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Chloe



Maybe it's me but we're discussing caffeine and I was wondering the relevancy of your link
to a gluten study. Is it related to caffeine ??)


I think Andrea's point is, if gluten sensitivity can increase as we get older, it's possibly a common thing for caffeine sensitivity to increase later in life, also.  Maybe not related, but thoughtful ponderings anyway.
Posted by: marjorie, Saturday, November 17, 2012, 11:47pm; Reply: 40
Anything can increase over time IMO.

We as individuals increase in time:) it is called the aging process.

TY Victoria for the clarification, and I do believe Andrea was trying to suggest what you noted above.

I hope my wrinkles decrease as I get older!!!
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 10:36pm; Reply: 41
Allergies too.  It might be that we had a problem with them our whole life, but the symptoms were not that significant as a younger person.  And then later in life, BAM.

I know this, I used to work on cars and love cars and would be around lots of chemicals.  If I did that now, I'd be in trouble.  One summer recently, two guys gave me rides in old cars they were fixing up (2 different situations).  Both of them stunk like either exhaust or something.  I got a sore throat for almost a week after each ride.  It was only a few minute ride.  I don't recall those types of things when I was younger.  

I have lyme disease though, and I think it makes things worse to a degree.  But as we get older, these things can happen.  
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, November 29, 2012, 1:42am; Reply: 42
That reminds me that those of my age grew up in a culture where it seems the majority of adults smoked. My mother did. Also public buses/trains allowed smoking. I have taken smoky Greyhound buses that some of you younger folks would be disgusted with. Breathing the smoke was considered normal, but I didn't like that it permeated my coat!
All that smoke didn't bother me, but now, even smoke on the clothes of a person can cause me to cough. Certain brands do & others don't. Perfumes bother me, as do other odors, but not all of them. Maybe geting old does that or we are detoxing & react more.
Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, November 29, 2012, 4:14pm; Reply: 43
I noticed after getting physically more fit that caffeine effects me far more and in a different way than before i started cycling.  

Before caffeine would rattle me and make me irritable and then my blood sugar would crash.  Yet i would fall asleep rather easy and crash.

Now caffeine does not rattle me really, and my blood sugar does not feel like it crashes, yet if i drink even a tea, much less a coffee, in the afternoon, i will not fall asleep until 2 or 3 am it feels like.  Why this is the case, i cannot really understand.

I thought the cycling was causing me to not sleep, but now when i get to ride my bike, i knock out after a good ride.  In fact it was a different reaction to caffeine (probably my liver being cleaner) causing it.  

My wife says it is because i am in my 30's now, but i do not believe that!  I think it is because my system is cleaner and works better now.  

My energy levels are far better now when i can ride on days i do not work my 12 hour shifts, i feel calmer with a stable mood, and caffeine seems to effect me in a very different way now.  If i drink a coffee, it has to be first thing in the am for it to burn off during the day so i can sleep before 2 am!.  

I also started using milk thistle again, which seems to help with toxins, perfumes, esp house cleaners, smoke and exhuast, etc. as does being in better shape.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, November 29, 2012, 11:56pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Victoria


I think Andrea's point is, if gluten sensitivity can increase as we get older, it's possibly a common thing for caffeine sensitivity to increase later in life, also.  Maybe not related, but thoughtful ponderings anyway.



Yup look deeper at things and you will be surprised what you can find.
  So to me it is quite relevant to discuss any sensitivity in the body can increase or appear over time.

Often our bodies have had enough-- mine just recently decided it would give me eczema. I am 49 years old never had it in my life eat a great diet and here it is rearing its ugly head all over my neck.

Thanks for Dr. D is all I can say.




Posted by: Victoria, Friday, November 30, 2012, 3:26am; Reply: 45
Quoted from Andrea AWsec



Yup look deeper at things and you will be surprised what you can find.
  So to me it is quite relevant to discuss any sensitivity in the body can increase or appear over time.

Often our bodies have had enough-- mine just recently decided it would give me eczema. I am 49 years old never had it in my life eat a great diet and here it is rearing its ugly head all over my neck.

Thanks for Dr. D is all I can say.


Even with a nearly perfect diet, stress can trigger all kinds of strange outbursts on and in our bodies.  It's easy to forget this because we are so used to being responsible, productive, helpful, supportive, etc . . to other people. Sometimes our own dear bodies are telling us that the stress is over the top.   :K)
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