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Posted by: Luana, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 11:38pm
I was curious about people's habits in drinking water.  I am suppose to be drinking 6-8 glasses per day (8 oz. glasses) (1.5 - 2 litres).  However, I am finding I spend a lot of time going to the washroom and find it difficult to fit in drinking other beverages to get those 6-8 glasses per day.   I only weigh 96 pounds, so I guess 6-8 is quite a lot I would think.  However, I am dealing with inflammatory issues and doing an elimination diet at the moment plus I am excercising more.

I'd love to hear what you have to say and what you know on this subject.
Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 11:55pm; Reply: 1
1/2 your weight in ounces of water a day, is all you need.  So 6- 8 oz cups, would be good for you.  If you are adding lemon to it, you can also count it in those 6 cups.  Tea w/o sweeteners or dairy, also count. It is also important, to drink before, and during and after physical exercise. You sweat, you need more H2O.
Posted by: Luana, Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:03am; Reply: 2
Thanks geminisue for the facts on tea and lemon and water.  That will help a lot.
Posted by: Karma, Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:11am; Reply: 3
Someone once told me that you can actually "dehydrate" yourself if you drink too much water. I don't know how this works though.
Posted by: greenman, Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:47am; Reply: 4
try to sip the water intermittently and not gulp it. this is far better for you, becomes a habit, and also less wash room visits
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:28am; Reply: 5
I enjoy adding sea salt into my drinking water......works like electrolytes, bringing water inside the cell

check out hytrax
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044
Posted by: Drea, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:38am; Reply: 6
I drink my water with lemon juice and sea salt, as well. I find I can drink a lot more water this way.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:57am; Reply: 7
I don't drink enough as I live in the desert. I am working on that! ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 11, 2011, 3:01am; Reply: 8
I've always drunk a large quantity of water.  Most days, I am up around a gallon in order to not feel dry...  I've had a practitioner tell me that I am probably borderline diabetic since I need so much water, but I still attribute it to having eaten so much corn, which messes with insulin usage in my type of person.  Once I finish recovering from my early diet, I expect the water usage to drop some, but we'll have to wait to see how that plays out.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 11, 2011, 4:14am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Karma
Someone once told me that you can actually "dehydrate" yourself if you drink too much water. I don't know how this works though.

I believe this would be due to flushing too much of either potassium or sodium (electrolytes) out of the body.  There needs to be a balance between potassium and sodium to control the water flow in and out of the cells.  If you get low on potassium, the cells will dehydrate internally because there isn't adequate potassium to pull water into the cell from the bloodstream.  If you get low sodium, the cells won't be able to push waste out into the bloodstream.   ::)

Grapefruit juice is the best remedy (for me) to restore electrolyte balance when I get into a drank too little, drank too much, cycle and not absorbing the water...  I usually have the most problems of this type when the weather is changing rapidly from hot and dry to cool and moist; or when in a traveling induced weather change... ;)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, March 11, 2011, 11:56am; Reply: 10
I have been reading on this subject recently.

It appears that the advice for drinking 6-8 glasses of water forgot to mention that that includes all water in fruit, vegetables, soups and even milk.

so if you eat normally you probably only need a little as 3 glasses of water in addition to what you eat.

if you have a bloated stomach and go to the toilet to often this can be caused by too much water.

if you drink coffee, sodas and eat a lot of fibre, then you will have to drink more as these cause you to expel more water.

Main source - "The Fibre Menace."

I have been doing this for the last week and feel pretty good so far. I have been drinking cups of teas in stead of mugs, one cup instead of two mugs etc.

no cereals, eating cooked breakfast instead. Emily is doing the same although as a precaution she gets one bowl of porridge a week, stopped rice puffs and other cereals.

the result is less craving for sugar interestingly.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:26pm; Reply: 11
So averages = 1.4 - 1.7 litres in total per day including all sources, you also get another 1/2 a litre from oxidation. You need more water if you exercise/sweat alot. plus if you have a medical condition, your needs may increase, if you are breastfeeding you need to drink more - equal to the amount the your produce roughly.

so there you have it, I have been drinking way to much water, and way, way to much fibre.

my stomach is looking better already, after a week.

50-70 % of meat is water.
75-96 % of fruit and veg is water.

85-99% of other drinks is water, Milk, Beer, wine sauces, colas, & soups etc.

Posted by: Goldie, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:40pm; Reply: 12
what is water..but I get 6 galsses down by drinking it in tea and add it to everything - to reduce calories / sugar .. but water.. not if I can help it..  I voted I dont drink water.. ::)  
Posted by: Drea, Friday, March 11, 2011, 2:19pm; Reply: 13
Once again, every one is different (no one size fits all!). I live in the high desert @ 5600 feet elevation, and find in the winter I need to drink at least 2 liters of water -- in addition to any other "food water" I might be getting, and in the summer, at least 4 liters. I've done a lot of testing on my own body (don't you love being a guinea pig?) and this is just what works for me. I don't drink much else in terms of liquids, though; no soda, little fruit juice, not much tea, etc.
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, March 11, 2011, 4:32pm; Reply: 14
I put it varies every day.  I sip water all day long.  If I feel thirsty, then I drink more, if not less.  I drink 4 green tea bags in a 16 oz glass bottle a day so that is ½ my weight allowance there.  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 11, 2011, 5:16pm; Reply: 15
It varies each day, but it's probably over 2 liters most days, and easily double that in the summertime. My intake of plain, boring water may not be all that high, but once you count in the green, rooibos, and yerba mate tea, lemon juice in water, grapefruit juice in water, I get plenty.
Posted by: Luana, Friday, March 11, 2011, 6:00pm; Reply: 16
Wow, that's a lot of information about water intake - not just plain water.  Maybe I won't stress so much about it then and just listen to my body and drink at least a litre of pure water a day which I believe I do usually.  In the morning when I wake up I have two glasses waiting for me before breakfast.  Then I have a smoothie with more water.  Then I add rice milk to my cereal.  Then mid morning I have a tea usually.  Before lunch I may have water.  In the afternoon I drink 2 glasses of water or maybe a tea.  Plus I eat 3 fruit at least a day.  No wonder I have to use the washroom all the time.  I'll try sipping my water as suggested instead of drinking it all at once.
Posted by: eva b., Friday, March 11, 2011, 9:03pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
I have been reading on this subject recently.

It appears that the advice for drinking 6-8 glasses of water forgot to mention that that includes all water in fruit, vegetables, soups and even milk.

so if you eat normally you probably only need a little as 3 glasses of water in addition to what you eat.

if you have a bloated stomach and go to the toilet to often this can be caused by too much water.

if you drink coffee, sodas and eat a lot of fibre, then you will have to drink more as these cause you to expel more water.

Main source - "The Fibre Menace."

I have been doing this for the last week and feel pretty good so far. I have been drinking cups of teas in stead of mugs, one cup instead of two mugs etc.

no cereals, eating cooked breakfast instead. Emily is doing the same although as a precaution she gets one bowl of porridge a week, stopped rice puffs and other cereals.

the result is less craving for sugar interestingly.


this was a real "light bulb" moment for me...I've been really working hard very hard to drink more water, thinking I should because everyone says so, up to 8-10 glasses a day...and I only weight 92lbs.  No wonder my stomach is bloated in spite of the rest of me being skeletally thin...I can actually feel and hear it swishing around inside sometimes.

And the fibre issue is the same for me too - I suspect I eat far too much - crave it in fact.  I'm going to try cutting that down as well.

Gosh, this is so hard - and I have to confess I feel awfully deprived and miserable....food is one of the few pleasures in my life!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, March 11, 2011, 9:05pm; Reply: 18
it's only hard becasue you are eating too much fibre and too much water, after just one week i crave much less and feel great, you will too.
Posted by: Patrick H, Friday, March 11, 2011, 9:16pm; Reply: 19
@eva: Exercise (sprint preferably) to clear excess catecholamines. This will increase insulin sensitivity. Afterwards, have some baking soda in solution to detox the cell and neutralize lactic acid. You won't be hungry in a long time.

This, along with the low FODMAP/fiber that PC recommends, will go a very long way.
Posted by: eva b., Friday, March 11, 2011, 9:23pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Patrick H
@eva: Exercise (sprint preferably) to clear excess catecholamines. This will increase insulin sensitivity. Afterwards, have some baking soda in solution to detox the cell and neutralize lactic acid. You won't be hungry in a long time.

This, along with the low FODMAP/fiber that PC recommends, will go a very long way.


sprint?!!!!  you are having a laugh, I assume
sorry, you're not to know that I'm 64, seriously underweight, have osteoarthritis and osteoporosis, and can just about manage a sedate walk of half an hour twice a day.  And that wears me out - my legs really ache afterwards.

If only I could exercise properly.....

Posted by: 13720 (Guest), Friday, March 11, 2011, 10:23pm; Reply: 21
doing research on kangen alkaline water and for your body to run at full capacity depending on health or sickness and obesity, 1/2 your body weight in ounces if your healthy... unhealthy needs more water...and overweight also.. example 200 pound person will drink 100 oz if healthy.. up to 200oz if sickly, overweight or cancer.. you dont just start drinking the water by the gallon, you work up to it.. Its amazing water,
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, March 11, 2011, 10:53pm; Reply: 22
Misty that website sell very sales orientated, tell us a bit about yourself prior to just advertising something please.

also why do you think you should drink more water if your sick?
Posted by: Patrick H, Saturday, March 12, 2011, 9:57pm; Reply: 23
Woops, sorry sweetheart. Check out the "power plate." I don't own one, but you may find benefit.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Monday, March 14, 2011, 3:10am; Reply: 24
I had a doctor tell a friend of mine who weighs 189 lbs (5'7) that 80 ounces of water/day was ruining her bladder. i think this is ridiculous! Anyone else??? I think 80 ounces of water should be great for her body and for weight loss!
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 14, 2011, 4:11am; Reply: 25
Quoted from ABJoe

I believe this would be due to flushing too much of either potassium or sodium (electrolytes) out of the body.  There needs to be a balance between potassium and sodium to control the water flow in and out of the cells.  If you get low on potassium, the cells will dehydrate internally because there isn't adequate potassium to pull water into the cell from the bloodstream.  If you get low sodium, the cells won't be able to push waste out into the bloodstream.   ::)

Grapefruit juice is the best remedy (for me) to restore electrolyte balance when I get into a drank too little, drank too much, cycle and not absorbing the water...  I usually have the most problems of this type when the weather is changing rapidly from hot and dry to cool and moist; or when in a traveling induced weather change... ;)

Thank you.  I needed to hear this.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, March 14, 2011, 5:50am; Reply: 26
yup,
best is half your body weight in ounces of water
Posted by: Possum, Monday, March 14, 2011, 8:59am; Reply: 27
I love drinking water especially at work (talking a lot to customers makes you thirsty) & I get through 3 litres in just water easily...& another litre for hot drinks in the evening...
Lately I've been aware that if there is a big EQ & water is hard to get in quantity, I'm nervous as I don't want to be dependent on it... :-/ Can't imagine how all those ppl in Japan are coping :o
Who knows, maybe I am drinking too much anyway & upsetting my potassium/sodium balance ??) :-/
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, March 14, 2011, 10:21am; Reply: 28
In my second week of going a BIT easier on the water front, and eating less cereal (fibre) seems to be working well.

For the record and completeness. I eat lots of vegetables, soups, stews, a bit of fruit, and a pretty healthy diet, very few if any prepared meals, no tins, no dairy, I will admit to having a weakness for sweets, but this is much less now.

I no longer have a bloated stomach, i no longer have to pee all the time and i feel a little bit more positive.

so all i ask is that you think about the amount of water and cereal fibre that you eat.

someone said tha 80 oz of water shouldn't be a problem, well that's 10 glasses unless they are in a hot country of course. i now have about 1 glass of seltzer,  2 glass filtered water, +2 cups of tea a day. if i feel thirsty i have additional water, yesterday that was an extra glass. but I'm still drinking maybe 5 glasses less than i used to, maybe more.
Posted by: Lizzie, Monday, March 14, 2011, 12:10pm; Reply: 29
Just started reading this thread - what's with the baking soda and where can I read about the fibre?
Thanks.
Posted by: Whimsical, Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:42pm; Reply: 30
With patients I start with a guideline of 1/2 ounce per pound of body weight and then adjust depending on their specific health concerns, how much coffee/tea/soda they drink, how much exercise they are doing, and what they are currently drinking.

I've found that people initially have an adjustment period when they increase water intake during which they have to urinate more often, or may feel the water goes right through them, but this usually regulates itself within a few weeks.  

However, there are some patients who drink lots and yet don't seem to absorb it and sometimes still feel "dry" - this is a symptom as a clue to what is going on with them.  There are also patients who are still running to the bathroom a lot or waking in the night to urinate - they are also symptoms!  And again, these help direct me as to what is happening with that person.  What is so cool about naturopathic medicine is that no matter what treatment you do, the way the body responds always gives you more clues as to what you should do next...
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 12:38am; Reply: 31
note that PC doesn t have time to go to the gym or sweat on a daily basis ;D

he s too busy investigating fodmaps
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, March 18, 2011, 5:50pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Lola
I enjoy adding sea salt into my drinking water......works like electrolytes, bringing water inside the cell

check out hytrax
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044


Even though a little sea salt is ok. I get too much salt in my diet.

I'm working up to 2 litres a day.  Never thought I could even drink 1 litre. I'm proud of myself! :D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, March 18, 2011, 5:52pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Patrick H
Woops, sorry sweetheart. Check out the "power plate." I don't own one, but you may find benefit.


What is all that stuff in your signature? Just an observation, not a judgement.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:27am; Reply: 34
Quoted from Possum
I love drinking water especially at work (talking a lot to customers makes you thirsty) & I get through 3 litres in just water easily...& another litre for hot drinks in the evening...
Lately I've been aware that if there is a big EQ & water is hard to get in quantity, I'm nervous as I don't want to be dependent on it... :-/ Can't imagine how all those ppl in Japan are coping :o
Who knows, maybe I am drinking too much anyway & upsetting my potassium/sodium balance ??) :-/
I realised that I drink more water at one of my places of work, than the other...Makes sense as the one I get thirstier at, is the smaller one with really bright lights right above our heads, & many more years of essential oil residue in the ceiling & walls...
Plus one of the women I work with uses a lot of those oils during the day on herself & sometimes to massage on customers ::) I got totally brainfogged on Friday after one massage session & needed to drink heaps to flush it out...

Posted by: marjorie, Monday, March 28, 2011, 9:13pm; Reply: 35
I drink way too much and more out of boredom and not wanting to eat

I am 115 and I drink like 4 o r5 liters a day..kind of ridiculous.maybe this is why I feel bloated.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, March 28, 2011, 11:03pm; Reply: 36
Drinking that much you most likely could be flushing the good minerals out of your body... :-/ Being bloated suggests the potassium sodium balance is out of whack for one... ??)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:06am; Reply: 37
Quoted from marjorie
I drink way too much and more out of boredom and not wanting to eat

I am 115 and I drink like 4 o r5 liters a day..kind of ridiculous.maybe this is why I feel bloated.


May God help your kidneys - how long have you been drinking that much - that is a gallon of water!

Posted by: marjorie, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 6:57pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from PCUK-Positive


May God help your kidneys - how long have you been drinking that much - that is a gallon of water!



I know, yesterday and today was much better, and I actually feel thinner without so much water..

I am going to watch it-- geez, I never thought too much water was bad. Now, things make sense a little bit.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 9:55pm; Reply: 39
Don't dehydrate on me though ;)
Posted by: marjorie, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 10:37pm; Reply: 40
No worries, just going to ease up a little bit, I am in the mountains, and everyone keeps harping on DRINK WATER--guess I overdid it;)

perfect, this leaves some room for good healthy nutritious foods!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:14pm; Reply: 41
A person weighting 70 Kg requires at least 1750 ml of water per day. Of this amount ca. 650 ml is obtained by drinking, ca 750 ml is the water contained in solid food and ca 350 ml is oxidation water. If more than that amount is consumed by a healthy person it is excreted by the kidneys, but in people with a heart and kidney disease it may be retained

(edema; pp 505, 777f)Human Physiology; Robert F. Schmidt, Gerhard Thess, 2nd edition
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:20pm; Reply: 42
You will note that 1750 ml is equivalent to about 7 and a half glasses of water. This is where the initial round figure of eight glasses (1890 ml) came from.

so you only need to consume 2 or three glass of drinking water, if you eat properly. under normal circumstances


from Fibre menace chapter 2 - Water Damage.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:41pm; Reply: 43
the merck manual

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/sec12/ch156/ch156b.html#S12_CH156_F001
Posted by: Patrick H, Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:41pm; Reply: 44
I agree with PC.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:44am; Reply: 45
your water drinking policies don t necessarily check,  :)

here too, individuality is key......
Quoted Text
drink 1/2 ounce of water per pound you weigh

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/08/13/type-a-headache-constipation-tinnitus-di?blog=9
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 10:52am; Reply: 46
Lola - I have quoted a few references from two sources re my comment.

It would be interesting for some reasoning behind the 2 litres of water that is recommended. Also of course the person is a type A, I'm a type O.

Simply stating something doe not make it so. And I firmly beive 2 litres (for the average person) is too much. :)

I have also stated my own experience from seemingly drinking too much water and the bloating effect it caused, which has now gone. I also do not need to run to the toilet very much at all.

Having said all the above i am not a water expert, so am open to other ideas, but preferable backed up with some reasoning. oxo
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:49pm; Reply: 47
a 21 stone person or 294 pounds wouldn't really want to drink over 4 litres of water a day for very long.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 4:34pm; Reply: 48
I drink two, and still alive and kicking after 15 or more years!!!
no more pains, like sciatica and other assortment goodies, since I incorporated water into my life!!!
I used to be a camel!! no kidding!

of course I do practice more physical activity on a daily basis, and also add sea salt to my water

use a search on the site for more threads on the same ole same ole issue, k?
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 7:30pm; Reply: 49
A school friend of mine was saying that because he smoked 40 cigarettes a day drank whiskey like water but felt fine ate fried food, that this health malarkey was rubbish. that was about 6 years ago.

He died 5 years ago.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 10:05pm; Reply: 50
common sense is also advised, yes?
Posted by: Sapphi, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 3:02am; Reply: 51
Since starting the B diet, I am WAY less thirsty than I used to be... and I don't perspire as much... I was losing all my electrolytes from perspiration before the B diet... I still drink a lot, always have a jug of water waiting beside my chair... I haven't thought about exactly how much I drink... must notice tomorrow...
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 3:15am; Reply: 52
I fill up a 2 ltr bottle daily........I drink that up and forget about it! :)

I always add some sea salt to it.......
Posted by: Ladyhawk58, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 4:07am; Reply: 53
I think I am feeling better since I reduced my water intake. I am unsure just how much I drink but I know I am drinking less at the moment than I was a month ago, and yet I am feeling better for it. For some reason when I was drinking a lot more I was always thirsty, and now that I am drinking less (and I am in a hotter climate as well) I seem to have less GERD and seldom really feel thirsty - seems strange, but there you are. I know I am getting between 1 and 2 litres a day, but I think it's closer to the 1 than the 2, whereas before I would have 2+ every day. I might start monitoring it again to be sure.
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 6:50am; Reply: 54
Glad you are feeling better... ;)
Posted by: Ladyhawk58, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:12am; Reply: 55
Thanks Possum. Maybe it's just being back in QLD that did it  :)

The only trouble is, the better I feel the worse my eating habits get as I start thinking I can relax my strict routine. I am still being about 98% compliant, but I am tending to over eat and eat much bigger portions of things like ghee and honey than I should.

I really must try to up my water intake a little but not to the point I was at before when I think it was a bit too much more comfort. I might use Lola's method of filling a 2 litre bottle so i know what I've had - it was easy when I was working and having to take a bottle of water to work with me, since I've been a lady of leisure there has seemed no need....
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:16am; Reply: 56
Yeah I understand that!! I take 2 x 1.5 litre bottles with me & it is real easy to drink at work as I get dry but at home, not so... ;)
Still, I am happy to drink more when I need it, but ease back other days... ??) All balances out I guess... :-/
I also understand the bigger portions thing... Must cut back myself... Just decided tonight that we will head to Tasmania at Easter, so not long to get a few kgs off??! Eeek!!
Posted by: passionprincess, Monday, April 4, 2011, 9:52am; Reply: 57
I noticed that I drink a lot more water and feel a lot less hungry when I workout. I usually drink green tea all day long since starting BTD/GTD and quitting coffee. I used to have a venti from Starbuck's but always have an equivalent amount of water sitting next to the coffee to remind me to drink as much water as I drink coffee. Since doing the green tea, I forget to do the same.

I noticed that I was not sweating as much and my skin felt dry in a very dehydrated way. I worked out again (I stopped when I had exams and papers for school... slacked for almost 2 weeks... bad bad me) and I broke out into sweat and drank a lot of water because I felt thirsty. For some reason, working out seems to have "reset" my body and I feel not only hydrated but feel like a blockage has been released. My skin also gets much clearer and does not look dry when I have enough water.

I usually drink 2 L a day out of habit from my old yoga days. I noticed that the BTD/GTD made me urinate much more frequently but that could be because when I was not doing BTD/GTD I was not going frequently enough except due to coffee! My old habits were really unhealthy. I had quit yoga and all when I started school.

I now realize that drinking water, eating healthy, sleeping, and working out all help towards doing well in other aspects of life. I am not going to sacrifice water and working out any more.

Thanks for the reminder!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, April 4, 2011, 1:19pm; Reply: 58
the more i look into this water Thing the more i think that the more compliant you become the less water you need to drink.

but as so many people have so many old or bad habits AT THE START perhaps a larger amount of water is required for them due to diuretics (tea, coffee etc), too much sugar and way too much fibre.

difficult call to generalise.

so i shall amend my original comment to being a healthy AND COMPLIANT  person requires......
Posted by: passionprincess, Monday, April 4, 2011, 1:30pm; Reply: 59
Well, it also depends on where a person lives. I am originally from Los Angeles (dry heat in the summers) and did drink a lot of water.

When I moved to Indiana for school, I had to drink much more water than I did in L.A. The summers are humid and I went out in long jeans (I could always do that in L.A.) my first day here - I sweat like crazy, the clothes stuck to my body and my body freaked out. Not only did I get thirsty and feel like I was going to faint, I did not urinate for a full week after this. Basically, it was my body's way of trying to conserve water.

It is counterintuitive but one needs to drink more water in humid, hot weather than dry heat weather.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 2:17am; Reply: 60
2 lts as well here PP. great job! ;)
Posted by: Nadizzle, Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 3:24am; Reply: 61
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
A school friend of mine was saying that because he smoked 40 cigarettes a day drank whiskey like water but felt fine ate fried food, that this health malarkey was rubbish. that was about 6 years ago.

He died 5 years ago.


:o Nice.  Sounds like a winner.
Posted by: Azure Agony, Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:57am; Reply: 62
1.5 - 2 litres a day at the mo. When at home I drink from a glass bottle rather than from plastic, and away from meals for obvious reasons, save for a sip when taking a supplement.
Posted by: Caz B, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 3:15am; Reply: 63
Interesting thread.  I was drinking probably a little over 1 litre of water per day until recently.  We were purchasing bottled water to avoid fluoride so it was always easy to grab a bottle even when on the run.  

We finally got a water purifier that takes out fluoride about a month ago and I'm finding I'm drinking a lot less water because I don't really know what to put it in anymore - ridiculous really!

So, I have to ask the question - what does everyone else put their water in?  I would like to purchase a few decent bottles that are portable and that the whole family can use (school and work).  Just wondering if everyone still uses plastic (and if so are they BPA free and do you think they are safe?)  or whether stainless steel is the way to go?  

Oh, and if I add sea salt to the bottle (say s/steel) will it corrode the bottle at all?

While we're on the subject - I also bloat if I drink more than about 1.5L of water per day (not including other sources).
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:00am; Reply: 64
CazB
I have several of the Kleen Kanteen stainless steel water bottles in various sizes and I love them.  I use a bottle brush to get them real clean inside.

I just discovered glass water bottles inside a silicon sleeve.  Lifefactory seems to be the nicest that I've seen so far.  I'm going to look into these some more.
Posted by: Caz B, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:29am; Reply: 65
Thanks for that Victoria!   :)

I have just looked up Kleen Kanteen and it looks like they are readily available in Sydney - now to choose colours and lids!
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 7:40am; Reply: 66
Caz - which water purifier did you buy?
Posted by: Caz B, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 7:52am; Reply: 67
I bought it from Southern Cross Pottery - only found out recently that they now make a purifier that removes fluoride (they have had them for about 12mths).  I was soooo excited because the only other option before this was either distillation or reverse osmosis.

Here is the link to their website - I ordered over the phone and had it within about 2wks, delivered to my door.

http://www.southerncrosspottery.com.au/

Not sure if they deliver to NZ.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 1:41pm; Reply: 68
We use kleen kanteen too, but we use are going to get the stainless steel screw caps when the exiting plastic ones wear out. so that we can get away from plastic altogether.

we don't add salt, that's done in cooking.

we have a water filter that takes out most of the bad stuff too.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:32pm; Reply: 69
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Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:41pm; Reply: 70
I buy Tazo teas occasonally in glass bottles (usually I let my kids drink the tea) and then I wash out the bottles and re-use them for water to take with me. Those are  good during cooler weather, when I don't drink so much. It also fits nicely in the outer pocket of my purse and in my vehicle's cup holder.

I also plan to get some kleen kanteen or equivilent bottles this summer, when I'll be drinking a lot more water per outing. Those are especially nice for the beach or for long walks outside, when the 16oz glass bottle isn't big enough and there may not be a place to refill it.
Posted by: O Woe Is Me, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 8:21pm; Reply: 71
Because I eat a lot of moist foods (fruits and veges) I need less water. But if I were to go back to eating bread and cheese I would need more water. I tried drinking the amount of water they say one should drink alongside the O diet and found that I was bloating. Maybe that much water was diluting stomach acids, maybe it was unneeded, but my guess is that if you are mostly a dry foods person (crackers, cheese, bread, chips, etc.) you are going to have to drink a lot more water than you would if you ate moist cooked grains, fruits, veges, fish, soups and other wet foods.

Just sayin'
Posted by: O Woe Is Me, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 8:23pm; Reply: 72
We should not forget that we all evolved from the bushmen of Africa who got nearly all their water from the food they ate.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 9:55pm; Reply: 73
Also don't forget that we all have individual water needs. You'll need more water on warm days than cool ones. Possibly more on warm days than hot ones, if the warm day means you have your windows open and hot days mean air conditioning, and your house is actually cooler on the "hot" day.

People tend to need more water while detoxing, to help the body flush out excess toxins. Weight loss often releases toxins that had been stored in body fat, so people losing weight may need more water than people maintaning their weights.

It seems like this thread is currently moving in the direction of "be careful- don't overdo the water intake!" and I want to point out that this could be bad advice for some individuals.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Friday, April 15, 2011, 12:36pm; Reply: 74
I have been on a smaller amount of water for a few weeks now, and i no longer need to get up several times during the night to go to the toilet, I sleep right through most nights now which is great. I'm no longer rushing to go to the toilet during the day and I'm no longer bloated.

Whether this is just the water or the fact that i no longer have any grain for breakfast, or indeed at all really. I'm not sure perhaps it is a combination of both.

But I really think that once you have your diet sorted to any degree that you may need to at least be aware that you need to adjust the amount of water you drink.
Posted by: Drea, Friday, April 15, 2011, 12:47pm; Reply: 75
I agree with your last statement, pc, "be aware that you may need to adjust the amount of water you drink". Our bodies are dynamic, not static, so we are constantly changing on small scales.

On hot days here in Northern NM (5600 feet elev.), I can easily drink 1 gallon of water (not all at once). I add lemon juice and sea salt to most of it, and I no longer (need to) salt my food -- I used to be on the salt advisory council, and was the president at one time LOL -- I don't eat meat or poultry, but do occasionally eat fish, so most of my food is vegetarian-based. I also don't drink any other form of beverage, except a cup of coffee in the morning, and maybe a cup of tea before bed. Even with all that water, if I don't have tea before bed, I don't have to get up in the middle of the night for potty. If I drink anything after 9pm, I usually do get up once in the night.

I don't think there's one rule for everybody. I just happen to know what "works" for me. When I lived at sea level, I only drank 2 liters per day and was hydrated.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, April 24, 2011, 12:29am; Reply: 76
http://www.renalandurologynews.com/too-much-water-could-be-harmful/article/118792/
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, April 24, 2011, 4:31am; Reply: 77
Interesting - I have always wondered if the encouragement to drink more was tied up with the bottled water industry/ies :-/ I never remember this huge urge to drink so much, being a part of my childhood, nor did you see so many people round toting drink bottles as if walking through town was synonymous to crossing the desert??)
Posted by: Drea, Monday, April 25, 2011, 11:52pm; Reply: 78
I'm drinking my 4th liter of water today (I drink unfiltered well water), and I may have a 5th by the end of my day! Other than one cup of coffee in the morning, water is all I drink...well, sometimes I'll have a cup of tea at night...
Posted by: brinyskysail, Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 7:43pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from Luana
I only weigh 96 pounds, so I guess 6-8 is quite a lot I would think.


I only weigh 90 lbs, but I get over 2 liters/day.  Water is very important, but there isn't any "set" amount to drink; it definitely varies from person to person due to body factors, physical activity, etc.  Just make sure you get water when you feel thirsty and before and after exercise and I'm sure you'll be fine  ;)
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Thursday, June 23, 2011, 6:47am; Reply: 80
Quoted from Lola
I enjoy adding sea salt into my drinking water......works like electrolytes, bringing water inside the cell

check out hytrax
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044


Wow good idea, how much salt do u add per glass?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 2:56am; Reply: 81
a pinch only.....the tip of a teaspoon
Posted by: marjorie, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 4:11am; Reply: 82
I live in CO and drink about 2--3 liters a day pending on my workout. I need water to feel good.. my  muscles ache when I do not have enough.
Posted by: Louise, Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:43pm; Reply: 83
i've been trying something new called Sole Therapy http://www.americanbluegreen.com/sole.html   because i've had a history of muscle cramps. Always been difficult to find the right mineral balance and actually absorb the minerals! This does seem to be helping with all the water that i drink. It does seem like adding a bit of sea salt would work as well - not sure fo their comment that it's not.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Thursday, February 9, 2012, 12:14am; Reply: 84
I live in the desert, I needs my water! :)
Posted by: D.L., Friday, May 11, 2012, 3:01pm; Reply: 85
Lots. Since I can't have caffeine anymore or fruit juice, for the past year and 4 months, I only drink water, sometimes with a little lemon. I remember reading there is supposed to be a formula for how much liquids a person drinks based on body weight and exercise. I'll have to see if I can find it.
Posted by: chrissyA, Friday, May 11, 2012, 3:53pm; Reply: 86
The recommended amount of water consumption is 1/2 ounce of water per pound of body weight per day. So, for example, if you weigh 140 pounds, you should consume 70 ounces of water daily.
Posted by: Enobattar, Friday, May 11, 2012, 7:56pm; Reply: 87
According to Dr. Stephen T. Chang in his book entitled, "The Tao of Balanced Diet", he explains that healthy kidneys can only process 6 cups of liquid per day.  This includes your fruits and vegetables!  He goes on to further explain that if the kidneys are healthy and we drink more, they will (for a time) expel the extra but it puts strain on them.  What they can't eliminate is stored under our skin to (hopefully) be perspired throughout the course of the day.  [Right here I'll insert that the more you exercise and perspire, yes, he says you do need to drink more.]  IF NOT perspired, this toxin filled (remember it hasn't been filtered) liquid continues to lay under the skin and as it accumulates and time goes by it not only builds up putting pressure on our nerves but also begins to solidify over the months and eventually hardens.  It is difficult to break up and remove but can be done; the process he explains in his book.  We all know it as CELLULITE!

Imagine my shock upon reading this back in 2002 after having FAITHFULLY drank daily 64 oz. of water IN ADDITION to my fruits and veggies for 7 years!  This protocol was prescribed to me by my (then) naturapathic doctor.  Before I started the "heavy drinking" I had NO cellulite.  When I gave my thighs a good looking over after reading Dr. Chang's info, I was appalled and sickened at how bad they were.  Every day since I attempt to remove it following Dr. Chang's proceedure but, hey, it takes a lot of commitment and.... well, I'm at the age where I don't show my thighs in public anymore and so..... maybe if cellulite "hurt" I'd be more diligent?  But, seriously, it is sad that for 7 yrs. I abused my kidneys.... but that is life.  We can't know everything at once. It's a learning experience.  And it is what you do with what you know AS YOU COME TO KNOW IT that matters.  Any one agree?

Hey, you know what?  What if we just drink when we're thirsty???  Sounds like a plan to me.   :)
Posted by: marjorie, Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:42pm; Reply: 88
Quoted from Enobattar
According to Dr. Stephen T. Chang in his book entitled, "The Tao of Balanced Diet", he explains that healthy kidneys can only process 6 cups of liquid per day.  This includes your fruits and vegetables!  He goes on to further explain that if the kidneys are healthy and we drink more, they will (for a time) expel the extra but it puts strain on them.  What they can't eliminate is stored under our skin to (hopefully) be perspired throughout the course of the day.  [Right here I'll insert that the more you exercise and perspire, yes, he says you do need to drink more.]  IF NOT perspired, this toxin filled (remember it hasn't been filtered) liquid continues to lay under the skin and as it accumulates and time goes by it not only builds up putting pressure on our nerves but also begins to solidify over the months and eventually hardens.  It is difficult to break up and remove but can be done; the process he explains in his book.  We all know it as CELLULITE!

Imagine my shock upon reading this back in 2002 after having FAITHFULLY drank daily 64 oz. of water IN ADDITION to my fruits and veggies for 7 years!  This protocol was prescribed to me by my (then) naturapathic doctor.  Before I started the "heavy drinking" I had NO cellulite.  When I gave my thighs a good looking over after reading Dr. Chang's info, I was appalled and sickened at how bad they were.  Every day since I attempt to remove it following Dr. Chang's proceedure but, hey, it takes a lot of commitment and.... well, I'm at the age where I don't show my thighs in public anymore and so..... maybe if cellulite "hurt" I'd be more diligent?  But, seriously, it is sad that for 7 yrs. I abused my kidneys.... but that is life.  We can't know everything at once. It's a learning experience.  And it is what you do with what you know AS YOU COME TO KNOW IT that matters.  Any one agree?

Hey, you know what?  What if we just drink when we're thirsty???  Sounds like a plan to me.   :)


Very interesting! I drink 2 liters of water a day sometimes plus veggies. However, I eat alot of protein.. and workout alot.

I often wonder if I am drinking too much water. I want to check out this book. Thank you for the insight.
Posted by: Enobattar, Sunday, May 13, 2012, 3:25pm; Reply: 89
Hope you do, Marjorie.

First 2-3 days you will experience incredible thirst, but stick with it, it will go away.  You're body usually craves things that are bad for it (don't we all know).  Dr. Chang says to run your tongue over your teeth to create saliva and swallow when it gets bad OR if that doesn't get your mind off of your thirst, fill your mouth with water and swish, hold, but DON'T swallow... then spit.

Since you exercise more more than and A (me) you will have a challenge during this initial time to know when you need it and when it's just your body wanting it.  So be aware.

It helped me, in the beginning, to divide the day into 1/3's and allow myself 2 c. per period.  Remember that this includes your fruits and veggies.  Learn to chew well.  It helps.  And also remember that 6 c. is what a healthy, 100% functioning set of kidneys can process in 24 hrs.  Dr. Chang states in his book that 75% of all the people who make it past the age of 75 die of kidney disease.  Well, that info along with Dr. D's info concerning agglutination happening because of eating foods with offending lectins which, decade after decade accumulate in our kidneys (and brain stem), makes me aware that mine are not at 100%.  So now, after years of experience, I don't drink extra unless I'm thirsty.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, May 14, 2012, 10:31pm; Reply: 90
I find it hard to  beleive that absolutely everybody's kidneys can only filter 6 cups of water per day- it would seem logical to me that each individual would need slightly more or less, depending on a host of factors.

I know I don't feel as well when I don't drink as much water. I get headaches easily if I don't have enough. If I followed the "just drink when you're thirsty" rule, I'd be drinking WAY more than 6 cups of liquid per day!
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, May 14, 2012, 11:50pm; Reply: 91
Quoted from Enobattar
According to Dr. Stephen T. Chang in his book entitled, "The Tao of Balanced Diet", he explains that healthy kidneys can only process 6 cups of liquid per day.  This includes your fruits and vegetables!  He goes on to further explain that if the kidneys are healthy and we drink more, they will (for a time) expel the extra but it puts strain on them.

I doubt this means that we should only intake 6 cup of liquid total...  We expel significant amounts of water vapor with every breath, we perspire depending on the activity level and amount of heat we are in throughout the day, and we discharge urine and fecal matter (which contains a certain amount of liquid).

Recommendations from medical sites:
  
According to MedlinePlus, the normal urine output for a healthy adult is 2 liters per day.

So how much fluid does the average, healthy adult living in a temperate climate need? The Institute of Medicine determined that an adequate intake (AI) for men is roughly 3 liters (about 13 cups) of total beverages a day. The AI for women is 2.2 liters (about 9 cups) of total beverages a day.


Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, March 2, 2014, 2:40pm; Reply: 92
I drink too much liquid, probably why I need to pee so much.  Besides just water, I have it in my morning shake and my tea during the day.  A glass of wine would also be liquid.  It all adds up.  It’s like an addiction; I don’t like to leave the house with a bottle of water with me.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, March 2, 2014, 10:28pm; Reply: 93
RL: Go ahead & enjoy your liquids.  I think it is a good idea to carry a bottle of water.
Maybe you have a little too much, but you may need more than the average. With all the pollutants around, extra water can't hurt.
Posted by: azsundevil, Monday, March 3, 2014, 4:36pm; Reply: 94
I'm also one that if I don't drink enough water, I usually feel the effects in sort of way. Could be headache related, or sinus stuffy.

One thing I noticed in this thread was some folks calculating their beverages with water content as considered in their daily intake. I don't believe you can do that. You might be able to get away with that with juices, maybe even milk, but I highly doubt you can drink a can of coke and can of beer or jack daniels whiskey, a cup of coffee and say you have had 16 ounces of water because that's how much liquid is in those cans.

If I'm not mistaken caffeine, and I know deffiniately alcohol, dehydrates you. I always thought if you had a cup of coffee, an alcoholic drink, you have to drink an extra same amount of water because of the dehydrating effect.

Is this incorrect??
Posted by: Kath5yDE, Saturday, March 15, 2014, 6:34am; Reply: 95
sometimes I'll have a cup of tea at night...
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Saturday, March 15, 2014, 7:47pm; Reply: 96
I would count tea as a water source, so enjoy!
Posted by: aussielady582, Friday, April 4, 2014, 3:19am; Reply: 97
I think different people need different amounts of water, depending on their diet, activity level, exercise where one may sweat a lot, also how well the kidneys are functioning. Some have weak kidneys, and drinking lots of water just puts more of a strain on the kidneys. People on raw food diets don't need much water at all, as fruits, vegetables and soaked nuts/seeds are already rich in water.
I also am not sure about the copper, chlorine in tap water, and my filter jug may not extract all this unecessary chemicals. There is lots of info about bottled water, so how would one decide what type of water to drink? Even drinking lots of water may not help if there are problems in the digestive system, some times the water just sits in the gut, not going anywhere, and this is not good, as excess water just allows pathogens to multiply.
There is nothing like a fresh raw juice from carrots, and maybe some other vegetables.
Posted by: HolisticFox, Friday, April 4, 2014, 8:06pm; Reply: 98
I drink tons of water and I pee all the time...  I'm actually reading through this thread because I was starting to feel like maybe I should dial it back a bit on the water even if I'm thirsty.  I easily drink more than 3 liters a day.
Posted by: san j, Friday, April 4, 2014, 8:06pm; Reply: 99
There was no "I don't know" option.  :-/
Posted by: tdekany, Friday, April 4, 2014, 9:02pm; Reply: 100
I drink half my body weight, I'm at 209lbs, and drink 8oz an hour on the hour while awake. Makes a big difference vs drinking large amounts a few times a day
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