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Posted by: Green Root, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 8:26am
Hi,

this should NOT be a new topic, but I want to ask something again (as I quite often do, I'm sorry): why to avoid something that many people consider healthy.

I'm sure there are negative effects in black pepper since SWAMI marks it as an avoid. But surely there are positive, too! Otherwise so many wouldn't recommend it warmly.

Black pepper obviously should
-boost digestion -> diminish flatulence
-help body to break up fat tissue
-make the effect of curry/turmeric a thousand(!!) times better!

As we know, turmeric and curry use to be excellent for inflammation and good for brains.

Mother told me that when she put pepper mix to mushroom soup, he got a lot of energy. There were organic rosé, green, black and white pepper in the mix. Well, rosé and green pepper should be neutral if not mentioned :)

Fresh ground black pepper can be ok according to BTD, but SWAMI mentions nothing about this:
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?603
Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 8:50am; Reply: 1
When they talk about black pepper being an avoid, they are talking about the one in the can or jars.

The pepper that you grind in a pepper mill before each use, is fine.  Just don't want to add mold to the body.
Posted by: Green Root, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 8:58am; Reply: 2
Thank you very much geminisue! Do you have black pepper as an avoid in SWAMI?

My "best avoided" spices are arabic gum, cornstarch, guarana, mace, nutmeg and pepper, black.

-Very good if the avoid status of black pepper for O types is mainly because of mold.

-I understand mace and nutmeg, I don't need them
-I understand arabic gum as additive (what about xylitol chewing gum with that and many other additives?)
-I understand cornstarch, partly because GMO
-I partly understand guarana. Is it too stimulating maybe?
Posted by: Ladyhawk58, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 10:59am; Reply: 3
Quoted Text
When they talk about black pepper being an avoid, they are talking about the one in the can or jars.

The pepper that you grind in a pepper mill before each use, is fine.  Just don't want to add mold to the body


I would be very pleasantly surprised if black pepper is an avoid only if it is pre-ground - surely it is an avoid in any form??? Wouldn't all things be avoids if they had mould on them?
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:11pm; Reply: 4
Pepper is an avoid on my Swami as well and I wondered if the rules were the same if it was fresh ground.

I can be pretty neurotic about my food choices but I am able to get sliced grass fed roast beef fresh at the deli and it has some black pepper on the edges. This is so convenient and I am hoping a few grains won't be too bad.

Lola, I bet you will say cut the edges off! Sometimes I do, depending on how it is sliced.
Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:12pm; Reply: 5
Ladyhawk- how it is explained is black mold is not on the pepper corns, and when it is ground using a pepper mill right onto the food, your going to eat, it doesn't have a chance, to mold.

acacia (arabic gum)
chili powder (cumin, can be used here)
cornstarch (I understand arrowroot can be used, or cream of tartar & baking soda)
guaroma
mace
nutmeg
pepper,black are all avoids in the spice area, on my swami


black pepper was avoid on my BTD & on my GTD and also on my SWAMI X, but I take that to mean I can use the peppercorn, in the pepper mill, If I desire, to use it.  ( I am a big user of cayenne pepper, so I don't concern myself, with black pepper)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:24pm; Reply: 6
I thought that, on BTD, pre-ground black pepper was an avoid for all, but fresh peppercorns (such as whole cooked in soups or sauces, or freshly ground onto other foods) was neutral for all. (or most anyway- I only ever looked at O and B foods.)

I also thought that "pepper, black" listed in SWAMI already assumed you're not using the ore-ground stuff, so if you get black pepper as an avoid, you're supposed to avoid ALL forms of black pepper.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 12:44pm; Reply: 7
Dadamo's Personalized Nutrician suggestions in everything are just that..

Suggestions that come with avoid warnings are just that..

In th end we need to decide for our selves on the yes or no  AND TAKE responsibility for it to work as we interpret it or not.

I chose for years to eat icecream.. not always not always often, and I don't know if I did harm or good.. now Swami said I could have milk, so I could say that my iceream is milk, and that I actually did my self some 'good' by having had some chocolate icecream for all my life on BTD..

I had it most often with nuts and a small cone.. I could justify that its a little nut protein and the cone is grains.  I think I can make that case..

BUT CAN I MAKE the case that if PURCHASED in a store that I know what else is in it.. I THINK NOT!..

That then becomes my responsibility.. decided to stop having it more often do to sugar issues, and in my self defence to my alter EGO:  I buy it only in the size of a cone, not a half gallon, I have only a small scoop, and only sometimes..  

So I choose to deal with some of what might be avoids.. and might eat/like it even in defiance.. BUT the ONE THING I CAN NOT DO is to say it is 'PART OF Dr Dadamo Personalized Nutrician PLAN>>

I take resonsibility for my own actions, decisions, and consequences.. AFTER THAT I am also responsible for my not losing weight, my having indigestion or worse, and on inability to follow something blindly.. I seem to want to test at least this one aspect of the suggested diet and see what happens the day after.. diareah might be one of those.. so do I learn from that, or keep asking my self: why do I CHOOSE to do the avoid 'TESTING' in my own body!!??  Is the EXPERIMENT worth it??  

after that maybe I could make my own fresh clean uncontaminated icecream.. the effort of doing it might be offset  of calories, or at least I would know what is in it..

Pepper corns you grind at least has nothing else in it.. so the 'issue' might have merrit.  Ask: is it worth it to experiment on YOU.. ?    
Posted by: maukik, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 1:33pm; Reply: 8
I have avoided pepper for years.  I really missed it at first.  I wouldn't use the "freshly ground" peppercorn either because it seemed to me mold could grow on the bottom of the pepper grinder from the last time I ground it.  Maybe could have cleaned out my pepper grinder each time.  Recently, I reasoned that I could use a mortar and pestal, wash it each time with soap and water and be reasonably safe from mold.  I have done it once in the six months I have had the mortar and pestal.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 4:53pm; Reply: 9
ask them to hold the pepper....

why would they add pepper to a piece of perfect steak!!!?
:-/

pepper is in your swami for a very precise reason.....your allergies and sinus trouble
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 5:15pm; Reply: 10
fresh ground pepper on a steak? Heaven! But I'm not sure now if its ok or not. ??)
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 6:26pm; Reply: 11
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ask them to hold the pepper....

why would they add pepper to a piece of perfect steak!!!?


Lola, it's deli meat already cooked that they slice. Perfect over a salad, grass fed and organic! I was thrilled to discover my market was carrying this item. Unfortunately, it's seasoned with pepper! Organic pepper but that makes no difference.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 6:44pm; Reply: 12
no deli meat for me, thanks

I rather season my own

even the restaurants I visit, they know they need to hold the spice mixes on my chunk of whatever meat I want to order......and I choose places where the grill is visible, so I have no surprises....

yep, I definitely am not an easy customer.....but I am a good person!!! ;)
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 6:53pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Lola
yep, I definitely am not an easy customer.....but I am a good person!!! ;)


I'll second that! :K)
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 7:27pm; Reply: 14
2nd that .. Lola you are precious..
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Thursday, March 10, 2011, 11:57pm; Reply: 15
Quoted Text
no deli meat for me, thanks


Aside from a little pepper, it would be perfect.

Ingredients: organic grass fed roast beef, rubbed with sea salt and organic pepper

I'm not one to cut corners and I cook up a storm but this is an occasional welcomed convenience. Too bad they added pepper!
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:27am; Reply: 16
Trim off the little edge, Wholefoodie?  (happy_gangsta)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:41am; Reply: 17
if you look closely,
in recipe central, freshly ground pepper is rated for BT

so I take this ti mean, that the rating in our swamies, for pepper, refers to freshly ground, cause mold, (in the case or store bought preground pepper)wouldn t be good for anyone ;)
Posted by: Mother, Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42am; Reply: 18
I'm a bad person, i know , but if i didn't have allergies or sinus problems, which I don't, I'd welcome the convenience occassionally and rationalize it that all those great fat ratios and being grass fed , organic, affordable and convenient would outway a little pepper. grant it, i'd probably flick what i could off but... I'd still eat it! Actually, what brand is that??
Posted by: Green Root, Monday, June 6, 2011, 3:17pm; Reply: 19
I really don't miss black pepper for the sake of taste. I like chili, cayenne and even green pepper! (is that after all better than black pepper since it is immature black pepper? and is there difference between fresh ground green pepper and a curry blend containing ground green pepper?)

But I return back to my original claim. I prefer the healthiness of the food to the taste. I find many sources in Finland that take this seriously:

http://www.anticancerbook.com/post/Turmeric-and-black-pepper-fight-cancer-stem-cells.html

They even tell that they are eating turmeric nearly ALWAYS with black pepper, since piperine in the black pepper boosts so much the effect of the golden spice?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pepper

"It has been shown that piperine can dramatically increase absorption of selenium, vitamin B, beta-carotene and curcumin as well as other nutrients."

Oh yes, I know that I take responsibility of my health and I have to make my decisions, other people cannot do it for me. I just would like to be in SWAMI diet but not TOO strictly.
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 1:25am; Reply: 20
Green Root I am interested & agree with your logic ;) I am confused with Ruthie's answer below... ??) :-/

Quoted from ruthiegirl
I thought that, on BTD, pre-ground black pepper was an avoid for all, but fresh peppercorns (such as whole cooked in soups or sauces, or freshly ground onto other foods) was neutral for all. (or most anyway- I only ever looked at O and B foods.)

I also thought that "pepper, black" listed in SWAMI already assumed you're not using the ore-ground stuff, so if you get black pepper as an avoid, you're supposed to avoid ALL forms of black pepper.


Posted by: Green Root, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 9:18am; Reply: 21
But there are different purposes for BTD ant GTD, that's why there are different supers and avoids in them ;)

Those articles (I mean one in the wikipedia) admit that there are bad stuff in black pepper, too, but there is also the light side of the spice. Many people here in my home country think that the most important when eating is
-quality
-quality
-quality
-many-sided food

Very strict attitude suits to some people - like me maybe :D - but not to all. Listening to yourself is the most important to study your body, but that's familiar in this BTD/GTD/SWAMI attitude, too :)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 12:09pm; Reply: 22
There is nothing about freshly ground black pepper in my Swami, it just mentions black pepper as an avoid, so I avoid it.  I'd love to know WHY it is an avoid, maybe something to do with inflammation (?).  I don't miss it, I never liked black peppercorns all that much - I always found black pepper irritating.  I get whatever little bit of heat I need from red pepper flakes or chili, which are neutral for me.
Posted by: Kim, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 12:15pm; Reply: 23
Black pepper is an avoid for me too and I rarely used it anyway so I don't care about it at all.  What I do miss is there are no hot peppers allowed on my swami.  No jalapenos, chiles, habaneros, nothing.  Just bell peppers are allowed.  I love hot spicy food and that is a huge adjustment for me.   :'(
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 1:39pm; Reply: 24
I used to love black pepper and used it liberally.  However, my family always joked about the fact that I have "small pipes" and that often times food would make my throat close and I would choke.  Once I stopped using the black pepper because of the BTD/GTD all that choking mostly went away.  I guess I must have been having an allergic reaction to the black pepper, even though I never really connected it.  I did notice that if the pepper was ground too large, that it would cause my throat to close.

Giving up pepper was a great thing for me, as I can now eat without choking!   :o
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:55pm; Reply: 25
I avoid all use of black pepper, also because the body just doesn't want it.  It has been so long since I have used it to remember exactly what happened, but soon after reading BTD, I stopped using it and each food list since has had it as an avoid, so it remains off limits...  I have noticed when buying a pre-made curry powder, that I will muscle test OK for some powder(s) if the pepper is way down on the ingredient list, but not if it is close to the top.
Posted by: Green Root, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 7:50am; Reply: 26
Oh yeah :) thank you all! I really begged this kind of comments.

Kim vacowgirl, what a pity to read. But luckily bell peppers are ok, they are warming, too :) maybe many A type persons should avoid them, too.

ABJoe, quite a clear connection! :) Very tiny amounts (and occasional eating) of many avoids seems to be very slightly harmful to many people. What kind of muscle problems do you get when eating more black pepper?

Does anyone have any thoughts of green pepper? Less mold? Freshly ground, too?
Posted by: CB, Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 12:35pm; Reply: 27
I, too, love black pepper and chili peppers and jabenaros (sp).   Cripes!   Any ideas on substitutions?    Thx.   CB
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 3:18pm; Reply: 28
i haven't read the replies but i cant have both FRESH GROUND and the pre ready stuff. all i knw its NEUTRAL for O's..
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2011, 3:38pm; Reply: 29
I have black pepper as an avoid. Dr. D said we could have some on our food if it's freshly ground, because the already ground one is full of mold. I noticed I just do better without it, because it will upset my stomach now.  I use paprika mostly.
Posted by: CB, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 8:02pm; Reply: 30
I didn't think paprika had much taste.   Does yours?   What brand?
Posted by: cajun, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 8:18pm; Reply: 31
Me too, Kim! I sooooo miss hot spicy peppers!!!!!

Posted by: FitnessAddict, Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:27pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from 815
I have black pepper as an avoid. Dr. D said we could have some on our food if it's freshly ground, because the already ground one is full of mold. I noticed I just do better without it, because it will upset my stomach now.  I use paprika mostly.


then why does it say freshly ground and avoid?? :o
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?603
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2011, 11:52pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from CB
I didn't think paprika had much taste.   Does yours?   What brand?


I use McCormick brand. The cheap brands are tasteless.. I realized that saving money by buying the cheap dollar brands is sacrificing flavor because they use lower quality herbs. I also find some good buys on spices in the Indian grocery store. I love the smell of spices when I walk in. It's intoxicating  :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, June 9, 2011, 11:56pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from FitnessAddict

then why does it say freshly ground and avoid?? :o
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?603


A couple of years ago we were asking about using black pepper and why couldn't we use it?  Dr. D posted and said we could use fresh ground black pepper but the already ground pepper was often contaminated with mold toxin.  So it's up to you.  
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 5:40pm; Reply: 35
I'm pulling this up again because this subject has been on my mind lately.  I read all the posts and there is some great input.  

Like someone else posted here, I buy organic prairie beef slices and it has pepper on it.  I eat it because it's convenient.  I had avoided black pepper for a long long time.  But I recently found myself craving it.  So I wanted to know if there was a reason for it.  As green root stated, some sources claim it helps digestion.  Which would be good for AB's and A.  This sources says it actually boosts HCL.  And that would be a good thing for some of us.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=74

Anyways, I know we will sometimes crave foods that aren't good for us.  And maybe that's what's going on.  But it's hard to know.  But I do find myself really wanting it.  A LOT.  I don't eat it a lot.  I don't have any in the house.  But when I go to Panera and get the salmon salad, they put a good amount on the slab of salmon.  And I eat it.  I do scrape some of it off, as it's rather large.  Plus it has white pepper and black pepper.  I wonder what the ratings for white pepper are, if any different?  Anyways......

I'm not going to stop eating it on my slices and salmon.  I'm not so into it that I'll buy it, but I have a "gut" feeling it might not be all bad.  (Like that pun? 8) ;D)  I could be wrong, but then again......

Also, I totally think paprika has a strong flavor.  Maybe you guys are not tasters or you're getting junky stuff.  But it's funny, I went out to dinner for our anniversary and there was some soup my wife got.  Butternut squash soup.  I took a small tiny bite of hers and I was like WHOOOOA.  Come to find out it had cayenne pepper in it.  The chef claimed it was a tiny amount.  My wife said it wasn't that strong at all.  But I like tasted it RIGHT AWAY!  And I had about 1/3 of a teaspoon of the soup.  I definitely think some of us taste things differently.  The strange thing is, I think she's a "supertaster" and I'm more of a "taster".  But that might be a different substance that's on those strips.  That is some bitter substance.  Maybe the pepper thing is a different chemical to be tasting.

Anyways.....

My 17 cents on the matter.  I'm thankful for Mayflowers post, because if that is true, I might opt for the cracked pepper when it is fresh at times.  Maybe even buy some.  I don't know.  If the other stuff I'm eating that is already on the meat has mould in it, I'm no worse for the wear.  In fact, I've been gaining health and weight since I've been eating it.  It's possible it's not the best, but for some reason I'm not overly worried about it at this point.  
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