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Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 8:37am
I was told that as we get older we remember anything we 'do'.. but forget NOUNS as they are stored in a different part of the brain..

I was entering food I ate in my food new chart and found that I can not remember 2 nouns..(I gave up remembering names a long time ago- just thought I can not do it - forever)

As a diabetic the adds are 50/100%  that I could get alzheimers I heard recently..

OK, but I would have though that it would start much later in life.

I have noticed this loss of RECALLING of nouns as on issue for some months aware that I circumvent using certain words, speaking slower and groping for words.  Now I understand that to be NOUNS!!     Scary as all heck..

I have had some memory issues 'ha-ha-ha' for 15 years- yet I used to attribute it to menopause issues, which NOW I think is just the real beginning of alzheimers... read on.. *

(I feet that brain certain issues are the first sign of meno setting in, long before the end of mensis.)

I still taste peppermint so I am still OK, (there was a list someplace about tasting 7 items as a test for Alzheimers.    Peppermint is one of them..  

I am currently on the weight loss suplement regimen but I know what I will go for in two month.. I have realised just now what is going on...  but there is something I can do.  Prevent further damage will be important!  If there is such a thing.. I think there is* read on.  

* Diabetes is the issue here - no doubt about that. * I think what is going on is the following..

The first signs of diabetes coming on (or being here) is seen EARLY in getting leg cramps, or pain from nerve tissue that gets hyperactive in the feet, showing up with hand/leg twitching movement at night.  The name for that is Poli-Neuropathy.  Poli meaning all- over the body-nerve death..  (Medical advertizers call it Restless Leg Syndrome or some other thing having to do with circulation or Periferal Artery Disease.. )  

Ok so far I was wondering what that really means.. well I guess now I call it early warnings about alzheimers.. another word for nerve death.. for me right now  VISBLE by the inability to ACTIVATE nerve functions that RECALL nouns...

These are all conjectures on my part.. what do you think?? is this worth a thread here??  
Posted by: Susana, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:25am; Reply: 1
Hi Goldie,

Sorry to know you are going through worries.

Try: http://www.lumosity.com They are brain exercises. For me the brain is like a muscle. If one does not exercise it it atrophies. Perhaps you can slower the process.

:K)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 12:17pm; Reply: 2
heck yes I will slower the process.. this would be the newst self discovery .. but indeed the musckles and Nerve issues they come on way early and might be warning signs, not of diabetes but of alzheimers!  now that would be a discovery..
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 12:26pm; Reply: 3
Goldie I was getting info for the woman who child has diabetes and saw this.

Suggest you read in detail at least twice[color=red][/color] if your having problems with your memory, perhaps that why you never listen to me LOL ;)

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-3.html#Sweet_Food
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 12:49pm; Reply: 4
Goldie, do you take any fish oil or krill oil?
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 2:32pm; Reply: 5
PC I will read it twice.. no doubt about it..

no I dont take crill oils.. nothing for now other then the 8 sups for the next 2 month I am already taking.. after that I will look further.. some smell of fish -- need to hold my breath to swallow them..

I am however much more impressed by the nerve connection to the brain.. in neuropathy.. that is hot stuff.. it could be on early warning -not of diabetes but- actual brain damage (eventually).. (way, way  before it sets in, in older age)

The interesting thing for this moment is that I still don't remember the one noun/name of a food that brought me here..  :'(  that is serious!

By the way I am (FOR NOW) looking at this as rather humerous. ;D. I mean the reality of it would be tragic..  >:(
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 4:12pm; Reply: 6
Acetyl-L-Carnitin u.a. ;) ;D and here the super address: http://www.orthomed.org the canadian orthomolecular society from prof.Dr. Avram Hoffer.... greeting from me to those... they are justamente beautiful folks and docs  ;D(smarty)(ok)(clap)(wiseman)(dance)...and loads of :K) to YOU my dear friend  :D
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 4:22pm; Reply: 7
Hey I wan't to know what you think about my proposition??
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 5:36pm; Reply: 8
My father had Alzheimer's and my mother experienced some degree of senility toward the end of her life.  The difference, as I was told at the time:

In regular memory loss, a person may forget where they left their keys, what their friend's name is, whether or not they took their vitamins . .

With Alzheimer's a person might not know what the keys are; they might think their friend is their grandmother who had been dead for 20 years; they might think the vitamins are poison that a spy is using to try and kill them.

A person who is senile might forget if they went to the bathroom or not.
Someone with Alzheimer's might think the T.V. is the toilet, and urinate on it.

It's not just an issue of memory.  Everything gets scrambled.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 6:14pm; Reply: 9
What proposition ? lol
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 6:21pm; Reply: 10
Ditto with Victoria, panic for common things, allucinations are common in Alzheimer's disease, my diabetic grandmother died totally clear in her mind 88 years old, no Alzheimer but she was very compliant to avoid sugar and too much carbos since 50 or 55 years old.. The grandgrandmother died 60 or something abusing sugar and carbos. This on my father side.
My mother has Alzheimer's being not overweight and not diabetic, but her cousins seems ready on the same path poor them,
a big hug and believe you can fight it Goldie !
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 8:35pm; Reply: 11
wenn ich fliehen will dann fliehe ich... das ist meine *prosposition* ... nix mehr nor less... tssskk.................... :B :o :K)...
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 9:36pm; Reply: 12
That's all true before Alzheimer get you, if it catch you, I feel there is not a lot to do.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 9:52pm; Reply: 13
try alternating some protocols given in the aging book, to build up your cognitive system
also the online protocol, compare with those in the book
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:40pm; Reply: 14
Lola :.. that is what I will do..

ALL: BUT my idea that the nerve damage  may show the way is what I am bringing forth.. I think that is the question I have been asking for some time.. actually what is the cause of diabetes.. not just the sugar but all related topics to go with it..

Sugar fluctuations issues is one among twenty..  I am certain early nerve damage is one of them.. so preventing it ( or at least recognizing it for what t is.. severe longterm consequences.. ) is the key ..

Victoria:.. that was a good explanation.. thanks..

and while I am (not fippened) but so so serous about me.. I am serious about feeling for all who have to deal with mental issues or diabetics.. all suffer..

I would like to know how many that have alzheimer, had nerve twitching or sleeplessnes or restlessness long before they got mental simptoms..  .      
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 24, 2011, 3:18am; Reply: 15
Quoted Text
impressed by the nerve connection to the brain.. in neuropathy


and don t underestimate the gut, our second brain, so to speak.....it is all connected,
and the thyroid.......and so on..... :)
Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:15am; Reply: 16
Goldie instead of looking for something you MIGHT get down the road why don't you FOCUS on a POSITIVE attitude.

I remember everything I need to remember.
I keep my brain active daily.
I read and comprehend daily.
I am controlling my diabetes.

Use I statements like above and believe them.  Don't say I will remember that is in the future, say I remember, that is in the present, and you brain will get that message.

When I was walking using a walker, my physical therapist, taught me to do this. Even though I was using a walker.  I said outloud every hour or two.  I am walking with my cane.  and soon I was.  Then I changed it to "I am walking on my own"  and soon I did and continue to do that.  Right now, I am focusing on standing for longer periods of time without feeling the pain I have. I am still working on that one, but I'm trying.  I am not in pain when I am standing for awhile.  (that is my sentence.  

Try and see if it helps you.  I know it will, if you do it.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 24, 2011, 5:20am; Reply: 17
Quoted from geminisue
Right now, I am focusing on standing for longer periods of time without feeling the pain I have. I am still working on that one, but I'm trying.  I am not in pain when I am standing for awhile.  (that is my sentence).

The problem with your "Pain" sentence is that you have a negative (not) in it...  The brain doesn't process the "not" properly...  Try to not think about an elephant.  You will always come up with the elephant picture...

Change the sentence to something like "I am comfortable after standing for long periods."  I think you'll have greater success.
Posted by: geminisue, Thursday, February 24, 2011, 6:27am; Reply: 18
Thank You AB JOE   you are right  I will change it to

"I am pain free when standing"

that should do it.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:29pm; Reply: 19
The brain Thinking part is easy to change.   I agree with the above whole heartedly..
Yet: The 'structure' (bones and tissue) of the body and brain never forgets unless one deals with it....

The PHYSICAL brain is a challenge that hinges on first 'recognizing' that it might be 'mal' forming or losing its ability to function properly.

My first post was written after I digested several factors such as (still) not remembering that one noun-- you would know the answer but I am forcing my brain to come up with it on it's own-- UNTIL JUST NOW.. a second ago it came up with the word!!!!!!  as I am typing this sentence :::BALSAMIC vinegar..  

OK.... having solved that mistery.. I am not talking about my feeling doomed.. even though I might be-- but that is for later--  WHAT I am proposing is that Neuropathy actually, POLI-neropathy is on issue that people feel much earlier than is paid attention to.  One thinks of feet or hands with cramping, burning pain or feeling numb in those areas..   I AM proposing that POLI, meaning all over, is the issue here and should not be overlooked by anyone.

IF as I am supposing, that nerve damage is ONE of the early signs of diabetes, or the early effects of sugar imbalances, then it ought to be looked at as something to be dealt with in much more direct understanding of its implication -that- the BRAIN (which we basically have no feeling in, IS ALSO potentially affected by the same effects of (eventually) certain parts 'numbing' also.  

The brain STRUCTURE is a fluid thing.  Obviously as Geminisue is pointing out, use it or lose it!.. and using our body and thinking might well be one aspect of exercising brain muscles.. but first the muscles have the opportiunity to be in good physical 'shape'.

So chicken or the egg .. statistically the alzheimers connection to diabetes is enormous.. !!! YES! .... OR is the early damage from POLI-NEUROPATHY, contributing to alzheimers?? in a much bigger way then diabetes, by aFFECTING THE STRUCTURE OF THE BRAIN!

Look, I am way out of my league here, but recognizing on ISSUE is half the cure.  LIKE for instance in this situation, after this 2 month for which I chose to spend a great deal of cash on certain suplements, I will deffinitly look forward to dealing with the NERVE damage connections, comes the end of April.  The connections from brain to heart, from brain to pancreas, pancreas to the intestines, and from intestines back to the brain is what I am intent on repairing- dealing with the potential structural damage, or in the very least,  prevent further structural nerve damage.

I happen to have mechanical equipment, that when I use it, can and does make a great difference in Neuropaty, takes away the pain, reduces that pain to nothing, corrects muscle function and has in the past stopped or reversed nerve burning, twitching, and creeping numbness.  I am lucky that way.. I bought the -neuro- bio(body) feed back equipment years ago, for helping other peolpe, but today IT serves ME best by preventing all those symptoms form getting worse, and reversing some as well.

I have seen reversals of enormous swollen feet and legs, back to their regular size, once again showing the calf and shin bones.. I have seen stagnent blood vessels (all dark blue) nealy dissapear with the equipment, and so I know it works in cases much worse then what I reasilze I might be facing.  

I realised this (for ME ) the other evening -- after someone mentioned the issue with not remembering NOUNS!! and the much highr connections then expected, between diabetes and BRAIN issues / specifc alzheimers.

I forgot two Nouns that first night, one is not important, but the 'Vinegar' is importnat.. as it just slipped my mind again for 5 seconds again.. Balsamic ..   is a noun .. and that is what is important.  What is importnat is that I see the POTENTIAL in fixing some of this BRAIN issue..along with the feet.   BUT ONLY NOW since I recognized IT as on issue worth actively dealing with!!

This for me is not a doomsday scenario--  but one to look at positively! and for me even with a little humor.. because if I really felt doomed I would be crushed.. but instead I am sharing this 'thinking' with my late night meandering mind,  that we can do something about so many things .. why not this.. !

The encyclopedia will be of enormous help, but I have not looked at it yet.

--- I am stunned at how fast the weight and acid reflux supplements from DPN are helping me.. I have been on them for a short two weeks and I am remarkably better.  I slept a whole night without waking up for hours (other then bathroom visits.) I have not done so for many years!  This morning after I got up I checked my pulse -- and while it may be early morning, never the less it is much slower then the usual racing around 90 beats per minute.  So you see, IF I recognize what I need to do then I and (others)  like me have THE best opportiunity from here and DPN to make good.

Now if only spellcheck would work on this loaner computer then I would be better of already...  ;D
    
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:15pm; Reply: 20
alzheimners often is induced by intoxications, merely metallic-ones... so far... :-/
but the question of diabetic neuropathies is one to come along with....yup ....

affirmations really work fine .........(smarty)(clap)(ok)(dance)
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:53pm; Reply: 21
ha metal you say...

I worked 10 years with row mercury on my fingers.. I had mercury fillings from age 2.5 til 57, I needed root canals in all my teeth, exept 6, I had 6 metal crowns for 30 years, and then 6 teeth implants for 10 years in titanium and gold crowns over 20 teeth.. and then a hip replacement in titanium..with gold copings and plastic crowns over all that......  Metal you say. ;D. oh yes indeed. :'(.  and there is nothing I can do about but understand- :o

so what ever else I am doing is just window dressing .. I wish I was not so willing to spend whatever it took to make my teeth stay in my mouth, instead had gone on vacation with all the thousands, or pay for a house,.

I think some of my dentists needed new cars every so often..  ::)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 24, 2011, 7:26pm; Reply: 22
for alzheimers the key-word is or better said might be la causa mercury... and yup malheureusement... the fillings for teeth.... :P :-/(hand)
but you can do in prevention with aminoacids, herbs and orthomolecular stuffs from the finest and jaou that works amazingly,  but you've to proceed constantly... and in the right amounts.... please have an eye into the canadian's they 're justamente great in their results as well.... :D :K) :K) :K) from Isa
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, February 27, 2011, 2:38pm; Reply: 23
The Neuro- nerve connection is a big one.. There are so many who suffer 10 years before the diabetes label surfaces.. I wonder could we avoid some of the diabetes progress if we treated every thing we suffer with FOOOOOOOD!  for years in advance of getting full blown illnesses..

after all we do refresh our body?? why not nerve damage??  not with pills but FOOD good for nerves.. THIS ought to be a big topic here..  
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, February 27, 2011, 4:11pm; Reply: 24
btw. boswellia serrata is a fine tip for brain,nerve and other issues ;).... dito pancreati-ones.... :D google it and you'll be astonished what's all about it ;) :K) from Isa
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, February 27, 2011, 9:27pm; Reply: 25
I wish you the best Goldie.  You have a positive attitude, that is important.  Keep your brain active to develop new neurons.

I am curious about tasting 7 items as a test for Alzheimer’s.  I tied to Google it, but couldn’t find the list.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 28, 2011, 12:14am; Reply: 26
my computer crashed but after it gets restored I 'hope' to find it and post the list..
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 28, 2011, 12:29am; Reply: 27
NOW why today did I not get a headache?? I did nothing either way.. good bad or different.. so why?

what is it about muscles/nerves being miserable some times and others not at all.  
Posted by: Kumar, Monday, February 28, 2011, 8:34am; Reply: 28
Dr D: eight or more loops (ulnar) in your finger prints correlate with Alzheimers' risk. I have all 10! So have you checked your finger prints? All forgetting is not Alzs. I also read once that low serum HDL, high triglycerides also correlate with Alz, and my conditions match these. I found three advices for Alz prone persons:

1. Regular walking (best form of physical exercise)
2. Some brain teasing puzzles (mental exercise)
3. Nutritous food (for brain tissues)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:50pm; Reply: 29
Kumar..LOL  I have 9 loops! and all the rest yopu are talking about .. BUT THAT
is not my concern here!!!  I am really pointing out that the NEUROPATHY is the
first show of something wrong!.. something needing attention and needing to be
fixed.

MY intestines where on issue from the start, and no one did anything about it.  
you can skip to the end few sentences in the next post ... if you wish.. )

Part 1 of 2 ...

Quoted Text
Andrea:   Sounds like gastroparesis.  


[/color> Ohhhhh, I had about 168 x-ray taken of my stomach by age 30.. but no one knew
what to do!! finally at 32 my stomach PAINS went away after I stopped eating
milk.. and that was a good thing.  I used to be  doubled over, and only going to
be horizontal helped!  but NO ONE DID anything about that either.  NOW I KNOW
since a day or so that just because I did not have pain any more, my intestinal
tract still was not MAGICALLY fixed to perfection.  DR D. was on to something
later, but not just .. stopping the dairy... but also suggesting some healing
sups - but he came many years later.. and I felt fine compared to my early
years. I was regular and all was well inside.  OR WAS I... not really.. but..

For about 20 years I was on many over the counter painkiller pills for neck
pain that I treated with every kind of doctor method and exercise and weight
training.. I was in agony from on accident.. I took the pills I need.  not heavy
stuff I sayed away from that but I am one of those who took more then 9000
Tylenol's.. so my kidneys will be on issue some day.  and no one did anything
about that either.. they did not know how.. and except for DrD no one ever
considered the effect on my intestines.. some of the early years before Tylenol
contained much caffeine, so again DrD was concerned in the right places.. but he
was not around yet.. and I functioned enough to work to have insurance for MD's
and money to use for alternatives.. Much money as I spent it all on trying to
get better.. finally acupuncture helped me to get over the worst pain.. and I
found that MANGANESE in Ligaplex ll  helped me with the rest of the pain.   I
took hundreds of them, but at least they helped me in a non caffeine way!! (
until I crashhhhhhed from the lack of caffeine-- I suffered for weeks --
wondering if I was never going to stop crying.. LIFE was good - I had the best
time socially for that period - so at least I could make it through until "I"
discovered that it was the dramatic cut in caffeinated pills that caused my over
active crying screaming nervus sensitivity problems.  ONCE "I" figured it out
the cure was simple.. and no one even thought of my intestines.  

By the time I was 52 .. I had read all the books on the subject before to and
did some things after "I" got pneumonia.. in the olden days I would have been
dead long ago, but the pneumonia was a wake up call, so I decided to treat my
intestines to a cleans - I was diligent and serious, I was going to wash out all
the bad left over bacteria out of my body according to the great books by Dr
Bernard Jensen-- his advice saved some of me.. ..but still I did not focus on my
intestens as I had done all the cleanses and had added all the supps suggested..
I was diligently making fresh juices no matter the cost... but when I was
getting ever more supps suggested by my alternative care giver I became weary
and tired of the cost and the taste..

And then entered Dr. D with all his books.  I read them, and I knew he was
right from the first to the last pages.. but I never read I MUST!!!! put stuff
into me to HEAL my gut.   Oh yes he mentions it every where, but I never made
the connection.  I was in the throws of menopause, with hot flashes and all the
rest, becoming a widow and losing my job.. I had no idea on why I should bother
with my intestines -- "I" was regular andf that at least was working.. I did
have some issues with dryness, but with a little help that was dealt with easy.  
It did bother me, as my mom had developed her 3rd and 4th cancer, all
independent of each other.. over 35 years she had uterin, then bladder, then
anal, an finally colon cancer.. all dealt with ny cutting it out.. .. but by now
it was clear that I did not have her genes.. I was doomed to get diabetes
instead.. With Dr D "I" pushed that condition out a long way.. 15 years in
fact.. and still no one dealt with my intestines for the right reasons.. I did
not tone in to ME enough, after all by now I was functioning ok .. or was "I"??

Then came GENO, the handsome guy with all sorts of new advice, new discoveries
and again PERMISSION to llok at ME and make me most important.. I went on the
new diet and hell broke lose.. I was no facing diabetes.. I hate it and I fight
for and against it.. but no one dealt with my intestines.. and by now I have
some soft hard or diuretic issues .. but I am still regular.. so all is well?  
NO.. but "I" did nothing about it.

Comes a few days ago when I started the post about early  NEUROPATHY as a sign
of all sorts of problems.. first I centered it around diabetes as a symptom then
I deducted that it will eefect my propensity for Alzheimers,  and the wheels
where turning and finally "I" developed issues with swallowing supplements
(again many of them - meds and the sups from DPN)  and then in the other thread
about 'swallowing' Andrea the nurse suggested that I have a condition.. about
which I knew nothing but when I read about it, I am certain I had something like
it all MY life.  

The one certain thing I had all my life was NERVE- MUSCLE-  COMMUNICATION
pain.. first in my belly the in my neck and back and always in my intestines.  
all my pill taking, and all my early stomach pains had numbed my intestines.. to
the point where I always had a biger  belly..  and finally as of  about 5 years
ago, my upper stomach also distended -.so no waist. and I HAVE NO idea what
stomach muscles feel like.. after all I am leaving sleeping dogs right where
they are.. until today!!

Over night "I" was mulling over all that I read.. and now I know why I have a
big over the waist bulge.. and now I know why.. my intestines are not
functioning as they should.. and no one has done anything about it.. what with
all my history -- I was doing fine?? NOT!  but no one knew what to do about it.

...... EXCEPT Dr D.. he kept nagging at fixing the insides, the gen stuff, the
loops on the fingers, the long term stuff, and his words HERE make all the
difference.. he keeps it up, he is unrelenting, he keeps educating and expanding
and he suggests and suggests again and again.. FIX your DESTINY!!!! Dr D knew!

So here I am making a long post.. and starting to do something aboput it.  
Maybe it was Andrea LOL, or it was my thinking about nerve damage- in the legs - in
the neck- in the brain- in the heart muscles- and finally my newest
CONNECTION---- IN MY INTESTINES !!.. POLY-NEUROPATHY is every where.. poly means
all over.. so the intestines are also included..  No wonder I can not swallow
correctly, no wonder I can be stuffed and hungry at the same time, no wonder I
can have hard excrements and diarrhea right after.. no wonder! I can be afraid
of food or hunger at the same time.. MY BODY KNEW all along.. my brain is coming
along slowly!

Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:52pm; Reply: 30
Part 2 of 2  

Quoted Text
Andrea:  Sounds like gastroparesis.


Today!.. Today is a new day..  and I don't know where I am ending up, but I am starting
to do some things hoping to be right.. I am going to continue my supps as
advised to swallow per Geminisue and others.. thanks, and  I am going to (at
least try) to do a liquid diet, to give my intestines some rest.

During the day I will use the Protein Powder from Dr D and use the many cups
of vegetables suggested by Swami and juice them and drink my veggies as I have
suggested many times.. I will eat dinner as always.. and 2 servings of whole
fruit.

And after I am done with that and the sups for weight loss in a month or so,
then I will see and know much more then even today.. I will read SERIOUSLY again
all there is to read in the Encyclopedia and learn what sups to take next.  IF I  
am lucky as I think I am enormously..I will do well and not suffer to many
headaches.. (another nerve pain!)  and I will lose weight, and my intestines
will heal.. I have a 5 week plan.. and my new food chart will help me to stay on
track.. I love it.. and all who helped me along the way 16 years ago when I made
my first years of postings and now when my computer allowed me to come back..
(it kept throwing me out for 5 years ))  but now I am here again with Swami, YOU
ALL and DrD's words and DPN supps finally fixing my intestines AND my internals
/ my nerves head to towes - and by doing so, I might some day be able to:  
CHANGE MY DESTINY...


If you read this far who ever you are .. I hope you learned something.. but I
am grateful no matter what.. IT WAS YOU ALL that brought me here.. immmmmagine
LOOPS all the way from NEPAL.. (I knew Hillary in person long ago.. ) the world
is a small place!..   8)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, February 28, 2011, 5:51pm; Reply: 31
always check the correlation on loops and GT

whorls in an A GT will not have the same outcome as on an O GT, and so on....
genetics go hand in hand with physiology
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:38pm; Reply: 32
Goldie,
This might be some interesting reading for you on Choline:
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=50
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, February 28, 2011, 7:24pm; Reply: 33
I have decided that I would do DPN protocols one after the other and then see which one is the best- and should know in a year or so what is what.  Right now I am on like 10 things.. enough for my taste as I get overwhelmed quick enough and then I can not take any sups for a while..

I think I want to concentrate on the MOTILITY, filling and emptying my stomach and the intestines to the point where I will 'feel' them which I never have.  I had two states of being.. stuffed or hungry/ and no wonder as I am hypoglycemic  at all times.

Yet  I am looking at the nerve issues as the most important as Neuropathy is something that is all over the body.. it controls the fluids and the stagnations resulting from poor circulations with nerves fiering at odd times and not at others... I think neropathy is way over looked...
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 12:14am; Reply: 34
My sups..regimen

Bladderwrack 1a day for metabolic support.. good for me or not.. It's on the list, so it better be good for me!!!! and you all said it was good.. haha


OK currently I am taking the weight loss sups.. and then I added others as I went on.. I am doing it for 2 month.. then I will change what needs to be changed.. I DO hope that one of them will stop my near daily 5 hour headache..

Today I decided that I could 'afford' to go on a liquid diet in part.. in the EXPECTATION that I will move the scale, that I will shake up my innards and make a difference of some sort.. so I am doing protein drink all day and supper, meat and vegetables early.. plus  


Bladderwrack 1a day for metabolic support.. good for me or not.. It's on the list so it better be good for me!!!! and you all said it was good.. haha

Quercetic.. 2 at night on Anti Oxident on empty stomach.
Bromelain 4 x day for Inflammatary Digestive issues started today.
Deflect 2 a day for Lectin Blocking
Gastro D complex 2x2 for Stomach  support for Avoids.

=Catalyst 1 a day for Genotrophic support for Gatherers =
=Glycosia 1 each L & D Blood Sugar levels  = one of the last two lets me SLEEP all NIGHT!!!


Genomas a few left over from before..1 a day  to balance the immune system
Attentia leftover from before 1x2 a day for my brain..

protein powder in warm water its ok
and if I could swallow it the Harmonia..way to fishy.. I will give it away..

=== I am not certain that anything is going to matter, but for now it's what I am taking.. and the Acid reflux is better and I sleep properly!!!!!!!!

OK!  I am hoping that all that will make HUGE difference.. and for a while I will do this 'suplement crazyness'.. and at some point I will run out of cash.. that will be the day when I am going to eat and use food as my medicines.. again.  (In fact I cancelled my Dr D apointment in favor of taking the sups.. its a choice for now..)

THYROID or not, I dont know, but I am taking the FUCUS and HOLD MY NOSE because of FISH smell.. and I am being polite..  

Monthly, I do the Iodine test on my upper arm, and seem to be ok even though I eat no fish and only sea salt (minus the iodine added),

Weekly I take weekly the 5HTP for hormone balancing and that has helped me to have COURRAGE to do what I need to do.. like deciding to do this == not less nor more.. (for now)  wish me luck..

I typed this as much for you as for me.. and let me say in the Neuropathy Diabetes Brain connection thread I typed the whole story of why I think I need this.. for now I am married to it.. haha  ;D


Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 3:39am; Reply: 35
lecithin has choline
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 12:29pm; Reply: 36
Lola Thanks.. but I am here I am looking for another quick fix in this thread, but really take a look at Neropathy, its results in brain damage and now sleep... its conditions and CAUSES..

One of the signs for alzheimers is poor sleep, this intrgues me now more then ever.  I no longer accept that menopause issues alone cause that.. I want to know more.. because...

I am NOW convinced that one of these two have CAUSED me to sleep all night for the 6th day.. I have never done that since I was a young woman..

Quoted Text
=Catalyst 1 a day for Genotrophic support for Gatherers =
=Glycosia 1 each L & D Blood Sugar levels  = one of the last two lets me SLEEP all NIGHT!!!


I dont even care which one does what, or for now what is in them..  I know that something workes, because today I woke up feeling as if my MUSCLES are not being held up by stff nerves.. It's a wierd feeling.. If I had to describe it it would be as if I am jelly holding together but having no central core.. I feel so relaxed.. like I let go of a hundred sharp nails no longer threatening me... wierd..

I am just as before in this thread convinced that neuropathy has plagued me ever since I had on accident at age 27.  I suffered pain and all sorts of issues, could write another 2 pages on that, but have done so before, but here I AM now addressing the nerve issues as if that was a big discovery. The discovery that the nerves are responsible for having woken me up or kept me awake for years.. to where I thought that is how life is..

I am out on a linmb here, but I have seen Neuropothy make people not be able to sit or stand quetly or for that matter stay in bed .. I hav eseen the people suffer and all sorts of things going wrong because the organs where either drowning in their fluids or kept stagnant and unable to discharge the energy it takes to mak ethem work,  like I said I am on a limb here, but not from where I sit.  I know that if a oragn can be activated to do what it is supposed to do then it will do it to a large degree.  BUt if the organ is helped to drain itself, and nothing added to RESTORE then nothing really has changed..

I am going to continue on this thread later, but for now I know that I am on to something here and the sleep pattern shows it.  I have not felt compelled to get up or turn on tv for the noise to lull me back to sleep in 6 nights.. something has changed..

The indigestion, the dmage done to nerves by sugar issues, or neropathy that makes a person feel restless all night, something is different..    
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 5:33pm; Reply: 37
:)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 6:50pm; Reply: 38
That Gatherer Catalyst!  Wonderful stuff for you.  :)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 7:28pm; Reply: 39
Well, if your blood sugar drops too low at night while you sleep, my understanding is that the adrenals might release some cortisol to circulate some glucose.  But that can stimulate you and cause you to wake up.

I wish I had time right now to read every post in this thread thoroughly.  I'm scheduled for a nerve conduction test tomorrow to figure out why my hands and fingers are losing sensation.  I've questioned my doctor about blood sugar and reported cravings, but there's no response to that, except that my fasting blood test has blood sugar in the normal range.  I really wonder what my blood sugar does right after I eat.  I'm tempted to find a cheap used monitor and test myself for a while.

Then there was that time on a Valentine's Day that I ate a huge amount of chocolate.  Later that night, when I went outside with the dog, I had vision trouble.  Everything appeared veiled, as if I was looking at everything through cheesecloth.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:01pm; Reply: 40
there are others here who know more about the effects of low sugar then I would know about..

but the neuropath I know about is of a different evaluation.. I am maintaining for now that while indeed the nerves in hands and feet are the earliest 'signs' of diabetes..  they are also possible damage in the brain, by loosing their effectiveness and therefore affect the brain as well.. I am less aware of thinking issues per se- but the other day I deffinitly could not remember a Noun.. and its nouns that show the loss of brain ability.. again I am just presuming this as I have no one to agree with this - so far- BUT I am absolutely convinced that protecting, repairing our nerve pathways is way more important.. even the loss of feeling is only a symptom. The question is what can one do for nerves.. YES they have pills but will the pills repair or just deal with the results.. or could we take supps that would heal all the components of what surrounds them..

I toook the nerve test and they cinfirmed some damage.. but the answer was a pill ..and keeping sugar in check.. In the end of the day it seems the to low something  ?glucose? is dangerous, and to high does damage.. but that is simplistic..  as is this thread, but I have never pain on my head on the outside every day with a fierce headache for 5 hours and then it goes away.. food and sugar and the like don't matter.. I can get it any time but most often it is syclical every 24 hours with painkillers or not..

I look forward to seeing you here so we can hash this out..      
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:03pm; Reply: 41
what does the catalist do??

I wish I knew ..  but I take so much stuff that I can not tell one from the other..  
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 9:00pm; Reply: 42
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT2CAT
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 9:49pm; Reply: 43

Gatherer Catalyst Strategy:

    * Magnolia Extract: Magnolia bark (Magnolia officinalis) is a traditional Chinese medicine that has been used for thousands of years to treat "stagnation of qi" (low energy), help ease digestion, and support emotional well-being. Our Magnolia Extract is a standardized herbal extract made from the bark of the Magnolia officinalis tree. Research has indicated that magnolia extract has a calming effect and helps reduce occasional tension in part by binding to adenosine and GABA receptors. In addition, animal studies suggest that magnolia extract may promote positive mood and calm occasional physical and emotional stress. because of its cortisol modulating effects, Magnolia may help with contolling binge eating when stressed.

    * Alpha Lipoic Acid: Lipoic Acid is found inside every cell of the body, where it helps generate the energy that keeps us alive and functioning. Lipoic acid is a key part of the metabolic machinery that turns glucose (blood sugar) into energy for the body's needs. Lipoic acid is an antioxidant, which means that it neutralizes naturally occurring but harmful chemicals known as free radicals.

    * Methylcobalamin:This is the 'biologically active' form of vitamin B12. Methylcobalamine helps promote proper nerve function, helps strengthen the blood, and enhances DNA repair (methylation).

    * Iodine: Iodine from kelp (Fucus vesiculosis) helps normlize the thyroid and enhance the metabolism. Many “kelp” and “bladder wrack” supplements are not Fucus vesiculosis, and are not as effective. Fucus blocks many lectins from attaching to the body's cells. Our Fucus product is the highest quality, organic, freeze dried, and unlike the tinctures, high in fucose.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 9:55pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Lola
lecithin has choline


It's easy to add a spoonful of lecithin everyday, no need to swallow more pills.

*****************

Support of Nervous System Activity

Choline is a key component of acetylcholine, a messenger molecule found in the nervous system. Acetylcholine, also called a neurotrasmitter since it carries messages from and to nerves, is the body's primary chemical means of sending messages between nerves and muscles. Because of its role in nerve-muscle function, choline (supplemented in the form of lecithin, or phosphatidylcholine), has been used experimentally to help improve neuromuscular function in Alzheimer's disease.

Maintenance of Cell Membrane Integrity

Choline is a key component of many fat-containing structures in cell membranes. Since cell membranes are almost entirely composed of fats, the membranes' flexibility and integrity depend on adequate supplies of choline. Membrane structures that require choline include phosphatidylcholine and sphingomyelin. In the brain, these fat-like molecules account for an unusually high percentage of total solids, so choline is particularly important for brain health, and its potential for use in brain disorders is great.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 10:44pm; Reply: 45
thus the benefit of a MFC daily, which you do Vics, right? ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:18pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Lola
thus the benefit of a MFC daily, which you do Vics, right? ;)

I do, Dear.  In one form or another!  
(blush)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:17am; Reply: 47
grateful for the info.. I am woncering in the end what all will be good for the brain body nerve connections..

I will eventually sort out which one allowes me to sleep..

THANKS for info and links..  
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:26am; Reply: 48
Goldie, you can always rotate different supplements, just to keep it all manageable.
Posted by: Desiree, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 3:52am; Reply: 49
god! I like you people - so frikin' smart.  Thanks Victoria - it is really very important for me to know why I consume what I do, what its doing, how its beneficial and how its working.   :D
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:34am; Reply: 50
Quoted from Victoria
Goldie, you can always rotate different supplements, just to keep it all manageable.



I some times rotate by what is on sale.

This month it is the GenoType 3 packs:

http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=49
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:16am; Reply: 51
Quoted from Desiree
god! I like you people - so frikin' smart.  Thanks Victoria - it is really very important for me to know why I consume what I do, what its doing, how its beneficial and how its working.   :D


I'm glad you're here, too!!  (ok) (blush)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:31pm; Reply: 52
This Neuropathy thingy is just taking another friend of mine to task, he will not be not getting diabetes .. but he is flying away soon and experiencing leg cramps in one leg for a while now(suddenly)  this thing hits all sorts of people.  

is no one here having had nerve pains?
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 3:47pm; Reply: 53
I strongly suggest stopping supplementing with unnatural stated minerals(minerals that aren't amino acid chelated) as they easily turn to toxins in your body.
Buy 1 oz Nanocolloidal Detox Factors(NDF) and use.

Brahmi, periwinkle, snowdrop(or galantamine which is found in it), gotu kola, clubmoss(or Huperzine A which is found in it), rhodiola rosea, rosemary, ginkgo biloba are herbs you cna use for the problem.
You can buy some of them on this site: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com
Then you can mix one spoon of all in a jar. Then use one or two teaspoon of the mix directly with your dinner, this will make you a little more sleepy in some time. Or for the best use of it, mix one or two teaspoon of it with alcohol in small coffee mugs with 2-4 spoon red wine or 2-4 spoon something which has a higher alcohol ratio. Leave the mugs waiting for 3 days and drink one of them every night before going to bed. This will directly help move you to the bed.

Another option may be mixing clubmoss(or Huperzine A which is found in it), rhodiola rosea, rosemary, ginkgo biloba in one jar and using it similarly in the mornings. And mixing Brahmi, periwinkle, snowdrop(or galantamine which is found in it), gotu kola, ginkgo biloba in another jar and using it similarly before going to bed.

Using in the morning and in the evening may be better.

You probably know that you need some low toxin fish. For astaxanthin add pink lentils to your diet. Make sure you eat some fish or meat or chicken, 4-8 oz in total everyday. Use camelina oil. Try one raw egg yolk a day. Eat at least 2 oz dark green leafy vegetables a day. You can also use chia seeds or chia oil.
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 3:51pm; Reply: 54
For not absorbing toxins of fish use chlorella at the same time with eating the fish.
Posted by: Tom Martens, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:30pm; Reply: 55
Hi Goldie.

Are you getting enough exercise?  Are you doing mentally challenging exercise like aerobics?

Is your beef intake adequate?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:38pm; Reply: 56
use harmonia and live cell.....best chelators out there!


magnesium oil rubbed in periodically helps
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:39pm; Reply: 57
ONUR.. thanks but you left me way back there..

what problem are you addressing??  the nerves or the alzheimers, or what?

I am unclear what you know the suggested sups to do..

as I mentioned way above, I am currently using all sort of stuff for 2 month, then after that I will re-evaluate.

For me I am lucky to own a ONDAMED equipment that really makes a big difference in Poli- Neuropathy.. but I am still interested in finding the nerve connection sups that will make that a problem solved for ever.. so that if ever I would get alzheimers I would not get it for nerve damage.. nervedamage which is a PRE- curser ( in my mind) for diabetes.

The ONDAMED also helps with the issues of pancreas damage, but again I wish to get to the bottom of that in some way also.

Right now for me to get off dead center I am trying to fix my acid reflux with sups .. and eating differently.. have not seen many results in the few days but my upper stomach is less bulgy.. and that is what I am looking to achieve..

so I am on a journey as you can see.. thanks  8)
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 7:03pm; Reply: 58
Goldieshatz...what's about blogging ??) ;) ;D ....
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, March 3, 2011, 5:58am; Reply: 59
was meinst Du?
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, March 3, 2011, 4:59pm; Reply: 60
I am setting out to see what else I can do to my nerve impulses.. I am determined to see this through to some outcome other then waht the NERVES are doing.  I am eating differently, for now ( liquid during the day) and I expect that healing the gut will make a big difference.. and then the muscles might actually "think" of contracting here or there, or at least uptake what is given in the form of sups..

and if I can and wish .. to loose some pounds then I will be even better of.. at least I hope so..  ;D
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Saturday, March 5, 2011, 5:40pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from Goldie
ONUR.. thanks but you left me way back there..

what problem are you addressing??  the nerves or the alzheimers, or what?

I am unclear what you know the suggested sups to do..

as I mentioned way above, I am currently using all sort of stuff for 2 month, then after that I will re-evaluate.

For me I am lucky to own a ONDAMED equipment that really makes a big difference in Poli- Neuropathy.. but I am still interested in finding the nerve connection sups that will make that a problem solved for ever.. so that if ever I would get alzheimers I would not get it for nerve damage.. nervedamage which is a PRE- curser ( in my mind) for diabetes.

The ONDAMED also helps with the issues of pancreas damage, but again I wish to get to the bottom of that in some way also.

Right now for me to get off dead center I am trying to fix my acid reflux with sups .. and eating differently.. have not seen many results in the few days but my upper stomach is less bulgy.. and that is what I am looking to achieve..

so I am on a journey as you can see.. thanks  8)


I didn't really read all, my message was mostly about alzheimers. So your health condition is neuropathy?

I wouldn't use vitamin b6 if I were you because it can damage nerves a lot, and I'd use some vitamin b2 to stop excess unactivated(b2 activates b6) vitamin b6 harm you, b2 can solve some symptoms of b6 caused symptoms.
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Saturday, March 5, 2011, 5:42pm; Reply: 62
And never aspartame or other artificial sweeteners. http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/hidden_dangers.htm
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 5, 2011, 6:39pm; Reply: 63
since when are those advised in anyone's list???? :-/
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