I was extremely surprised to measure my daughter and to find that, according to the GTD measurements AND in spite of my lying eyes, she has a longer torso than legs!  Let me show you!

Below is a link to a sequence of a photos of Dorothy.  Hit the "next" arrow to see the progression:

In photo 1: Dorothy's basic photo - age 12, height: 52", weight 75 lbs. Notice how she is "spidery" - all legs and arms!  Appears to have no body whatsoever...

Of course her body is shorter than her legs, your eyes say!  The next photo (2) shows you the illusion more clearly.  The red line is at her natural waist and the top of her shoulders:  

BUT,

when measured using the GTD methods, the final photo shows that she is ACTUALLY longer torso'd than legged.  Here is the progression:

[img] https://picasaweb.google.com/EquiPro2008/DorothyGTDMeasurements?authkey=Gv1sRgCNCBz8aByIrWrwE#5569876992034063362 [/img]


( I wanted to insert the photos, but couldn't)

Lesson learned?  ALWAYS measure!

BTW, after fingerprints, etc., it turns out that, even with a longer torso than legs, she is, very clearly, a HUNTER!

Her body shape is the typical I would not bother to measure. Her legs certainly look longer than her torso. I think she is going to be quite tall with very aesthetic proportions. I guess BTD for her till she finishes growing.

:K)

Optical illusions are misleading.  Another case of doing the work like reading the labels!  We all know what assume spells, don't we?  8)

I'm "bumping" this, just because I really think that it's important, and I'm hoping to save someone some measuring mistakes or incorrect assumptions.  

Here is the link I made showing a measuring illusion.  Click on the "next" arrow above each picture to see my error!

https://picasaweb.google.com/EquiPro2008/DorothyGTDMeasurements?authkey=Gv1sRgCNCBz8aByIrWrwE#5569876992034063362

well if her torso is longer than her legs.........who are these people with longer legs than torso????
(she's adorable!)

Quoted from jayneeo

well if her torso is longer than her legs.........who are these people with longer legs than torso????
(she's adorable!)

ME!  I am built very, very similar to Dorothy BUT I have a much shorter neck and the length from my crotch to my navel is shorter.  If you saw us in similar outfits, side-by-side, you'd think that we were similar, but that her legs were even longer, proportionately,  than mine.

But upon a closer look, visually, it is clear that her neck is much longer than mine, her head is proportionately bigger (larger - I have a pretty small head for my shoulders/ body), and that's a large part of where she gets the inches in torso length!

Like I said...it's an illusion and measuring carefully is really important!  

I stickied this.  I feel it is a very important point.  :D

Debra :)

I am the same way... I do look like I have much longer legs than torso but it is just an illusion. My hips are quite narrow plus I have quite a long neck which together creates the illusion. Also... we are used to thinking of our torso as ending at the shoulders and not including the head.

Quoted from Kristin

I am the same way... I do look like I have much longer legs than torso but it is just an illusion. My hips are quite narrow plus I have quite a long neck which together creates the illusion. Also... we are used to thinking of our torso as ending at the shoulders and not including the head.

EXACTLY!!!  That's why I posted that link to the photos!  We think that short-WAISTED is the same as short-TORSO'd, and, from those photos, it's really clear how we can be visually fooled!

nevertheless, she still has a lot of growing to do......

I just remeasured myself after reading this. I always thought my legs were longer but now I found that my legs and torso are about equal. Is that an option in swami? It's time locked so I can't change it to see.

Quoted from Lola

nevertheless, she still has a lot of growing to do......

Oh, absolutely!  She's not yet really started her true growth, BUT, I'm positive that she is a Hunter, even if it ends up that her legs are longer than her torso.  She types out that way regardless!  I just wanted to use her as a very clear example of never assuming anything until measuring!

Another thing to notice:  Dorothy is VERY symmetrical!  If you look at her face, each side of her face is an EXACT mirror of the other, showing her Hunter genotype. Her father is the same.

The sides of my face are not symmetrical.  My eyes are on slightly different planes and are slightly different in size and shape.   Even my nose and mouth are not symmetrical, if divided down the middle, unlike hers, which match perfectly.  My father's features are even less symmetrical than are mine, to the point that it is strange how different the sides of his face are.

Quoted from Debra+

I stickied this.  I feel it is a very important point.  :D

Debra :)

Thanks!  Me, too!  I added one more photo to the group.  I have also added some photos showing examples of symmetry to this group.

https://picasaweb.google.com/EquiPro2008/DorothyGTDMeasurements?authkey=Gv1sRgCNCBz8aByIrWrwE#5569876992034063362

Rachel, My understanding to measure for torso, is the measurement to the top of the head, if this is correct, this her neck and head is counted in upper torso measurement, does that make a difference?  

Quoted from geminisue

Rachel, My understanding to measure for torso, is the measurement to the top of the head, if this is correct, this her neck and head is counted in upper torso measurement, does that make a difference?  

Exactly!  That's why her torso is longer than her legs, even though she is short-waisted.  Though she has almost no torso from her waist to her shoulders, she's long-necked, and long from her crotch to her waist....giving her a longer torso (in GTD terms and measures) than legs!

Great, from the picture, I didn't think you was counting the neck and head, but you are right the eyes really make her legs look longer!!

I read someplace (not here) that if you take mom's height in inches and dad's height in inches and divide by 2 you have the height, for children, (I think there is another step, if it's a boy you add so many inches and if a girl maybe subtract) been a long time, but that would be an estimate.  Also, read if you triple the height at one year of age, you get the height as an adult.

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It's time locked so I can't change it to see

contact swami support

Yes equal is an option, and you can call to have it unlocked!

Quoted from Debra+

I stickied this.  I feel it is a very important point.  :D

Debra :)

Umm good points - but if it is stickied, can something still be done about the misuse of "you're" instead of "your" before Italybound sees it lol

:D ;D(hehe)(hehe)(smarty)(clap)(cool)welldone roostersis :K)

Sure!  Sorry!  I DO know how to spell....

No probs; just a typo!! I can spell but I still make typos - & sometimes mental blank ones like their instead of there... ;) Txting doesn't help eh? ??) Oh & it was kind of a joke, so pls don't feel bad?!

I was doing the finger test. I  came out with both index finger and ring fingers on both hands are the same lenth. So were does that leave me?

length goes to the index....
read the part in the book

I'll wait for my book to get here & then will measure.  No way am I switching to Explorer.  Have already done Hunter diet.  But very good post & true.  Luckliy Gatherer really describes me & seems to be the best diet.  I did measure my fingers.....sort of.    :)

I had a similar type look as a kid, was also in dancing.  Haven't done all the measurements but likely a Hunter.    

Quoted from jayneeo

well if her torso is longer than her legs.........who are these people with longer legs than torso????
(she's adorable!)

Quoted from EquiPro

ME!  I am built very, very similar to Dorothy BUT I have a much shorter neck and the length from my crotch to my navel is shorter.  If you saw us in similar outfits, side-by-side, you'd think that we were similar, but that her legs were even longer, proportionately,  than mine.

But upon a closer look, visually, it is clear that her neck is much longer than mine, her head is proportionately bigger (larger - I have a pretty small head for my shoulders/ body), and that's a large part of where she gets the inches in torso length!

Like I said...it's an illusion and measuring carefully is really important!  

Me Too!
I am extremely short bodied, my neck is only maybe average length and i have a smallish head. My massage therapist tells me my ribs are very compacted together compared to the average person.

I'm very glad i saw this thread though. I had originally just assumed that my legs were "much longer" than my torso, but when i measured, i was surprised to see how close the 2 measurements were... so much so that i redid all of my measurements a few times. Turns out my legs are just over an inch longer than my torso... but to look at me you would think that it was much more.