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Posted by: Edward, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:23pm
Does anyone have any info about this? What about (inexpensive) vegan protien?
Also, I would like more info on herbs, specifically Northern/Western Europe and Northeastern US as applies to nomads. Also, what foods provide the proper probiotics for nomad/ B+?
Thanks
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:48pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from Edward
Does anyone have any info about this? What about (inexpensive) vegan protien?
Also, I would like more info on herbs, specifically Northern/Western Europe and Northeastern US as applies to nomads. Also, what foods provide the proper probiotics for nomad/ B+?
Thanks


Hi Edward,
I was vegan for a couple of years, plus vegetarian for 20 years.  I honestly don't recommend it because my health eventually suffered a lot.  But I can understand the choices that people may make for ethical purposes.

Your best bet is to get a copy of LR4YT and try and eat as many superfoods and diamonds as possible.  There will be a lot that your body needs as a type B Nomad that you won't be getting, so try and get as much as you can that is good for you.

The very best probiotic is the list you will find on the Polyflora B.  If for some reason you can't get that product, you can work from that list and find your own source.  http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT003B
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:55pm; Reply: 2
if you want a personalized detailed listing of what foods best suit your Nomad veg choice in life, get a SWAMI!!!
http://www.dadamo.com/clinic/swamigenotype.htm

To order the SWAMI software to create a personalized diet plan:
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 11:30pm; Reply: 3
Edward:
I have to stand with Victoria here and say that Nomad health is far, far better with animal protein included. I don't know your age or anything else about you, but consider this. I went through a couple of vegetarian/modified-vegetarian phases in my life, too. For sheer energy alone, some meat/fish/eggs is important.

Now let me qualify it in a way you may like: I do find that I'm comfortable without meat for a couple of days at a time sometimes. I think some of us need less meat than others do. So you might experiment with a small piece of fish a couple of times a week and see what that does for you. Or a little poultry. Eggs here and there from time to time, you know? When I follow the recommendations for meat, I tend to feel overloaded with it after a while and need to take a break from it. So moderating your animal protein intake to somewhat less than the recommendations can work, too. :)
Posted by: Edward, Monday, January 31, 2011, 9:31pm; Reply: 4
Thanks.
Why then, is say goat milk/meat not on the superfoods list?
Most of the heatding tribes ate soft cheese, etc., as opposed to aged cheese,  dodn't they?
If one really wanted to be true to this, then you can have meat...but you have tochase it down, kill, amd eat  the animal with your bare hands/teeth. No cheating - the ultimate in nutricious  fast food.  ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 31, 2011, 9:37pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Edward
Thanks.
Why then, is say goat milk/meat not on the superfoods list?
Most of the heatding tribes ate soft cheese, etc., as opposed to aged cheese,  dodn't they?
If one really wanted to be true to this, then you can have meat...but you have tochase it down, kill, amd eat  the animal with your bare hands/teeth. No cheating - the ultimate in nutricious  fast food.  ;)


Goat meat is a superfood on the Nomad list.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Monday, January 31, 2011, 11:29pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Victoria


Goat meat is a superfood on the Nomad list.


And delicious to boot!
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 12:00am; Reply: 7
Quoted from Edward
Does anyone have any info about this? What about (inexpensive) vegan protien?

Anybody who has The Genotype Diet book should have this information...  It is in a list in the Nomad section of the book...

Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 12:10am; Reply: 8
Quoted from ABJoe

Anybody who has The Genotype Diet book should have this information...  It is in a list in the Nomad section of the book...



That's right, page 274 - 275 in my hardbacked Genotype book.  Vegetable Proteins.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:25am; Reply: 9
Quoted from gulfcoastguy


And delicious to boot!


How do you fix it? It's a diamond on my SWAMI.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:34am; Reply: 10
Quoted from Captain_Janeway


How do you fix it? It's a diamond on my SWAMI.


You have to cook it one of two ways: fast and hot but not too long or slowly and at a low temperature. The first would be to take a steak and season it then grill it on a barbeque grill till it is medium rare but not more done than medium. The second is braising it in a dutch oven or slow cooker. I'm not familiar with acceptable marinades and seasonings for A's but marinating it in yogurt and curry spices really works for B's.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 4:02am; Reply: 11
Quoted from gulfcoastguy


You have to cook it one of two ways: fast and hot but not too long or slowly and at a low temperature. The first would be to take a steak and season it then grill it on a barbeque grill till it is medium rare but not more done than medium. The second is braising it in a dutch oven or slow cooker. I'm not familiar with acceptable marinades and seasonings for A's but marinating it in yogurt and curry spices really works for B's.


Thanks, I'll have to try it.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:06pm; Reply: 12
None of Dr. D'Adamo's diets are vegan. Even the Warrier diet, which is the lowest in meat, still includes animal protein (egg, fish, cheese, or poultry) about once a day.

While properly following the Nomad Diet, you can certainly have vegan snacks and vegan meals- as long as you also have some meals that include animal protein. Take a look at the portion sizes recomended in the book and do your best to follow them. If you're looking for ideas for vegan meals and snacks, see what vegetable proteins are listed for your type. Also don't forget to eat enough vegetables (AKA "live foods") and fruits.

If you're already a vegan and want to switch to the Nomad diet, you'll have to modify it. If you're not eating any of the animal foods recomended in the book, then you need to increase the portions of vegetable protiens and fats to compensate- and even then, you're not likely to see the same health results as you would if you included animal foods in your diet.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:14pm; Reply: 13
I have the least amount of animal protein allowed, being a Warrior. My beneficial foods are, that I get fish 3 x a week, I also can have 1 egg a day and yogurt, paneer, cottage cheese and kefir.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:38pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Edward
Does anyone have any info about this? What about (inexpensive) vegan protien?
Also, I would like more info on herbs, specifically Northern/Western Europe and Northeastern US as applies to nomads. Also, what foods provide the proper probiotics for nomad/ B+?
Thanks


Edward, what made you look into the Genotype diet? Did you not feel well as a vegan?  My son is a B Nomad, and he doesn't feel well if  he doesn't have meat.
Posted by: Edward, Monday, February 7, 2011, 6:33pm; Reply: 15
Suppose I'll have to stock up on yak butter soup...
Posted by: san j, Saturday, February 12, 2011, 6:36am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Edward
Suppose I'll have to stock up on yak butter soup...


Edward, you may need to walk by a barbecue grill that's got some lamb chops goin'. Or prime strip steaks or T-bones, y'know? The smell of that meat'll get you interested. Because just thinking about it isn't succeeding.

Ease your way toward it, and start with small portions, but - the difference is really pronounced, said the Nomadess. ;)

Posted by: Edward, Monday, February 21, 2011, 5:55pm; Reply: 17
The locals are grass/corn-fed, I'll wait till they slow dpwn. Meanwhile nuts and gruel seems to work. One reason I started this was for horrible gas, and except for beans, has mostly subsided; some foods like onions and garlic are reported to be anti-bacterial, so perhaps that has an effect on colon flora and fauna, but as seasoned as mexican food is, that didn't stop the bean-loving bacteria from chowing
down.
Posted by: Kelley, Saturday, February 26, 2011, 1:46pm; Reply: 18
Edward, I am a vegetarian B+ Nomad - I have found that drinking licorice root tea with beans helps reduce the gas.
If you have concerns about animal welfare, perhaps you could keep a chicken for the eggs? That way you would know she was being humanely treated.

Kelley
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, February 26, 2011, 5:19pm; Reply: 19
Beans need to be cooked with Kombu ( Eden foods) to reduce the gas
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, February 26, 2011, 7:42pm; Reply: 20
Welcome Edward & Kelly.  Where are you from?  My son is a Nomad and I can’t imagine him as a vegetarian.  I don’t know the differences in degrees.  Can Vegan have milk?  My son says it makes him feel good.  He’s not lactose intolerant.   Can you have cheese?
Posted by: Kelley, Saturday, February 26, 2011, 11:18pm; Reply: 21
I'm in East Texas. I became a vegetarian about 6 or 7 years ago, for ethical reasons, so I will not be going back to eating meat. Vegetarians generally will eat eggs and/or dairy products, but vegans will not. My health had neither gotten better nor worse since I became a vegetarian, but I am generally healthy and on no medications at the age of 47. My only real "health problem" is that I need to lose about 30 pounds.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, February 26, 2011, 11:58pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Edward
One reason I started this was for horrible gas, and except for beans, has mostly subsided;

Some ginger cooked with the beans or some Polyflora B would probably help repopulate the good gut flora so this wouldn't be an issue...  

It does take some time to get the gut happy.  The benefits you have already seen may be due to stopping ingesting the avoids and over time, it will correct by itself, or you can help it with the Polyflora...
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:20am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Kelley
I My only real "health problem" is that I need to lose about 30 pounds.


Losing weight as a vegan may be tough as a B :X. Being overweight at 47 is not the same as 25, by 47 women are entering perimenopause and things get complicated. Hormones and stress  :-/

Taking weight off initially may be easy as you get rid of many of the aviods but get harder as you reach your goal.

I work  as a nurse in Endoscopy.. I see a whole bunch of young B's with GI distress that are vegetarian.

Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, February 27, 2011, 1:35am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Andrea AWsec

I work  as a nurse in Endoscopy.. I see a whole bunch of young B's with GI distress that are vegetarian.


I became a vegetarian for ethical reasons, many years ago.  The first couple of  years, I liked how I was feeling;  my skin seemed to glow and I felt clean inside.  I was eating a lot of grains, cheese, fresh vegetables, homemade yogurt and beans.  I began to lose my muscle tone and develop digestive problems.  I started seeing my weight slowly creeping up, while my digestion became more sensitive and uncomfortable.  I was also finding myself depressed and moody a lot of the time.  6 years into my vegetarian lifestyle, my appendix ruptured.  

I continued with the vegetarian life for another 15 years, gaining more weight and losing more muscle.  I had chronic loose stools for 10 years and was having poor quality of sleep.  I gained a total of 30 pounds over those 20 years.  Finally I found myself with breast cancer and serious chronic fatigue.  That was nearly 13 years ago.  

Fortunately I met someone who was eating for their blood type and I jumped onboard.  I didn't know how my body would handle meat after so many years, but it was like someone had turned on all the lights and my cells woke up.  I've had a lot of healing to do and the good news is that it is working powerfully.  I've dropped all the weight easily and I sleep like a baby.  I haven't had any issues with depression and mood for years now. I really gave the vegetarian diet my best shot.  I don't do anything half way, so I hung in there with it a lot longer than I should have.
Posted by: Kelley, Sunday, February 27, 2011, 2:32am; Reply: 25
I have pretty much spent my entire life overweight, starting with being a very chubby baby (my mom said "In those days people thought babies were supposed to be fat.") . Most of my life I have eaten meat twice a day - and yet I was still overweight. So I can't blame the lack of meat for being overweight now. As a vegetarian I do get the USDA recommended amount of protein - so it is not a lack of protein that has made me overweight, or even a lack of animal protein since I do eat eggs and dairy. I would have to honestly say that I was a lot more depressed and moody when I was a meat-eater than I am now as a vegetarian. I did the Blood Type Diet while I was a meat-eater but didn't lose weight. I lost weight a few years ago by calorie-counting but hit the plateau at 20 pounds. Since then I have gained back 7 of those pounds. Losing weight has been a life-long, never-ending  project for me, but I see it as totally unrelated to eating or not eating meat.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, February 27, 2011, 2:34am; Reply: 26
hope you give gtd a serious try! :)
welcome!
Posted by: Edward, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 7:45pm; Reply: 27
I'm not much on factory farm fare, even though I like cheese. If I had a cow or nanny goat As a pet to keep down the grass If I had some property,, I might use the milk If there was any, but I heard that toget milk they need to be pregnant; so what do you do if they pop out a  a boy-goat? So much for being veg. And then there's the vet bills, and possible medications in the milk. What a hassle. So, why isn't goat milk/yougurt on the list? They're nomad animals, yes? Also, are  there any warming traditional herb teas common to western and north-west Europe? Those on the nomad list are kind of cooling for me...cold hands, etc.
Thanks  
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:48pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Edward
I'm not much on factory farm fare, even though I like cheese. If I had a cow or nanny goat As a pet to keep down the grass If I had some property,, I might use the milk If there was any, but I heard that toget milk they need to be pregnant; so what do you do if they pop out a  a boy-goat? So much for being veg. And then there's the vet bills, and possible medications in the milk. What a hassle. So, why isn't goat milk/yougurt on the list? They're nomad animals, yes? Also, are  there any warming traditional herb teas common to western and north-west Europe? Those on the nomad list are kind of cooling for me...cold hands, etc.
Thanks  


Ginger tea is very good, and warming too.

I eat goat yogurt every day, made fresh by me from a local farmer's goats.  Delicious!
Posted by: Edward, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:03pm; Reply: 29
Is rice protien powder isolate considered "nomad"?
Posted by: Edward, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:04pm; Reply: 30
Also, the cultures in the nomad polyflora are different than most yoghurts, yes?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:13pm; Reply: 31
make your own yogurt using a cap of polyflora in your liquid overnight

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT010B%2FAB

try finding a protein powder with these characteristics appropriate to your type and physiology
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:26pm; Reply: 32
Polyflora is different for each blood type depending on what probiotic is best for each type.  It makes extremely good yogurt if you care to make your own.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:41am; Reply: 33
Quoted from Edward
Is rice protein powder isolate considered "nomad"?

According to the GTD book, all rice, rice flour and rice bran, except wild rice, are superfoods for Nomad.  That being said, I remember Dr. D. stating somewhere that the isolate form of protein powder is not the best, but I don't remember where I read that and I am not certain whether he was discussing a specific protein source...
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:20am; Reply: 34
Quoted from ABJoe

According to the GTD book, all rice, rice flour and rice bran, except wild rice, are superfoods for Nomad.  That being said, I remember Dr. D. stating somewhere that the isolate form of protein powder is not the best, but I don't remember where I read that and I am not certain whether he was discussing a specific protein source...


I feel the same way about protein isolates.  That doesn't look like a whole food to me, and is not the direction I want to keep moving in with my food choices.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 6:22am; Reply: 35
Joe,
perhaps you remember this fun sentence

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The standard American diet is far more Mars-like than our natural, earth-grown BTD.

But hey, if they want their partially hydrogenated wingnut isolate and autolyzed findabulated vestige of artificial dye #562 powder instead of a fresh-picked blueberry, who are we to argue with 'em?
Posted by: Kelley, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:53pm; Reply: 36
I don't know a lot about agriculture, but if you had a male goat you could continue to feed & care for him. I imagine his manure would be useful for farming- also, like you mentioned, he could keep the grass down. Also, some kinds of goats have hair that is used in yarn-making so if you have that kind of goat you could sell his hair every summer. Also, he would provide companionship for other goats. Perhaps the milks are no longer on the recommended list because pasteurization kills the bacteria and without the bacteria Dr. D. considers them not helpful. That is just my guess.




[quote] I'm not much on factory farm fare, even though I like cheese. If I had a cow or nanny goat As a pet to keep down the grass If I had some property,, I might use the milk If there was any, but I heard that toget milk they need to be pregnant; so what do you do if they pop out a  a boy-goat? So much for being veg. And then there's the vet bills, and possible medications in the milk. What a hassle. So, why isn't goat milk/yougurt on the list?[quote/]
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 2:05pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from Kelley
I'm in East Texas. I became a vegetarian about 6 or 7 years ago, for ethical reasons, so I will not be going back to eating meat. Vegetarians generally will eat eggs and/or dairy products, but vegans will not. My health had neither gotten better nor worse since I became a vegetarian, but I am generally healthy and on no medications at the age of 47. My only real "health problem" is that I need to lose about 30 pounds.


Hi welcome. My ex is a B and he's a lacto vegetarian. He doesn't eat eggs. He's had trouble with his cholesterol going up.  When we give up things for ethical reasons, sometimes we make sacrifices. I applaud you.. :)  I can't take Anatomy and Physiology now because I found out they dissect cats and pigs. They raise them especially to be killed for dissection.  Some parts of education and medicine are freaking sick.  >:( :(

I've been eating vegan lately. Just getting off the sugar this week. The toughest part
Posted by: Kelley, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:12pm; Reply: 38
Vegetarianism is definitely a choice you have to make with love and gratitude. If you harbor feelings of resentment over your "sacrifice" then that will have a negative impact on your health.
Good luck with getting off sugar! I have had some issues with hypoglycemia throughout my life, so I am always working on keeping the sugar down.




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[/quote]Hi welcome. My ex is a B and he's a lacto vegetarian. He doesn't eat eggs. He's had trouble with his cholesterol going up.  When we give up things for ethical reasons, sometimes we make sacrifices. I applaud you..   I can't take Anatomy and Physiology now because I found out they dissect cats and pigs. They raise them especially to be killed for dissection.  Some parts of education and medicine are freaking sick.  

I've been eating vegan lately. Just getting off the sugar this week. The toughest part[quote]
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:36pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Lola
Joe,
perhaps you remember this fun sentence

That isn't what I was remembering, but it about sums up my sentiment of the processed food industry...
Posted by: Edward, Thursday, March 3, 2011, 6:20pm; Reply: 40
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
Posted by: Edward, Thursday, March 3, 2011, 6:22pm; Reply: 41
They are trying to keep me from eating grapes because grapes are healthy; goves you anidea what I'm dealing with...
Posted by: Edward, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:40pm; Reply: 42
Hello again:
I were wondering about sulfites in dried foods(for traveling); they say that sulfites are a natural by- product of grape fermentation.
Posted by: Edward, Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:20pm; Reply: 43
Hello?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:49pm; Reply: 44
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goves you anidea what I'm dealing with...


not even close ;D

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I were wondering about sulfites


some people are allergic or susceptible to sulfates.....if not added to dried fruit or other, you might want to have a food log and write down any given symptom

Posted by: bel, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:28am; Reply: 45
Hi, any meat recommendations for Nomads besides red meats?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 2:52pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Edward
Hello again:
I were wondering about sulfites in dried foods(for traveling); they say that sulfites are a natural by- product of grape fermentation.


Oh  :o Where's Possum Police! Bad Grammar Alert!  8)    


Sorry Edward..nothing personal..  :)
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 3:07pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from bel
Hi, any meat recommendations for Nomads besides red meats?


turkey, ostrich, emu and several fish. No chicken, duck or pheasant.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 3:40pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from bel
Hi, any meat recommendations for Nomads besides red meats?


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turkey, ostrich, emu and several fish. No chicken, duck or pheasant.

According to the book and my SWAMI, pheasant is a superfood (just not diamond) for Nomad...  Others listed are correct.  There are many fish in the superfoods list.
Posted by: gulfcoastguy, Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 7:45pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from ABJoe



According to the book and my SWAMI, pheasant is a superfood (just not diamond) for Nomad...  Others listed are correct.  There are many fish in the superfoods list.


Sorry I didn't have my book handy and pheasant is nonexistant locally. I can actually find ostrich and emu in a Health Food Store $$$$ but not pheasant. I don't care for duck so no big loss there. Basically it's turkey, numeous fish, goat, lamb, calf liver, and beef from what I can get locally.
Posted by: sjshen, Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 1:46am; Reply: 50
The guy who wrote this might be any of Hunter, Gatherer, Explorer or Nomad genotypes. He warns of terrible consequences for being a veggo.

http://www.malabarwellness.com/book-review-the-meat-fix-by-john-nicholson/

Hello there Victoria. I feel sorry for your sufferings. Hope you're really fine now.
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