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Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:22am
I'd like to discuss the use of magnesium oil as a form of supplement for this mineral.  I've been taking oral mag. for decades and it's always a juggling act to find the right dosage.  Too much and my bowels are too loose and too little and I have muscle tension and tendency to constipation.

So I have read what christaalyssaA+ has said about the use of transdermal application of mag. oil (which really isn't an oil).  My health food store carries magnesium chloride in a shaved crystal form so I bought some and mixed it with filtered water.  I'm in the process of working out the details of when, how much and what method.  And I first need to know if this form will work as well as buying it pre-mixed online.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:24am; Reply: 1
you could mix a TBSP of M into a quarter cup of veg oil......apply with an atomizer
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:25am; Reply: 2
That sounds like a good idea From what I understand/remember of what Chrysta has said, it needs to be in an oil form in order to "stick" to the skin...
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:56am; Reply: 3

Magnesium oil is not an oil, you are correct Victoria. Calling it magnesium "oil" is only for the reason that it feels like it has an oil consistency.

Using mineral oils clogs pores. So I wouldn't put mag with any actual oil and put it on the skin as that combination will be harder for your body to absorb. We are wanting to digest the magnesium through the largest organ of our body, our skin. This is not about hydrating the skin. Although magnesium does bring moisture to every cell in our body. What we are doing with the mag is putting it on a large surface area so the body can absorb as much as it can instead of putting it through the colon, having it liquify everything, sending that and any other vitamins you are trying to absorb in your colon shooting through. Which is why orally taking mag is not effective, in my opinion. No matter what someone has done to it. Especially since we are learning that many people have a hard time with gluten and lack the ability to absorb nutrition through their colons properly.

The reason why magnesium in a liquid form sprayed onto the skin works so well is because it's sprayable and you can cover a large surface area without over doing it. You really don't need that much.

With the crystals added to water, if they dissolve that would be a great way to get magnesium onto your skin. They were probably sold to be used as bath salts. So yes. This will work to get your mag without having to buy a premixed magnesium oil.

What you are looking for is a "tingling" feeling. If it's too itchy or tingly... you need to dilute your mag solution with a bit more water. If you don't feel anything when you spray it on... up the amount of mag. That is the easiest way to really know if you are getting enough.

Hope this helps!
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:08am; Reply: 4
(smile)  It's my bedtime, so I just wanted to say thanks, and I'll be back tomorrow to talk magnesium details!  'night all!  (sleeping)  
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:14am; Reply: 5
:K)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:26am; Reply: 6
You're welcome. Goodnight!
Posted by: balletomane, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:39am; Reply: 7
Thanks to Christa's suggestion I have been using a 50/50 magnesium oil/water solution by spraying on my skin after shower. I've been using it for just a month and it has worked wonders! I had been having an edema/ligament pain in my foot for more than one and a half years and it has gone, miraculously! And I used to get so much muscle soreness and aches here and there, especially after my ballet class. Now I don't have much at all. It really is a godsend! Give it a try! And thanks again Christa!
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:30am; Reply: 8
Your welcome again Balletomane! *hugs*
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:02pm; Reply: 9
Hello again!  (sunny)

This is my 4th day of using the magnesium on my skin.  Interestingly enough, I discovered that magnesium chloride is also called Nigari, which I used in the 1970 for making tofu.  This was pre-BTD, when I was in my vegetarian era!  (whistle)  After soaking the soybeans for a long time, grinding them, simmering the mash for a looong time and straining the soymilk off, Nigari is added as a coagulant.  It "curds" the tofu nicely, which is then pressed and cut into squares.  Ok, back on topic.

For many years, I have been taking slightly more than 1/2 as much mag. as Calcium (Clear Cal) in capsule form.  I tend toward loose stools, so I'm frequently playing with the amount of mag. that I take and I would like to get away from this routine and see if the transdermal application works for me.

So what I did is to get a small spray bottle, which I filled 1/3 full of the mag. and 2/3 full of filtered water.  It dissolved completely.  I don't know if this is too much or too little mag.

For the past few days, I have been spraying my whole body twice a day, except for sensitive areas.  It does sting a bit in places, mostly lower back, hips and back of hands.  The first spraying is 1/2 hour before my morning shower and the second time is before bed.  

I've been going back and forth between my stools being too firm and too loose.  My guess is that my body is adjusting to the lack of mag. in my gut.  And it takes time for the mag. to reach ideal saturation in the blood.  This morning, my stool was close to normal.

So I'm wondering about the ratio of the mix I made up.  And also about how much of my body to cover with the oil.  Different products online seem to be different potencies and some say that 10 sprays = 250 mg.  Some say that 6 sprays = 100 mg.  One site said that 1 spray = 125 mg.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:11pm; Reply: 10
I d continue with that amount you made.....sounds like it s helping, no?

I like spraying after the shower, using my lavender and grape seed oil mix as well....
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:24pm; Reply: 11
Good for you VIctoria! Sounds like you are doing well. I'd say find what works specifically for you. Also slowly building up instead of using a high dose all over your entire body I personally would choose for myself. But do what feels right to you.

Nigari is another way to get it. I've heard that some people prefer the magnesium chloride they get from specific sources more than others. Some believe some is more absorbable. Like I said, do what works for you. Good job for finding a new way to get your mag instead of orally and actually following through with it.

I wouldn't worry about amounts of how much mag you are getting. With transdermal applications you cannot overdose. You will get what your body needs and the rest will wash off when you shower.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:42pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Lola
I d continue with that amount you made.....sounds like it s helping, no?

I like spraying after the shower, using my lavender and grape seed oil mix as well....


I'll know if it's working when my stools stabilize.  ;)

I love my after shower oil mix, too.  1/2 and 1/2 EVOO and Grapeseed oil with lavender!!  Awesome!  But it's a different thing than the magnesium oil.  Mag. is only called oil, but really has no oil in it.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:46pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Good for you VIctoria! Sounds like you are doing well. I'd say find what works specifically for you. Also slowly building up instead of using a high dose all over your entire body I personally would choose for myself. But do what feels right to you.

Nigari is another way to get it. I've heard that some people prefer the magnesium chloride they get from specific sources more than others. Some believe some is more absorbable. Like I said, do what works for you. Good job for finding a new way to get your mag instead of orally and actually following through with it.

I wouldn't worry about amounts of how much mag you are getting. With transdermal applications you cannot overdose. You will get what your body needs and the rest will wash off when you shower.


Are you saying that even though several products may say Magnesium Chloride, they may be different types of mag., or that they are sourced from different places?

I'm not concerned about overdosing the mag. but I would like to not have to spray my entire body.  It's a lot to do every day.  But I don't want to slip back into constipation, which was one reason I was so persistent at taking mag. capsules every day.  
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:09pm; Reply: 14
Because it's a salt it can be sourced from many different places. For example some mag oil users believe only the salt from the Great Salt Lake in Utah is good enough or is the best quality and is the most absorbable. I have found a source that claims that it gets it's salt from an ancient sea bed in Europe. So nigari is a bit different. I'm not sure of it's source. In the end though health is a trial and error thing. Anything we do to get ourselves closer to health the better.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:10pm; Reply: 15
Could epsom salts be dissolved in water and put in a spray  bottle, or is that form of magnesium not very good?

I'm working on my February budget now, and trying to decide if magnesium oil should be a priority or not. BTW, where's that link to the place that sells it online?
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:40pm; Reply: 16
Christa's link is on the Teachers Lounge thread.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:08pm; Reply: 17
Quoted Text
Mag. is only called oil, but really has no oil in it.


since life is a bit hectic, I too only have time to do my bath routine once a day....
meaning, body brushing, showering, and all the spraying......once toweled dry from the cool shower......
my mag oil is sprayed on first, followed by my body oil with added essential oils of my choice.....lavender for one is soothing and balancing......have no complaint so far, works like a charm ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:13pm; Reply: 18
Lola,
I find that the Mag. oil leaves a bitter taste on my skin.  Occasionally I will get some in my mouth or accidentally rub in my eyes.  Does this happen to you?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:24pm; Reply: 19
try to keep away from eyes!!! lol

lavender stings worse!! so I ve learned my lesson!
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:29pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Lola
try to keep away from eyes!!! lol

lavender stings worse!! so I ve learned my lesson!


Ouch!  (dead)

What type of Magnesium are you using, Lola?  
Did you buy one ready-made or mixed up your own from the crystals?  
How do you know how many sprays to use?
(book2)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:37pm; Reply: 21
I mixed the crystals I can get locally......

a TBsp to a cup of distilled water is what I am using, until further notice.....
I just spray all parts of my body once, and let air-dry before I spray my body oil combo
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:02pm; Reply: 22
Thanks, Lola!  :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:08pm; Reply: 23
Lavendar oil stings? That's never been my experience.
Posted by: Patrick H, Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:52am; Reply: 24
Good information here. Thanks for the effort Christa.

I've been taking Natural Calm (ionic magnesium citrate) lately. It's a good magnesium product, but does loosen the stools. I don't think this is ideal for the body.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, January 31, 2011, 5:18pm; Reply: 25
This morning, I noticed that the Mag oil is not stinging anymore.  Whew!  It wasn't really painful, but still, it's nice to not have that little zing.  

Just wanted to thank Christa for bringing this type of magnesium to my attention.  :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 31, 2011, 5:20pm; Reply: 26
it feels so right once you apply it! ;)
I love my shower ritual!!!
Posted by: JoanneO, Monday, January 31, 2011, 5:39pm; Reply: 27
I know a source of magnesium "oil" and the magnesium flakes  at   http://www.life-enthusiast.com
scroll down left side to  Trans derma minerals.  
I use the magnesium "oil" in bath water twice a week, probably could use more so idea of spray bottle sounds good to me.  Thanks
Posted by: Patrick H, Monday, January 31, 2011, 8:05pm; Reply: 28
The pharmacy didn't have it. :-/

Is it available at the pharmacy? lol
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 2:15am; Reply: 29
yes, in the form of magnesium chloride
Posted by: Patrick H, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 4:18am; Reply: 30
Would epsom salt baths achieve the same results? Seems like Dr. D already has that part covered.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 9:48am; Reply: 31
Quoted from Patrick H
Good information here. Thanks for the effort Christa.

I've been taking Natural Calm (ionic magnesium citrate) lately. It's a good magnesium product, but does loosen the stools. I don't think this is ideal for the body.


I used to take natural calm for quite awhile. The more studying I did on magnesium the more I understood why transdermal would be the most optimal way to increase my magnesium percentage. Glad to be of help!

Quoted Text
Dr. Shealy adds that the problem with oral magnesium is that all magnesium compounds are potentially laxative. And there is good evidence that magnesium absorption depends upon the mineral remaining in the intestine at least 12 hours. If intestinal transit time is less than 12 hours, magnesium absorption is impaired.


also

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Jack Samuels, President of the Truth in Labeling Campaign, gives us more reason to avoid oral magnesium products. “Most, but not all of the magnesium being sold "over the counter" is chelated with neurotoxic substances. Magnesium glutamate is clearly of concern because the magnesium is chelated to neurotoxic glutamic acid. Magnesium aspartate is clearly of concern because the magnesium is chelated to neurotoxic aspartic acid, an amino acid that has been found by neuroscientists, in animal studies, to load on the same receptors in the brain as does glutamic acid, to cause identical brain lesions and neuroendocrine disorders as glutamic acid, and to act in an additive fashion with glutamic acid. Magnesium citrate is of concern because the magnesium has been chelated with citric acid. Most of the citric acid used in this country is made from corn.


For the majority of us on the btd corn is a definite no no.

quotes were from this website

http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-358.html

I had another client call me earlier today and tell me that she actually slept a full nights sleep for the first time in over 10 years. This was her first night after using the transdermal mag I had told her about. I love getting phone calls like this!
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 9:55am; Reply: 32
The amount of absorbable magnesium in epsom salts is very low compared to magnesium oil. It would take 10 years longer to get the mag you need from epsom salt baths than by spraying on mag oil.

I buy my mag oil from

http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/magnesium.htm

Some health food stores carry it too. But this is the best source I've found so far and sell this brand to my clients (I'm a Massage Therapist) and customers that come into the store my mom and I own together called "Oils and Things".
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 9:55am; Reply: 33
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
I had another client call me earlier today and tell me that she actually slept a full nights sleep for the first time in over 10 years. This was her first night after using the transdermal mag I had told her about. I love getting phone calls like this!
Don't you love it when you can help ppl out... ;)

Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 10:00am; Reply: 34
You're welcome Victoria!

As a side note: I've noticed that B's seem to be even more magnesium deficient that those of other blood types. And the majority of magnesium rich foods are avoids for B's. So definitely using mag oil would be ideal as a daily habit for B's. In my personal opinion, anyways. ;)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 10:04am; Reply: 35
Quoted from Possum
Don't you love it when you can help ppl out... ;)



What I really love is when I share something that I've learned with someone and than they go and actually apply it. That is awesome! I love it when people help themselves once I share the info with them. Like that adage... "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink." I can share till I'm blue in the face and till my finger cannot type anymore but unless someone takes that info and uses it. It's useless.
All the knowledge in the world is useless unless we apply it. That's when I believe it become wisdom!




Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 12:27pm; Reply: 36
OK, so there's a good reason that the mag oil is way more expensive than epsom salts.

Do you think I should order 2 spray bottles, rather than just one, so I can have a diluted one for the kids and a stronger one for myself? I don't think my 9yo would appreciate spraying on something that stings his skin!
Posted by: Patrick H, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 1:49pm; Reply: 37
Christa, this information is pure gold.

Thank you so much.
Posted by: Patrick H, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:05pm; Reply: 38
http://www.magnesiumdirect.com/products.aspx
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 4:55pm; Reply: 39
Two different websites have been suggested for the mag oil.

http://www.magnesiumdirect.com/zechsteinseabed.aspx

http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/magnesium.htm#mo

How do the products from the two sources compare?
Posted by: Patrick H, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 5:02pm; Reply: 40
I'm willing to listen to Christa, but I found another decent site.

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Brands/TransDerma/Product:_Magnesium_Drops

These are "drops."
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 6:00pm; Reply: 41
In terms of who's mag oil is better... I muscles test. That's just how I do it. I have gone though a lot of different websites and I have tested the strength of the mag oil over and over again against other websites. To each their own though.

Ruthie - It's not going to go bad so ordering 2 bottles at once is going to save you on the shipping in the long run. So keeping one absolute and diluting one so you have three bottles... 2 50/50 and one absolute is a great option.

Quoted Text
There are two oral forms that may be considered: 25%magnesium chloride drops (Magic Drops) or magnesium taurate. The drops are extremely strong tasting, salty and bitter. At least 50% of patients refuse to use the drops after a taste test. Twenty drops per day are recommended. It requires 3 to 6 months for replacement to be accomplished.
That was from the same website again.

If you can handle taking the drops go for it. The proof as they say is in the pudding. I used to really enjoy pudding. lol The highest sales in our store are from the magnesium oil and that's because it is working. If you can handle the taste go for it and definitely let us know! I would be fascinated to hear if it works.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 6:03pm; Reply: 42
Also... I do use the mag oil to brush my teeth with (yes very salty) and along with everything else I'm doing my teeth are getting whiter and less translucent and it seems as though I'm getting enamel back. Which is something that is totally unheard of in dentistry.  ;D
Posted by: Patrick H, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 6:23pm; Reply: 43
Wow, amazing Christa.

What else do you use for your teeth besides magnesium oil?
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 6:39pm; Reply: 44
I follow my Swami.

No white sugar or flour and I keep my blood sugar levels balances.

I take high dose co enzyme q 10. That's a whole different topic that could have it's own thread. Finding a good high dose co q10 that doesn't cost an arm and a leg is fairly difficult. If anyone has bleeding gums or painful teeth problems it is because they are extremely low in Co Q10.

I use the mag oil daily on my skin and on my toothbrush.

I take vitamin K2 (also should have it's own thread) - 45 MG daily. This is something that the Japanese have found to reduce osteoporosis. The only supplement that I have found that you can buy in the States that has this high dose of the proper K2  (which is the Mk-4) is from this company. Vitamin K2 pushes calcium into your bones. Other companies like to tell you that you need Mk-7. This is up for debate but all the studies that the Japanese have done are on Mk-4. Check out this website. I buy from them. Here in Canada we aren't allowed more than half of a mg in a supplement per day. So I have to sneak this in. This has really shifted my overall bone health, in my personal opinion. It took me over 4 months of serious research and find this.

http://www.nbihealth.com/p-10-osteo-k.aspx
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 8:52pm; Reply: 45
Christa- to muscle test I would need to order both and then compare them- I can't muscle test through a website! I trust your judgement if you've tested  products from both companies though- unless you're saying that the product from one website or the other is a better "fit" for some individuals, rather than one product is overall better for everybody.

I just need to be very, very careful with my money right now. My ex hasn't paid any child support since the school year began- so if he actually pays me this month, I'll be able to order all the supplements I need and not worry about it. But since I haven't actually gotten any money from him yet, I'm hesitant to spend all my money the first day of the month (I get SSI the first of each month.) I've been taking magnesium orally for years, but my current bottle is  very low and I haven't bought any more, figuring I'd buy the mag oil online. I do have epsom salts and an empty spray bottle ($1 at Target) in the house.

In your professional opinion, do you think that dissolving epsom salts in water and spraying that on would be a complete waste of time and effort? How would that compare (in terms of absorbable mag) to taking  400 mg of mag citrate orally each day? Is that a reasonable thing to do for the next week or two, until I have more money? Or should I go out on a (financial) limb and get the mag oil sooner?
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 3:44am; Reply: 46
Ruthie anything you do that is a step forward is always better than doing something that is like taking one forward and two back... such as taking the mag citrate would be. So definitely you are much better off spraying the epsom salts on than ingesting magnesium citrate.

You can totally wait. No need to go spend money on something you cannot afford. Having financial "good health" is part of having over good health. If you are stressed about money that is a whole other topic... but putting yourself in financial stress for any supplement is never a good idea. At the very basics we just should be following our btd's. Everything else after that is icing on the cake. Bad metaphor but you understand my meaning. lol
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 5:33pm; Reply: 47
Everything else is ghee on the rice cake? ;)

So you think I can get as much mag from epsom salts spray so I can cut out the mag citrate and not feel any effects of cutting down on mag intake?

My routine has been to use my cal/mag/zinc supplement in the morning and then take extra mag before bed. The cal/mag/zinc supplement contains calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, and zinc oxide. Do you think I should get a different calcium supplement when I finish this bottle. or is this OK to continue taking?
Posted by: Drea, Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:32pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
In terms of who's mag oil is better... I muscles test. That's just how I do it. I have gone though a lot of different websites and I have tested the strength of the mag oil over and over again against other websites. To each their own though.


Let me preface by saying I don't really have a clear understanding of the practical uses of muscle testing, though I know many of you here do it regularly. Please, can you explain how you muscle test a product on a website? I don't grok it.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:39pm; Reply: 49
Clear Cal is going to be better absorbed than Cal. Carbonate, in my opinion.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 10:44pm; Reply: 50
Ruthie - If you feel like you can handle a corn magnesium "magnesium citrate", than go ahead and keep taking it until you can switch. Ultimately it comes down to YOUR personal feeling on it. You need to decide.

I am a sharer of information and it's up to others to hear the info and either take it and run with it or find what their own personal "truth" on something is. We all need to educate ourselves and find what works for us personally. This is exactly what we are taught with the btd.

Drea - With muscle testing, my way of explaining it to people is that our "spirit" or our energy that makes the organic matter that is our bodies, actually move... knows innately what we need. So by muscle testing we ask yes/no questions and our spirit gives us the answers. This might be too out there for some of us more logical thinkers. But I need to say, Kinesiology is an actual science. I myself am a very logical person and sometimes worry that my weird, energy feeling, extremely intuitive side is more a curse than a blessing.
With those products that I tested online... I didn't actually muscle test them on the website although I have done muscle testing on people across the world and other energy therapies and do regular sessions that I get paid for and those people feel that it makes a big difference for them.
I wish I had more time to type everything out that I want to share but my time is limited and sometimes I just come on to mellow out before I fall asleep. So let me clear this up... I actually physically ordered 4 different products from websites and also bought a mag oil from the nearest health food store to me that is an hour and a half drive away from me. I tested again and again with different clients and family members. Across the board, the magnesium oil from Health and Wisdom was the best, most absorbable form. In the past 4 month or so now I've sold over 100 bottles out of my little small town family store. We have return customers now that say they have never felt so good in such a long time.  I hope this clears the muscles testing the products questions.
I have to say though that I have muscle tested products online without actually buying them and that is because I muscle test all the time and feel confident in my ability to assess things this way. Studying muscle testing and learning to do it for yourself would be the best way to really explore this method. If you live closer I'd teach your personally. Being in person to teach someone is really the only way in my opinion to teach someone about simplistic muscle testing. I teach my clients, especially those that are now follow the btd to muslce test food so that even if a product looks good they can test it and get a feel for if it will or not. Just one more way to find what works specifically for yourself.

Now back to the laundry! lol
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 12:04am; Reply: 51
Quoted from Drea
Please, can you explain how you muscle test a product on a website?

Drea,
FYI., I would have to buy a sample, hold it in my hand and test it...  I haven't developed the ability to test a product long distance...  I know some people can perform long distance testing by focusing mental energy on it, but without being able to verify the test is accurate, I won't attempt it...  The longest I have been able to knowingly "sense" something is about 15 feet...

Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 12:31am; Reply: 52
I shared this on the FS thread but I just wanted to comment on my experience with magnesium
oil.

Although many people are seriously deficient, many of us aren't and wouldn't even know if
we are, even going by a list of symptoms.  I found heavy spraying of magnesium oil all over my body sometimes lowers my blood pressure in a serious way to the point of where I feel almost
lightheaded and ready to pass out.

At first when I started using it, I would soak my feet in a foot bath of mag oil and hot water....I
did this daily for a few days in a row....and then suddenly, I found myself unable to take a deep
breath....feeling lightheaded and weak.....in fact, exhausted.  Now whether this totally pushed me
towards a calcium deficiency or a complete imbalance of electrolytes, it never dawned upon me
that magnesium transdermally could be quite so potent.  And maybe too much magnesium
will make one feel exhausted.

What I do now is spray lightly in a few spots and then shower it off after 15-20 minutes....I might spray down my arms and legs, rub it in....for a total of about 3 sprays on each limb and that's it.  Some days I don't use it at all.  I muscle test the bottle and sometimes I'm just weak on it.  I used to need lots and lots of magnesium and now I don't seem to need very much at all. It's been said that you can't overdose on magnesium oil....but my personal experience showed me that you can.... at least I did.  You have to really assess how you feel after using it...Any indication that it's making you feel weak or lightheaded, and I'm pretty sure it's an indication that you don't need to use as much as you did.

Just sharing my experience, although not everyone will have my reaction.  I think after awhile,
your body builds up a magnesium reserve and you have to start using less and less.  Today
I only sprayed a total of 6 sprays and it was enough.  I can tell if I start feeling lightheaded after an hour or so that I probably needed to use less...or none at all.  I'm using magnesium
oil for at least 4 years so perhaps it's done its job.  It was miraculous for fibromyalgia...but
every ache and pain isn't a magnesium deficiency.  Sometimes it's other electrolytes that
are unbalanced or just plain dehydration.

I also balance by taking Phytocal or the Genotype mineral formula because magnesium is just
one mineral and we need all minerals in the right balance.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 12:56am; Reply: 53
Thanks for the explanation, Christa. I've been interested in honing my skills in this area, just have no way to actually know if I'm correct in my assessments. I can be very logical but also have a "out there" streak. Fold away.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 1:27am; Reply: 54
I made up a spray with epsom salts today; 1 cup of epsom salts in 12oz of water (but then it was too much for my 12oz bottle so I had to spill some out.) I've sprayed it on myself 3 times today, once just on my belly and legs, then my whole body about half an hour before I showered, and again right after my shower. I figured it's a good idea to use much more than recomended for the "good magnesium oil" since what I have can't be absorbed as well.

I'm feeling very tired today, which may or may not be from the magnesium- I didn't get enough sleep for 2 days in a row. But being tired is a good thing if it means I'll be able to fall asleep without melatonin (especially since the only form I have in the house right now contains fructose.)

A friend taught me how to do muscle testing about 16 years ago, and I'm pretty good at using it to figure out what I personally need. Much more recently, I've tried doing it for my kids- it works best for me if I hold something of the child's and look at his/her bed and think about the child while doing it. I haven't thought to try it for vitamin, mineral, or herbal supplements- I've only used it to isolate what Bach Flower Remedies to use.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 1:35am; Reply: 55
Cloe - Thanks for sharing your experience! Everything in balance is definitely what I am constantly sharing with my clients. Thanks for mentioning that aspect of magnesium supplementation. Are you feeling a tingling when you use magnesium oil? And which brand were you using? And are you taking calcium, vitamin D3 with your mag? This is something that I consider vital when supplementing with magnesium.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 2:06am; Reply: 56
Christa, is it your experience that the tingling goes away eventually?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 2:56am; Reply: 57
calcium carbonate is ground chalk :-/
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 8:07am; Reply: 58
Quoted from Victoria
Christa, is it your experience that the tingling goes away eventually?


Yes. When you have used magnesium enough that your have enough in your body you will stop feeling the tingling even with undiluted magnesium oil. Once you get to that point take 1 month off and see if you still aren't tingling. If you still aren't wait another month and so on and so on. Once you start tingling when you use it, that's when you know you need it.

Posted by: balletomane, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 11:10am; Reply: 59
Christa, can you tell us how you use the magnesium oil for brushing your teeth? Do you put some drops on your tooth brush and brush directly, or do you add your toothpaste on it too?
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 2:39pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Cloe - Thanks for sharing your experience! Everything in balance is definitely what I am constantly sharing with my clients. Thanks for mentioning that aspect of magnesium supplementation. Are you feeling a tingling when you use magnesium oil? And which brand were you using? And are you taking calcium, vitamin D3 with your mag? This is something that I consider vital when supplementing with magnesium.


I use magnesium oil from Swanson's.  It's the original formula from the ancient Zechstein Sea.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/health-library/products/barbara-hendel-magnesium-oil.html

No, I don't feel a tingling sensation anymore. Magnesium oil used to burn...would make my skin pucker but now it doesn't tingle at all. I take calcium as well.  Clearcal or Phytocal or the
Genotype mineral formula in rotation..  As for D3...been taking it for ages...maybe longer than I'm using magnesium oil.  My D level is high now..(need to be tested again).  I take 10,000 iu of D at least 6 days a week.

But very honestly, way back when I first tried magnesium oil as a foot bath, (mixed with warm
water) this is what Marc Sircus recommends in his book on magnesium oil, I wasn't taking enough other minerals in balance. So I experienced for myself, the very thing you're mentioning
not to do....and I want to reiterate.  If you aren't taking a balanced form of minerals in supplement form, be cautious about over spraying magnesium oil.  IT can be potent.

Right now, I don't seem to need a lot of magnesium oil...This morning I used about 8 sprays
in various places....took a shower after 20 minutes, washed it off....took my other minerals
and D.  Feel fine.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 4:13pm; Reply: 61
I know that calcium carbonate is ground chalk. What I don't know is whether the body can use the calcium from the ground chalk, especially when consumed with food, or whether it's simply pooped out undigested.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:00pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I know that calcium carbonate is ground chalk. What I don't know is whether the body can use the calcium from the ground chalk, especially when consumed with food, or whether it's simply pooped out undigested.


Dr. D doesn't recommend ground chalk...His Clearcal formula comes from the sea.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP037

Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:06pm; Reply: 63
interesting, Chloe. I thought mag oil would self regulate, as in, not absorb more than needed...I thought I read that somewhere.....which doesn't make it true... ::) Thanks for the tip.
Like fish oil which everyone says to take a lot of, but I almost fainted from one high dose cap a day...after just a few days.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:16pm; Reply: 64
I know that Dr D recomends a different source of calcium, but the NAP calcium supplements are more than  10 times the price of the ones at Trader Joe's.  Even if I'm only absorbing half the calcium from these, that still makes them 1/5 the price of the NAP product.

The question isn't "should I use the Trader Joe's product or the NAP product?"  The question is "Should I use the Trader Joe's product or not bother taking calcium at all?"
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:29pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from jayneeo
interesting, Chloe. I thought mag oil would self regulate, as in, not absorb more than needed...I thought I read that somewhere.....which doesn't make it true... ::) Thanks for the tip.
Like fish oil which everyone says to take a lot of, but I almost fainted from one high dose cap a day...after just a few days.


Both fish oil and magnesium in high doses have the same effect on me. I feel like fainting.. I think both can lower blood pressure to an extreme level, if you take more than your body needs.

From this link:  http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/conditionsatod/a/Diabetes.htm

High doses of magnesium may cause diarrhea, nausea, loss of appetite, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, irregular heart rate, and confusion. It can interact with certain medications, such as those for osteoporosis, high blood pressure (calcium channel blockers), as well as some antibiotics, muscle relaxants, and diuretics.

Given I don't have blood sugar problems, when I take more magnesium than my body needs,
I wind up with magnesium overload pretty quickly.   This is why I love Dr. D's mineral formulas.
They are exactly what my body needs in a perfect balance!~ :)

Ruthie, this is just my personal opinion (and I'm fully aware that this is a major financial issue for you) is that it's better to take no calcium and get your nutrients from high calcium foods rather than swallow chalk.  Unless you have a calcium deficiency, there is probably very little need for you to be taking calcium.  Weight bearing exercise, calcium/magnesium and other
minerals from vegetables (and sea vegetables) will protect your bones.  You already take
vitamin D. Save your money on a poorly absorbed product.

This entire subject might be interesting for starting another thread about the necessity of taking nutrients
that aren't compatible with the BTD or the GTD....
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:32pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I know that Dr D recomends a different source of calcium, but the NAP calcium supplements are more than  10 times the price of the ones at Trader Joe's.  Even if I'm only absorbing half the calcium from these, that still makes them 1/5 the price of the NAP product.

The question isn't "should I use the Trader Joe's product or the NAP product?"  The question is "Should I use the Trader Joe's product or not bother taking calcium at all?"


Clearcal is $20 and has 120 capsules.  How much does the TJ's calcium cost?

And here is a list of high calcium foods.
http://ag.arizona.edu/maricopa/fcs/bb/highcalciumfds.html
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:43pm; Reply: 67
http://www.4yourtype.com/calcium.asp

knowing the whys is best :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 5:48pm; Reply: 68
Thanks to Christa's mention of muscle testing, I decided to muscle-test each of my supplements before taking them this morning. I did a "placebo" test on a package of lollypops, to make sure I was doing it right, and when that came up "yes" I decided I'd better have a proper meal and then try again! Well, fed, the lollypops came up "no." Interstingly enough, so did the B complex and the vitamin D. I skipped the B complex but took the D anyway (I'd been taking 20,000 IU per day for the past week or so, since DD1 got sick, rather than the 10,000 IU my MD recomended. I took 10,000 iu this morning.) Then I tested the cal/mag/zinc and it came up "yes" so I took it.

A few minutes later, I noticed that I have a  bottle of coral calcium powder that I bought a while ago and forgot about. I muscle tested that and got a much stronger response than for the TJ's tablets. Starting tomorrow, I'll switch to the coral calcium.

The Trader Joe's calcium cost $2.50 for 60 pills (30 day supply.)
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 6:10pm; Reply: 69
http://www.seaweed.ie/uses_ireland/irishmaerl.html

maerl is a seaweed/algae and I'm not sure it's the same as coral calcium.

Sorry I'm hijacking this thread about magnesium oil.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 7:22pm; Reply: 70
Quoted from christaalyssaA+


Yes. When you have used magnesium enough that your have enough in your body you will stop feeling the tingling even with undiluted magnesium oil. Once you get to that point take 1 month off and see if you still aren't tingling. If you still aren't wait another month and so on and so on. Once you start tingling when you use it, that's when you know you need it.


I can see how my body is adjusting to the Mag. oil.  I used a lot more of it in the beginning.  Now, I've reduced the quantity and am using it once a day instead of twice.  My body speaks pretty clearly to me about supplement needs.  Guess that's my form of muscle testing.  ;)

It seems to be helping my lower back ache and a couple of other joints that can ache in the cold weather.  And I noticed this morning that there was no burning/tingling when I sprayed it on.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 9:35pm; Reply: 71
Quick hijack then I'm done: I know I can google muscle testing, but do any of you who do it regularly have a site link that is reliable? Or are they all about the same? I want to start "listening". :D
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 9:48pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Drea
Quick hijack then I'm done: I know I can google muscle testing, but do any of you who do it regularly have a site link that is reliable? Or are they all about the same? I want to start "listening". :D


I really like this lady and have watched many of her youtube videos.

This is an easy way to muscle test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFj9bg81sVk&feature=related

Another easy method
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USJHqxxIC7Y&feature=related
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 9:51pm; Reply: 73
Thank you Chloe!
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 10:22pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from Drea
Thank you Chloe!


You're welcome...:) and I love your sock monkey~

Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Friday, February 4, 2011, 2:30am; Reply: 75
Balletomane - I use a toothpaste that is glycerine free and uses the essential oils (the only brand I personally believe is pure enough to ingest - either through the skin or orally) in it. I put 2 drops of magnesium oil on my tooth brush up to 4 times per week. No more than that. I use that instead of brushing with my toothpaste. When I don't brush with the  mag oil (I muscle test when I should) I use my regular toothpaste. I don't want to ingest too much mag oil internally. Like I posted before, orally taking mag is not the best. The small amount I get in my mouth when brushing is still minimal.

I too have read that magnesium can self regulate too. I do believe this is only possible when other vitamins/minerals are in balance also. Magnesium helps to balance calcium levels in the body among other things. The reason why I tell my clients not to continue using mag oil once it stops tingling is because it's good to have a break from everything once in awhile. Everything in moderation. When people are low in vitamin K2 (mk-4) they will be less likely to be able to utilize the calcium they take in. The majority of K2 supplements in the market are in the mk-7 variety and the quantity that most supplements that have mk-4 are so low that it doesn't do much good. I searched and finally found a source of it that I'm selling to my clients that is helping those specifically that cannot absorb their calcium increase their bone density with only months of supplementation.  There is lot of studying to do and personal questioning to get a "feel" for what you personally need. Like I said before, listen to your body and follow your own innate wisdom and intuition to do what you ultimately feel is best for your body.

Victoria - Good for you! I know many people that "feel" instead of needing an actual visual show of a yes or no response. I get a feeling for things and than I double check by muscle testing. We are all born with a sixth sense. I believe the more evolved/healthy/balanced we become the more intuitive we will become.


I really love how much great info sharing we are all doing here! Great job everyone! I love it!
Posted by: balletomane, Friday, February 4, 2011, 3:06am; Reply: 76
Hi Christa,
Thanks for the toothbrushing tips! Most helpful. Sorry I'd like to hijack the thread again (very shortly)... can you recommend a good glycerine/flouride/SLS-free toothpaste? Still in search of one. Hijacking finished  ;D
Posted by: Patrick H, Friday, February 4, 2011, 3:34am; Reply: 77
Good stuff Christa, as usual. ;)

I just want to mention that supplements are not the only source of MK-4.

I wonder if MK-4 is even absorbed all that well in supplement form.
Posted by: balletomane, Friday, February 4, 2011, 5:20am; Reply: 78
Patrick,
Can you tell us what kind of food is rich in MK-4?
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Friday, February 4, 2011, 10:55am; Reply: 79
Balletomane- I just checked to make sure and the three tubes left of the toothpaste I have do not have glycerine or any of those baddies in them. I looked at the info on the site to make sure. Glad I did! *pout*  :( >:( They have changed the formula and added vegetable glycerine. I'm not impressed. Bummer. I guess I'll just be brushing with mag oil and baking soda from now on. There is also tooth powders too out there... but why bother. I think baking soda will do the trick.

Patrick - You are very correct! The butter oil from "Green Pasture" has vitamin K of the mk-4 variety in it. Although the amount is not the 45 mg's per day that the Japanese clinical trails showed to decrease fractures in 81% in osteoporosis cases. I do believe with the studies they have found it to be very absorbable.

Quoted Text
Osteo-K contains a 45 mg of MK4™, also called MK-4™, menaquinone-4 and menatetrenone. MK4 is a form of Vitamin K2. The Archives of Internal Medicine confirms that 45 mg of MK4™ daily can decrease the risk of vertebral fractures by 60%, hip fractures by 71% and all nonvertebral fractures by 81%.

Calcium and vitamin D decrease how fast people lose bone minerals; however, vitamin K2 in the amounts found in Osteo-K have been shown to actually increase bone mineral density and decrease fracture risk.

Don't be fooled by other bone health formulas that contain vitamin K. Only Osteo-K contains the amount and form used in clinical trials--45 milligrams (nearly all other formulas contain much smaller amounts, measured in micrograms, which can be hundreds of times less than what's in Osteo-K). And other products contain MK7, another form of vitamin K, but which has never been shown in clinical trials to reduce fractures. Only MK4 reduces fractures. MK4 (45 mg daily) is so effective that it's been an approved by the Ministry of Health in Japan since 1995 for the treatment of osteoporosis.
Quoted from the website - http://www.nbihealth.com/p-10-osteo-k.aspx

This website has great webinars and citations. I searched a long time to hunt down this supplement and I have over 20 clients, not including myself and my parents, on this. One client (an O blood type) took it for only one month and went that was the last month of her 6 months between bone scans. Her doctor was shocked as it increased by 4% in one month. That's unheard of. Especially for a 63 yr old woman who's bd was decreasing no matter what she did.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, February 4, 2011, 2:32pm; Reply: 80
I mix up my own tooth powder- half baking soda, half kosher salt, and then I add a few drops of essential oils (my current batch is clove and peppermint) before shaking it all up.
Posted by: Possum, Friday, February 4, 2011, 8:55pm; Reply: 81
Just wondering ruthiegirl, wouldn't making the baking soda permanently "wet" prior to using it, render its properties inactive?  I know re using it for washing hair you are supposed to keep it out of the shower & away from humidity... *slight hijack* ;) *waves*
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 8:55am; Reply: 82
I was wondering about that too Possum. Wouldn't it be better keeping to dry until use?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 2:45pm; Reply: 83
I have it in a closed jar, and stick a moistened toothbrush into the mixture. The damp salt and soda stick to the toothbrush, and what's left in the container remains mostly dry.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 5:00pm; Reply: 84
Cool idea Ruthie!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, March 21, 2011, 8:01pm; Reply: 85
OK, I finally purchased actual magnesium oil- what an improvement over the epsom salts spray! It doesn't cake up and leave white flakes on my skin! What's left in the spray bottle got poured into somebody's bathwater. :)

Now that I have the magnesium oil, how much should I be using? The bottle says to use 4-5 sprays per day, which  means I only need to spray my belly, not my whole body. It is quite tingly (in a burn-y kind of way.) It's not a pleasant feeling, but it doesn't last long and I can deal with that.

Is 4-5 sprays once a day enough, or should I be using more?
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, March 21, 2011, 8:13pm; Reply: 86
Different brands have a widely differing potency.  Does it tell you how much mag. you are getting?
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, March 21, 2011, 8:32pm; Reply: 87
Ruthie, after 20 minutes, the magnesium oil has been absorbed through your skin.  You can
then wash it off/shower...  You're right, you don't need to spray your entire body...anywhere is fine...legs, arms...

This might answer some of your questions.

http://www.naturalhealingtools.com/product_information/mag.clay/Magnesium-Oil-Guide.pdf

http://magnesiumforlife.com/transdermal-magnesium/combining-oral-with-transdermal/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1CvC-38k4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya16p_zeSMc&feature=related
(Mark Sircus is an expert on MO and has written a book)
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 3:02am; Reply: 88
I got mine today! I researched a lot of different brands and settled for Swanson...got it from the Swanson website. It's also on Amazon. I got tingly! I also take Mag citrate...400 mg a day...should I stop taking it? I am very deficient so I want to make sure I get enough. I haven't gotten the runs or anything close to it...does that mean I need more than 400 mg? Would 400 mg mag citrate + 5 sprays of the oil be ok?
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 1:12pm; Reply: 89
Interesting magnesium oil information from Dr. Norman Shealy

http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/images/shealy%20mag%20oil%20testing.pdf
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 2:38pm; Reply: 90
OK, it sounds like I should be using way more than 4 sprays a day- one source recomended spraying 1-2 ounces over my body each day, which would use up my current (8 oz) bottle in less than a week!

It was already a stretch to my budget to get the 8oz bottle right now. Just using 4 sprays a day must be an improvement over not using it at all. But now I don't have to worry that I might overdose if I use 8 sprays on my belly and then another 8 sprays on my legs- and even this much shouldn't use up the bottle too quickly. I just sprayed some on my legs- ack is this itchy! I must be pretty low in mag if it itches, right?
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 3:55pm; Reply: 91
A couple sprays a day is fine Ruthie. You need to slowly add it and build it up in your system. Just because you need it doesn't mean you should spray it over your entire body.

The tingling means you are deficient and you should dilute it half and half at least while you build it up in your system.

Also remember that with adding more magnesium you can and should take more calcium, boron, phosphorus, C and D3. To compliment it and build all those bone building and body strengthening nutrients into your system.

So much to do... baby steps.  ;)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:46pm; Reply: 92
I'm already a bit high on D3, after over-supplementing this winter. I should let my D levels get back below 90.

I drink rose hip tea daily for vitamin C.

I do have a cal/mag/xzinc supplement that I'm taking orally; 500 mg of calcium and 250 of magnesium (1 pill per day rather than the 2 recomended on the bottle)  but how do I get boron and phosphorus?

In the past, I took the cal/mag/zinc (2 pills daily) plus extra oral magnesium at night. So the mag spray is designed to be in place of the extra oral mag I've since stopped taking.
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:02pm; Reply: 93
Christa I've read in a lot of places that the oil is supposed to be sprayed in the mouth for enamel repair? Is putting it on the toothbrush better for that? Do you know if the spraying is supposed to be in the back of the throat or under the tongue? The tooth I am desperately trying to strengthen is my front tooth...I wonder if maybe rubbing it in the gum would help?

My main reason for the mag oil is my poor tooth...my vanity hurts more than anything else, lol.

Last night I put the mag oil all over my face, it stung so bad! I actually had to wash it off after like 10 min, and it left my face super soft but a little red. This morning it's still soft. I'm scared though because I have three little moles and I've read that they can actually fall off! That kinda creeps me out. I have a medium sized one on my cheek and it got a little bit poofy. I had sprayed it on my arms earlier and it stung but nowhere nearly as bad.

So do you know if I can still take the 400 mg of mag citrate + the oil? I am severely deficient.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:10pm; Reply: 94
Foods high in boron:
http://www.greenfacts.org/en/boron/toolboxes/2.htm

Info on phosphorus (most animal foods are high)  I wouldn't additionally supplement if I were you.
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/phosphorus/

The mag spray is essentially the best way to absorb magnesium (which isn't very absorbable orally)

And the more deficient you are in magnesium, the more difficult it is to absorb it orally.

Many people with fibro are low in magnesium.

I go through periods of time when I don't need much magnesium oil...seem to have enough...
but recently I've needed to use it...plus take magnesium citrate.  I can feel it  when my magnesium deficiency symptoms return; I get a headache, depression, constipation, achy muscles.

Regarding the itching....this is interesting.
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/understanding-magnesium-replenishment-transdermally/

jesi, because the oil is absorbed quickly and the oral magnesium isn't, you can keep doing both until you
see the transdermal working.  If you wind up with diarrhea, then stop the oral...otherwise, you probably
won't have a problem using both forms.  I take 400 of mag citrate along with the transdermal when I feel
I need it.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:13pm; Reply: 95
Is having tooth sensitivities a sign oh low mag??? just wondering cause my teeth have been crazy sensitive in the last 6 months.
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:15pm; Reply: 96
oh ok, good to know! Thanks a lot! I think I'm going to try spraying it on my armpits and my mouth and my face today. I'm so excited! lol
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:24pm; Reply: 97
Ruthie, scroll down to #6 and #7

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-deficiency/need-more/

According to this information, I'm not sure you want to be taking much calcium until you start absorbing more magnesium.
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:33pm; Reply: 98
Chloe I really liked your link. Do you think maybe then my face burnt like crazy and my arm was just a tiny tickle because I have more toxins on my face? Or could it be that because I use alpha hydroxy and scrubs and stuff my skin there is a little bit more open to receiving the mag?

Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:34pm; Reply: 99
Quoted from Nadizzle
Is having tooth sensitivities a sign oh low mag??? just wondering cause my teeth have been crazy sensitive in the last 6 months.


It's difficult to pinpoint one nutrient as the cause given this sounds more like nerve pain...Nerves require a balance of minerals as well as many other nutrients, it's also possible you have a deficiency in a B vitamin.  B12 is a possibility.

Are you taking any supplements for your blood type?
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:35pm; Reply: 100
and you're right about the calcium...I specifically asked my ND if I should be taking calcium along with mag and he said Nope!
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:38pm; Reply: 101
Quoted from Jesi
and you're right about the calcium...I specifically asked my ND if I should be taking calcium along with mag and he said Nope!


Happy for the validation from a professional. :)

Posted by: Nadizzle, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:42pm; Reply: 102
Quoted from Chloe


It's difficult to pinpoint one nutrient as the cause given this sounds more like nerve pain...Nerves require a balance of minerals as well as many other nutrients, it's also possible you have a deficiency in a B vitamin.  B12 is a possibility.

Are you taking any supplements for your blood type?


I have been eating for my BT for almost two years without any supplements. I just started really getting into the supplements here this week. For ma and for my daughter Katie who has bad acne. I have just today started magnesium and D3. I picked up B5 for my daughter, and have wondered about the B vitamins for myself....Would love your thoughts.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:42pm; Reply: 103
OK, I'll stop taking the oral calcium for now. My vitamin D levels were slightly too high at my last blood test, so low vitamin D levels aren't a CURRENT problem.

Do you think the caffeine in green tea and yerba mate are problematic?

I think I'll try to rotate which body parts get the mag oil spray, to detox all over my body. It doesn't itch/burn so much on my belly anymore, after using it there for a few days (and using the epsom salts spray there for weeks) but it was very uncomfortable on my legs. In fact, it's STILL itchy where I sprayed it about an hour ago.
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:46pm; Reply: 104
Nadizzle I've been battling acne for almost a year now (had it mildly as a teen but pretty badly now, not huge ones but mainly deep ones along my jaw that you can't see but they hurt terrible, and then little tiny bumps that almost look like a rash). I tried the mag oil on my face last night and I'm going to keep trying it. I actually got really good results from doing a Milk of Magnesia mask on my face once a day and then at night dabbing a little of it if I had a big one. I found that online about three weeks ago and immediately started doing it. My pores look beautiful when I wash it off. I think the mag oil will be much better than the milk of magnesia. I'll let you know in a week or so if it works for me.
Posted by: Jesi, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:48pm; Reply: 105
oh forgot to add, I know this should be on the acne thread, sorry. My sisters both have BAD acne...not the kind I had as a teen, but actual acne with scarring, and they both take mag citrate for it, and it clears them right up. That's mainly why I started taking it.
Posted by: Nadizzle, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:50pm; Reply: 106
Quoted from Jesi
Nadizzle I've been battling acne for almost a year now (had it mildly as a teen but pretty badly now, not huge ones but mainly deep ones along my jaw that you can't see but they hurt terrible, and then little tiny bumps that almost look like a rash). I tried the mag oil on my face last night and I'm going to keep trying it. I actually got really good results from doing a Milk of Magnesia mask on my face once a day and then at night dabbing a little of it if I had a big one. I found that online about three weeks ago and immediately started doing it. My pores look beautiful when I wash it off. I think the mag oil will be much better than the milk of magnesia. I'll let you know in a week or so if it works for me.


Ok - thanks Jes! Will wait to hear - if you post it in the thread "12yr old with acne, b+" I will prob see it better than in this one. I am leaving daily updates there. Everyone n it has been SO helpful.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:42pm; Reply: 107
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
A couple sprays a day is fine Ruthie. You need to slowly add it and build it up in your system. Just because you need it doesn't mean you should spray it over your entire body.

The tingling means you are deficient and you should dilute it half and half at least while you build it up in your system.

Also remember that with adding more magnesium you can and should take more calcium, boron, phosphorus, C and D3. To compliment it and build all those bone building and body strengthening nutrients into your system.

So much to do... baby steps.  ;)


I have been reading this entire thread with interest.  Would you be willing to recommend an entire protocol?  I was recently diagnosed with high blood pressure and am interested in finding ways to lower it naturally.  Also, I am now on bio-identical hormones because I am pretty estrogen and progesterone deficient.

Personally, I think the hormones are messing with my blood pressure, cholesterol, you name it!

I will purchase the magnesium oil.  How about your recommendations for calcium, boron, phosphorus, C and D3.  I have some D3 drops that I have been taking.  I also have Systemic C 500 MG by Source Naturals.  I have had trouble with calcium in the past, upsetting my stomach.

Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.  I also do have Dr. D's vitamin and mineral supplements.

I decided to go off all the supplements when I introduced the bio-identical hormones two weeks ago, just to get an idea of if they are working or not.  I was taking so many supplements that I wanted to give my body a chance to respond to the hormones only.  As my symptoms subside on the bio-identicals, I will begin to re-introduce other supplements.

Posted by: Mark, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 7:00pm; Reply: 108
Patty, just eat watermelons. Don't throw away the rinds.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 7:08pm; Reply: 109
wha...? what d'ya do with the rind?
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 7:14pm; Reply: 110
Quoted from Mark
Patty, just eat watermelons. Don't throw away the rinds.


Ditto, Jayneeo's question.  And what is the watermelon for?
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 8:37pm; Reply: 111
Quoted from Nadizzle


I have been eating for my BT for almost two years without any supplements. I just started really getting into the supplements here this week. For ma and for my daughter Katie who has bad acne. I have just today started magnesium and D3. I picked up B5 for my daughter, and have wondered about the B vitamins for myself....Would love your thoughts.



Magnesium and D3 are both good, but if you can afford to do this, consider the Blood type
multi vitamin and mineral formula for type B because it will supply the correct amount
of B vitamins Dr. D believes would be best for you.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT006B
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT008B
Posted by: Mark, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 9:00pm; Reply: 112
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrulline

http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Polyamines
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 9:01pm; Reply: 113
More interesting information on using magnesium oil.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/transdermal-magnesium-therapy.html#MSE
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 9:24pm; Reply: 114
Quoted from Mark


So you eat the watermelon and the rind???
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 9:26pm; Reply: 115
the rind has viagra like benefits!
same component heard say......there s an old thread here somewhere ;)
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 10:15pm; Reply: 116
Viagra like benefits???

Jeez, my 92 year old mother LOVES watermelon!!!  Gives me something to think about . . . :o
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 10:18pm; Reply: 117
Quoted from Lola
it feels so right once you apply it! ;)
I love my shower ritual!!!


Lola, can you run through your shower ritual, including your body oil combo?  Sounds very nice! ;)
Posted by: Mark, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 10:19pm; Reply: 118
Yes Patty, eat the rinds. Your BP will drop significantly in several hours, especially if you drink some water with it. One could even argue eating just the rinds. Avoids all the fructose of the meat.
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 11:16pm; Reply: 119
Quoted from Mark
Yes Patty, eat the rinds. Your BP will drop significantly in several hours, especially if you drink some water with it. One could even argue eating just the rinds. Avoids all the fructose of the meat.


Thank you, Mark.  My mother loves watermelon and is 92, as I mentioned above.  I should listen to her more often  :-/

I will buy some next time I go to Wholefoods.  I assume I should eat organic only?  Is it difficult to get organic watermelon this time of year?

Does the drop in BP last or is it just for a short time?  Do I need to eat it every day?  Any more detail you can provide would be greatly appreciated, Mark.  Thanks!
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 12:43am; Reply: 120
Sensitive teeth and gum disease can also be because of a lack of Co enzyme Q10.

Using mag oil to brush with is great. But brushing with it and taking it orally as a capsule aren't really the same thing. The capsule doesn't break apart until it hits the stomach acid, whereas if use the mag oil on your teeth and gum it will absorb through the walls of the mouth. I'm not suggesting that you swallow the mag oil that you use to brush your teeth with.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 12:53am; Reply: 121
Patty without meeting with you in person and getting a full health history I would not recommend a full health protocol.

For supplements the best are the ones you will find here with Dr D.

Anything extra, that is up to you to source out. It all comes down to people becoming their own health practitioner. I really want to train people to take care of themselves. Take ownership. Also, I would never want to recommend something and have someone come back and say it was wrong for them because I wasn't able to get a full health picture of them.

With phosphorus and boron they can be found as supplements also.

One company that I've found it with is  http://www.truehope.com   - I suggest researching the info they have on this site. Their bone mineral supplement is what I take to get my phosphorus and boron with calcium. It does have magnesium in it also. But I figure a bit more probably won't hurt. lol

Just keep researching and become your own health professional. No one should ever know you body better than you. If you have any questions just keep coming onto the forum and asking. There are so many people willing to help.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 3:16am; Reply: 122
Thank you, Christa.  I am doing that.  Working on the hormones at the moment.  I totally understand.  I need to make it my own.  However, it is great to have the wealth of information available here and I appreciate anything that is shared.  Please know I always do my own research after I receive any recommendations.  That is important to me.  Otherwise, I may not buy into the program . . .
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 3:59am; Reply: 123
ritual:
I dry body brush then shower, and apply the mag oil first after I towel dry, and my other body oil containing lavender to soften skin.....
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 1:40pm; Reply: 124
Quoted from Lola
ritual:
I dry body brush then shower, and apply the mag oil first after I towel dry, and my other body oil containing lavender to soften skin.....


This is the second time I have  heard about dry body brushing . . . my naturopath asked if I did that on an intake form, and frankly I had no idea what she was talking about . . . so much to learn.

Lola, do you have a particular body oil that you buy and add lavendar?  My skin is terribly dry.  This lovely ritual sounds like something that would be beneficial to me.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:21pm; Reply: 125
Oh Patty, dry brushing and body oils!!  This is one of my favorite topics!  (hehe)
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:42pm; Reply: 126
Quoted from Victoria
Oh Patty, dry brushing and body oils!!  This is one of my favorite topics!  (hehe)


Should I start a new thread, Victoria? :o  Would love to learn more!
Posted by: Jesi, Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:47pm; Reply: 127
Quoted from Lola
ritual:
I dry body brush then shower, and apply the mag oil first after I towel dry, and my other body oil containing lavender to soften skin.....


Body brushing is GREAT for cellulite!!! I've been doing it for years.

Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:45pm; Reply: 128
Christa,  I received my mag oil in the mail yesterday from the source you recommended.  THANK YOU!  Unfortunately I did not think ahead and had not bought the distilled water to dilute it.  I'll get some today.  However, not wanting to wait, I did pour a small amount into my hand and rubbed it on my hips once after my shower and again before bed last night.  It definitely burned, which I assumes means I am magnesium deficient?  It will be interesting to see if the burning will go to a tingling once I dilute it with water.

Also, I wanted to let folks know that the same source sells a book, The Magnesium Factor by Mildred S. Seelig, M.D., MPH, Master, American College of Nutrition and Andrea Rosanoff, Ph.D.  Frankly, I am shocked that neither my cardiologist, PCP or naturopath recommended magnesium to me for my recent onset of hypertension.  >:(  Given my family heart disease history, one would think that this would have been something that at least ONE of them recommended.  :-/  The subtitle of the book is, How one Simple Nutrient Can Prevent, Treat, and Reverse:  High Blood Pressure, Heart Disease, Diabetes and Other Chronic Conditions.  HELLO!!!!

First off, I want to send a very warm thank you to you, Christa for bringing this to my attention!!!  Second of all, I want to tell you all how grateful I am for finding this forum.  I have Lola and Andrea to thank for that.  Third, I am going to be sure to post that people buy this book if they post a thread on high blood pressure, heart disease, syndome X, diabetes or high cholesterol.  I am not saying this will eliminate my hypertension, but it sure is a great start.  Who knows maybe I will be able to come off the hydrochlorothiazide!

I just started the book and the authors talk about muscle aches.  I have been having unexplained muscle aches lately.  Hopefully all of this will resolve as well.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, April 11, 2011, 3:51pm; Reply: 129
I'm still trying to figure out the routine for mag oil. It seems like i'm supposed to put it on freshly washed skin, and then wash it off 20-30 minutes later. It's not practical to take 2 showers every day!

If I put it on half an hour before my shower (which can be hard to organize, but is sometimes do-able) then I worry it's not being absorbed well in dirty skin. But if I spray it on after my shower, I feel "unclean" all day, like there's a thick layer of sweat on my body all day.
Posted by: Jesi, Monday, April 11, 2011, 4:39pm; Reply: 130
I spray it on my legs and thighs 30 min before the shower, then rinse it off. Then later in the day (closer to bedtime) I spray my arms, neck and stomach. I can handle the upper half with the oil on, but the legs I can't stand, it feels dirty and icky. The only way I can have the mag oil on my legs without rinsing it, is if I mix it with coconut oil...then it doesn't hurt and it feels more like a moisturizer. I put like a teaspoon on my hand, then spray it four times with the mag oil, and mix it a little bit with the other hand, then put it on.

I am happy to report that I had a small skin tag on my neck that fell off. It took about 1 week. First it started getting puffy and it hurt pretty back if my hair brushed up against it. Then it turned darker, then black, and then the other night I went to see it and it was gone.  :)
Posted by: Jesi, Monday, April 11, 2011, 4:39pm; Reply: 131
oh, I forgot to add, if you dry brush before putting it on (even if you wash it off afterward) it will prob be absorbed better.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, April 11, 2011, 4:49pm; Reply: 132
OK, maybe I'll try to do that dry brushing thing again. For a while, I was waking up with my daughters at 6:45 AM and spending time with them until 7:00 when the bus came, then spraying on oil and hanging out in my nightgown until 7:30 when DS woke up, at which point I'd shower and get dressed while he watches half an hour of TV and then I'd make his breakfast, pack his lunch, etc, and get him on the bus at 7:40. The past few weeks, I've been waking up with DS (usually before his TV show, but not always) so that hasn't worked. I'll aim for that again though- wake up with the girls, dry brush, mag oil, hang out for half an hour, then shower and dress while DS watches TV.

Today, I didn't shower this morning because I just didnt' ahve the energy to do so. I walked a mile on the treadmill late this morning, then showered, and I'm now hanging out in my nightgown covered in mag oil. I plan to shower in about 20 minutes and be dressed again when DD2 gets home from school. This is working for today, but I can't count on this!
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, April 11, 2011, 8:20pm; Reply: 133
This is an interesting video on trandsdermal magnesium oil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxZ_azNySU&feature=player_embedded#at=393

Shows how to use the spray.

I learned a few things I didn't know.  First is that if the mag oil stings, it's reached a part of your
body that's overly toxic.  Secondly was learning that each cell of the body contains a magnesium ion.

No intense reaction would occur from application when magnesium is sufficient.

The magnesium ions have been absorbed when you see the salty ash left by the spray after it dries.


Posted by: Patty H, Monday, April 11, 2011, 9:42pm; Reply: 134
I put mine on after my shower, before my body oil.

A couple of things I wanted to mention.  I have an ongoing rash on my chest that I think is from the Mag oil.   :-/  Also, when I put it on my shoulders and upper back, they turn bright red and it burns.   :o  Do you think I should cut it with more distilled water?
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, April 11, 2011, 11:19pm; Reply: 135
Quoted from Patty H
I put mine on after my shower, before my body oil.

A couple of things I wanted to mention.  I have an ongoing rash on my chest that I think is from the Mag oil.   :-/  Also, when I put it on my shoulders and upper back, they turn bright red and it burns.   :o  Do you think I should cut it with more distilled water?


Is there any place on your body that doesn't give you a rash when you spray?  I probably think
you should change locations of application and maybe add more water.  You can also do this
as a foot bath.  Add a few ounces to water, and soak feet for 30 minutes.  

Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 1:08am; Reply: 136
Chloe, I don't seem to get a rash on my arms, legs or abdomen.  My Derriere seems to get red, too!  :o

My arms and legs are definitely the parts of my body with the least amount of fat on them.  Do you think that might have something to do with it?  The parts of my body with fat on them are better absorbing the mag oil?

I can certainly try to add more water as well.  Thank you for the advice.  ;D
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:39pm; Reply: 137
How long have you been using the mag oil? It might be a 'detox" kind of reaction from the mag oil on cells that are full of toxins.

I had a LOT of irritation in some areas a few weeks into using the mag oil, especially the spot  between my breasts (about 2 square inches of skin)  where I managed to get about a dozen pimples at once. During this time, I still used the mag oil on that part of my b ody, but I made sure to rinse it off after 20-40 minutes so it wouldn't continue to irritate me all day.

I'd suggest rinsing off the mag oil after about 30 minutes, at least until the rashes clear up. That's enough time for all the mag to be absorbed, but it still gives your skin lots of healing time in between.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:50pm; Reply: 138
I really think magnesium oil is most irritating on areas of the body with high toxicity.   Watch the
video from the link I posted above....It explains why it burns or irritates.... It still burns a bit on my arms...but not on my legs...but burns on tops of my feet.  

When I first used the mag oil about 3-4 years ago, anywhere the oil touched my hands, they
wrinkled.  It was bizarre.  Even if I washed it off after applying it all over my body, my hands looked
like they had soaked in salt water for days...shriveled skin on my palms.  Doesn't happen now.

Patty, I can't answer you about the fat issue with certainty but it's for sure fat cells hold onto
toxins. So maybe this explains your irritation?  Still can't say for sure.
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 1:14am; Reply: 139
Ruthie and Chloe,

I have not been rinsing it off, either.  I will try to apply it 30 minutes or so before my shower, although that is difficult with my schedule.  I know some folks apply it after their shower, as well.

I did not apply it to my chest today, as the rash is quite itchy and I want it to clear up a bit more.  Last night the itchiness woke me up, as I am also experiencing peri-menopause, so when I get the night sweats it exacerbates the rash on my chest . . . one step forward, two steps back . . . but I am not giving up!

Thanks!  I'll keep you posted. . .
Posted by: Jesi, Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 2:04am; Reply: 140
It stings like crazy on my thighs...the place where I have the most fat. I spray it everywhere but that's the only place where it hurts. Oh and my face...but it stopped hurting after like three times. My thighs still hurt and turn red...but I don't care! Today I was thinking "wow this would be a good form of torture for criminals, spraying them with mag oil and tying their hands so they can't scratch" LOL.
Posted by: Patty H, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 1:05am; Reply: 141
Jesi, you are too funny.   ;D

I had an MRI today so I decided not to spray it at all.  It was probably a good break for the rash on my chest.  I will start again tomorrow and let you know!   :o
Posted by: Jesi, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:42pm; Reply: 142
Patty that's exactly what happened to my husband...I sprayed him the first or second day I received my mag oil (on his back and neck) and he didn't itch at all which I thought was weird. The next day when he came home, I glanced at his neck and freaked out because he had a million red bumps on it...so I checked his back too, but that wasn't so bad, mainly his neck. After 2 days or so it went away completely. Why don't you try not spraying it there at all and just spraying all your other parts? You'll still absorb it, and it won't give you the rash...I have little bumps all over my chest (not red ones, almost invisible ones that you can see in the sun) and the mag oil makes it worse...so I don't spray my neck/chest anymore...and it got better.
Posted by: battle dwarf, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:16pm; Reply: 143
i had a smample of mag gel. i did not notice any effect, dose that mean i have suffence mag in my system already or that the gel was not strong enouph?
i had a real pain in the knee last night that i used the last of the sample on, it did tingle a bit and my knee is fine today.
Posted by: Jesi, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:41pm; Reply: 144
when I use the mag oil straight up (w/o diluting) it stings like crazy, but if I mix it with a little bit of coconut oil or lotion, it doesn't sting at all (and yet I know I'm deficient)...so in your case the gel might have some aloe vera or something that helps with the stinging. If it stung a little bit it means your body could use it. I'm glad it helped!
Posted by: battle dwarf, Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:43pm; Reply: 145
it may have but i also took two muscle relaxers (mild) before bed. i have to work i can not aford to hurt, so i take no chances.
Posted by: maukik, Friday, April 15, 2011, 3:05am; Reply: 146
My husband had radiation to his throat/neck for metastatic cancer of the base of the tongue 5 yrs ago.  He has many side effects from the treatments.  One complication is that the muscles and tissue of his neck are sclerotic, hard as a rock.  It is really bad and causes him much discomfort.  He lost a lot of weight and I tease him and tell him he looks like Barney on the old Andy Griffith show.  Good spirited, don't worry, and he loves Barney Fife so that is a compliment to him. His chest and upper back muscles and tissue are also affected.  His doctor has never thought physical therapy would be of benefit, told him he just has to live with it. Nice doctor, we are very fond of him, but he says that is just the way it is.  We made an appointment for Monday, because it has gotten so bad, to see if he might think differently.  May have to cancel it.

He has taken magnesium for quite a while because of pretty severe constipation from medications he has to take.

Today, we received our magnesium oil.  I sprayed it on his neck and rubbed it in, told him to shower in 30 mins. and left to pick up my granddaughter. When I got back I checked his neck.  We could not believe it! The change in the feel of his neck was beyond drastic.  We could manipulate the muscle, the tissue under the skin and the skin.  We can't wait to use it tomorrow.  I am going to put it on our Head and Neck Cancer list.  He had the same cancer as Michael Douglas with many complications that Mr. Douglas did not have.  Too much to write about now.
Posted by: Jesi, Friday, April 15, 2011, 3:25am; Reply: 147
that's awesome that it helped him so much!  :)
Posted by: BTypeAUS, Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:09am; Reply: 148
Why do t u take a magnesium tablet instead? I take one every day for my back lain ..it's the correct dosage and I also take a B 6 tablet with it too.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 15, 2011, 6:16am; Reply: 149
such good news!!! :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:50am; Reply: 150
Wow Maukik!
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, April 15, 2011, 1:52pm; Reply: 151
Maukik....what a testimony for magnesium oil! :)

Please update us on your DH's progress!
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, April 15, 2011, 5:33pm; Reply: 152
That's so wonderful, Maukik!!  (hehe)

Here's something else that could possibly help ~
I've been rinsing my mouth with a solution of baking soda and sea salt for a long time, just to get a healthy PH for the gums and teeth.  It occurred to me that the inside of the mouth would absorb magnesium also;  so I have been adding magnesium to the mix.  I slosh and hold it in my mouth for as long as I can, then spit.  A nice side effect is that mag. is supposed to help to remineralize the teeth.
Posted by: Jesi, Friday, April 15, 2011, 5:48pm; Reply: 153
yup...I do that too, and brush my teeth with it a few times a week as well. My teeth have never been whiter!
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, April 15, 2011, 5:53pm; Reply: 154
Victoria, I've been doing the same thing for a week.....Water, baking soda, no sea salt because
I take a tsp of sole in plain water when I wake up....but I spray about 12 sprays of mag oil into
my mouth before drinking some baking soda/water....and hold it and swish it for about 20
minutes while I'm showering and getting dressed.  By the time I brush my teeth, though, my
mouth feels like cotton, although my teeth are so much whiter.

I thought the same thing....magnesium oil has to be transdermally absorbed in the mouth as
well as the rest of the body.

As for sole, that's a whole other subject....that would require another thread if anyone is interested in chatting about it.

http://www.americanbluegreen.com/sole.html

http://www.himalayanlivingsalt.com/sole_applications.htm
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, April 15, 2011, 6:10pm; Reply: 155
Chloe, I drank a sole solution for at least a couple of years.  Then I think I reached a saturation point where it didn't appeal to me so I stopped.  But I started using more salt in my cooking, which I enjoy a lot!  Especially that yummy Himalayan Crystal salt!  (drool)
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:19pm; Reply: 156
Quoted from Victoria
Chloe, I drank a sole solution for at least a couple of years.  Then I think I reached a saturation point where it didn't appeal to me so I stopped.  But I started using more salt in my cooking, which I enjoy a lot!  Especially that yummy Himalayan Crystal salt!  (drool)


I drank it for a few years, stopped for a few years and just started using it again.  I do that
too...I know when my body wants something then quits needing it.  Nice to have a smart body
that speaks to me so very quietly! :)

Posted by: maukik, Friday, April 15, 2011, 8:36pm; Reply: 157
Quoted from Victoria
That's so wonderful, Maukik!!  (hehe)

Here's something else that could possibly help ~
I've been rinsing my mouth with a solution of baking soda and sea salt for a long time, just to get a healthy PH for the gums and teeth.  It occurred to me that the inside of the mouth would absorb magnesium also;  so I have been adding magnesium to the mix.  I slosh and hold it in my mouth for as long as I can, then spit.  A nice side effect is that mag. is supposed to help to remineralize the teeth.


Great idea!  I will suggest he do that and I am sure he will try it.  He has to take meticulous care of his mouth because once radiated you don't want to have any work done on your teeth if you can help it.  And they can disintegrate easily because of the destruction radiation does to the bone.  Prior to radiation they tell you to go have all of the dental work done, teeth pulled, that you think you may ever have a problem with...that is what caused one of his worst side effects.  

He had a wisdom tooth pulled about 2 weeks before starting radiation.  His gut told him not to do it, but they instilled such fear in him that he went ahead and had it done.  First mistake of several.  He went back a week later because he was having so much pain.  They said that was normal, he didn't think so, but left, came home and lived with it for a week.  He started radiation, still having a lot of pain.  I looked in his mouth and he had an obvious abscess.  We went to the oncology dentist, they looked into his mouth and said everything looked fine, pushing us out the door.  I said, "what is that red, edematous, hot area there in his mouth".  They called in another dentist.  He took one look and said YES, infected.  That was the beginning of multiple surgeries on his jaw, loss of jaw bone and some teeth, trismus (the inability to open your mouth, in his case less than your little finger would fit), septicemia, a PICC line, nearly dying, a feeding tube (not so unusual with that kind of cancer), all while getting daily radiation, broken jawbone for over two years (vitamin D healed that after 40 hyperbaric oxygen treatments early on didn't ), ongoing physical dependence to morphine and on and on.

Lesson: Getting on my soapbox now...I pay my good hard earned money to a doctor because he has education, knowledge and expertise that I do not have.  As far as blindly following what he tells me to do, I do not, (with the exception of Dr D, so far lo these 13 or so years, but that is because he makes incredible sense to me).  I appreciate and take what a doctor says, sometimes do exactly what he/she says, sometimes think about it, sometimes ask others, sometimes search online, etc. I have known great doctors and not so great.  I love my doctors and usually do exactly what they recommend, not always.  I do not feel that is disrespecting the doctor, I have paid him for his knowledge.  If he feels offended, he will have to get over it.  I would not expect anyone to do what I tell them to do if it does not make sense to them or if they feel it isn't right for them.  When friends and family call me for advise (an everday occurance), it does sometimes frustrate me that they take my time and don't try what I recommend, as in "you might want to stop drinking all of that milk you blood type A" (only nicer). (I don't practice medicine, I am only a nurse, I simply tell them what I would do, which many times is just, "you better call the doctor".  If I were being paid, it would be a different matter.  They could call me and disregard what I tell them if they want.  It was a fair exchange.  I think I would consider it the end of the deal (other than my overall concern for their well-being).  

I know you didn't ask for all of that, geeze were were just talking about magnesium oil being good for the teeth, but I think it is important to seek expert advise then use your own brain, follow your gut.  I have many other stories about loved ones who did not do that and paid a very high price or the ultimate price.

Back to the subject.  My husband's neck was starting to stiffen just a little today; nothing like yesterday.  We will use the mag oil tonight and I will report back.  

Thanks everybody for your comments.

TMI?
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, April 15, 2011, 8:47pm; Reply: 158
maukik, blessings to your husband!  He's been through a lot!  I hope the magnesium provides improvement in many ways and that step by step, you are able to find many other effective ways to improve his health and quality of life!   :K)
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, April 15, 2011, 8:50pm; Reply: 159
Quoted from maukik


  I appreciate and take what a doctor says, sometimes do exactly what he/she says, sometimes think about it, sometimes ask others, sometimes search online, etc. I have known great doctors and not so great.    


So true...I totally agree with you!  :)

Best of health to you and your DH!
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, April 15, 2011, 9:43pm; Reply: 160
Had to share this...never knew there could be a magnesium deficiency connection to hair
loss.

I used to randomly find lots of hair in my shower drain...thinking it could be aging, low thyroid
or stress...but lately, I don't see much hair in the drain...and I've been diligently
spraying magnesium oil all over my body in the morning for the past 4 weeks.  Wonder if
anyone else has noticed their hair isn't falling out (if it was)  I always thought thinning hair
was expected as one aged.  Don't think so anymore.  Magnesium deficiency.  WOW!

http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.php/hairloss/page2-newsarticles/magnesium_oil_for_hair_loss
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, April 15, 2011, 10:10pm; Reply: 161
Maukik, I am so glad that your husband is reaping the benefits of the mag oil.  The stuff is amazing!

I have stopped using it on my chest, where I had the rash, for the past three days.  The rash is clearing up.  My shoulders and bum still get quite red and sting, but that is ok.  It goes away after a short time.

I was interested to hear that some people dilute it with oil instead of distilled water.  Maybe that would ease the incidence of the rash?
Posted by: maukik, Friday, April 15, 2011, 10:36pm; Reply: 162
Patty, are you real fair skinned?  So far, only 2 doses, it hasn't burned my husband. He just put some on again and it really is amazing how different his neck feels.  He is not real fair skinned.
I was wondering if using oil would cause the absorption to be slower or different. Is there somewhere else on your body that is a little tougher that you could try?

Victoria, he came right in and did a mouth cleanse using the mag oil when I told him what you guys are doing with it.  I am going to try it that way, too.  

I haven't used it at all yet.  I may tonight.  I had been soaking my feet in epsom salt every night.  That was relaxing.  I was falling asleep 2 hrs earlier doing that.  Went from 2am to midnight.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:12pm; Reply: 163
Quoted from maukik

I was wondering if using oil would cause the absorption to be slower or different. Is there somewhere else on your body that is a little tougher that you could try?

I haven't used it at all yet.  I may tonight.  I had been soaking my feet in epsom salt every night.  That was relaxing.  I was falling asleep 2 hrs earlier doing that.  Went from 2am to midnight.


I have a feeling that the oil would slow absorption.  Not necessarily a bad thing.  Since applying it to the skin leaves a kind of "salty-ish" coating (much like swimming in the ocean and not rinsing it off), it might feel more comfortable to use the oil with it.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:46am; Reply: 164
maukik,
was your husband a smoker?

how did his diet look like when younger?
Posted by: maukik, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 2:24am; Reply: 165
No, Lola.  He never smoked.  He drank alcohol occasionally.  

He is an A.  I suspect he is a warrior based on his measurements.  Could be an explorer because of all of his illnesses.  He contracted polio on his 2nd birthday.  He had a poor diet, huge milk drinker, lived on hot dogs.  He still does not follow the BTD.  I have tried cooking for him.  He likes, and will eat some things, but then he eats so many foods that he shouldn't eat.  He admires the way I eat and the changes in my health/appearance, but he tells me not to worry about fixing food for him. To be honest, it is all I can do to prepare food for myself.  If he would follow the diet, I would invest the time.  I make a lot of veggie things that he could eat, but he doesn't. At least he is not eating beef now.  His taste buds were destroyed, along with his saliva glands when he had radiation, and he lost his taste for beef.  The taste buds and saliva glands have healed slightly. He still has a lot of dairy.

He has health insurance, I don't have any.  I am very motivated to be as healthy as I can be, not to mention how much better I feel. But, I was that way when I had health insurance and he had always been one that would rather have a surgery/pill and eat whatever.  Hard for me to fathom when he has suffered so many illnesses.
Posted by: Patty H, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:03am; Reply: 166
Quoted from maukik
Patty, are you real fair skinned?  So far, only 2 doses, it hasn't burned my husband. He just put some on again and it really is amazing how different his neck feels.  He is not real fair skinned.
I was wondering if using oil would cause the absorption to be slower or different. Is there somewhere else on your body that is a little tougher that you could try?

Victoria, he came right in and did a mouth cleanse using the mag oil when I told him what you guys are doing with it.  I am going to try it that way, too.  

I haven't used it at all yet.  I may tonight.  I had been soaking my feet in epsom salt every night.  That was relaxing.  I was falling asleep 2 hrs earlier doing that.  Went from 2am to midnight.


Yes, maukik, I am very fair skinned.  In fact I went to a dermatologist recently and he pointed out how many freckles I have and how fair skinned I am.  I sometimes forget because I always use tinted moisturizer with spf in it.

It does not burn as much when I apply it to my legs and arms.  Honestly, though, I am not too bothered by the redness an slight burning on my other body parts.  I stopped using it on my chest which has helped.  I feel I need it so I am powering through it! :o

Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:31am; Reply: 167
maukik,
sorry you are going through all this hardship!
Posted by: maukik, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:00pm; Reply: 168
Quoted from Lola
maukik,
sorry you are going through all this hardship!


Thank you, Lola.  All of that is just the tip of the iceburg.  But, I have a lot of joy in my life, too.  

I used our new magnesium oil last night.  I woke up moving my shoulder, that has been aching when I move it in a certain direction lately, with perfect ease.  That ache had gone away completely with leaving off wheat and sugar, but has returned (not as badly) with carrying around my youngest 17 mo. old grandchild.  I just can't not do that  :).
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:19pm; Reply: 169
Any recommendations on the brand of magnesium oil to use?
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:31pm; Reply: 170
Quoted from Kim
Any recommendations on the brand of magnesium oil to use?

Earlier in the thread there are recommendations...
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:42pm; Reply: 171
Quoted from Kim
Any recommendations on the brand of magnesium oil to use?


I find SWANSON'S to be the cheapest for those in the USA and equal to Ancient Minerals.  Both are from the same Zechstein sea bed.  I started with this 3 pack and later bought a gallon.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU485/ItemDetail

Posted by: maukik, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:39pm; Reply: 172
Swanson's is the one I just ordered.
Posted by: Kim, Saturday, April 16, 2011, 9:13pm; Reply: 173
Thank you!! ;) ;D :B
Posted by: battle dwarf, Monday, April 18, 2011, 2:40am; Reply: 174
this may have been answered earlier but is mag oil tecnacly Hydrated Magnesium Chloride? i don't know what the quality is like but i found a place were i can get it for rouphly 1$a pound. it is a 55lb bulk but if you use alot of it it might be worth it.
http://www.bulknaturaloils.com/Products/15879-magnesium-chloride.aspx
Posted by: Possum, Monday, April 18, 2011, 2:45am; Reply: 175
My understanding is, that it is Magnesium Chloride... ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, April 23, 2011, 3:49pm; Reply: 176
Had to share this....Calcium channel blocker meds are going to be used for chronic pain control.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/223189.php

Magnesium, which is a natural calcium channel blocker already works for pain.

http://www.newtreatments.org/ga.php?linkid=275

Of course, big pharma finds new ways to make $$$$...... doesn't suggest natural solutions.

Posted by: Lin, Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 3:12pm; Reply: 177
This is a great thread.  I've bought magnesium oil and sprayed a little on my neck and got a surprise at the sting, good job I read on this thread that I just need to dilute with water.
thanks,
Lin
Posted by: BHealthy, Tuesday, December 4, 2012, 12:20am; Reply: 178
http://www.mineralifeonline.com/pd-magnesium-oil-8oz.cfm#main has their magnesium oil on sale this month -- 30% off with code hollyjolly12.
Posted by: prunella, Tuesday, December 4, 2012, 1:31am; Reply: 179
I am guessing that all mag oil is not created equal.  I bought some relatively inexpensive stuff--Life Flo brand.
I can't tell yet whether it is making much difference after 14 days. I have been using mag oil daily and see uncertain but possible improvement.   I get severe twinges of pain in one leg, not always the same spot. Also, I have been treating a large freckle on my forehead. No changes yet.

Do I need

A. a  quality mag oil

B. treatment for varicose veins

C. patience  AKA tincture of time  ??    
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