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Posted by: Luana, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 1:13am
I was sitting today in a church service and someone pulled out a bottle of frankinscense to rub over their hands next to me.  Well, talk about a lung reaction.  I'm still in pain and that was almost 6 hours ago.  Not impressed with my inability to handle natural oils but that was quite strong it almost knocked me over.  I do have mild asthma but apparently this oil is suppose help asthma not cause it.  Just venting!
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:24am; Reply: 1
A bottle? of oil? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. ??)

In some liturgical churches frankincense is censed over the altar during the service.
How do you know what someone was putting on his/her hands?

I work with essential oils and I'm not able to figure out what happened there.
A little bottle of essential oil? I doubt that.
Some vegetable oil with frankincense infused in it maybe? I can't imagine what that would be supposed to accomplish.
Did you ask about this? ??)
I'm quite baffled.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:28am; Reply: 2
might not have been too natural, no?
now a days, essential oils are being replaced by chemical laden imitations.....
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:32am; Reply: 3
I can't imagine what that really was.

First of all, essential oil of frankincense is simply not very evaporative. It's a fixative and doesn't perfuse the air well. It just doesn't "carry" enough to be all that noticeable.

Secondly, if it's natural it is a soothing resin, balm for the bronchi.

Thirdly, it's not exactly a hand lotion. It isn't readily recommended for that purpose.

The whole thing sounds odd, certainly not like a genuine essential oil story. :-/
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:38am; Reply: 4
Quoted from Lola
might not have been too natural, no?
now a days, essential oils are being replaced by chemical laden imitations.....


In the United States we have many brands of pure, natural essential oils to choose from. I have no problem obtaining these in retail outlets, and they are also available on line. I think it's unfair to imply that companies are "replacing" the real thing, for which there is a growing market, with phony stuff.

Just as Peter is rightly proud of the quality of his products, other companies are very proud of the quality of theirs. The customers of those companies can tell the difference. All such a company has to do is start cutting synthetics into their "pure" products and they'd quickly lose their serious clientele along with their reputations.

I highly doubt that what happened at luana's church was that a distiller/distributor of essential oil of frankincense was pursuing such a scenario and that luana was a victim of it! ::)

Doesn't it make sense to try to ascertain what really happened there? Isn't that why luana posted? The thread is entitled "Inflammatory reaction to frankincense". Whatever luana is reacting to, it doesn't sound like it's actual frankincense, and she should know that and seek another explanation. :)

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:21am; Reply: 5
Quoted from san j
I can't imagine what that really was.

First of all, essential oil of frankincense is simply not very evaporative. It's a fixative and doesn't perfuse the air well. It just doesn't "carry" enough to be all that noticeable.

Secondly, if it's natural it is a soothing resin, balm for the bronchi.

Thirdly, it's not exactly a hand lotion. It isn't readily recommended for that purpose.

The whole thing sounds odd, certainly not like a genuine essential oil story. :-/
San j...I can definitely believe it!! I react to all sorts of those oils, even from across the room, if someone has even not screwed the lid down tight!!! Just because you have never personally experienced this type of reaction (sounds like a salicylate sensitivity) please don't try top discredit other's reactions ::)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:22am; Reply: 6
Quoted from san j


In the United States we have many brands of pure, natural essential oils to choose from. I have no problem obtaining these in retail outlets, and they are also available on line. I think it's unfair to imply that companies are "replacing" the real thing, for which there is a growing market, with phony stuff.

Just as Peter is rightly proud of the quality of his products, other companies are very proud of the quality of theirs. The customers of those companies can tell the difference. All such a company has to do is start cutting synthetics into their "pure" products and they'd quickly lose their serious clientele along with their reputations.

I highly doubt that what happened at luana's church was that a distiller/distributor of essential oil of frankincense was pursuing such a scenario and that luana was a victim of it! ::)

Doesn't it make sense to try to ascertain what really happened there? Isn't that why luana posted? The thread is entitled "Inflammatory reaction to frankincense". Whatever luana is reacting to, it doesn't sound like it's actual frankincense, and she should know that and seek another explanation. :)




I have been to France and have seen lavender fields and have been in million dollar distilleries. The amount of lavender (just as an example) that leaves France and is called "lavender oil" is more than 500 times the amount of actual pure lavender oil that is grown there. How is this possible? It's because it only needs to be atleast 1% to claim that it is made of pure essential oil. What it's not saying is that it is filled with synthetics.

Everyday I explain what pure essential oil really is. Where it comes from. What it takes to plant by hand, grow without chemicals and machinery, pick at the right time of day to yield the best oils, what an art and science distilling pure essential oils is, how it is a guarded secret as much as distilling fine wines is.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. No matter what anyone else says, if the company that sells you "essential oils" cannot show you the farms they grow their plants on that they get their essential oil from, they cannot tell you honestly what is in their so called "essential oils".

99.9% of the oil companies buy from wholesale brokers and do not own their own farms. They are about making money, not about getting you pure therapeutic grade essential oils.

There is only one company that I know of in the world that can offer the proof of purity. This the the only company I use, buy and sell PURE ORGANIC REAL ESSENTIAL OILS from.

Once again... show me the companies farms and plants or I will not believe that they are really selling you pure organic real unadulterated essential oils.

So going back to whether the frankincense oil the woman in church rubbed on her hands, was pure or not. Heck no! lol No wonder you felt an asthmatic reaction. Frankincense is an oil I use on a weekly basis. There are not sharp notes to it. It is smooth with a light spice to it and a blend of earthy tones.

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:15am; Reply: 7
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
I have been to France and have seen lavender fields and have been in million dollar distilleries. The amount of lavender (just as an example) that leaves France and is called "lavender oil" is more than 500 times the amount of actual pure lavender oil that is grown there. How is this possible? It's because it only needs to be atleast 1% to claim that it is made of pure essential oil. What it's not saying is that it is filled with synthetics.
I imagine it's like that with lots of industries - one I do know of is the honey industry here in NZ...More "Manuka honey" is exported to other places than is produced here:o

Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:24am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Possum
I imagine it's like that with lots of industries - one I do know of is the honey industry here in NZ...More "Manuka honey" is exported to other places than is produced here:o



Hmmm... why am I really not suprised? lol That figures. The whole honey things is another big "can of worms" conversation. I love chatting on here. I think Possum if just you and I got together we could chat for years about all our thought on things. You and a few choice other on here I feel exactly the same about! *hugs* It also helpls that you're a bit of a weirdo... I love weirdos!!! lol Because that's what I am!

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:41am; Reply: 9
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Hmmm... why am I really not suprised? lol That figures. The whole honey things is another big "can of worms" conversation. I love chatting on here. I think Possum if just you and I got together we could chat for years about all our thought on things. You and a few choice other on here I feel exactly the same about! *hugs* It also helpls that you're a bit of a weirdo... I love weirdos!!! lol Because that's what I am!
Hmmph...I could pretend to be insulted but since it's true I can't argue...even though I would prefer "unique" or even "a tad eccentric" as a description :D
Oh & it just occurred  to me how "relevant" it would be to pull out frankinscence at church... even though it unfortunately caused such a reaction...
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:45am; Reply: 10
Fine eccentric it is!!! I used to think only really really wealthy people could be eccentric... of course I'm pretty eccentric and still waiting on my millions to get here... so yes... we are both very eccentric. I do see being weird or a weirdo as a good thing to. Totally a compliment coming from me.  ;D
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:55am; Reply: 11
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Fine eccentric it is!!! I used to think only really really wealthy people could be eccentric... of course I'm pretty eccentric and still waiting on my millions to get here... so yes... we are both very eccentric. I do see being weird or a weirdo as a good thing to. Totally a compliment coming from me.  ;D
Which is why I said I could pretend to be insulted... :D ;) Oh and another thing we are good at & could do all night...hijack threads ;) oops??!!

Posted by: O in Virginia, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 2:06pm; Reply: 12
Luana, I've never heard of anyone putting frankincense oil on their hands in church.  That's very interesting.  Which denomination was it, if you don't mind my asking (don't answer, obviously, if you don't feel comfortable).  We have frankincense in a censor that gets swung around at our Christmas Eve service (Episcopal).  The smoke gets pretty thick because our church is small.
Posted by: Luana, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 2:32pm; Reply: 13
I was at a Church of God International service in Toronto.  After the service I asked the woman next to me what it was because it was so strong and she said frankincense.  She said that it was only pure oils and not chemicals.  I said there must have been an alcohol base in it or something because of my reaction and it was soooo strong.  She said no.  I saw the box she took the oil out of and it said "Oils for Everyday Use".  I did not think to ask to look at the box.  She told me she had cuts on her hands from them being so dry and working in the kitchen and that's why she rubbed it on her hands.  My friend with me told her that next time if the seh sees me coming to go the other way if she is using something like that.

I have been finding it very difficult to go into crowds at certain churches if the people wear cologne and perfumes.  I can't deal with it.  Last night I was awake for a while with the pain and I am still feeling the pain in my chest.  It might take a good 24-48 hours to heal.  

I received the Explorer pack this week and plan to take the supplements.  Maybe it will help me get the bad stuff out  :(

Maybe licorice root or chamomile tea will help soothe the brochial tube that's so sore.  
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 3:28pm; Reply: 14
I travel on planes a lot so I carry Benadryl with me.  It is the only OTC medicine I take.  I usually take 1 when I get on the plane because I’m stuck for flight time where I’m at.  I’ve had to pop it in early in the waiting room when my throat tightens up, but at least there I can walk to another spot.   It’s a expletive deleted being so sensitive to other people’s perfumes, hand lotion, hair spray, etc.  
Posted by: Luana, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:19pm; Reply: 15
Good point RedLila.  I carry an inhaler but I haven't tried Benadryl tablets.  I'm sensitive to injesting chemicals so the inhaler seems to work  for me if I need it but I don't do well with that either since it makes me so shakey!  Might just try the Benadryl tablets.  I'm a bit nervous about trying the liquid. I don't do well with substances.

Glad someone can relate on this board.  It's sooo frustrating!
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 5:31pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from san j


Doesn't it make sense to try to ascertain what really happened there? Isn't that why luana posted? The thread is entitled "Inflammatory reaction to frankincense". Whatever luana is reacting to, it doesn't sound like it's actual frankincense, and she should know that and seek another explanation. :)



I'll repeat it. What happened at Luana's church was obviously not what the title of this thread says. Luana may have reacted to something. But what she reacted to was NOT pure essential oil of frankincense. It would be a good idea for her to find out just WHAT was in that preparation and make sure she does her best to avoid that, not to avoid Frankincense. As it stands, the title gives the false impression that Frankincense is an inflammatory.

As for the frankincense that is censed in liturgical churches such as "O in Virginia"s, it is usually in the form of the actual hard resin of frankincense, rather than in "oil" form. It is ignited and stirred, the embers emitting a smoke that emerges from holes in the censer. To my knowledge these hard drops of resin are collected directly from the frankincense bush. And no one's going to supply you with the desert address of the bush, by the way. ::)

Christy: Again, there are a number of reputable essential oils distillers and distributors who deal in 100% pure essential oils. Plus: They can identify  the provenance of the oils. I own products from these companies. The one you're touting is not the only one in the world that guarantees this. :)

I do know what you mean about the vast majority of so-called essential oil being impure; it is in fact NOT made for therapeutic purposes but for industrial, anyway. The increasing popularity and importance of the aromatherapy and aromamedicine market is spawning small companies that ensure the purity of their essential oils, however. Here in California there are a few of them.
So: Take heart! :D

Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:06pm; Reply: 17

Luana I have heard of people putting essential oils on their hands. Using drops of oils and rubbing their hands together. Than rubbing their hands over their face, neck and body. So yes she may believe what she had was pure.

Also, sometimes people have reactions to things that they need. You could have been having a "healing crisis" reaction from what she used. If it really was a pure organic oil. Your reaction could have been because your body was/is so in need of it's healing properties. Getting a big sniff of it could have put you into such a deep healing that it started to cause you pain. I have had reactions to certain foods on my diamond list that really are good for me. Than realized I needed to slowly ease my way back into those foods once I had healed enough from using other foods.

I still strongly feel that what you came in contact with at church was a woman who should have used her impure oils at home in her own space. Putting on any scent while in public is inconsiderate and rude, no matter what it's purity. What you could do is buy yourself a pure essential oil such as peppermint and when you have an issues with someone else's smells you can go to the restroom and smell your peppermint until you feel balanced and good again. I met a woman that was told she couldn't take her oxygen tank onto a plane right before our flight from Vancouver, Canada to England. She didn't know how she's handle the flight. I handed her my bottle of peppermint oil and she breathed it in a few times and was able to get through the flight just fine. I still know this woman. Everyone else on the plane was fine with the smell as peppermint is a smell everyone handles quite nicely. The woman next to her on the plane kept commenting that it smelled like peppermint chocolates to her.

Life is all a learning experience.

Sanj - My name is Christa. No y. lol Just wanted to clarify that. "Christy" is a cookie company. "Mr.Christy". lol
With the essentials oils you feel comfortable with using, I'm happy for you that you feel what you have is good enough for you. I am sharing my personal opinion and you have a right to yours. I will agree to disagree, please do the same. I'm sure we share many other similar beliefs. This is something I won't budge on, like I said, unless the company can prove that it has organic farms and grows its own plants and has its own distilleries.
Posted by: Luana, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:14pm; Reply: 18
Thanks for your input Christa.  :)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:25pm; Reply: 19
You're welcome. Hope it can help somewhat. :)
Posted by: O in Virginia, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:46pm; Reply: 20
Luana, a lot of people seem to have very strong reactions to scents of any kind.  I'm not one of them, but it depends on the scent.  I enjoy perfumes (though not near my face) and essential oils and perfume oils -- it depends, some I tolerate better than others.  My husband is very sensitive to smells compared to me.  It sounds like you are someone who is also very sensitive to odors, for whatever reason.

I'm surprised that the frankincense in oil form (as opposed to smoke) produced such a strong reaction.  Maybe Christa is right about it being something beneficial creating a crisis situation; or perhaps as San j suggests there were other ingredients in the oil as well.  There would have to be a carrier oil.  Frankincense doesn't have a strong odor until it is burned on a charcoal tab.  I had some frankincense oil years ago, but I think the frankincense resin (which, yes, comes from a bush) would have to be steeped in an oil, or maybe crushed and oil added to liquify, and I still believe it would not be that strong of an odor to produce such a reaction.  I agree, it does seem odd.

I have become interested in aromatherapy, and in a book I have by Valerie Ann Worwood (highly recommend) called The Fragrant Mind, she talks about the qualities of frankincense:

"Character - Elevating, Spiritual, Meditative, Wisdom

Use For These Positive Attributes
Comfort, Healing, Emotional stability, Enlightenment, Protective, Introspection, Courage, Resolution, Fortitude, Acceptance, Inspiraiton

Use to Counteract These Negative Attributes
Fears, Grief, Blockages, Overattachment, Burnout, Exhaustion, Insincerity, Panic, Anxiety, Disconnection, Repression, Resistance, Self-destruction, Apprehension, Despair."

That's a lot, but just thought I'd share that little bit about frankincense from my book.  For what it's worth to you.   ;)
Posted by: Luana, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 6:54pm; Reply: 21
O in Virginia very much appreciated :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:33pm; Reply: 22
frankincense = boswellia serrata = Weihrauch??)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:43pm; Reply: 23
Yes Isa by the way I cannot use HCL plus pepsine that I buoght as my valve from stomac to esofagus probably doesn't  close well and I felt a kind of mild hungry reflux the first time ; should I try once more ? I feel a better digestion with green tea, ginger and pineapple, if I am compliant as I am 95 %
Posted by: san j, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:24pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from christaalyssaA+

Sanj -
With the essentials oils you [san j adds: and most of the world's top respected aromamedical/therapeutic professionals] feel comfortable with using, I'm happy for you that you feel what you have is good enough for you. This is something I won't budge on, like I said, unless the company can prove that it has organic farms and grows its own plants and has its own distilleries.


Whether or not you "budge", Christa? That's not my business. Whether or not people know there are reputable companies supplying the aromamedical community all over the world with pure, therapeutic grade organic essential oils from companies other than the one that employs you is something else. I wouldn't cast aspersions on some of the finest teachers, practitioners and distillers that exist out there, to favor only ONE and "diss" all the others!

As you say, I'm happy for you! It really is wonderful to work for a company you so love! Continue to enjoy. In the meantime, here are the links to the sites of some of the companies providing Americans and Europeans with good, pure, organic, clean essential oils. Oh, and I don't work for any of these:

http://www.originalswissaromatics.com/

http://www.elizabethvanburen.com/
    
Note: I don't own any from here, but the brochure is interesting
Also note: The above URL is correct. If the link doesn't work, just delete the part of the web address at the end that isn't in the above-typed link.

http://www.simplers.com/herbal/organic.htm

Farms local herbs only. Buys worldwide from organic farmers.
* * * * * * *

Believe me, there are a few more with which I'm acquainted. And, Christy, the more the merrier! :D If your company can keep the Southern Hemisphere in good, clean products, I'm all for it.
May everyone be as satisfied as you are with your company.
:D
Absolutely no hard feelings here. I'm not ashamed to stand with the likes of Kurt Schnaubelt and Robert Tisserand and Michael Scholes, Drs. Daniel Pénoël et al, in using essential oils from sources other than your company, and I won't encourage others to feel guilty for doing the same.

Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:33pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
There is only one company that I know of in the world that can offer the proof of purity. This the the only company I use, buy and sell PURE ORGANIC REAL ESSENTIAL OILS from.  
Please which one is that?

Posted by: deblynn3, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:39pm; Reply: 26
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I still strongly feel that what you came in contact with at church was a woman who should have used her impure oils at home in her own space. Putting on any scent while in public is inconsiderate and rude, no matter what it's purity. What you could do is buy yourself a pure essential oil such as peppermint and when you have an issues with someone else's smells you can go to the restroom and smell your peppermint until you feel balanced and good again. I met a woman that was told she couldn't take her oxygen tank onto a plane right before our flight from Vancouver, Canada to England. She didn't know how she's handle the flight. I handed her my bottle of peppermint oil and she breathed it in a few times and was able to get through the flight just fine. I still know this woman. Everyone else on the plane was fine with the smell as peppermint is a smell everyone handles quite nicely. The woman next to her on the plane kept commenting that it smelled like peppermint chocolates to her.

I also feel this is very rude as well as chewing gum and combing your hair, clipping your nails. The last two should have been done at home. A slight scent is pleasant, anything more is tear gas.
Posted by: yaeli, Sunday, January 30, 2011, 11:38pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from yaeli
Please which one is that?
Just saw it in the other thread - thanks.

Posted by: Possum, Monday, January 31, 2011, 12:08am; Reply: 28
Toxicology
The following table lists the LD50 or median lethal dose for common oils; this is the dose required to kill half the members of a tested population.LD50 is intended as a guideline only, and reported values can vary widely due to differences in tested species and testing conditions.[14]
Common Name     Oral LD50     Dermal LD50     Notes
Neem     14 g/kg     >2 g/kg     
Lemon myrtle     2.43 g/kg     2.25 g/kg     
Frankincense     >5 g/kg     >5 g/kg     Boswellia carterii
Frankincense     >2 g/kg     >2 g/kg     Boswellia sacra
Indian frankincense     >2 g/kg     >2 g/kg     Boswellia serrata
Ylang-ylang     >5 g/kg     >5 g/kg     
Cedarwood     >5 g/kg     >5 g/kg     
Roman chamomile     >5 g/kg     >5 g/kg     
White camphor     >5 g/kg     >5 g/kg     Cinnamomum camphora, extracted from leaves
Yellow camphor     3.73 g/kg     >5 g/kg     Cinnamomum camphora, extracted from bark
Ho oil     3.80 g/kg     >5 g/kg     Cinnamomum camphora, oil extracted from leaves
Cassia     2.80 g/kg     0.32 g/kg     
It is important to understand that the foregoing figures are far less relevant in everyday life than far smaller, often localized levels of exposure.* For example, a dose of many an essential oil that would do no harm if swallowed in diluted solution or emulsion, could do serious damage to eyes or lungs in a higher concentration.[1] wikipedia

*However, I have to add here that those of us that have real problems with salicyaltes in food & liquids DO have extremely severe reactions to most fragrances, even natural ones... ::)
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 12:41am; Reply: 29
The links in Reply 24 had been disabled. They are at the moment working fine. :)
Three American suppliers of therapeutic grade essential oils for use in Aromamedicine. :D

Modify:  Just noticed that this thread has been assigned to the category: "nonnie clubhouse". Wouldn't it be nice if the secretors who participate could see this in the title? Just for future reference - why not? The initial question wasn't really phrased in terms of non-secreting, though, :-/ ??) How does this work?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 6:34am; Reply: 30
cause a nonnie posted it right here initially......

every body can participate no matter their status :)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 8:54am; Reply: 31
Quoted from yaeli
Please which one is that?



The company I only use oils from is called Young Living.

I'm sure they can't be the only company but after looking for so long and continually coming in contact with other companies that claim to sell nothing but pure organic oils that are distilled at the highest quality and again and again finding that they don't even know what "pure" or "organic" means... I just stick with the one that works and the ones who's farms I have actually been to. They use a sound frequency to keep bugs off their plants. It also keeps the bugs off all the plant of neighboring farms also. lol That is what I call heaven on earth.  Sound to keep things organic. ;D
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 9:50am; Reply: 32
Sounds good!!! :D
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:06pm; Reply: 33
amazing how values are changing while using the same stuff but in tablet form... :o
I use grams of boswellia serrata daily by myselve, dito for my clients against inflammations without any sideeffects...  :D
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 5:55pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from christaalyssaA+


The company I only use oils from is called Young Living.

I'm sure they can't be the only company


You budged.

Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 6:10pm; Reply: 35
No I didn't San j. I have said it over and over. I have not found any other company. If you show me that they farm their own oils than their might be. I "hope" that they aren't the only other company. I really highly doubt it though. Thanks for taking one sentence of my original post out of context. Read with everything else I said.. it makes sense. It's very easy to pick what someone says apart to suit your feelings on things. Please don't misinterpret me.
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