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Posted by: Dr. D, Friday, December 24, 2010, 10:24pm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101223130149.htm
Posted by: Curious, Friday, December 24, 2010, 10:43pm; Reply: 1
Very interesting!
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Saturday, December 25, 2010, 12:08am; Reply: 2
Good read!
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, December 25, 2010, 12:33am; Reply: 3
very interesting, and led to another article about ancient people called denisovans who were related to neanderthals and have descendants in the pacific,......
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, December 25, 2010, 2:58am; Reply: 4
http://www.cell.com/retrieve/pii/S0092867410014261#Summary

For those inclined to see the study. ;)
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, December 25, 2010, 3:12pm; Reply: 5
I read that yesterday and thought to myself “Dr D has been saying that all along.”  Articles like this vindicate you against those critics who say your work is not scientific.  
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, December 27, 2010, 3:36pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from RedLilac
I read that yesterday and thought to myself “Dr D has been saying that all along.”  Articles like this vindicate you against those critics who say your work is not scientific.
..... without getting close enough in practical human application to be serious competition.   ;D

Posted by: SophiaVictoria, Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:02am; Reply: 7
Interesting. I love hearing about research that is not just about pharmaceutical medications.
Posted by: maukik, Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:55am; Reply: 8
"Those changes occurred despite the fact that the fathers never saw their offspring and spent minimal time with their mothers, the researchers say, suggesting that the nutritional information is passed on to the next generation via the sperm not through some sort of social influence."

Very fascinating to me.  I have mentioned on the boards before that, thanks to BTD, I discovered at the age of 58, that the man I believed all of my life to be my father was not my biological father.  

Through a series of very strange events I found my biological father.  I have spent a great deal of time with him. The first time we ate together I had in my mind that I wanted to order a particular thing.  Particular, because I was going to have to tweak the way it came on the menu.  I didn't want to do that for two reasons, cost (I knew he was going to pay and didn't want to be extravagant) and I didn't want to appear "picky".  I only knew him for two days and we had just sent off our DNA test.  I ordered a simple a la carte item instead.  He had no idea what I wanted to order.  When he ordered just after me, he ordered exactly the way I wanted to order.  It was more than incredible to me at the time.  We are the same blood type, but to order the exact particular thing the way I wanted to order....  
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 8:12am; Reply: 9
great story!
the answer is in the genes they say ;)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 30, 2010, 4:16pm; Reply: 10
This has me thinking in a number of ways...

1) I hope that researchers are looking at mice only because it's easier to study multiple generations in a species that reaches sexual maturity in a few months and only live a couple of years. I hope they don't look at these studies and then suggest that people should eat like mice (an assumption that may work for As but not for any other BTs!!)

2) My father has always eaten a pretty lousy diet (and we still don't know his blood type!)  As for my grandparents- I know my mom's parents ate poorly (lots of processed foods) but I'm not sure about my dad's parents. I think they ate a lot of processed foods as well. Fortunately, all of my ancestors were already in the USA by the time of WWII (nobody was starving in a concentration camp.) I wonder how all of that has affected my own health.

3) I know virtually nothing about my son's father or his parents. What unknown factors are affecting my son's health?
Posted by: maukik, Friday, December 31, 2010, 4:18am; Reply: 11
Quoted from ruthiegirl

3) I know virtually nothing about my son's father or his parents. What unknown factors are affecting my son's health?


Whatever those factors may be, eating according to BT/GT could only help, right?  

The week I found my new dad (I have fun referring to him as new dad), he found out he was going blind in the only good eye he had left.  Macular degeneration.  I am so glad I have been on BT/GT/SWAMI.  I was the only one of, what I thought were 7 full siblings, with aging, poor eyesight.  I also was the only one with diverticulitis.  He is a very healthy 82 yr old other than these two things that we have in common, besides our blood type.  
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:59pm; Reply: 12
I always liked the food my Dad (AB-) ate vs my Mom (O+).  I thought that was because of the similarity in our blood types.  My son (B+) and I (B-) like much the same things but there are some differences.  I don’t know about my son’s father’s family’s dietary practices.  He’s dead, so there is no way to know what health factors he may have passed on to my son other than alcoholism.  He died of a heroin overdose.  His mother had liver damage that was due to alcohol.  He broke up with me after not being able to convince me to get an abortion.  So I didn’t live with him to know what he would have eaten regularly at home not in restaurants.  My son’s father was raised by a stepfather like my son was, so I can’t even go back a generation in that direction.  So observation is the only method available
Posted by: 12751 (Guest), Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:07pm; Reply: 13
I concur with the postulate that we are genetically a composite of our ancestors, however, the buck can stop here. For those whose parents, grandparents, etc., diets' consisted of pork rinds, cherry coke and twinkies, I perceive that our internal structures are fearfully and wonderfully made. We are not doomed. Why are there those who smoke three packs of cigarettes a day, drink a fifth of Jack Daniels  and still outlive an offspring who dies at 37 though macrobiotic and living an aesthetic life
in Tibet? There is complexity within the complexity. There are those with a sulfur sensitivity to which broccoli is deadly, yet others may happily much on it.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:19pm; Reply: 14
Some of us are  billy goats and some are doves.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, January 3, 2011, 2:36pm; Reply: 15
Welcome Lectinator!

And to answer your hypothetical question, maybe it was a family of Os and/or Bs, so the smoker/drinker  (who included plenty of big macs in his diet) was actually better nourished than the vegan macrobiotic in Tibet. ;)

Seriously, thanks for the dose of common sense. It's easy to get caught up in "oh no! Another way I messed up my kids!" when I read about this kind of stuff. My kids  are already born and weaned, so it's too late for my diet to directly affect their health. I need to focus on the positives: we know about healthy eating NOW. My children are healthier than I was at their ages, my grandchildren will likely be even healthier, and my great-grandchildren will benefit even more.
Posted by: Dawn Ann, Monday, January 3, 2011, 3:46pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from jayneeo
very interesting, and led to another article about ancient people called denisovans who were related to neanderthals and have descendants in the pacific,......


I'm a closet anthropologist and just had to dig that one up, too, jayneeo. What an interesting article! Will it add a new twist to the BTD? ;)

If anyone else wants to have a look...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101222131119.htm

Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 3, 2011, 6:18pm; Reply: 17
great find! :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, January 3, 2011, 10:32pm; Reply: 18
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their offsprings pay the price, no worry!! ;)
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:31am; Reply: 19
The broad pages of pre-history still have little ink upon them.

Armchair anthropologist here!
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, January 7, 2011, 3:27pm; Reply: 20
Welcome Lectinator:  I used to like pork rinds now the thought oeven putting it in my mouth churns my stomach.(dead)

Welcome Dawn Ann:  I am fascinated with reading articles like your link.  I’ve heard there are other extinct human offshoots.  I wonder if any of their DNA survives.(think)
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, January 8, 2011, 2:20pm; Reply: 21
DNA "survives" in tooth buds for thousands of years.   ;D

I love the possibilities, just so long as someone does not do a "Jurassic Park" on us.  Deep study of epigenetics could bring greater success with cloining, theoretically.  I will feel safe until the allopathic community starts to do expensive research projects on epigenetics for that purpose.  Waste of money and all ....
Posted by: Dawn Ann, Thursday, January 27, 2011, 1:43pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from paul clucas
The broad pages of pre-history still have little ink upon them.

Nice quote - and nice to meet another armchair anthropoligist!

Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, January 29, 2011, 11:37am; Reply: 23
Guilty as charged!   ;D
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