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Posted by: l3asu, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:36am
I am sure some of you may know that groups of scientists have uncovered from human and primate blood, that O in fact is not the oldest blood type as stated in D'adamo's book. In reality A < B < AB < O.

Now such a discovery does not completely destroy Dr. D'adamo's theory but puts a damper on it. Though I think there is an explanation; just because O was no the first blood type doesn't mean that O and the other blood types didn't rely on the assumed ancient diets or life styles that D'adamo has predicted. All this means is that the fruit/vegetable focused human groups emerged first while the more mean oriented O human group appeared later.

I have been a vegetarian for over 3 years and am very happy with my choice and lifestyle, this is not a challenge just a revision of thought.
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:59am; Reply: 1
Perhaps you could quote some scientific reference to your statement.  ??)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 2:01am; Reply: 2
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1264878627/s-50/
this has been discussed before in numerous occasions, no worries
use the search, top right button
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 2:04am; Reply: 3
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Dr D
Current opinion, maybe. However, 'oldest' in this sense is not very meaningful, since most of the human attributes associated with ABO type differ considerably from the lower animals, and even in humans group A doesn't seem to have been all that numerous prior to about 14-17k years ago.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 2:09am; Reply: 4
IF I got  a penny for every issue one can look at, then I would be indeed a wealthy person.. but alas I am not..I am not even that intelligent....  

I think the concept of which came first -in this instance- is of consequence only to the person who takes one 'pointed' interest or the other.. In the end you are A and so it is recommended here that you be vegetarian.. and in being vegetarian it is being suggested that you avoid certain foods.. All of the foods you ingest is what is important on this site.. nothing less nothing more..

At one time all of the ancient ooze was 'so called' created in 6 days to have humans rule the earth over all animals and to fight each other and every living thing in-between.

A few days ago, scientists found that all earth 'science' as we knew it - is no longer so.. Should you or I care?? maybe, or maybe not, the discovery will make no difference to my life, but it will re-write ALL science textbook, starting next year to include a piece of info that will never matter to most, yet it has turned the known information about us, our world and history, on its head..

So, another way to say 'it': you found this site of interest to you, you found a way of eating good for you.. I hope you have much success with it and if that success has anything to do with what we refer to as BTD/GENO, then so be it.. If not so be it also.. and between all the above, there are many words much text and many questions, does most or any matter? only if you take time to care about this particular topic.

I think the hypothesis is that O's are not so much older, but eating meat longer then let's say A's ,, and I accept that for the sake of a starting point,, if indeed there are differences .. as I am writing this in response to something I have no intelligent answer to, nor my own explanation, I wish you a good night and much success on the A way of living and eating== and if you come may way when I am hungry > look out> ha-ha.    :X  
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:10am; Reply: 5
I agree with what Goldie just said.
In my opinion, the order that seems most logical is O,A2,A1,B,AB because O is the universal donor, correct? It makes sense that all the other blood types came from that direction. AB bloodtypes can receive blood from all the other types, correct? If this is all correct, then??????? ??) just saying......  ::)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 7:23am; Reply: 6
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Dr D
I would more likely believe that the alleles are of equal age, but that phenotypically type O was always more numerous percentage-wise. All three blood types are the result of mutations; however the A and B mutations are more like each other than either is like group O.

The difference between having the gene for type A blood or type B blood is a variation of a mere seven letters out of the total of 1,062 that make up the entire gene. We even know exactly where they differ: letters number 523, 700, 793 and 800. If you are type A blood, you have C,G,C,G in these locations, whereas if you are type B blood you have G,A,A,C there instead. These are called 'point mutations' because they are a simple one-letter misspelling in a gene, unless as in the case of blood type it is a consistent variation, in which case it is called a polymorphism.

The type O gene mutation is even more interesting. It is a 'frame shift mutation'; if you are type O you may be surprised to discover that rather than having a difference of letters, like A and B, type O is missing one letter, number 258, entirely.'
Posted by: Dr. D, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 11:43am; Reply: 7
Just like they said. 'Old' means different things in different contexts. If you go by the molecular evolution you're back 2-3 million years ago and talking about characteristics (if there were any) that probably don't pertain to modern humans. If you narrow this down to 50-70,000 years ago and throw in a variety of external influences (bottlenecks, 'founder effect', etc) then it is pretty clear that the early adaptation from scavenger to hunter gatherer appears to have occurred in the type O population, whilst the adaptation to agrarianism seems to have been confined (initially) to type A.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 12:45pm; Reply: 8
Even if O came after A, I'm not sure why that would matter much anyway in practical application. Some of the vegan/vegetarian arguments for everyone to quit eating meat are based on the idea that humans "originally" were not meat eaters. If your genes in the here and now bend you to the propensity to consume meat and your body is best suited to it, then it makes sense. If your body doesn't, then it makes sense to obstain.

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the more mean oriented O


Is that a value judgment? Do you mean  >:( violent?
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:21pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from l3asu
I am sure some of you may know that groups of scientists have uncovered from human and primate blood, that O in fact is not the oldest blood type as stated in D'adamo's book. In reality A < B < AB < O.

Now such a discovery does not completely destroy Dr. D'adamo's theory but puts a damper on it.
Not at all.  Dr. D' Adamo's diets are not designed to revert people back to the mythical "natural" diet of genetically identical ancestors.  

The archeoserological information helps to illustrate the disease-blood type connection, which informs the disease-prevention aspects of the diet.

The Hunting, Farming, and Herding impulses to propel the O, A, and B groups did happen in an archeological context.  The earlier dominance of the O hunters does not mean that they were first on the scene - merely that their time of dominance was first.

The issue, of who was first, does not inform any part of the dietary advice that Dr. D' Adamo gives. Which type "came first" will likely remain debatable as the evidence available to us is not remotely complete.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:01pm; Reply: 10
This was a good thread..& enlightenend ...
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 9:34pm; Reply: 11
mean oriented ....... ;D

no wonder they feed carbs like wheat to prisoners......
works like a charm!!! ;)
Posted by: san j, Monday, December 6, 2010, 3:22am; Reply: 12
"mean oriented" in Post 1: In context, it's clear "meat oriented" was meant. :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, December 6, 2010, 4:34am; Reply: 13
ho...good one...I also wondered about mean oriented. :o
Posted by: KimonoKat, Monday, December 6, 2010, 4:48am; Reply: 14


Ah, meat.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, December 6, 2010, 5:02am; Reply: 15
;D :D Love that one particularly!!
Posted by: SandrAruba, Monday, December 6, 2010, 11:08am; Reply: 16
Quoted from l3asu
I am sure some of you may know that groups of scientists have uncovered from human and primate blood, that O in fact is not the oldest blood type as stated in D'adamo's book. In reality A < B < AB < O.

Now such a discovery does not completely destroy Dr. D'adamo's theory but puts a damper on it. Though I think there is an explanation; just because O was no the first blood type doesn't mean that O and the other blood types didn't rely on the assumed ancient diets or life styles that D'adamo has predicted. All this means is that the fruit/vegetable focused human groups emerged first while the more mean oriented O human group appeared later.

I have been a vegetarian for over 3 years and am very happy with my choice and lifestyle, this is not a challenge just a revision of thought.



What exactly is your point here?

You are an A and as such very suitable for a vegetarian lifestyle. If you were an O, it would not suit you, no matter if A is older then O or vice versa.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, December 6, 2010, 11:25am; Reply: 17
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OH>>> this is even better now... :  mean oriented O human group appeared later.


I read it as meat.. but now for the fun of it>> when I am hungry I am assuredly mean .. and those spindly A's better get out of harms way.. walk with me, or follow me, but please do get out of my way..  ;D

then again those A's have this tenacity that makes them sticks and twigs to look at, yet, like a tree give them a drop of water and they flourish a-new every year! ::)

As for B's they are so kind, the milk the cow and make butter out of it so we O's can make ghee. 8)

AB's have other issues, often neither spindly nor skinny, they make sure we learn from them and their issues and by doing so: we keep expanding all our 'horizons'..  :P  

All this one-sided conversation.. Where is l3asu  I mean don't just make a post, make a post and explain further, I am certain you started this thread for a reason, for a purpose, or for fun..  ??)

Calling : l3asu   Calling : l3asu Calling : l3asu   




    
Posted by: l3asu, Monday, December 6, 2010, 3:13pm; Reply: 18
Knowing the community of this thread I knew such an issue was discussed before yet when I searched for it nothing came up.

My point being that even if O did not appear first that this does not mean that they didn't consume a meat (or mean) oriented diet in the past. Therefore the time that the different groups emerged doesn't determine their diet, for many evolutionary events may have occurred such as the founder effect which truly lead to the basis of their diets or the formation of a new blood type all together.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, December 6, 2010, 8:08pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from AKArtlover
Even if O came after A, I'm not sure why that would matter much anyway in practical application.  


Right.  Wheat is still bad for an O and beef is still bad for an A and peanuts are still bad for a B and chicken is still bad for an AB.  It doesn't much matter your opinion (or "proof") of who was first in line how many thousands or millions of years ago.  The food values aren't going to change based on your worldview.
Posted by: ecaines, Monday, December 6, 2010, 9:54pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from l3asu
Knowing the community of this thread I knew such an issue was discussed before yet when I searched for it nothing came up.

My point being that even if O did not appear first that this does not mean that they didn't consume a meat (or mean) oriented diet in the past. Therefore the time that the different groups emerged doesn't determine their diet, for many evolutionary events may have occurred such as the founder effect which truly lead to the basis of their diets or the formation of a new blood type all together.


I don't care if my blood type came from another planet I know that my diet is right due to and based on how my body feels.

If you want to be the first blood type please take the lead, more power to you. I mean really at this point and day and age this does not matter.

For those researching this subject yes this does matter. This planet has been through a lot more species than we have documented and not documented.

So what is your point? Why should I care?

If you want to make your statement legitimate back up your observations otherwise this is a very moot and baseless thread you have started.

I mean jeez, just because Mayo Clinic says jump doesn't mean anyone has to.

Facts and figures please!
Posted by: Beth, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 12:09am; Reply: 21
I am a believer that the first man was Adam and the first woman Eve and that they ate vegetarian
Genesis 1:25.  I do not believe that we evolved from primates. I believe in intelligent design by a Creator of the Universe. i believe that man is only 6000 years old but that the  believe that the Creator  Neanderthals were not human beings with brains and such but ape like.
Posted by: Beth, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 12:24am; Reply: 22
Can anyone help me understand if it is possible to believe in the GTD/BTD if I am not a believer in evolution?
I do believe in Cro Magna men/Neanderthals but I do not believe that man evolved from them
I believe that the Creator of the Universe made man after He made these ape like creatures.
I believe that man was created by intelligent design by the Creator 6000 years ago in the Garden of Eden and was vegetarain (Genesis 1:25).
For the first time in 20 some years I began the BTD but keep going on and off it because this is quite a stumbling block for me since if Adam and Eve ate vegetarian then they would be blood type A not O.
And I actually do feel better on the BTD and then later GTD.
Beth
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 1:42am; Reply: 23
I don't agree about the timelines Dr.D talks about.  But that's a different issue all together anyways.  I do believe that there is scientific evidence that some foods are better for some blood types.  And some not.  

The genotype diet does sort of put a little bit of a twist on that though. As does individuality.  Which is what this is supposed to be all about.  Individuality.

I personally don't believe I evolved from an Ape.  But I believe by eating the right foods for my body and blood type and individual issues, it helps the healing process.  


And what is this blanket statement about A's being vegetarian?  That's kind of silly too.  There are quite a few A's in this world that enjoy life and vitality to an old age, even with eating meat.  Even the books don't say if you're an A you should be a vegetarian.  Generally speaking you are more suited towards a more vegetable based diet.  But complete vegetarian is extreme and not so for all A's.  

But if the OP is correct, and A's were the first, Garden of Eden.  Eating meat didn't come until after the fall   ;D ;D :) ;)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 3:57am; Reply: 24
Beth,
try the genographic mitochondrial dna
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/lan/en/participate.html
watch the path taken by your ancestors from the beginning......fascinating
Posted by: Constantine, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 4:40am; Reply: 25
If blood types show up in apes (as I'm pretty sure they do) then they probably all existed too far back to even matter which 'came first'--there likely were no real humans yet.

It seems like the blood type-diet connections just reflect how humans (other primates too?) dealt with the general 'feeding modes' found throughout nature: Herbivore=Agriculturalist, predator=hunter, etc.  Humans, adaptable creatures that we are, have evolved to be (as a whole) generalists that can make do in different environs and not get 'stuck' like other animals.  Blood type must capture this to some degree.  Ex: a random group finds sustainability in hunting deer; the O types have more of an advantage and soon dominate the population; other blood types, though still present, don't fare as well.
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