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Posted by: angel2me, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:16pm
Hi.  I just received my blood test results and found out that I have H Pylori.    I am a type O (don't know my Secretor Status yet).  It seems like I am not allowed to eat much of anything.  I can't eat hot foods or drinks.  So what am I supposed to eat?  I would really appreciate any advice.  Especially from my fellow O's who may have or are suffering with this.  I am starting treatment on Thurs.  (Apparently my Doctor had to run out of his office and won't be back until Thursday and didn't think it was an emergency.  Go figure).  I also want to know should I continue to take my Probiotic while I am taking my antibiotic treatment?  Or should I wait and start up again once I am done the treatment.  Thank you for your help in advance. :) ;D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:27pm; Reply: 1
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Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:31pm; Reply: 2
Make a list of what you CAN still eat, and then base meals on that. Or, post your list of foods online and we can help you brainstorm.

I'd also suggest that you do your own research on the appropriate diet- perhaps there's no real medical reason to avoid hot foods, for example. I'm not familiar enough with H pylori to know what the "standard medical diet suggestions" are, but I do know that medical doctors aren't perfect and sometimes they tell you to do things that aren't actually necessary.
Posted by: DoS, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:32pm; Reply: 3
Lots of meat...

If you get regular intestinal balance the H Pylori will not be able to live long there, and natural good production of stomach acid kills it too. It will dissipate. Meat triggers IAP and brings balance to the intestines.

Eat the recommended foods. You can go light (or rather not eat them daily) on complex carbohydrates briefly to help if you want.

Staying off of bad lectins will help tremendously for good intestinal flow by keeping inflammation down real low.

Eat pineapple too. I find raw garlic insta-kills H-Pylori in the stomach. It is like having heart burn for a minute though.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:15pm; Reply: 4
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I also want to know should I continue to take my Probiotic while I am taking my antibiotic treatment?  Or should I wait and start up again once I am done the treatment.

If in fact you do the antibiotic treatment, I would definitely take probiotics while I was taking the antibiotics...  You want to take the probiotics in the middle of the time span between antibiotic doses, though, so you get the maximum benefit from them.
Posted by: angel2me, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:16am; Reply: 5
Thank you for the suggestions everyone.  I will go through my book again and come up with a list of foods.  I will also continue with the probiotics as well.  I think I will stick to chicken and fish.  I noticed that I had some abdominal discomfort when I had some meatballs the other day.   :D
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:31am; Reply: 6
maybe it was the sauce in the meatballs?
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:30am; Reply: 7
Here's an old thread you might be interested in following.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:30am; Reply: 8
I'd be interested to hear how your doctor is wanting to kill it.  I'm pretty sure I've had it for years now.  Or, it comes and goes, because I'm killing it and getting it back from my wife or something.  But I hope I can figure out how to kill it eventually.  Although to be honest, that's probably not my only problem in my gut.  I pray that yours stays gone.  

I took the antibiotics for mine 4 years ago.  The Gastro D works, but I don't know if it really kills it gone.  Or like I said, I get it back from my wife or something.  We all were taking stuff to kill it at one time.  

My kids too.
Posted by: DoS, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:51am; Reply: 9
If you are just starting this diet you will get a bit of discomfort ESPECIALLY if you have had bad intestinal balance. What you are experiencing is a good thing. You are sure to get some gas from bad bacteria dieing.

Do not fear red meat. If you want to play it 100% safe (BT: 0) just eat lamb some every week instead of buffalo or beef.
Posted by: angel2me, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:16pm; Reply: 10
I hope once I start the antibiotic treatment that the H Pylori will be eradicated.  If you have H Pylori does it mean that you also have an Ulcer?  Or is it possible to have HP and not have developed an Ulcer.  I think the antibiotics will treat the HP but if you also have an Ulcer will that be helped or healed by the meds?  Any ideas?  I want to order some of Dr. D's products but I'm not crazy about taking a ton of pills.  I have a probiotic I am taking that I purchased at the health food store but have noticed that Dr. D. has blood type specific ones.  I think I will finish taking the one I have for now and order his when it's done.  What would be the best pills to take from his series that I can benefit from without having to buy several different kinds.  They all sound good.  But now that I have HP and it seems possible that I can get it again down the road I think protecting myself from getting it again is worthwhile.  Any recommendations for a pill regimen for my type would be greatly appreciated.  I also take vit C, Coral Calcium, Multi Vit (Raw Foods) and B Complex.  So you could see how I could be consuming tons of pills all day long.  Thanks for your suggestions everyone.  I will let you know what happens.  I am going take my first step towards my commitment to the BTD by ordering my Sec. Status kit today.  :D
Posted by: DoS, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:32pm; Reply: 11
I would take HCL before anti-biotics.

I think you are going to lose health with the anti-biotics.

The blood specific vitamin/probiotics are way better. Not only are they specific but they also are much higher quality. Dr D knows what he is doing with manufacturing vitamins etc. If you ever read posts by him about it you will quickly realize most vitamin companies make ineffective junk.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 9:05pm; Reply: 12
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Yeah here is what you need.

Posted by: JJR, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:38pm; Reply: 13
Destroyer, my doctor told me taking HCL while having H.Pylori is not a good idea.  The last time I took it, it made me feel so lousy, bloated and stomach was all flared up, that I think he is right.  HCL doesn't kill H.Pylori.  In fact, it might actually feed it because they like acidity.  

Angel2me,  This is my advice but take it for what it's worth.  4 years ago I was diagnosed with H.Pylori and I took the antibiotic protocol.  I don't believe it killed it.  However, that doesn't mean it won't work for you.  I will give you some cautions that most people on here will agree with.

Caution #1, Antibiotics WILL through your gut balance off.  Now, how drastic, I don't know.  You will more than likely feel much better while taking them.  I did.  But after it's all done, you may feel worse than before, in a different way.  I would definitely be on a probiotic regiment.  Now, I'm not sure if it's best to do it right after or during, or what, but that will help put back what good stuff the antibiotics are taking away.  If your doctor tells you that probiotics won't be necessary, he is mistaken and I would be skeptical of his understanding of how much your gut flora can affect you.

Caution #2 Don't take more than the protocol.  My doctor had given me a sample, and the main protocol.  So I had extra.  Because I felt better on them, I kept taking them.  And then I had a tooth go bad and had more antibiotics.  And after that, I was so screwed up, I didn't want to get out of bed.  With all kinds of other terrible symptoms.  

Caution #3  If it does work, you may still get it back from your spouse possibly.  It's possible that is what happened with me.  Some people are more affected by it than others.  My whole family was tested positive for it.  My wife and I didn't kiss for a long time.  But as of lately, I'm suspecting this could've happened with me.  

Caution #4  There are tons of health remedies that claim it will kill it that are natural.  As all of them may have some merit, I don't believe it's a one size fits all problem.  What works for one may not work for another.  

So, I'm trying to arm you with information being down this road.  I personally have never been the same since all of this started and am actually going to mayo next week.  I just keep losing weight over time.  And I'm super strict on the BTD. And I eat more than my wife and eat acceptable amounts of food to not be losing weight.

Now, I'm not trying to discourage you from this diet, because I believe in it.  But I think I have deeper problems than what the diet is doing for me.  That will not be the case for everyone.  

I don't think having H.Pylori means you have an ulcer.  I think it can cause them.  As well as cancer.  So, it is not something to mess around with.  But as I said, some people are more affected by it than others.  We all have bad bacteria in our systems, it's a matter of how they get along and finding the right balance in that.  Mine has been thrown off in a huge way and I believe affecting in a large way.  H.Pylori is probably not the only issue.  As it might be with you too.
Posted by: angel2me, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 7:51pm; Reply: 14
ABNoWay,  thanks for the insights.  I started having pain in my abdomin that also went around to my back starting in early October.  I thought I  had a kidney infection and the urine results did show some infection.  So they put me on antibiotics which weren't helping, and after three days in pain and nauseated I went to the hospital and they did some blood work and told me that my white blood cell count was normal but the urine still shows infection so they put me on these other antibiotics that would specifically treat kidney infections.  According to her, the first antibiotics only treat Urinary tract infections (which my doctor said was not true - who can you trust these days  ??)) I still felt some abdominal pain so I went back to the clininc and this doctor tells me he thinks I never had a kidney infection to begin with and gives me these pills to supress acid production and sends me to get an ultrasound.  The pills worked right away.  No more pain  and the ultrasound showed normal kidneys, gallbladder, pancreas and liver.  So I went to my family doctor and he had my blood tested for H Pylori.  One and a half months later I am finally diagnosed with H Pylori.  Unbelievable.  Yes our health care is free in Canada but I sometimes think we are not being given the help we really need.  I am still waiting for my doctor to call in my antibiotics.  To be honest since I have been watching what I put in my tummy the pain has diminshed to almost nothing and I am never nauseated any more.  But it still remains that I have to kill this bacteria.  You made a good point about kissing your spouse.  I told my hubby that he probably has it now and I should probably get him to the doctor and have his blood tested.  Because if he has it I am just going to keep getting reinfected by him.  Oh boy he will hate that (doesn't like needles) so I will have to encourage him to go.  Do you remember the name of the antibiotics your doctor gave you?  And when you were done did you go back and get your blood tested to confirm that the H pylori was gone?  I am going to do that.  And I am going to order some of Dr. D's pills.  I am a type O so I don't know how all these drugs are going to affect me.  But I am doing the teir two version of BTD so I am restricting myself food wise quite a bit.  I have lost 8 pounds so far (need to -I'm overweight) and I will probably end up losing more.  I will let you know what happens.
Posted by: JJR, Friday, November 19, 2010, 2:47am; Reply: 15
I would be on red alert about how much antibiotics you've had already.  Hopefully because you're an O it won't be as bad as what it can.  I don't know if that makes much of a difference though.  Antibiotics, like it or not, WILL kill your good flora in your gut and it WILL have an impact.  How much, I don't know, but if I was you, I'd be supplementing with probiotics and making cultured vegetables.  

I have to admit though, my grandma is an O and she seems to take all the stuff doctors take her and is healthier than I at 98 practically.  So....  individuality always plays a role.  

I think a lot of the health care professionals down here are clueless.  Back when I had my problems, my chiro is the one that suggested H.Pylori testing.  My MD poo poo'd it like it was nothing to worry about.  Even though Mayo Clinic's website said it can cause ulcers or cancer.  Finding a good doctor is not easy here either.  I give kudos to your doctor to do the H.Pylori test.
Posted by: DoS, Friday, November 19, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 16
My understanding is the only way H pylori can manifest inside the stomach is when there is a lack of stomach acid or maybe ulcer.
Posted by: JJR, Friday, November 19, 2010, 5:22pm; Reply: 17
  If you go on mayo clinic's website, it says it can contribute causing ulcers.  It is not the by product.  As far as how you get it?  I think you can get it from any carrier.  Breath, saliva, or some kind of fluid or food that carried it into your body.  This is my understanding.

I guess I was wrong about the, how you get it part.  They're saying it's not known.  Well, so much for that.  However, "Not Known" leaves a lot of room for speculation.  

All I know is my doctor said don't take HCL, it will just make it worse.
Posted by: DoS, Friday, November 19, 2010, 7:26pm; Reply: 18

You know the symptoms of low stomach acid is often treated as high... and I read if you have low it is easy for H. pylori to populate in the stomach.

H. pylori is probably like other bacterial infections... when combated the toxins released are very uncomfortable.

Sooo with my own experience of "leaky gut" my results of getting over it worked... and I feel somewhat confident they are just different stages of an overall problem. Your intestines get torn up, you absorb toxins, stress stress stress, low stomach acid then H. pylori can manifest.
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 1:36am; Reply: 19
Yes, they have it backwards.  Usually the give you antacids that suppress your stomach acid.  Wrong move.  And yes, I acknowledge that killing yeast usually causes bad die off symptoms, for me.  But the doctor I go to knows all this stuff and they're the ones that tell my not to take HCL.  It may be that it is killing it, I guess I'll double check with them, but either way, there is a balance, too much isn't good because you won't be able to function and eat and all that.  When I took HCL, I was so bad off for about a week, it was drastic.
Posted by: angel2me, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 2:53am; Reply: 20
Okay, I have started my Antibiotics protocol to treat the H Pylori.  So far so good.  I have had a little stomach upset but it subsides fairly quickly.  I am still taking my probiotic every morning and I am on the Teir 2 version of the BTD for O's.  So my diet is very restricted.  I try to eat as many beneficials as possible everyday and drink lot's of water.  He has me one the drugs for one week but the Pharmacist tells me it may not be long enough to eradicate the bacteria.  I want to go and test my blood again after I am done but I don't want to take another two weeks of antibiotics (which is what I will have to do if it isn't gone) so I am going to manage with diet and I am going to get on Dr. D's recommended products to help me heal and prevent H. Pylori.  As long as I am symptom free after taking his regimen then I will go get tested to see if it is completely gone.  
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 7:51am; Reply: 21
have a look at the protocol might find some very useful ones
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