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Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 1:34am
Any idea of how to make Harmonia more palatable?
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 1:50am; Reply: 1
I don't own it, have never tasted it. But run the problem by me. I'll give you some ideas. Is it powdery/starchy? What?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:19am; Reply: 2
I add a tbsp to my smoothie mornings, together with ara6 an my diamond fruit.....
chia and linseed as well.....
relaxes me, cause I know I m getting all the goodies!!!
have you read ingredients???? impressive! ;)
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:35am; Reply: 3
It's the taste/smell... texture is fine. I find it rather strong. I also added ARA 6 and some other diamond stuff. Just the smell makes me kind of want to puke  :X. I can't quite pinpoint it. I have had other green powder before, and have made my own veggie smoothies for morning consumption, but just can't get used to the taste of Harmonia.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:53am; Reply: 4
taste or smell?

read ingredients....maybe you can point out the one you do not agree with

nothing bothers me actually...
again, taster status and individuality! ;)
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:12am; Reply: 5
It's an instinct. I don't analyze the ingredients this way because I wouldn't know what turns me off anyway. You're lucky that nothing bothers you, iron lady  :P
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 5:44am; Reply: 6
I don't know how it tastes but I play one. Oops, that's a harmonica!  Sorry :-/
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 7:42am; Reply: 7
:)http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP000
click on the supplement facts.......they re endless!!!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 2:06pm; Reply: 8
I put it in water sometimes.. and yes it is not so nice. If I put it in pineapple juice I taste it less.

It is powerful stuff.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:44pm; Reply: 9
Sounds like a far cry from the catalogue's 'light crisp taste of freshly picked berries" and "a delicious way to introduce those fruits and vegetables". This can't be something only newly noticed; Harmonia's been around for years. Why not improve the taste? ??) :-/
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:50pm; Reply: 10
I stuck some on my tongue at Andrea's. It doesn't matter. It's good for me. The supertaster blessing and curse. I find if I just get over it, my mind will change and my perception will change.

Or, I hold my nose. That's worked for me since I was a kid. I do that with a fermented soy drink and wash it down with water before unplugging and brushing my teeth. A little funny, but it works.

Sometimes function is more important than aesthetics. ;)
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:53pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from AKArtlover
I stuck some on my tongue at Andrea's. It doesn't matter. It's good for me. The supertaster blessing and curse. I find if I just get over it, my mind will change and my perception will change.

Or, I hold my nose. That's worked for me since I was a kid. I do that with a fermented soy drink and wash it down with water before unplugging and brushing my teeth. A little funny, but it works.

Sometimes function is more important than aesthetics. ;)


Not when you're marketing a product as "delicious". NAP should be notified.

Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 3:59pm; Reply: 12
I also think it's recommended that you put it in something. Not on your tongue, like I did. ;)
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:07pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
I put it in water sometimes.. and yes it is not so nice. If I put it in pineapple juice I taste it less.

It is powerful stuff.


I'd like to know, when I spend forty bucks on a drink-powder advertised as "delicious" that I can expect the "not so nice" taste.  :-/

I guess you don't agree. :)

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:16pm; Reply: 14
guess the only weird person here is me!!! ;D

I drool by simply reading the ingredients in the back and knowing
these are but of the highest quality!

adding Harmonia, Ara and Live Cell in my smoothies has been a long time practice of mine......heck, I even add Intrinsa in my salads!!! ;)

again, vive la différence!!!
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:39pm; Reply: 15
Vive la différence indeed! But I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that taste challenging. I did overcome the texture/taste of the protein powder for "O"... in fact I have grown to love it! But with Harmonia, I have actually tried many many times and still have resistance. If anybody has found a really good way to "cover" up the strong taste please let me know. I would really love to continue drinking it as it is recommended by my SWAMI and it should help me regulate my sugar craving....
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:43pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Lola
guess the only weird person here is me!!! ;D

I drool by simply reading the ingredients in the back and knowing
these are but of the highest quality!

adding Harmonia, Ara and Live Cell in my smoothies has been a long time practice of mine......heck, I even add Intrinsa in my salads!!! ;)

again, vive la différence!!!


:)
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:50pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from balletomane
Vive la différence indeed! But I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that taste challenging. I did overcome the texture/taste of the protein powder for "O"... in fact I have grown to love it! But with Harmonia, I have actually tried many many times and still have resistance. If anybody has found a really good way to "cover" up the strong taste please let me know. I would really love to continue drinking it as it is recommended by my SWAMI and it should help me regulate my sugar craving....


I've had the same challenge with Harmonia since I got it 10 days ago.  I'm trying it for the first time.  In water--horrible!  It is a far cry (to me) from the taste of berries.  It actually tastes like eating soiled tea leaves right out of a used tea bag.  Ugh!  But, as Lola says, it's ingredients are appealing, so I've kept trying.  Here are two methods that work for me
(1)  I mix 1 teaspoon (not 2 which is what the instructions recommend) with a full glass of 100% fruit / no sugar added grape juice; or
(2)  I mix 1 teaspoon (again, not 2) with 2 scoops of Protein Powder O and 16-20 oz of Almond Milk in the mornings.  I find that neither the Protein Powder nor the Harmonia tastes good, but the combination with a lot of Almond Milk is fine.

It's not the texture--I don't mind gritty.  It's definitely the taste.  I think Type O's, especially non-secretors, will be much more sensitive to the taste of these two products.  I'm glad to have found a way to get the goodness from both of them!   :P
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:52pm; Reply: 18
I can't tell you how sad I am about this. :(
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 5:06pm; Reply: 19
It sounds like the taste is fine for Type A's, who naturally have a taste for veggies.  But for us meateaters--it's horrible!!  My Type A Mom eats a lot of stuff that my O sister, my O brother-in-law, and I find extremely bitter and yucky.  Maybe we just need a Harmonia for Type O???

This doesn't explain why Lola likes is so much, though!   :-/
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 5:07pm; Reply: 20
spinnakertech, I will give the Protein O + Harmonia combination a try. I am not sure if I'm a supertaster... my genotype test kit said I ain't. But in this case I am! Anyway, yes, I will try 1 tsp instead of 2 tsp. But I don't drink almond milk... will have to find another solution. I tried to add some Proberry, cherry juice and carob powder this morning but this still didn't "do the trick" for me :-/. I really wish in this case that I could exercise "mind over body" like Lola does :P

Re: Harmonia for Type O? Good idea!

I'm not sure if A's have a natural taste for veggies. My hubby is a Type A but due to his upbringing, he would hardly touch any vegetables on his own.
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 6:05pm; Reply: 21
I liked it in the fresh goat milk. Drank it just fine. I did not like it in any juices but think a vanilla, banana smoothie might work I don't think the green would work with just any fruit.
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 6:11pm; Reply: 22
Goat milk is an avoid for me on SWAMI. According to the Typebase, it is an avoid for all Type "O"s. I'm surprised you can drink it just fine, deblynn3. I have tried a thicker texture using banana or avocado, but it actually doesn't work for me  :-/
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 6:25pm; Reply: 23
Chocolate is good for disguising many  tastes, as it has a strong taste all on its own. Carob is a much milder flavor, and while it 's quite delicious on its own, it's not as good at hiding other flavors. Maybe try throwing in a tablespoon of cocoa powder and a compliant sweetener to the smoothie with the harmonia?

As an aside- is the barley grass in there safe for Os or gluten-sensitive individuals?
Posted by: SandrAruba, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 6:58pm; Reply: 24
How about letting it stand in juice overnight and drink it in the morning? I don't really like the taste of the protein blend when I mix and drink right away. So I prepare it in juice before I go to bed, put it in the refrigerator and take it to work the next day. Tastes better that way.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 8:18pm; Reply: 25
So far I'm the only one with a B allele on this thread. I've found it disturbing that the formulation is apparently not pleasant to the taste. There's no excuse for it in the marketplace, and it's very bad - even suicidal - for a business. I've just asked the NAP people to investigate improving the product for better taste.

Manufacturers thrive on this sort of feedback. The best way to help them succeed is to help them create great products that can be honestly lauded in their advertising.

Leave it to the B to step outside the box? ::) ;) :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 8:30pm; Reply: 26
productwise, you're right, san j. ......however, I asked my chiropractor how a certain supp was gonna taste and he just said, loudly, "I don't care!" 8) which point I got! loud and clear.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 8:42pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from 11080
It sounds like the taste is fine for Type A's, who naturally have a taste for veggies.  But for us meateaters--it's horrible!!  My Type A Mom eats a lot of stuff that my O sister, my O brother-in-law, and I find extremely bitter and yucky.  Maybe we just need a Harmonia for Type O???

This doesn't explain why Lola likes is so much, though!   :-/


Nope, the taste not fine for this A. I think Harmonia tastes awful.  Really awful.  I drink it but I have to drink it really fast so I don't gag. :)  It also smells really bad to me.  And I'm not even a super
taster.  I am a mild taster.

Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 8:48pm; Reply: 28
I wonder if it's the chlorella in it.  An awesome superfood, but it's an unfamiliar taste for most people.
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:28pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Chloe


Nope, the taste not fine for this A. I think Harmonia tastes awful.  Really awful.  I drink it but I have to drink it really fast so I don't gag. :)  It also smells really bad to me.  And I'm not even a super
taster.  I am a mild taster.



So far, no one seems to think it tastes like "light, crisp taste of freshly picked berries" as advertised!  Does anyone like it or do we all just tolerate it because it is so good for us?   :-/

I don't know how Lola manages to put 2 tablespoons in her smoothies--I can stand only one teaspoon before the taste is overpowering to me!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:32pm; Reply: 30
I don't know if NAP will change the product, but perhaps it's more practical to ask them to change the product description.

If I'd make any product suggestions at all, I'd suggest they make the product available in capsules, so you can get the benefits without the taste.
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 9:32pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I don't know if NAP will change the product, but perhaps it's more practical to ask them to change the product description.

If I'd make any product suggestions at all, I'd suggest they make the product available in capsules, so you can get the benefits without the taste.


Yes!!!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 10:02pm; Reply: 32
As long as nothing has to be added.  ;)
Wouldn't that be a lot of capsules?
Posted by: Cristina, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:00pm; Reply: 33
If you do not enjoy it as food, think of it as medicine.  Whatever NAP does to improve the taste, I hope they will never compromise the medicinal value ... that is the way I see these formulations ... like having antibiotics, they are made nice and sweet, very appealing for kiddies to enjoy  :o ... pitty nobody complains about the side effects or lack of good nutrients for the body then ... I gather they business $$$$$ are safe though  ::) ...  to everyone else's cost!!!

Kudos to NAP and Dr D for taking the business risk of putting these formulations in the market, with consideration for our health first ... I can put up with the inconvenience of having to find my own way to make it taste right for me ... my contribution to those who focus on what is important for me ....  :)
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:55pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I don't know if NAP will change the product, but perhaps it's more practical to ask them to change the product description.

If I'd make any product suggestions at all, I'd suggest they make the product available in capsules, so you can get the benefits without the taste.


I second Ruthiegirl's idea!

I also like Sandra's idea of soaking it in juice overnight. I will try and see if the taste if more acceptible for me.

As Victoria pointed out, it probably is the chlorella that gives this product this unpalatable taste/smell. I remember adding chlorella powder to my smoothie a long time ago, and just a tsp made the drink taste awful! It is very beneficial. However, I wonder if it can be replaced with something that has a similar nutritional value.

Speaking of the taste of supps/green powder: I had tried different brands prior to adopting the BTD. I agree that most green powder sucks! However, there was one brand called MicroLife, which makes truly delicious green drinks. If it wasn't for the non-compliant ingredients, I would have kept on drinking it.
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 11:58pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Cristina
If you do not enjoy it as food, think of it as medicine.  


That's an interesting thought... it reminds me of the ancient Chinese saying: "Bitter taste in the mouth is good medicine."  

But that's the reason I don't take Chinese herbal medicine in its most common form (broth).
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 12:37am; Reply: 36
I personally think Harmonia doesn't have enough fruit powders in relation to the sea vegetables. I
just noticed that it's got kelp (a toxin on my SWAMI, so I really shouldn't be drinking it anyway).
Kelp tastes like the ocean....it's strong, salty and bitter and it overpowers all the other
ingredients.  I think this is what we're finding as the worst offender in this formula. It's the only flavor I taste when I try to drink it.  Chlorella isn't quite as objectionable. In fact, I can eat chlorella tablets and they just taste "green" to me...not like seaweed.  The bitterness I hate is the kelp flavor and it tastes and smells fishy as well as bitter.

Just noticed that two more Harmonia ingredients, bladderwrack and Nori are also my SWAMI toxins.

Maybe this is why I feel so opposed to drinking this formula...too many toxins in it for me





Posted by: Whimsical, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 12:38am; Reply: 37
Quoted from san j
So far I'm the only one with a B allele on this thread. I've found it disturbing that the formulation is apparently not pleasant to the taste. There's no excuse for it in the marketplace, and it's very bad - even suicidal - for a business. I've just asked the NAP people to investigate improving the product for better taste.


Taste is really individual - I personally like the taste!  I've definitely had much worse greens powders before!  I will drink it alone or just with protein powder in water after the gym, but more often I add it to a smoothie, in which case it works really well.  

I think taste has a lot to do with what you are used to eating because your taste sense changes dramatically when you change your diet.  

But then again, I also love the taste of larch, which not everyone does...  And I add swiss chard and spirulina to smoothies too and that tastes just great to me!  Try having spirulina powder alone and Harmonia will seem like a piece of cake!
Posted by: balletomane, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 12:54am; Reply: 38
Oh Whimsical, you like spirulina? To me that's far worse than chlorella and kelp combined! Chloe, I think you're probably right about the "fishy" taste. It should've come from kelp, not chlorella. I take dulse as a spice in my cooking quite often so I think I can actually do without the kelp in the formula. But it's true that we all have different taste buds, even if we are of the same blood type!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 1:04am; Reply: 39
fucus as well......it s seaweed.....how else should it taste but fishy ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 1:29am; Reply: 40
Yeah, I'm sitting here eating a can of smushed up sardines with skin and the bones left in, and mixed with minced celery.  This actually tastes so good to me, and I remember the day when even the thought of eating something like this would have made me feel like  :X.  

:)
Posted by: Cristina, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:33am; Reply: 41
Quoted from Victoria
Yeah, I'm sitting here eating a can of smushed up sardines with skin and the bones left in, and mixed with minced celery.  This actually tastes so good to me, and I remember the day when even the thought of eating something like this would have made me feel like  :X.  

:)


It is called healing ... ditto here .... slurp ...  ;D :)
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:33am; Reply: 42
Marketing 101, really. Market it as a medicine and tell the consumer "Don't think of it as a tasty beverage. Some choose to hold their noses", and s/he'll appreciate the heads-up. Some might even say, "OK, but it wasn't THAT bad-tasting". But position it as a "delicious" drink with the crisp taste of fresh berries and you'd better deliver it, or there goes your credibility. There's too much riding on advertising honesty here. A whole line of products, a whole catalogue, can be flushed down the toilet if consumer experiences with something touted as "delicious" result in gagging, nose-holding, and forum threads advising ways to - hello - cover up that so-called deliciousness.

When there's a problem, let's call it a problem. I was a chef, and if the food hadn't been delicious, we'd have been in big trouble. Customers wouldn't have gathered to discuss how to TRY to enjoy the food. No one is helping the D'Adamo work by refusing to face flaws here head-on. Businesses don't hire marketing consultants and trouble-shooters to pat them on the back and say "Everything's perfect. And if people complain, tell 'em there's something wrong with them." "Mind over Matter" is a self-delusory mechanism when applied this disingenuously in a marketing context. The catalogue is a marketing tool or it's nothing. ;) :-/
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:52am; Reply: 43
like Ara.....let there be powder and capsule forms of Harmonia, for clients to choose...
but pls don t change the formula!!!!(pray)(pray)

I have bottles full of empty DPN gel caps, cause I enjoy dumping my sups on my food.....depending

and like Kate and others......we manage creating great tasting nutritious concoctions
using real food

in my country, I do not have access to a vast variety of organic produce, so adding my
Harmonia to my daily meals keeps me very relaxed......ofcourse I prepare all types of veggies and fruits etc.....but Harmonia is a must
Posted by: balletomane, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:54am; Reply: 44
san j has got a point here.
I think that if the label did not make me expect some kind of fruiti tutti taste, there wouldn't be just a jarring sense when I consume the product. If, for example, I open a can of sardine, I would expect it to smell fishy. How else should it smell but fishy, right  ;D? If there would be more emphasis on the sea vegetable content of this product in the marketing, maybe that would make me more alert  :o!!!
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:57am; Reply: 45
Quoted from Lola
like Ara.....let there be powder and capsule forms of Harmonia, for clients to choose..


Lola: No one's touting ARA as a delicious beverage. :)

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 46
did you know there are ara capsules?
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP004

and also the powdered form of course, which is delicious, yet others
might also not like the taste
Posted by: Whimsical, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:21am; Reply: 47
Quoted from san j


Lola: No one's touting ARA as a delicious beverage. :)



Actually, I am!  I love the taste of ARA!  Ha ha!  :)  And like I said before, I like Harmonia too!  My spirulina I bury in a smoothie and that works just fine...  Perhaps NAP did some market research and the majority of people liked Harmonia?  We can only each speak for ourselves, after all...
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:26am; Reply: 48
Lola. I think you're putting us on. :-/

I have the catalogue in front of me. Harmonia is listed as a BEVERAGE. It's described as DELICIOUS, with a "light crisp" and "refreshing" "taste". It's also called a "health drink". (page 13)

On the very next page (14) ARA-6 appears under "NATUROPATHIC FORMULAS", where it is described as an "IMMUNE-ENHANCING PRODUCT". There is absolutely nothing leading a consumer to expect to use ARA-6 as a "delicious"-tasting "beverage".

You leaf through the catalogue. You invest $40 in the deliciousness of the beverage. You're in the market for a BEVERAGE and the copy in this catalogue has persuaded you to part with your money and wait for that delicious beverage powder to arrive. And you're disappointed. Turning the page to Naturopathic Formulas doesn't get you your money back. Have you never been in sales? The customer returns the product for legitimate reasons. Trying to talk him into covering up the fact that he doesn't like it is not the way to rectify the situation.It is the way to alienate the public.

In the restaurant, the customer sends back a dish. The manager asks what the problem is and asks, "What may we do to make your dining experience here a happy one?" And you give him what he wants. Then that customer goes and tells 10 people how your establishment turned his evening around. He'll be back, too.

Me, I want the customer to come back. If he says the soup was too salty, I consider it. If she says the lotion was watery, I want to know about it. If many are saying my "delicious beverage" is really neither and should be taken in capsule form in order to be worthwhile, guess what? I change the category. I offer it in capsule form. Or I improve the product's taste.

Why is there a dis-connect here? :-/
Posted by: Cristina, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 4:45am; Reply: 49
OMG!!! I open the package and instead of something to suit my personal taste which differs from many others, I have got a a supplement wich is going to make me healthy!!!! quick quick, send in the crooks police!!!!  they are trying to make me healthy instead of giving me a good tasty drink!!!!  Maybe a softdrink is more attractive?!!! at least tastewise!!!   :o :o :o  ... (pray)(pray)(pray)(pray)

Not trying to sound sarcastic but stressing the point that it is all personal, individual, as you can see, some do not like it, but some of us love it, just sprinkled on salads even!!! Each to their own!!! It is not denying the quality of the stuff!!!  And regarding knowing about sales and returning policies, it is all in the context and product, we all know that: Once you buy your underwear, that it is, you have to wear or tear it!!! so being on sales or not, there are some products we know do not go back, once you bought them, no matter how legitimate the call is ... 'did not like it' certainly does not make it ... in the context of health building here .. imo .... Try to buy a loaf of bread and take it back because it does not suit your taste ...
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:02am; Reply: 50
I'm not suggesting people send it back, unless they're angry about it. (They do have every right to expect it to be a delicious beverage, not a medicinal powder to take in capsule form.) I'm saying that a product marketed as a delicious beverage is to be used as a delicious beverage. And if it's not a delicious beverage, there has not exactly been truth in advertising, and NAP's repeat business is going to suffer substantially. This is basic sales boilerplate, and if you don't see NAP as a business, I can't help you or them. And:

Since it is my desire to help you and them, I am going to stand for the careful use of words when it comes to categorising and describing a product one would hope will improve NAP profits as well as customer satisfaction, the two being inseparable. The restaurant manager has no business telling the customer: "You don't like the miso seaweed soup, madame, but that's because you're too closed-minded to inject it into your vein. Don't you know it's 'good for you'?" She ordered FOOD, not something to be injected OR to be shoveled into capsules for swallowing with water.

Beyond this, there is nothing more I can speak to group edification here. :-/
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:52am; Reply: 51
ara also comes in capsule form :)

by the way, Chefs don t like me around here.....

I kind of kill their inspiration when it comes to ordering :-/
Posted by: balletomane, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:32am; Reply: 52
Quoted from Lola
ara also comes in capsule form :)



Really? What is this product called?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:52am; Reply: 53
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP004
Posted by: balletomane, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:56am; Reply: 54
I thought you were talking about Harmonia in pill forms  :B
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:10am; Reply: 55
There's always Live Cell, that and Deflect should cover most of the same ingredients except the chlorella.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 1:31pm; Reply: 56
I get your point san j.

It's kind of an expectation thing. While I don't think the catalogue saying it tastes bad is wise, it's about what you perceive-- which is part of the "mind over matter" thing and an individual thing. In this case, the written leads you to believe something different than what you experienced.

One time when I was a little kid, I thought sauerkraut on a condiment stand was mashed potatoes. Rude awakening.

The thought of it makes me cringe still-- which oddly enough helped me give up pizza... but that's another story.

Anyway, I think many people have had the experience of thinking a beverage or food was one thing and then taking a swig, etc and having the brain flip into "gross out" mode even if the food was familiar or not bad in itself. I think I recall this happening several times with sodas or juices.

Your point, which is valid, is not to market something to the point of getting an incorrect expectation.
If it hasn't been noted here by them already, why not call up NAP? They are the only ones who can do anything about it anyway.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:17pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from AKArtlover
I get your point san j.
Your point, which is valid, is not to market something to the point of getting an incorrect expectation.
If it hasn't been noted here by them already, why not call up NAP? They are the only ones who can do anything about it anyway.


Did it! BEFORE meeting intense resistance on this thread! Caused a whole brouhaha by bringing it up, as you can see.  :-/ ::) ??) Oh well. Whatever.  :)

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:32pm; Reply: 58
San-J--- what did you expect?   :-/

Some agree with you and others don't.




Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:46pm; Reply: 59
Are we debating the word "delicious"?

Harmonia is not delicious. I agree that any one of us might want to push ourselves to drink a beverage or a formula described as "healthy", "good for us", or even labeled "immune enhancing"
We might overlook the taste and drink it for health benefits.

But to use the word delicious on a powder that smells and tastes like freshly caught fish and ocean seaweed is misleading and not truthful.

I really think this is san j's point...and it's a very good one!  :)

Harmonia is just not delicious.  And that word should not be used to describe it.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 5:49pm; Reply: 60
Go ahead, Chloe. Do what I did. Contact NAP and tell 'em! Expunge the word delicious/ put it in capsules as Lola suggests,  or change the formula to something delicious. Let's not whine. Let's fix. :D
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:14pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from san j
Go ahead, Chloe. Do what I did. Contact NAP and tell 'em! Expunge the word delicious/ put it in capsules as Lola suggests,  or change the formula to something delicious. Let's not whine. Let's fix. :D


I will do that but I just want to say one more thing.

....Many years ago, when I got out of college, I worked at a major NYC advertising agency.  People who are copywriters know their product before they start writing about it.  If it's an edible product, a copywriter has tasted it and knows how to describe it honestly.

Whoever did the copy on Harmonia obviously never tasted it.  And just decided that if delicious
sounding fruits were listed as ingredients that it must taste fruity and delicious.  Had they tasted the fishy flavor, the description might have been geared towards Harmonia's wonderful health benefits and not be focusing on it's flavor.

Here are two products that are truly delicious from NAP....

Carob Extract and Sip Right Tea for type A.

It would be an insult to those two delicious products to put them in the same flavor category as Harmonia. :)

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:32pm; Reply: 62
Does anybody from NAP read this board? Could somebody who works there be directed to this thread?

I don't think that this healthful product should be changed- just the product description. Describe it as a health-promoting supplement, not as a "light, fruity beverage." Those on this thread who enjoy the taste seem to enjoy the "heartiness" of it, and don't think of it as being "light and fruity."
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:39pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Does anybody from NAP read this board? Could somebody who works there be directed to this thread?



When I contacted them, I told them I was getting the information from a current dadamo forum thread about the product. But it helps if more than one person contacts them and says, "Consider this, please". Why not second the motion? :D Change starts here.

Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:45pm; Reply: 64
customerservice@dadamo.com by email will allow you to contact NAP online.

Just link this page to them.
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:46pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Cristina
OMG!!! I open the package and instead of something to suit my personal taste which differs from many others, I have got a a supplement wich is going to make me healthy!!!! quick quick, send in the crooks police!!!!  they are trying to make me healthy instead of giving me a good tasty drink!!!!  Maybe a softdrink is more attractive?!!! at least tastewise!!!   :o :o :o  ... (pray)(pray)(pray)(pray)

Not trying to sound sarcastic but stressing the point that it is all personal, individual, as you can see, some do not like it, but some of us love it, just sprinkled on salads even!!! Each to their own!!! It is not denying the quality of the stuff!!!  And regarding knowing about sales and returning policies, it is all in the context and product, we all know that: Once you buy your underwear, that it is, you have to wear or tear it!!! so being on sales or not, there are some products we know do not go back, once you bought them, no matter how legitimate the call is ... 'did not like it' certainly does not make it ... in the context of health building here .. imo .... Try to buy a loaf of bread and take it back because it does not suit your taste ...


Cristina, I think you are trying to sound sarcastic--that's the point of your post!  No one here is denying the quality of the product.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:49pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from Chloe
customerservice@dadamo.com by email will allow you to contact NAP online.

Just link this page to them.


I went there myself, yesterday.  :)

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:53pm; Reply: 67
Yes they will read the thread.


Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:00pm; Reply: 68
Sent my email...here it is

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1289871281/s-0/

Many of us on the BTD forum have complaints/comments about the taste of Harmonia.

A thread was started related to how you've chosen to describe it.

We suggest you read this thread where forum members are talking about how the word "delicious" simply doesn't
describe the fishy/seaweed flavor that many acknowledge

Please take our suggestions to heart.  Harmonia really tastes horrible~

Is pill form a possibility?

Surely, the word delicious doesn't describe this formula.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Sincerely,
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:03pm; Reply: 69
Live cell..might be what you are looking for in pill form. :-/ ??)
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:33pm; Reply: 70
The earlier Harmonia seemed to have a more pronounced cherry note and was indeed pretty good tasting (at least as green drinks go).  That was when the copy was written and it was not untrue. Seems like the berry flavor has become less and the seaweed flavor more. So the copy has to be changed. Alright already.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:39pm; Reply: 71
;D
Thanks for saving us ;)
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:46pm; Reply: 72
Now hush everyone. The chief has spoken!  :)
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:52pm; Reply: 73
Don't worry I'm not trying to hush anyone. The feedback is most welcome. Greg Kelly and I formulated the product and I want people to be happy with it. Personally when I take it I put in a tablespoon of proberry and drink it in pineapple juice so I'm not terribly bothered by the taste. Kelps vary considerably by batch and by season, especially with regard to the briny taste. We'll go back and see what we can do. It's not like they're trying to fool people or anything.
Posted by: Cristina, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 7:59pm; Reply: 74
Thanks Dr D, that explains the big discrepancy in taste appraisal here ... They do tend to last a while and my version must be  from earlier on ... Thanks for clarifying that and above all for listening and taking action.  Never expected any less from the master and his team!!! Bravo!!! :)
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:26pm; Reply: 75
I do remember that old Harmonia tasted pretty pleasant... It was fruitier....

Thanks Dr. D :)

Posted by: san j, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:29pm; Reply: 76
The wheel's gotta squeak first, gang. ;)
Posted by: Cristina, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:34pm; Reply: 77
Too true San J  ;) ;) ;D ;D :)
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 9:11pm; Reply: 78
Of course I was only joking with the hush comment. A lot of companies would love to have their customers tell what they don't like about a product. How many times did I not hear companies say "if only we had known, we could have fixed it". But more times then often they aren't given the chance. I remember seeing a poster at one of my old firms that said "customers don't complain, they go somewhere else".

And most people don't, they think it won't matter anyway. The fact that the customers here do complain, goes to show that they know that someone is listening. In fact complaining customers should be seen as a great compliment. They don't want to go elsewhere, they want to stay.  ;)  :)
Posted by: Melissa_J, Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 11:50pm; Reply: 79
If you think harmonia tastes bad, try opening up a Deflect O and gargling it in warm water.  Yes, I've tried it, it's great for a sore throat, but it does taste terrible.  In cranberry juice and rose hip tea, it's gargle-able.

I usually put harmonia in straight cranberry juice with half water and some agave.  After mixing it well and letting it soak for 20 minutes, it tastes fine.  It's what I expect after reading the ingredients, and I don't imagine most green drinks taste much better.  Putting it in plain water is not really workable... I tried that once and managed to get it down, but not pleasantly.  I think the instructions should say to put it in juice, not water.

As far as the ARA powder goes, I can only tolerate that in grapefruit juice for some reason.  Back when I used stevia I only liked it on grapefruit as well.  Most other things don't combine well with grapefruit juice.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 12:55am; Reply: 80
do yourself a favor and sprinkle it on your garden salad.....

this weirdo uses nori sheets for tortillas...... ;D
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:15am; Reply: 81
I do too, the nori sheets, that is.

Do you use harmonia on salads or seaweed sprinkles?  I sprinkle seaweed on everything I put salt on.  It's my pepper.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:29am; Reply: 82
Toasted Nori is awesome!!  (drool)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:35am; Reply: 83
yes, I use harmonia in fruit juice smoothies or on salad as well

I also use live cell, and fucus, and other, even intrinsa for that purpose

I enjoy the taste of butyrate!!!
I tell you, I m weird!!! :K)
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:44am; Reply: 84
Quoted from Lola

I enjoy the taste of butyrate!!!


Butyrate smells like vomit LOL

Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:52am; Reply: 85
Quoted from Lola
this weirdo uses nori sheets for tortillas...... ;D


8) You rock.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 1:57am; Reply: 86
it s all relative, as Einstein would say ;)
Posted by: san j, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 4:53am; Reply: 87
Re: The last half-dozen posts or so: I've got my big belly laugh for the evening!! :D :D Major LOL.
Posted by: san j, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 8:34pm; Reply: 88
:D I've received a very nice email from NAP thanking me for my comment, notifying me (I already knew) that Peter had visited the thread...

See? Rapid corporate response. It teaches us something: We can go round and round here or we can contact the source and give feedback, instigating change or negotiation. This is the way I like to play it. :)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 8:38pm; Reply: 89
:)
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, November 18, 2010, 8:52pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from san j
:D I've received a very nice email from NAP thanking me for my comment, notifying me (I already knew) that Peter had visited the thread...

See? Rapid corporate response. It teaches us something: We can go round and round here or we can contact the source and give feedback, instigating change or negotiation. This is the way I like to play it. :)


I got a nice email from NAP too.

I agree with you san j...I like to take action...and I love good results~  :)

Posted by: cajun, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 12:14am; Reply: 91
I am with you, Cristina! ;)
I don't mind my Harmonia at all! I usually put it in my smoothie. You are right..the ingredients speak volumes! :o
Posted by: balletomane, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 2:02am; Reply: 92
Thank you, Dr D, for your prompt response. Customer service doesn't get any better than this  ;)!

Also thanks to san j who started this process and others who have contacted NAP as well.

Cheers!
Posted by: Leanne, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 4:43am; Reply: 93
Quoted from Dr. D
Alright already.


Ok, that cracked me up!  That's truly a Northern expression.  You don't hear that too much around here and it brought back some rather comical memories.

I'd have to say that I'd be glad for some taste changes in Harmonia.  I'll never forget the first time I tried it, I was pregnant and needing the extra iron, which is why I had purchased it.  I nearly threw it back up!  You ladies know how sensitive your taste buds can be when your expecting.
Lola helped me by suggesting putting it with pineapple juice.  It did help to mask the flavor some and being that I had to have it everyday I got more or less use to it.  
Now I only take occasionally when I feel I need an iron boost.  Mostly in the summer time because it's too hot to be eating a bunch of meat.

If they made pills available being the cheapskate that I am I'd probably still purchase the powder. Usually powders are cheaper.  I do like others suggest... block my nose like a little kid eating clams mixed in spaghetti sauce!  THAT, was nasty!  
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 11:46am; Reply: 94
Smoothie additive, can't even tell as I put everything but the kitchen sink in my smoothies (foodwise). Did notice a nice nutritional boost from it.
Posted by: balletomane, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 2:44pm; Reply: 95
Leanne, reading your post gave me an idea: I can put the powder into empty capsules and swallow them instead... this way I can finish the 1.5 jars I still have left in my pantry ;)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 4:10pm; Reply: 96
Quoted from 11080
It sounds like the taste is fine for Type A's, who naturally have a taste for veggies.  But for us meateaters--it's horrible!!  My Type A Mom eats a lot of stuff that my O sister, my O brother-in-law, and I find extremely bitter and yucky.  Maybe we just need a Harmonia for Type O???

This doesn't explain why Lola likes is so much, though!   :-/


Who said us type A's like veggies? I would love to eat meat!!! lol I only eat veg cause it doesn't give me gas/skin problems/and a myriad of other ailments. haha

My theory is... The more something is healthy and needed by your body the more your body wants to reject it sometimes. A lot of people don't generally naturally gravitate towards their highly beneficials. For the most part we are all learning the reasons why we should eat certain things whether we "enjoy" them or not.

To make any powder drink more palatable I would try it with some ice. Add some highly flavored compatible fruit juice. Cherry is a good flavor that masks things. Not sure if O's can do cherry though. It might just be a neutral. Mango juice would for sure make it more palatable! I miss mangos. Lucky O's! lol

Also drinking it with a straw will make sure that it by passes your taste buds and just goes down you throat quicker with less taste to deal with.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 4:23pm; Reply: 97
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Who said us type A's like veggies?

I second that question...  I almost have to force my A's to eat some veggies...  There are so few that they "like" and some of those are on the avoid list...  Makes it tough to get enough veggies into them...
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 4:29pm; Reply: 98
As for hating vegetables....

Ever roast cauliflower?  Brussels sprouts? Carrots?  Parsnips? Butternut squash?

Ever make cultured vegetables?  Ever eat raw string beans or fresh peas right out of the pod?

I grew up in the deep south where green vegetables were cooked till they looked almost black.
They tasted bitter and looked as bad as they tasted to me....That's when I learned to despise vegetables...In school, this is what was served to us at lunch...smelly collards and smelly dirty
looking mustard greens.  At home, my mother's repertoire was carrots, corn, peas and string
beans and creamed spinach. Mostly all was canned....later years, frozen...but I never tasted cauliflower or broccoli or any of the squashes until I was an adult.

I got married not knowing what to do with vegetables. I steamed them and mostly they tasted
bland and disgusting.

The way vegetables are prepared changes the way they taste.  And they can be made to
taste really good!


Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 4:42pm; Reply: 99
Quoted from christaalyssaA+

My theory is... The more something is healthy and needed by your body the more your body wants to reject it sometimes. A lot of people don't generally naturally gravitate towards their highly beneficials. For the most part we are all learning the reasons why we should eat certain things whether we "enjoy" them or not.


I think this is really true in the early stages of eating for our type.  The foods that are bad for us are things that we can have something like an addiction to, or at least compulsive cravings for.  That was true for me back then;  I felt almost driven to eat foods that were all avoids.  

At some point along the way that shifted so that foods that are not good for me do NOT appeal to me.  The superfoods in my diet taste so good to my body that I can hardly wait from one meal to another!  (hehe)  Especially the Diamonds have that effect on me . . it's amazing what an emotional boost comes from eating these foods.  (sunny)  (even vegetables, which I never used to like!)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 5:08pm; Reply: 100
Quoted from Chloe

. .I grew up in the deep south where green vegetables were cooked till they looked almost black.
They tasted bitter and looked as bad as they tasted to me....That's when I learned to despise vegetables...In school, this is what was served to us at lunch...smelly collards and smelly dirty
looking mustard greens.  At home, my mother's repertoire was carrots, corn, peas and string
beans and creamed spinach. Mostly all was canned....later years, frozen...but I never tasted cauliflower or broccoli or any of the squashes until I was an adult.

I got married not knowing what to do with vegetables. I steamed them and mostly they tasted
bland and disgusting. .  .

Yes!  All vegetables in the south were either cooked to death, or they were smothered in sticky sugary stuff . . OR . . deep fried!  I also ended up steaming everything just to try and break out of that unhealthy cycle.  But the veggies didn't taste good enough to bother with.  Now I do a lot of stir-frying, which is really not fried, but stirred in a skillet on low heat with a little beneficial fat until the veggies are lightly tender, or I bake a few things and eat with ghee.  I still steam broccoli, but now I know when to take it off the heat.  ;)

Since the weather is turning cold now, I'm starting to think about baking/roasting vegetables.  Oh, Yum!  

I need some tips.  Do you all cover your veggies when you bake them?
Posted by: BHealthy, Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 8:38pm; Reply: 101
So, how does Harmonia taste now?  

The green powder I currently take is so delicious I'm loathe to give it up for something that tastes nasty.  Mine is also organic, which Harmonia isn't. But, it has alfalfa leaf juice powder in it.  Not sprouts, just the leaves/grass, juiced and dried.  Alfalfa sprouts are listed as an avoid for me but there is no mention of the leaves....

Also, since I'm menopausal, I try to avoid supplements with iron in them and Harmonia was NOT recommended at the end of my SWAMI.  Does that mean I shouldn't take it?
Posted by: BHealthy, Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 9:05pm; Reply: 102
I am still researching this as I'm reluctant to take Harmonia based on its iron content.

In another thread I found this quote on alfalfa and type O attributed to Dr D:
Quoted Text
This is principally due to one of alfalfa's constituents, the amino acid   canavallin. This compound is a non-essential amino acid which competes with arginine and has been found to induce a reversible   lupus-like condition in some individuals. This syndrome is characterized by anemia, antibodies to DNA, and deposition of immunoglobulins and complement in the skin. The suspected mechanism is a loss of T suppressor activity. T suppressor cells modulate the immune response by "suppressing" the T killer cells. Thus, by "suppressing the suppressors" canavallin increases immune activity. However it is non-specific and often directed against the body's own tissues. As I wrote in ER4YT, type O's have higher rates of auto-immune disease over the other ABO types. (Mourant, 1985)

The component called "L-canavanine" is present in the seeds and sprouts but not the leaves.

According to http://www.livestrong.com/article/166250-alfalfa-arthritis-treatment/:
Canavanine is an unusual amino acid found in the seeds and sprouts but not in the mature leaves. Thus, alfalfa tea and capsules made from leaves would not be expected to contain canavanine.

So I'm going to assume that the product I currently use is OK with respect to canavanine.

I also found this quote:
Quoted Text
Alfalfa contains an additional compound with thyrotropin-releasing hormone (TRH) activity. This TRH analog is biologically active, probably via the hypothalmus rather than the pituitary, and has the additional effect of inhibiting prolactin release. Since type O has a rather unstable thyroid metabolism to begin with, this adds yet another contra-indication against using the herb in this type.

This might be a problem for me so once I've had my thyroid checked, I will reevaluate.

Alfalfa is loaded with nutrients and is high in vitamin K (although I don't know whether it's K2) and might be a replacement for my K2 supplement which is derived from natto, another avoid for me.

The product I use is organic and GMO free.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, September 24, 2012, 8:32pm; Reply: 103
Supplements with iron in them are different than plant based foods that contain iron.
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