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Posted by: rosebud, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:55pm
For 7 years now I have been trying "desperately" to find a good, recommended Dr./ND in my area with no luck. The ones listed on practitioner finder in Wisconsin just basically "sell" his products.

Can someone PLEASE suggest a good Doc/ND who can help.  I live in Wisconsin near the Illinois border.

I'm hoping there are some other members here who live in my area that can help with suggestions.

I apologize for posting this probably on the wrong section of this forum, but I didn't know where else to post it.

As a 55 yr young female, I just want to keep my hair from falling out.  This has been going on now for 7 years, and I don't have much left.  Please help, so someone who knows something can steer me in the right direction.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 9:57pm; Reply: 1
would you consider getting a secretor test done
and then with results, eventually reading GTD

and ordering a swami?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 10:03pm; Reply: 2
Hey what Lola suggests would be a great start and you don't need a ND/MD to do it.


Take  it into your own hands accept full responsibility for your health and diet. Dr. D'Adamo has given us al the tools we just need to apply them.


Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 10:36pm; Reply: 3
If you need help...
http://www.dadamo.com/ifhi/csvsearch.pl
Posted by: Jane, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 10:45pm; Reply: 4
Are you hypothyroid?  Hair loss is often due to that.
Posted by: Sharon, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 11:59pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from AKArtlover


Angela, Great idea!

Rosebud, Looks like there are four practitioners from Wisconsin who can help or point you in the right direction for an N.D.

http://www.dadamo.com/ifhi/csvsearch.pl?search=Wisconsin&order_by=Last_Name&order=abc
Posted by: Lola, Monday, November 8, 2010, 3:59am; Reply: 6
I d pick these two from the list over the other two which are simply F meaning fellows of IFHI not Masters
# Madsen, Lisa , MT, MIFHI L-114 / Franksville, WI
# Sampson, Linda Gale , MIFHI L-173 / Milwaukee, WI
Posted by: rosebud, Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:37am; Reply: 7
I really appreciate the feedback and information, however, as I indicated in my post, the MD's listed under this site weren't of any help and basically just sell Dr. D's supplements.  I just finished talking to Lisa Madsen and she is a hair stylist at a salon, follows Dr's D's protocols and sells the supplements at the salon.  Ditto for the others listed; sells the supplements, and somewhat follow his ER4BT.

I'm looking for a "Doctor or ND" who can actually help me in determining why my hair is falling out.

The Endo I saw was useless and said even though all my thyroid tests are "borderline" abnormal,that's fine, and if like, I can "stop at a Walgreen's on the way home and pick up a bottle o Rogaine."  

I'm hoping someone on this site will read my request who lives in Wisconsin or Illinois and refer me to a great MD/ND.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:47am; Reply: 8
I will not give you any advise today, but I will think about it, as hairloss is not something to over look..

you came here, so, are you doing BTD GENO dieting and for how long already.. hairloss is a sign of something.. thyroid is only one item, but borderline thyroid is on issue I would not overlook. menopause however is the likely reason and will maybe go away again..

have you by chance read about the thyroid protocols in the ER4YT encyclopedia?? you might want to get it through your library.. on the other hand its worth buying.

We here are willing to help in some ways if you wish such help.. if not then finding any good doc is a problem every where.. but I might know of a person I can make a call to in your area and respond later today..
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, November 8, 2010, 12:27pm; Reply: 9
Hair loss can also be lack of  protein, too much carbs and/or stress ... our A bodies are easily get stressed, need to find the right balance for everything ... too much exercise (or lack of it), overeating, not having a balanced diet, exposure to pollutants ... hair loss is just a sign in the overall health landscape ... get SwamiX to guide you in the right direction ... and learn to listen to your body and report back to SwamiX so it can then produce a lifestyle suitable for you! an exclusive lifestyle ... I always view SwamiX as having the doc at home ... The beauty of it is that once you get it, it stays with you, 24/7 .... In the meantime, while the dust is still in the air, check your stress levels, watch your food intake, let it be preferably organic, fresh, according to your BT (do get the secretor test done too) or Genotype if easy to determine with what you know about yourself ... back to food intake: quality over quantity!!!  throw away your shampoos, toothpastes, make ups, soaps and use natural alternatives ... I stopped all that and my hair, skin, teeth look cleaner, shinier, healthier than ever ... do the best you can to place yourself in a healthy environment ... do not stress about it, any improvement is a giant step in the right direction ... above all, stay connected here ... plenty of good advice and caring  ...  :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, November 8, 2010, 12:39pm; Reply: 10
Ah Rosebud you don't like anything we say.. why do you ask us? :)


I will ask my question again, what are you eating? Do you have  a secretor test? Do you have a  SWAMI?
We have no magic pill for you...

You do not need an MD or ND to start on the right path.


Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, November 8, 2010, 1:59pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from rosebud

The Endo I saw was useless and said even though all my thyroid tests are "borderline" abnormal,that's fine, and if like, I can "stop at a Walgreen's on the way home and pick up a bottle o Rogaine."  

I'm hoping someone on this site will read my request who lives in Wisconsin or Illinois and refer me to a great MD/ND.


Borderline abnormal could be abnormal for you. Those are based on a general population, not an individual. B12 deficiency can also cause hair loss.
Fire your doctor.

You might search for a DO.
(Osteopath)
What about this: http://www.uwhealth.org/alternative-medicine/integrative-medicine/10824
Or search alternative medicine or complementary medicine.

I don't know. I searched for a DO and found a wonderful doc who integrates Eastern/Western AND is on our insurance.

Search, find some prospects and then DO a search on them. Turns out that my doc does some teaching and writing that I thought was good.

Also, there are websites that people review doctors on. There is probably also Angie's List local to your area that you can get reviews on as a starting point. http://www.angieslist.com

Schedule an appointment and access the person. Is it a good fit FOR you?

I would at least get one that considers food a medicine, or else you might end up in speaking totally different languages.

YOU are in charge of YOUR HEALTH.
No one else can do it for you.

Best to you. :K)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:00pm; Reply: 12
Thought of another search term -- "preventative"
Posted by: rosebud, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 5:15am; Reply: 13
Andrea -- I never said I "don't like anything you say."  Why would you even make such a statement?  I was merely making a "correction" in doing a search on this site for an MD because I clearly indicated in my first post I had already completed this task, and later it was suggested I do so.   I am eating according to ER4YT for quite some time.    

I'm here because I believe in Dr. D, his protocols, and am lost in trying to figure out on my own, what is causing me to lose my hair.  It has been going on now for 7 yrs, and has been just devastating.  Making negative comments certainly doesn't help and is not appreciated.  I am NOT looking for a magic pill!  This has been a 7 yr battle, and if I were looking for a magic pill I still wouldn't be a follower on this site and Dr. D's protocols.  I take great insult to your comments.  Of course I need an MD/ND -- what if it is my thyroid and need a script for Armour, Naturethroid, etc.

AKArtover -- Yes, I have fired my Doctor(s) and hoping someone will help in trying to find someone who looks outside the box, and knows what he/she is talking about.  Some Dr's are just idiots.

Goldie -- Thank you so much, and I appreciate any phone calls you can make in my quest in finding someone to help me.  Thanks.

Thank you to everyone for being understanding.  Maybe Andrea is having a bad day -- much like the hairs left on my scalp. :)
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 5:26am; Reply: 14
What the members are saying is, is that you may need to up your game diet wise and then you "can" figure this out on your own.

The ER4YT diet may not be enough for you anymore.  Members here are suggesting you get your secretor status tested so you can adjust your diet to your secretor status and/or go further, and purchase the SwamiX program, and get a very personalized diet program based on your unique medical and genetic history.

This is why they are saying you don't need an MD or ND to help you solve your hair loss problem.  Since you didn't respond to these suggestions (you may not have understood them) I think that's why Andrea responded the way she did.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 5:27am; Reply: 15
pls read about the non secretor issue and order a kit

http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm
whether you find a Dr or not, at least you ll be one step ahead of your journey toward healing your body right
Posted by: KimonoKat, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 5:32am; Reply: 16
Another thing to consider Rosebud.  Type A's have the most subtypes, and depending on GenoType, can have the widest diversity in beneficial/super foods that are ideal for them.

Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 7:03am; Reply: 17
Quoted from rosebud
what if it is my thyroid and need a script for Armour, Naturethroid, etc.
Have you tried the Tincture of Iodine patch test?  It may be all you need to stimulate a possibly sluggish thyroid.

While I agree with the other posters here that it is good to be very self-reliant, I also understand the need to have a "sounding board" or "idea person" to help with the process of finding solutions for issues as they come up.  We do attempt to provide as much benefit as possible to persons requesting aid, and part of that is to suggest additional things you can do to learn more about yourself and what foods will be the most helpful for your individuality.  I am finding that as I adjust diet and heal more, that I am needing less and less supplements, etc.  Just healing foods and digestive help are mostly what is needed to maintain the healing.

Most of us have learned that we save a tremendous amount of money and grief, by focusing more on what we can do for ourselves, rather than stressing over the Dr. not being helpful...

Posted by: rosebud, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 8:09am; Reply: 18
Does Dr. D have a thryoid protocol?  And if so, can someone supply a link?  I searched the site and was unable to find it.

I will also look in Dr. D's books.  I have most of them.

Thanks!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 8:17am; Reply: 19
get the encyclopedia at your library

there s a section on thyroid, with protocol suggestions and all
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 8:58am; Reply: 20
Quoted Text
I'm here because I believe in Dr. D, his protocols, and am lost in trying to figure out on my own, what is causing me to lose my hair.  It has been going on now for 7 yrs, and has been just devastating.  Making negative comments certainly doesn't help and is not appreciated.  I am NOT looking for a magic pill!  This has been a 7 yr battle, and if I were looking for a magic pill I still wouldn't be a follower on this site and Dr. D's protocols.  I take great insult to your comments.  Of course I need an MD/ND -- what if it is my thyroid and need a script for Armour, Naturethroid, etc.


I would not think it as having been insulting you (as you indicate in the above.. But here we do have a tendency not to respond to a question like where is a good doctor.. We are a body of people that really like to start at the beginning and empower you to make yourself healthy. a little info at the beginning helps a lot.

You see that as soon as you say you do BTD then we understand much better what you are facing.. we will for a time many questions all meant to guide you to on answer that will sit right with you..

Like doing the IODINE thyroid test.. Q: do you know how to do it?  where you here a few months ago when we discussed it at length, explaining that if you need iodine then you can self deal with it much better then medicine will do..

on the other hand yes you can get over the counter stuff like armour thyroid support, but I would rather follow the sups from DrD.. Q: did you try them already ? which ones? for how long? in combination or alone one at a time?  what have you tried so far?  why do you think you have hair loss?

If it where your thyroid, can you eat foods that support a thyroid?  (Like: I can not imagine eating liver-so that is not for me) but other foods might be right for you..have you already tried that?  are you a secretor? have you lost weight? or added some? do you sleep well?  

Q: your PLACE OF LIVING or work.. are you in a clean place or is there a mayor highway on all sides?  Lead from exhaust can cause issues that result in hairless.. have you ever done a hair analyses?

The 7 years you are referring.. has anything changed at that time?? other than hormones..

did you try some 5HTP (from healthfoodstore) to see if it might stimulate the liver to make some (little) progesterone or some other thing you may have a temporary need for. ( I used it for 10 days and felt a mayor difference, I stopped until I will need it again) or I might use it to promote serotonin changes .. it can have many effects, including hair growth.

I love my doctor who I got really upset with... he pointed me in the direction of taking responsibility for my own health.. I never looked back.. but I learned to figure some things out for my self, and then I allow my new doc to test out what I wish.. I find that all to often they have no clue unless we can explain all the above first..  like poisons we ingest by air or foods.. they seldom test for it.

What kind of salt are you using?  are you eating protein 3 times a day?

Sorryyy.. my friend has not gotten back to me yet.. but I will follow up..

  
Posted by: rosebud, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 12:12pm; Reply: 21
Hi Goldie:

The IODINE thyroid test -- Several years I was going to do it, but then there was some information that it was not reliable, so I set that thought aside.  However, I am most definitely willing to try it, since I've exhausted every thing else.  HOW DO YOU DO THE THYROID IODINE TEST?  

In regards to "Armour" or "Naurethroid," this are not available OTC, and need a script.  And since I haven't been able to find a good ND, or get mixed opinions about my thyroid, I haven't successfully tried it.  

In regards to why I have hair loss -- 7 yrs ago when I first noticed a ton of hair in the tub after a shampoo, then clogging the drains to the point I had to bring in a plumber who actually had to cut out the pipe in basement, only to discover "enough  hair to build several wigs."  He said in all his years of plumbing he has never seen so much hair clogging a drain.  Or when I come or brush it out and there is a ton in the comb/brush, counter, hand, clothes, etc.  More importantly, when I began to notice my volume thinning out and seeing thru my scalp.  The loss of hair now, 7 yrs later, is so bad you can see thru the top of my scalp and I have to use a colored powder or spray on the top to try and hide the scalp.  I also went to a derm who confirmed my hair loss, but of course had no answer other than possible heredity baldness.  

I know you suggested LIVER, however, blood type A's should not eat meat.  And to be honest, when I was eating meat before the BTD prior to my hair loss, I wasn't losing hair.  

I don't know if I'm a secretor yet, I haven't lost any weight.

I DEFINITELY don't sleep well.  Tried everything natural. . . nothing works except a sleeping pill.  I have just so much energy I just don't get tired.  As an example, it was 2:00 this morning and I was still wide awake and could not fall asleep, and my alarm goes off at 5:30.  No good -- but I don't want to get addicted to sleeping pills.  I tried many of the herbs for relaxation and sleep, Dr. D's supplements and/or herbs for relaxation and sleep, and they don't work.  Someone they suggested I tried "Mangnesium" because I also have Restless Leg Syndrome and muscle cramps at times, so I bought "Natural Calm" by Peter Gillham. . . didn't work. . . not a bit.  

PLACE OF LIVING or WORK -- I work  in a very clean place (Dentist office) and actually during the last 7 yrs, I worked at 4 different places and still hair loss. And no, none are near a major highway at all.  I've done a hair analysis in the last 7 years, plus saliva testing, and the Doc's who ordered the tests told me some things when they "tried" to interpet the results and had me by a bunch of their supplements, which of course did nothing.  That is why I have been trying so hard to figure this out on my own, following Dr. D's protocols in hopes of stopping my hair loss, but as you can see, I have been unsuccessful.

When I saw the endo 2 yrs ago and she tested me for my thyroid and it came back at 4.86 which to me is high because today they say it should be no higher than 2, she just said it's just borderline abnormal and stop at Walgreen's on your way home and get some Rogaine!  I wanted to smack her as my hair was falling all over her desk.  I told her my hair loss is clearly an indication that something is amiss in my body.

So I came home read all of Dr D's books again, hoping there is something I missed, continued to following the BTD. . . and obviously you can see I have been unsuccessful. :(   :(   :(   Oh, my kingdom for some hair!

In the 7 years you asked if anything has changed.  Not really, except losing more hair.  I have in my life encountered much stress.  Let's see. . . My mom passed away of colon cancer, one month later my husband filed for divorce and decided he wanted to be with another woman, I lost my job 2 yrs later,about 5 yrs later my sister passed away, lost another job, and then I also fractured many bones in my ankle when I fell down the stairs.  So, yes, I've had stress.

However, most of these things happened "prior" to my hair loss except for the death of my mom and divorce.

You asked if I tried 5HTP -- What is that?  Never heard of it.  Is this a vitamin supplement?


You are so lucky you love your Doctor. .  I wish I could say the same!  It was actually the lack of knowledge and/or  compassion of the Doctor's I've seen that made ME take take responsibility for my own health, hence following the BTD.  


In answer to your question about what kind of salt I use -- I use sea salt.  I eat protein every day, either from Fish, Chicken or Turkey, and eat plenty of almonds, nuts, etc.  

I look forward in hearing from you and what your friend recommends.  Please know I appreciate it immensely, and than him/her for me!  

That is why I love the BTD and this site.  In the many years I have followed Dr. D's protocols, I've also come to learn everyone here is so supportive and wonderful.  Until of course I read  Andrea's post.  Maybe I misinterpreted it, which can happen so many times in emails and/or posts.  If so, I apologize.

Wishing everyone a wonderful and delightful day.  Here in Wisconsin it's actually beautiful and we are having a fabulous Indian Summer.  I do not tolerate the cold at all, so I am not looking forward to what's ahead.
Posted by: rosebud, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 12:54pm; Reply: 22
Goldie --

I was going to add this thought on my other post and forgot.

My hair loss began immediately at the onset of peri-menopause, so I know my hormones are involved.  However. . .

Since we know it's my hormones, did the loss of estrogen  & progesterone affect my thyroid, or vise versa?  Which came first the chicken or the egg?  I've read where many women will start to have thyroid issues at the onset of menopause, because the hormones control the thyroid.  

Just a thought.  I've been trying to figure this out for years, and it feels good to have the support of this forum.  Together, we'll get to the bottom of this and then we'll all have to get together somewhere and celebrate with my new hair!

Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:00pm; Reply: 23
Have you tried here?

http://www.naturopathic.org/AF_MemberDirectory.asp?version=2

No necessarily into my work, but certainly 'real' NDs.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:02pm; Reply: 24
Hi Goldie:

The IODINE thyroid test -- Several years I was going to do it, but then there was some information that it was not reliable, so I set that thought aside.  However, I am most definitely willing to try it, since I've exhausted every thing else.  HOW DO YOU DO THE THYROID IODINE TEST?  

[color=blue]OK so go and buy IODINE the colored kind not the clear.about 6.- . as you need to see what the results will be.. then paint a swatch 2x2 inches on your underarm or inner legs where the skin is thinnest.. if after 2 hours you see it disappeared ( careful it can rub off.. so for your first try just sit some place quietly.. ) then you needed IODINE.. ( using sea salt may not provide enough IODINE  but your see food should.. but then it becomes a question of absorption. If however you need it then do it once a week until you get enough then once a month or as you think is good..  


In regards to "Armour" or "Naurethroid," this are not available OTC, and need a script.  And since I haven't been able to find a good ND, or get mixed opinions about my thyroid, I haven't successfully tried it.  

There is Armour something available in the health food store.. really cheap.. but I might caution as you say YOU HAVE to much energy already.. so take it only on a week when you do not need to sleep.. try and see if it will actually put you to sleep.. even though for most people it actually gives them energy.. but being burnt out ..It might work the opposite way.. try it ..  

In regards to why I have hair loss -- 7 yrs ago when I first noticed a ton of hair in the tub after a shampoo, then clogging the drains to the point I had to bring in a plumber who actually had to cut out the pipe in basement, only to discover "enough  hair to build several wigs."  He said in all his years of plumbing he has never seen so much hair clogging a drain.  Or when I come or brush it out and there is a ton in the comb/brush, counter, hand, clothes, etc.  More importantly, when I began to notice my volume thinning out and seeing thru my scalp.  The loss of hair now, 7 yrs later, is so bad you can see thru the top of my scalp and I have to use a colored powder or spray on the top to try and hide the scalp.  I also went to a derm who confirmed my hair loss, but of course had no answer other than possible heredity baldness.  

A hairiest then or now will have shown what metal issues you had.. you might ask for the Doctors report and read it.. don't get another test before you study the previous results..  

I know you suggested LIVER, however, blood type A's should not eat meat.  And to be honest, when I was eating meat before the BTD prior to my hair loss, I wasn't losing hair.

Well ... I might just test if meat might be what you need for a while.. crazy.. but some A's seem to need it.. having said that I am not advising .. but you might give it a short trial.. but then there ought to be other foods good for the thyroid.. I have not researched that but you might look around.. I still however think BTD might be best .. BUT MAYBE I question are you truly A???  ask to be tested.. you will have to pay for it as it will not be covered by insurance.. about 20.-30.-.. or do a Lewis Antigen Blood test - a blood test that will tell you your secretor status most accurately.
I don't know if I'm a secretor yet, I haven't lost any weight.

I DEFINITELY don't sleep well.  Tried everything natural. . . nothing works except a sleeping pill.  I have just so much energy I just don't get tired.  As an example, it was 2:00 this morning and I was still wide awake and could not fall asleep, and my alarm goes off at 5:30.  No good -- but I don't want to get addicted to sleeping pills.  I tried many of the herbs for relaxation and sleep, Dr. D's supplements and/or herbs for relaxation and sleep, and they don't work.  Someone they suggested I tried "Mangnesium" because I also have Restless Leg Syndrome and muscle cramps at times, so I bought "Natural Calm" by Peter Gillham. . . didn't work. . . not a bit.  

OK HERE IS another test for your thyroid.. shake your thermometer all the way down the night before.. then in the morning upon waking immediately put it under your arm..do not get up first.. stay as quiet as possible  if the temp seems low by at least one or two degrees below normal , then you have issues.. if not then the mystery goes on.

ANOTHER suggestion.. did you try taking Melatonin.. at your age take 5 mg per day for a week then take 3 mg after that .. it ought to reset your internal sleep clock.  Good luck.

PLACE OF LIVING or WORK -- I work  in a very clean place (Dentist office) and actually during the last 7 yrs, I worked at 4 different places and still hair loss. And no, none are near a major highway at all.  I've done a hair analysis in the last 7 years, plus saliva testing, and the Doc's who ordered the tests told me some things when they "tried" to interpret the results and had me by a bunch of their supplements, which of course did nothing.  That is why I have been trying so hard to figure this out on my own, following Dr. D's protocols in hopes of stopping my hair loss, but as you can see, I have been unsuccessful.

ok at least something in your favor.. does your dentist check his x-ray equipment regularly?? I guess yes and it has been going on even in other offices.. so that might not be your issues.. but amalgam dust in the air might be a bad thing for A's use a mask if you can..

When I saw the endo 2 yrs ago and she tested me for my thyroid and it came back at 4.86 which to me is high because today they say it should be no higher than 2, she just said it's just borderline abnormal and stop at Walgreen's on your way home and get some Rogaine!  I wanted to smack her as my hair was falling all over her desk.  I told her my hair loss is clearly an indication that something is amiss in my body.

send her loving care and when you find out what helped then tell her about your journey..

So I came home read all of Dr D's books again, hoping there is something I missed, continued to following the BTD. . . and obviously you can see I have been unsuccessful.          Oh, my kingdom for some hair!

In the 7 years you asked if anything has changed.  Not really, except losing more hair.  I have in my life encountered much stress.  Let's see. . . My mom passed away of colon cancer, DID YOU TEST YOUR COLON?? Colon cancer develops slowly, but there might be a inherent weakness..

one month later my husband filed for divorce and decided he wanted to be with another woman, I lost my job 2 yrs later,about 5 yrs later my sister passed away, lost another job,  THAT IS INDEED a lot of stress are you dealing with it all on your own or have some real good friend to work through?? Doing the following is a great way to just sit and 'feel' it out.. get a egg timer set it for 1- 2 or 3 minutes.. allow yourself to talk how you feel.. the other person is not required to do anything.. just be there to make sure you are in a loving and protected environment.. for the minutes you choose.  YOU are allowed to say ANYTHING and if you wish you can ask for anything like a foot rub or a good laugh, or a shrug of the shoulders for your self.. the partner friend is not really allowed to ever talk about your 'minutes' the content is not for discussion and no answers are given.. IF you wish you can reciprocate with the same rules.. then after the 'safe minutes' get up and do something else..    t and then I also fractured many bones in my ankle when I fell down the stairs.  So, yes, I've had stress.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:03pm; Reply: 25

However, most of these things happened "prior" to my hair loss except for the death of my mom and divorce.

You asked if I tried 5HTP -- What is that?  Never heard of it.  Is this a vitamin supplement?  Go to the health food store.. and ask what they have to say.. also read a post made here today and a link I made..

Menopause can be a long lasting issue.and hormones matter.. can you get a good hormone test.. or have you even tried some?? which ones?? ...... getting some Testosterone might be good for you.. but if you are aggressive and angry, then be careful as you may have enough of the hormones or even too much??  



You are so lucky you love your Doctor. .  I wish I could say the same!  It was actually the lack of knowledge and/or  compassion of the Doctor's I've seen that made ME take take responsibility for my own health, hence following the BTD.  GOOD for whatever brought you here.. Keep up BTD but take this test:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm  you might do better changing your diet ever so lightly or get Swami.. but do the blood test first.. you might have been miss- tested??


In answer to your question about what kind of salt I use -- I use sea salt.  I eat protein every day, either from Fish, Chicken or Turkey, and eat plenty of almonds, nuts, etc.  

I look forward in hearing from you and what your friend recommends.  Please know I appreciate it immensely, and than him/her for me!  

That is why I love the BTD and this site.  In the many years I have followed Dr. D's protocols, I've also come to learn everyone here is so supportive and wonderful.  Until of course I read  Andrea's post.  Maybe I misinterpreted it, which can happen so many times in emails and/or posts.  If so, I apologize.

Wishing everyone a wonderful and delightful day.  Here in Wisconsin it's actually beautiful and we are having a fabulous Indian Summer.  I do not tolerate the cold at all, so I am not looking forward to what's ahead.[/color]  

please consider some of the above.. maybe not all at once.. but just about in the order of suggestions.. give each item 2 weeks and see what might happen..   Aand thanks for al the info this helps so much to get a better picture.. of you..

also see the private message I sent you..
Posted by: Vicki, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:14pm; Reply: 26
When you go to a doctor, often they will order tests to gather information very early on.
With information, the doctor gives guidance.

We, too, have the ability to gather information right from home.  The salivary secretor test kit is an important investment to make excellent choices. The Type A non-secretor diet is vastly different from the secretor diet.   Swami xpress takes your information to produce your unique guide for foods including genoharmonic foods and much more.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:41pm; Reply: 27
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HAIR LOSS IN THYROID DISEASE
by ROSEBUD » Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:13 pm

I JUST FOUND THIS SITE...IT'S VERY INTERESTING. I HAD GRAVE'S DISEASE DIAGNOSED 7 YRS.AGO...VERY VERY SICK. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS BUT I HAD EVERY SYMPTOM. I HAD RADIOACTIVE IODINE TO MY THYROID & NOW 7 YRS. LATER...I SWITCHED BACK TO SYNTHROID IN FEBRUARY & EVERY BLOOD TEST HAS SHOWN HYPERTHYROIDISM & MY DOSE HAS BEEN DECREASED EVERY 2 MOS. I FEEL TERRIBLE. I HAD THICK SHINY HAIR & IT CONTINUES TO FALL OUT FROM THE ROOT. I HAVE LOST ABOUT 75%. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? I JUST CAME FROM THE LAB...CALLED MY ENDOCRINOLOGIST TODAY & TOLD HIM HOW TERRIBLE I FEEL. HE SENT ME FOR ANOTHER TSH, T3 & T4 ALONG WITH A CBC & IRON BLOOD TEST. I AM VERY CONVERNED ABOUT THE HAIR, AS WELL. [/i]
ROSEBUD"


Rosebud is this you? Do you have Grave's disease?
Sorry I insulted you but you still did not answer any questions about what you are doing.
  Please know that we are here to help but you need to do your part.
Maybe it is time to focus your energy on something else and get on with life. Many women wear wigs, and no one ever knows.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:33pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from KimonoKat
What the members are saying is, is that you may need to up your game diet wise and then you "can" figure this out on your own.

The ER4YT diet may not be enough for you anymore.  Members here are suggesting you get your secretor status tested so you can adjust your diet to your secretor status and/or go further, and purchase the SwamiX program, and get a very personalized diet program based on your unique medical and genetic history.

This is why they are saying you don't need an MD or ND to help you solve your hair loss problem.  Since you didn't respond to these suggestions (you may not have understood them) I think that's why Andrea responded the way she did.


I think so too, K-- Andrea can sometimes be blunt and people take it the wrong way. I tend to ramble on too long. I completely missed rosebud meaning she tried the practitioner finder for an MD.

Unfortunatly at this point, the MD/ND's aren't plentiful enough in the IFHI directory-- though there may be many out there who "get it" but aren't certified. My point was someone who is at least on board with what you are attempting to do. I just pulled a random link from the net, sure Dr. D's is much better.

If you can find someone who is excellent in Chinese medicine, that may be another alternative to explore.

Wow, Andrea really cares about you if she went back to find out all that info.
Seems like there is more to your story than we initially thought. Hang in there and find someone who can help. Remember that people active on this board are most likely not from near you. Maybe you can go to the Meeting Tree thread and private message a few?

I looked up Grave's disease and B12 deficiency is common. You may need more than a normal person. Hope you can find a professional to help you walk through it.

I kind of agree with Andrea, the energy of frustration isn't really benefiting you in the long run.

My grandmother had thinning and balding hair and became well known for her colorful hats and personality in her later years. She was a somewhat vain women, but she didn't let her hair loss hold back her flair. Me, I would probably just shave my head (did once in college and was fine with it).

Best to you.

I really need to cut the length of my responses, I get caught up and have other stuff to do-- time flies on this board. ;D
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:37pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from AKArtlover


I think so too, K-- Andrea can sometimes be blunt and people take it the wrong way.



In NY we are like this.

Not sure even which part is blunt?


  


Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:42pm; Reply: 30
Yes, mam. In person, it's easy. It's so simple for people to misinterpret text. I'm going to take a cue from you and attempt to keep my posts shorter and to the point.

I think everyone on the board does best to assume that everyone else means well and for the most part, I think everyone does most all of the time. I have to check my head sometimes. 8)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:43pm; Reply: 31
;)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:47pm; Reply: 32
Ok, now-- there is my point exactly-- your interpretation of my word choice. I meant-- short and to the point. Now when I read your response, I didn't even see your question about the word blunt.

Rosebud posts a short question-- and I think she had another on another thread-- and we don't realize there is a whole backstory.

I think the computer world has us all talking in shorthand much of the time. Good and bad to that.

But for the sake of time, I need to start posting like a New Yorker!  ;D
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:51pm; Reply: 33
I find it interesting that we kind of look at the symptoms in the same way.. If it is so tractable why can there not be a list of issues that point in one direction  to start with then eliminating as things are tested and tried.. I mean we are supposed to have the best healthcare..yet we can not figure out such a suggestion.. frustrating for anyone caught in the web of docs and diagnoses'.. and so costly.  We should work on something like that and get it of the ground.. as a grass root project.  ;D

I had started a thread a while ago.. asking for symptom lists.. they are interesting and it could be a starting point .. I mean yes doc'd cant function on us knowing something.. not scientific enough, but could we not develope such a thing.. what would hold us back??   ??) ::)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 3:04pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from AKArtlover
Yes, mam. In person, it's easy. It's so simple for people to misinterpret text. I'm going to take a cue from you and attempt to keep my posts shorter and to the point.

I think everyone on the board does best to assume that everyone else means well and for the most part, I think everyone does most all of the time. I have to check my head sometimes. 8)


I guess balance is key. :)

Angela you are pretty terrific.

Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 3:25pm; Reply: 35
Can't add  much myself.
Doc D. posted a link for you.
Don't nonnie As need some meat? I also think that would be a good start.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:16pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from rosebud
  
I'm here because I believe in Dr. D, his protocols, and am lost in trying to figure out on my own, what is causing me to lose my hair.  It has been going on now for 7 yrs, and has been just devastating.  )


I just saw on tv 99% of the reason people have hair loss is due to too much stress. You are an A. We get stressed very easily. What do you do to handle your stress ?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:19pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from AKArtlover


I think so too, K-- Andrea can sometimes be blunt and people take it the wrong way.


It's a Warrior thing. We are sadly misunderstood... :( :-/

BTW, my hair is thinning as well..it's all about aging ... I need to stop worrying about my hair and be grateful I have good health otherwise.
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:35pm; Reply: 38
4.82 is on the high end for TSH.   Maybe you need to look for another endocrinologist.  There's a list on Mary Shomon's site.  You might look there and see if there's someone near enough to you to talk to.  It's all a matter of balance and sometimes it's really a struggle to find the find a doctor that's really interested in you and is willing to work with you.  I wish you  the best.  
Did you look at Dr. D's link?
Jane
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 5:08pm; Reply: 39
I sent you the name of a good doc..to trust your 'hair health' to /// in private message..

others are welcome to ask more about this by email..  
Posted by: Lin, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:18pm; Reply: 40
Hi Rosebud, I'm a type A and find I do need a little meat as in Turkey/chicken.You might want to read up on adrenal fatigue which I understand is common, and will impact the thyroid.  The naturopath I was going to was treating my thyroid, TSH was 3.  But after a while she was puzzled about the lack of response. She then learned that some people have an adrenal issue that affects they thyroid. So the adrenals need to be supported first, and sometimes the thyroid recovers as a result. The adrenal issue is a result of a lot of anxiety/stress which you sound like you have gone through.  I found a good website that explains a lot about the adrenal - thyroid hormone link http://www.drrind.com, for adrenal vs thyroid - http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-faqs#adrenalvsthyroid.
Good luck!
Lin
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:50pm; Reply: 41
I kinda agree about not stressing over the hairloss and moving on, but maybe from my own different perspective. For me, the emphasis would be on the not stressing, and would not mean that I just accepted it and stopped making an effort.

If my hair was falling out in handfuls (and I have had a lot of hairloss, which is moving in the good direction now), I would work on rebuilding solid health from the ground up.  My focus would not necessarily be on my hair, because I see this as a symptom, but I would continue to do whatever I could to benefit my scalp and hair follicles at the same time I'm working on my general health.  

Other type A's have mentioned the stress/worry factor and I think this is a key to the big picture.  The only way we can control the challenges and pain that life throws our way is to change ourselves;  either our thoughts or actions or the type of emotions that we cultivate.  Not only is it our right, but it is our responsibility to develop our coping strategies.  If I know I have a hard time dealing with stress, this gives me a step in my 'game plan';  developing some strategies for lowering my reaction to stressful events.
Posted by: rosebud, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 4:29am; Reply: 42
Hello Goldie:

In regards to my temperature, I did indeed do that a few years ago when I was reading up a lot on thyroid issues.  My average temp for 1 week was 97.82

I also tried the melatonin.  Didn't work;  not a bit.

In regards to the Amalgam dust, I know that's not what's causing my hair loss because I just started working there only a year ago and my hair loss has been going on now for 8 yrs.

I did indeed get my colonoscopy test done this summer in July.  I go every five years.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 5:47am; Reply: 43
your puppy must be quite big by now, RB!

have you taken any new pictures? :)
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:15am; Reply: 44
so all my questions got washed out.. well keep on trying... if the temp is ok, then looking at the adrenals and the Piuitary gland might be another avenue..  

what about the throid and Iodine test?  

I think I would go to BU and get tested.. or at least  get Swami  
Posted by: rosebud, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:15am; Reply: 45
Hi Andrea & Everyone:

Cannot tell you how much I appreciate everyone's help and compassion.  A BIG hug and many thanks.  And thanks to D. D for his link.  I will check it out immediately.  There has to be someone out there who can help.

Andrea -- Wow!  Another Rosebud is loosing hair!!!  Talk about coincidence.  Sorry, but the other ROSEBUD is not me.  I do NOT have Graves disease.  I feel wonderful except for my balding head.  I contribute my good health to ER4BT and Dr. D.  However, I should would be interested in talking to the other ROSEBUD.

That's why I'm so confused, scared and frustrated.  i made the mistake yesterday of looking in a mirror at the store and just wanted to cry.  I'm sure you know what I'm talking about and you've seen those women with the balding scalps and feel so sorry for them; that's me.  And I'm only 55 yrs young; hair loss started at around 47, immediately going into peri-menopause.  Damn hormones!

I'm doing everything right, and yet I'm losing all this hair.  I don't know if I should think thyroid, adrenals, B12, iron, magnesium, glandular support, hormones (HRT) . . . Ugh!  Sometimes I think I just should have taken the ROGAINE the endo told me to use and maybe I would have my hair.  I just personally feel Rogaine is really a drug and a band-aid of sorts, and something is really amiss in my body which needs fix'in.

I believe someone asked if I was sure I was A+.  Yes, years ago I gave blood and was told that is my blood type.  And given my slim body, personality, and required food groups, I definitely know I am.

Hugs,

Rose
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 12:10pm; Reply: 46
Have you read Susanne somers books.. If I still had my period I woudl twke the hormones for life.. I felt good about them then.. exactly 50 years like clockwork 6.30 every 28 days.. then downhill from there..
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:03pm; Reply: 47
In the meantime I'd like to suggest to you a remedy, which helped me very quickly - made a quick improvement in a short time. You may have heard about it, or even used it: Priorin by Bayer Vital, Leverkusen, Germany. It contains millet extract, Vit. B5 and Cysetin. http://www.priorin.de/home.php (German link)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 1:28pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from rosebud


I'm doing everything right, and yet I'm losing all this hair.  

Hugs,

Rose


So tell us what you are doing?
:D...

What is your secretor status? What is your Genotype?



Posted by: Vicki, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 4:06pm; Reply: 49
Tweaking is helpful to make further gains to your health.  The secretor test would be very helpful to further refine your recommendations.  
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 6:47pm; Reply: 50
Mikeo recently mentioned that following the Genotype diet, he experienced hair growth again after being bald for 15 years!  
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-lr4yt/m-1272627856/s-25/

Mike's hunter diet down-tuned his slightly overactive thyroid;  but the powerful thing about eating for our genotype is that whichever direction our system is imbalanced, it will regulate in the right direction.

My hair was falling out with increasing speed after menopause.  When I started the genotype diet, I found that throughout my body, things began to improve that I had not realized were out of balance:
I began to sleep through the night again.
My hair loss stopped progressing, leveled out for a few months and now my hair is beginning to come in thicker again.  (nearly 3 years on the GTD)
Chronic low energy is starting to reverse.  Enthusiasm is returning.
Depression and a sense of overwhelm is nearly completely gone.
Tooth decay has virtually stopped.
IBS is nearly gone and only appears as an isolated event during highly stressful moments.
My weight completely normalized!  It happened in 3 stages, over nearly 3 years, but I'm now at my college weight.

This is the short list!  And these are things that happened on the genotype diet.  10 years on the BTD improved my health a lot, but the real power of transformation for me came with eating as a Nomad.

Discovering your genotype will be relatively quick and simple.  It would really, really help you if you'll do a secretor test.  It's important, Rose.  That's why so many people are suggesting it for you.  This is a big step you can take to empower yourself and get moving in a positive direction with your hair concerns.

(ok)
Posted by: rosebud, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 10:27pm; Reply: 51
Andrea:

I follow the BTD according to my blood type A+  And I have to admit I feel fabulous.  No health issues, Do some Yoga, walking and biking.  Prior to this awful hair loss everyone would say I most definitely don't look my age and look 10+ years younger.  It's amazing how much our hair can make us look so much older.  And of course when we start to look like those "smilies" faces, we begin to look like an alien.  I don't want to look like this.  I just wish I knew what's causing it and what I can do.  I pray every night for an answer.

I'm more than willing to take the necessary supplements to stop this hair loss and grow hair, but I do NOT want to use Rogaine!

I'm just getting ready to order the secretor test, although I'm sure it won't help in stopping my hair loss, but it will tell me more and tweek my eating.

All help is so greatly appreciated and I wish everyone on this site that has been so support only knew how much I cried after reading all your posts, referrals, links, and suggestions.  

Hugs,

Rose
Let's lick this thing!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 10:41pm; Reply: 52
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1233501601/s-0/#num0
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I posted several times on this site looking for help.

she might be another Rosebud as well :-/
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 10:45pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from rosebud
I'm just getting ready to order the secretor test, although I'm sure it won't help in stopping my hair loss, but it will tell me more and tweek my eating.
If the secretor test comes back Secretor, then the next step would be to either determine your Genotype per the book, or preferably, get SWAMI and individualize to get the most bang...  

I know my healing stepped up tremendously when I started using the GTD, although it may have been the next step that I was about to do with BTD...  It is hard to know since I don't have a control group for me... ;) ;)   ;D ;D

Something else I just thought about ...  You might try the Cortices Technique described in the video at this link...  I did this technique and my head has been healing tremendously, but I have no idea if it will help hair loss...
http://www.bodytalksystem.com/learn/access/cortices.cfm

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:21pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from rosebud
Andrea:

I follow the BTD according to my blood type A+  And I have to admit I feel fabulous.  No health issues, Do some Yoga, walking and biking.  Prior to this awful hair loss everyone would say I most definitely don't look my age and look 10+ years younger.  It's amazing how much our hair can make us look so much older.  And of course when we start to look like those "smilies" faces, we begin to look like an alien.  I don't want to look like this.  I just wish I knew what's causing it and what I can do.  I pray every night for an answer.


I'm just getting ready to order the secretor test, although I'm sure it won't help in stopping my hair loss, but it will tell me more and tweek my eating.


Let's lick this thing!


Ok so go get a secretor test and a SWAMI and refine your diet further.


Like Victoria said it made a difference in her health even though she was on the BTD.



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although I'm sure it won't help in stopping my hair loss, but it will tell me more and tweek my eating.

You really don't know this.




Posted by: Victoria, Friday, November 12, 2010, 1:38am; Reply: 55
Be brave and don't defeat yourself with your own doubts.  (dissappointed)

There are always ways to change our own actions to improve our state of health.  (ok)

Focus on the direction you want to go in, more than the circumstance you don't like.  (think)

As Dr. D has said in many ways, you didn't get in this predicament overnight.  Whatever state we find our health in was years in the making. (scared)

Find an optimistic attitude inside yourself, be willing to make some changes and keep an open mind to the benefits you might gain from them.  (smile)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 12, 2010, 1:52am; Reply: 56
we are what we eat, and what we think.......
gut and brain are intimately related
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, November 12, 2010, 1:59am; Reply: 57
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Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:36am; Reply: 58
and I believe that other Rosebud Andrea in that 2006 post you referred us to, got back in shape and her hair grew back......
she doesn t even post here anymore!!!

I used to correspond with her then......
will drop her a line to see how she s doing ;)
Posted by: grey rabbit, Friday, November 12, 2010, 3:50am; Reply: 59
Quoted from ABJoe


Something else I just thought about ...  You might try the Cortices Technique described in the video at this link...  I did this technique and my head has been healing tremendously, but I have no idea if it will help hair loss...
http://www.bodytalksystem.com/learn/access/cortices.cfm



Thanks for the link Joe, I think you might give it a try Rosebud.

Rosebud, you say you are feeling great except for your hair. I say you are not listening to what your body is trying to tell you because you are not great, you are extremely stressed. I say this as another  stressed out "A", difference is I recognize what's going on with me and I know I'm stressed even though I'm in "great" shape (it's been showing up in my knees). You have had to deal with an incredible amount of "bad stuff" going on in your life, are you still carrying it around with you?

Do swamix, it will change your diet a great deal (I did it because I wanted to eat more cheese ;) and I'm not sorry I did because of all the other positive changes ).


What kind of exercise are you getting? Is it "A" appropriate? I like this http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Y-Dan.xhtml, but it isn't the only exercise I get.

Do some deep breathing and stay tuned to this board  :), there are some great people around here.
Posted by: rosebud, Friday, November 12, 2010, 1:24pm; Reply: 60
Grey Rabbit:

You're right, I shouldn't have said, "I feel fabulous," however, I was trying to convey other than my hair loss I don't have any other major issues at this time.  

I believe in a previous post I indicated I was quite upset with the endo I saw when she told me to stop at Walgreen's and buy some Rogaine, and "they have very nice wigs today," No. . . something is amiss with my body because of all this hair I'm losing.  
My body is most definitely telling me something is out of whack.

But what????  I've been so tenacious (some times too much) in trying to figure this out. Not just for me, for other women going through this as well.  Have you noticed lately, there are so many women balding on top?  What's going on?

OK, I'm heading over to the order section now to order my secretor test.  The reason I have been putting it off is because of $$$$  I lost my job last year, and actually had to bring someone into my home to rent out my basement in order to keep my house.

Wishing everyone a most "smiley" kind of day!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, November 12, 2010, 1:44pm; Reply: 61
http://hairclubforwomen.com/causes-female-hair-loss.php

Saw this on tv the other day. I would be very hesitant to do anything chemical, but it seems like there are other options and they do a free analysis that might be worth learning about your particular issue.

I would suggest you put your sales shield up if you pursue this. :B
Posted by: rosebud, Friday, November 12, 2010, 4:25pm; Reply: 62
AKArtlover:

SHOCKED!!!!  It would be remiss of me to say the thought and/or suggestion for "Hair Club for Women" was even a suggestion.  This is hair transplants!  They cut a huge section about 8-10 inches long of your scalp in the back of your head in order to get the follicles, and transplant them in your sparse areas.  It's just awful.

I'm sure it was just a thought, and I do appreciate your input, however. . . I thought this forum and everyone on here believes in addressing our health issues from a natural standpoint in trying to address it.  Whether it be in changing our diet, supplements and all around positive thinking.  Hair Club for Women is anything but what this site is about.   Shame of you.  I may as well get some Rogaine or buy wig!  More feasable thank spending $10,000 on hair transplants.

As we know and several members have posted, something is amiss in my body which needs to be addressed.  

We'll just ignore that suggestion; I know you meant well, but Ugh!
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, November 12, 2010, 4:28pm; Reply: 63
I refuse shame.
What I thought was interesting was that they could look at the issue closely and that it may help you understand as a diagnostic. That's all. That's why I said put your sales shield up.

See what happens when I post like a New Yorker? :)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, November 12, 2010, 6:04pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from grey rabbit

What kind of exercise are you getting? Is it "A" appropriate? I like this http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Y-Dan.xhtml, but it isn't the only exercise I get.


Y-Dan looks interesting.  I wish there were some clips of the different moves, but it appears to be similar to a type of Qigong.
Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:46pm; Reply: 65
My suggestion would be to find a doctor who will treat your hypothyroidism with desiccated thyroid, such as Westhroid.  The second thing I would do is take biotin 5000 to 8000 mcg a day for your hair.  Both these measures helped my hair immensely.  I thoroughly understand your frustration!
Posted by: rosebud, Friday, November 12, 2010, 9:24pm; Reply: 66
Dr. D:  I tried the link you suggested and actually tried to send an email with my dilemma, only for the email to not go through, and also tried calling a few, only for the number to be disconnected!  Ugh!  The frustration.

My scalp is screaming to be heard.  I will pray again tonight.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 12, 2010, 9:31pm; Reply: 67
guess you are on your own now....
so begin slowly applying the great advice given to you in this thread.

all have been very helpful and are concerned. :)
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, November 12, 2010, 10:51pm; Reply: 68
rosebud,
If you're interested in working with Dr. D'Adamo, check into the University of Bridgeport Health Sciences Center, Naturopathic Medical Clinic.  Dr. D is the supervisor.
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/UB_shift/

Several people from the Forum have gone there, and it's a good opportunity to get the appropriate medical testing and a truly individualized approach to helping each patient become healthier.  It is less expensive than going to Dr. D's personal clinic.

You could get in touch with them and see if they are accepting patients at this time.
Posted by: rosebud, Friday, November 12, 2010, 10:59pm; Reply: 69
Thank you Victoria!  I will try calling now, but they may already be closed.  If so, I will try tomorrow!

Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 12, 2010, 11:28pm; Reply: 70
you might just be better off calling on a monday and all through the week during work days :)
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 12:41am; Reply: 71
Something has developed!  Am I finally getting somewhere!

Having the day off work today I decided to look on the internet for some information regarding "eye twitching."  Just this last week for some reason my left eye has been twitching.  I've never experienced this before.  Well. . .

As I did some searching I discovered numerous sites which indicated eye twitching is caused by a lack of Vitamin 12, AND along with eye twitching one of the other symptoms are HAIR LOSS!!!!
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 12:46am; Reply: 72
Oops . . I posted before I was done.  Anyways, another symptom which goes along with a lack of B12 and eye twitching and hair loss is. . . Anemia!  My ferritin tested at only 12 last year!  As you said, the picture is starting to come together.

It was also indicated that people with low B12 also have stomach/digestion and absorption problems.  Just as Dr. D indicates as an A.  They recommend only a "Sub lingual B12 together with Folic Acid and Biotin which work all together.

NAP does not make a sublingal B12 as such.  Any good recommendations?  Along with this I plan on also taking some Biotin for the hair, I'm sure Iron as well.

I should also order a digestion enzyme along with the Secretor test.  What are you thoughts?
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 1:14am; Reply: 73
Quoted from rosebud
Oops . . I posted before I was done.  Anyways, another symptom which goes along with a lack of B12 and eye twitching and hair loss is. . . Anemia!  My ferritin tested at only 12 last year!  As you said, the picture is starting to come together.

It was also indicated that people with low B12 also have stomach/digestion and absorption problems.  Just as Dr. D indicates as an A.  They recommend only a "Sub lingual B12 together with Folic Acid and Biotin which work all together.

NAP does not make a sublingal B12 as such.  Any good recommendations?  Along with this I plan on also taking some Biotin for the hair, I'm sure Iron as well.

I should also order a digestion enzyme along with the Secretor test.  What are you thoughts?


Anemia usually means low iron, so iron-rich foods are in order.  Here is one site with some - you need to sort per BT, though...
http://www.healthcastle.com/iron.shtml

Ghee is great for assisting in gut healing.
Nutritional yeast has a mix of B vitamins.
Polyflora A is a very good probiotic for Type A.

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 1:14am; Reply: 74
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1228722203/s-0/#num0

Here is an old thread by you Rose might want to go over what we told you months ago.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 1:25am; Reply: 75
Dr D s B 12 is by far the best, so I d avoid other sources, no matter what
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 1:32am; Reply: 76
Quoted from rosebud
Oops . . I posted before I was done.  Anyways, another symptom which goes along with a lack of B12 and eye twitching and hair loss is. . . Anemia!  My ferritin tested at only 12 last year!  As you said, the picture is starting to come together.

It was also indicated that people with low B12 also have stomach/digestion and absorption problems.  Just as Dr. D indicates as an A.  They recommend only a "Sub lingual B12 together with Folic Acid and Biotin which work all together.

NAP does not make a sublingal B12 as such.  Any good recommendations?  Along with this I plan on also taking some Biotin for the hair, I'm sure Iron as well.

I should also order a digestion enzyme along with the Secretor test.  What are you thoughts?


My ferritin was 9 many years ago...I took B12 sublingual for years. 5 mg in fact. And even
then, I was pretty sure it wasn't being absorbed.  What I really love and I'm sure it's working is the NAP B12/folic...I take one in the AM with breakfast....one in the PM with dinner.
I sleep so well it's unbelievable...so it's working for balancing my circadian rhythm..  You can always take biotin by itself...but I really recommend the NAP B12 formula.

I'm also taking Iodoral....a minimum dosage.  My hands and feet are warm for the first time
in years.  Hair not falling out anymore...Lots of other strange symptoms went away too.

Iodine displaces bromide.  Bromide toxicity is a problem for people who might or might not
have a clear indication on a blood test of low thyroid, but clearly have low iodine.

I had loads of these symptoms.  Iodoral really helped.  I started with two pills per day...when
my body got warm enough, I dropped down to one. My body temperature is now 98.6  It
used to be below 97 most days.  I have experimented taking 1/2 a pill which is 6 mg but I
still seem to need one whole pill.

BTW, Iodoral is Lugol's solution in pill form.  Bought it online....Amazon, no prescription
necessary.

http://www.amazon.com/OPTIMOX-Iodoral-180-tabs/dp/B000X843VG/ref=sr_1_cc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289612457&sr=1-1-catcorr

Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are not be limited to:

eye lid twitching
foot twitching
tingling in hands or feet
dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)
depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)
anxiety
emotionality
mouth and tongue sores and cuts or "sore mouth"
"different" acne,"bromide acne," "acne-like eruptions" without "coniform." (Some iodine
users found zinc helps bromide acne.)
skin "cuts"
hair loss
brain fog
leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)
rash (bromaderma)
metallic  taste
sinus ache
runny nose
headache
sedation
lethargy
odd swallowing sensation (reported in old  medical literature as "swollen glottis")
body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)
unusual urine odor
dry mouth
ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)
diarrhea
constipation
vision changes
irritability
increased salivation
dream changes
hormone changes
kidney pain

The information above comes from this book by Dr. David Brownstein....http://www.amazon.com/Iodine-need-cant-live-without/dp/B001URN3UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289611540&sr=1-1

Research:
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 2:24am; Reply: 77
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1228722203/s-0/#num0

Here is an old thread by you Rose might want to go over what we told you months ago.


Great idea!  I read through the posts and there are some good ideas shared by some very caring and sincere people.  :)
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 2:26am; Reply: 78
Thanks Chloe!  I've got a question:

I'm confused -- The above symptoms you mentioned as Iodine symptoms were actually listed as lack of "B12" symptoms on numerous sites, i.e, eye twitching, burning tongue, etc.

So are these symptoms due to B12 deficiency or Iodine?  Both are different, right?
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 2:36am; Reply: 79
To Lola:

Are you sure about the Dr D's B12 being the best for me  I know Chloe couldn't take it:

Posted by Chloe:
I have gluten intolerance, and some patches of vitiligo on my lower arms and I have voted that I had many symptoms you listed. In fact, the week I started taking the NAP B12, my tongue got tingly and weird.....It hadn't happened when I was taking a sublingual B12 that was 5 mg.  I had to double up supplementation because the NAP formula was less mg than mine..

That is why I'm considering a SUBLINGUAL B12
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 8:45am; Reply: 80
read about the different B12 in the market, and decide for yourself if you wish to put cyanide into your system ;)
http://www.4yourtype.com/methylb12.asp

the choice is yours
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 12:54pm; Reply: 81
in the end I am glad you are sorting this out.. doing the Iodine test is easy and cheaper than all else and you can use it for years to come..

the iron 'test' is easy also .. eat some rich iron type foods and maybe buy on iron fry pan and things out to improve nearly over night..

sups for B12 ....once the gut gets healed on the left side in the large intestines bend then absorption will get better also..

EAT compliant SUPER and BENEFICIALS only for a while.. and double on foods that are rich in what you need.. look up all items the info is there to learn from..  8)
goldie
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 3:01pm; Reply: 82
Lola & Goldie:

Thanks.  I will do the Iodine & Iron test, and I also need my secretor test done.  I don't think by any means have I licked this thing, but maybe I've gotten a "little" closer.  The reason I say this is because as I have checked out some hair loss forums it appears others have tried supplementing with B12, Biotin, etc. and still have hair loss.  I'm sure I still need to address my THYROID.

I just checked in Dr. D's books and I did not see any protocol for the Thyroid?  I believe someone mention it's in his books????  Am I missing it?  Am I having a "brain fart?"  Happens a lot since menopause.   I want my hormones back!

Lola -- I most definitely WON'T even consider the cheaper form of B12 and will make certain to use Methylcobalamin as Dr. D.  However, I did find sublingual B12 along with Folic Acid made by DaVinci Labs for $11.53
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 3:33pm; Reply: 83
Let me see if I can explain this.  Ideally, it would be helpful to read Dr. Brownstein's book and understand the type of iodine testing that he speaks about.

What he explains in his book is this:  Bromide is a toxin...It's found in many baked goods.  You might
not be ingesting baked goods that contain bromide right now, but you might have in the past, as
we all have.  What bromide does is block iodine from being absorbed in your body.  You could
be eating high iodine foods but it takes two different types of iodine to displace the bromide.  One
is potassium iodine....the other iodine.

Easy to do your own testing by ordering kits.  http://www.hakalalabs.com/services
(although I didn't use this company -- just for your information)

So what I've listed is the symptoms of bromide toxicity....which if this is your problem, you're also
iodine deficient unless you're taking this combination form of iodine -- Iodoral, which I've previously
mentioned is the same as the liquid formula Lugol's solution.

I think it's best to have your iodine measured before you self treat.  Dr. Brownsteins book
shows you the type of test you need.  What's measured is how much iodine you excrete in
your urine.  Ideally, the more you excrete, what it shows is that you're not holding onto much.
And you want to take iodine and excrete very little which shows you're absorbing it and
bromide isn't blocking the absorption.

OK, I see you have quoted a prior post of mine...which I'd now have to update and say it would be a moot point because I'm doing very very well on Dr. D's B12 now.  A lot of things weren't
balanced in my body at the time....I believe my SWAMI diet has profoundly altered the health of my gut and I wasn't close to healing it when that I wrote that post.

I'm taking less B12 than I once did, but it's now being absorbed properly.  And following my SWAMI and helping to heal my gut might be why...
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 5:10pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Chloe
What I really love and I'm sure it's working is the NAP B12/folic...I take one in the AM with breakfast....one in the PM with dinner.
I sleep so well it's unbelievable...so it's working for balancing my circadian rhythm..  You can always take biotin by itself...but I really recommend the NAP B12 formula.

Sounds like a great recommendation for NAP B12 to me...  I also take the Methyl B12 Plus from NAP...
Quoted from Chloe
I'm also taking Iodoral....a minimum dosage.  My hands and feet are warm for the first time in years.  Hair not falling out anymore...Lots of other strange symptoms went away too.

Iodine displaces bromide.  Bromide toxicity is a problem for people who might or might not have a clear indication on a blood test of low thyroid, but clearly have low iodine.
My understanding is that flouride, chlorine, and bromine all effect the proper storage and usage of Iodine in the body.  I supplement with tincture of iodine patches on the skin and use both sodium and potassium iodide base...  I can definitely tell when I need more iodine, so I know it helps to do it...

Yes, B12 and iodine are different, but it can be a combination of several things contributing to the same symptoms that is causing your problems...  

Quoted Text
I just checked in Dr. D's books and I did not see any protocol for the Thyroid?  I believe someone mention it's in his books????  Am I missing it?

The ER4YT Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia, pages 421 through 430...
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 5:23pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from ABJoe


The ER4YT Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia, pages 421 through 430...

You can find the book ,here or at
Amazon
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 5:28pm; Reply: 86
Quoted from rosebud
Thanks Chloe!  I've got a question:

I'm confused -- The above symptoms you mentioned as Iodine symptoms were actually listed as lack of "B12" symptoms on numerous sites, i.e, eye twitching, burning tongue, etc.

So are these symptoms due to B12 deficiency or Iodine?  Both are different, right?


I had a B12 deficiency for many years and went for shots...(But when I did this I was eating
gluten grains, had chronic Lyme disease symptoms and my symptoms were indicative of a
B12 deficiency)  I also could have been deficient in iodine at the same time but it was never measured because my thyroid tests looked normal. Yet I had freezing hands and feet and a low
body temperature.

But I believe the symptoms I had that I called a B12 deficiency more recently were most likely
due to bromide (or another) toxicity and winding up having unabsorbed iodine.

The fact that I feel better overall is most likely 3 things:

1) following my SWAMI for over a year, healing my gut (also eating dairy, eggs, lamb and getting
    more food sources of B12 in my diet)

2) Finally I'm now absorbing the NAP B12 although it's not a sublingual and although it's got
    less mg. than the formula I was taking before.

3) Taking iodine and finally absorbing it

So whether I was accurately describing myself to be B12 deficient or maybe not knowing that I was really iodine deficient, I believe I no longer have either problem.
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 5:50pm; Reply: 87
Thanks Grey Rabbit!  

I have the Live Right 4 Your Type, Cook Right 4 Your Type, and the Menopausal book.  Wouldn't you know it, the one I need I don't have!

I ran to the book store and unfortunately they didn't have it but could order it.  

Grey Rabbit, can you possibly share the important protocol of the book and what Dr. D recommends.  

Chloe:   I found some info on this forum where someone indicated Dr. D doesn't suggest Iodine for treatment of Thyroid?
Posted by: rosebud, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 5:54pm; Reply: 88
Iodine:  -- Found it. Read below:

Dr. D’Adamo does not recommend iodine supplements, rather a diet rich in saltwater fish and kelp to help regulate the thyroid gland. Bladder Wrack is also an excellent nutrient for type O’s. This herb, actually a seaweed, is very effective as an aid to weight control for Type O’s. “The fucose in bladder wrack seems to help normalize the sluggish metabolic rate and produce weight loss in Type O’s,” says Dr. D’Adamo.

I wonder what his thoughts and suggestions are for Type A?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 6:21pm; Reply: 89
try only the iodine patch test for now

you need to clear your system first and get your gut ecosystem in balanced
before thinking of supplementing
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 6:33pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from rosebud
Thanks Grey Rabbit!  

Grey Rabbit, can you possibly share the important protocol of the book and what Dr. D recommends.  



Dr.D recommends the Metabolic Enhancement Protocol and the Detoxification Protocol both of which can be found here.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, November 13, 2010, 7:10pm; Reply: 91
Quoted from rosebud
Iodine:  -- Found it. Read below:

Dr. D’Adamo does not recommend iodine supplements, rather a diet rich in saltwater fish and kelp to help regulate the thyroid gland. Bladder Wrack is also an excellent nutrient for type O’s. This herb, actually a seaweed, is very effective as an aid to weight control for Type O’s. “The fucose in bladder wrack seems to help normalize the sluggish metabolic rate and produce weight loss in Type O’s,” says Dr. D’Adamo.

I wonder what his thoughts and suggestions are for Type A?


Kelp is a toxin on my SWAMI as is kombu, nori and bladderwrack..I think in time I will probably rely on various beneficial seaweeds to keep me in balance but I just knew Iodoral was the supplement I needed to raise my iodine levels to a healthier level.  My benes are sea cucumber, irish Moss and wakame but all gave me acne.. so I think each person has to decide for themselves when to go outside of the box and do what they feel is right for them... I've spent a lot of years trying to get my body temperature up to normal.  I was just sharing what worked for me.  And my hair stopped falling out.  I play by the rules 99% of the time...but sometimes I just make my own decisions because I feel that strongly that i'm right...And so when my body
temperature reached 98.6 after a few months on Iodoral and I stopped shivering all the time, I knew I made the right decision.

This is from the Second Opinion Newsletter by Dr. Robert Rowen --regarding iodine supplementation.

October, 2004, Issue:

It is possible that Iodine deficiency could cause breast or prostate cancer, as well as be responsible for fatigue, chronic illness, or many other ailments.

"During the 19th century, iodine was considered the universal treatment: “If nothing else works, try iodine” was the adage. Considering the broad range of symptoms of thyroid deficiency (fatigue, hypertension, depression, hair loss, hoarseness, dry skin, constipation, cold intolerance, concentration difficulties, muscle cramps, menstrual problems, poor memory, inability to concentrate, weight gain, nervousness, infertility, irritability, bone thinning, just to name a few), no wonder it was promoted as the universal treatment..."

Cretinism — a cause of deafness and mental impairment of children — is caused by an iodine deficiency during pregnancy!!

"Iodine should be stored in your fat tissues, liver, heart, salivary glands, stomach cells, parts of the eye that deal with aqueous fluid and intraocular pressure, and even in specific brain cells that are related to Parkinson’s disease."

WHAT??? My mother's companion died of Parkinson's. Michael Fox, that darling man, has it too. There is evidence now that a simple iodine deficiency is part of the problem. It's too late for Ed. Has anyone told Michael?

"The second largest concentration of iodine in the female body is in the breasts. To give you an idea of how much iodine your body needs, the breasts must have 100 times as much iodine in the blood to have their fill as does the thyroid! The same is true for the other endocrine glands, the prostate, stomach, and white blood cells."

"Many of us integrative physicians have used iodine for decades to completely quell all symptoms of fibrocystic breast disease and menstrual-associated breast pain."

"Iodine deficiency could also be the cause of your fatigue, chronic illness, immune defects, and lack of stomach acid."

November, 2004, Issue

"Fatigue — An underactive thyroid typically causes fatigue. Iodine supplementation can quickly activate the thyroid and relieve fatigue. Dr Abraham reports iodine deficiency may harm pituitary-adrenal function in rodents. Your adrenal is essential for energy and stamina."
...
"Thyroid disease — When there’s not enough iodine to bind with cell membranes, it allows enzymes called peroxidases (which can damage those membranes) to wreak havoc and cause autoimmune disease, such as thyroiditis (Hashimoto’s or Grave’s)."
...
"While iodine will help the thyroid increase the production of hormone where necessary, it also inhibits over-release from the gland by giving thyroid enzymes what they want. These iodine-seeking enzymes that attack thyroid membranes can be normalized when they get the iodine they need. This old information is terrific news for the many people (usually women) who have been told to have their thyroid removed to end hyperthyroidism. These draconian measures ensure the patient will have to rely on prescriptive thyroid hormone for the rest of their life. But iodine can completely solve the problem."

"Poor digestion — many organs need iodine, but can’t absorb it until the blood measurements reach very high levels. The stomach and salivary glands are two such organs, but they can’t uptake iodine in any significant amounts until the blood level reaches 100 times what the thyroid needs. Most people do not produce enough stomach acid as they grow older. I firmly believe low gastric acidity can be caused by iodine deficiency, as iodine promotes stomach acidity!"
...
"Breast, ovarian, and skin cysts — In addition to fixing almost all cases of breast cysts, iodine also has a remarkable healing effect on ovarian cysts, and even on skin cysts. (For the latter, I recommend rubbing in iodine right over the cyst.)"
...
"Dementia and glaucoma — Iodine is found in large amounts in the brain (including the parts of the brain associated with Parkinson’s disease) and the ciliary body of the eye, a possible factor in glaucoma."

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:29pm; Reply: 92
Wonder if Rose is gone for now?
:)
Posted by: rosebud, Friday, November 19, 2010, 1:13am; Reply: 93
Nope, Rose is not gone and still here.  I've just been working long hours.

Plus, with the loss of my job last year and in taking this new position, due to a $5 an hour decrease in my salary I had to take some measures to save my home.  

In order to make my mortgage payments I had to bring in a tenant to rent a section of my home which allows me to keep my home and continue to make the mortgage payments.  So I've been pretty busy in prepping the house and helping the tenant move in.

It's been an "adjustment" for lack of a better word, having literally a stranger in your home, but a girl's gotta do what she's gotta do.  No wonder I'm losing my hair.  Just kidding.  I wish it was that simple.

Note to myself:  don't look at those smilies' faces as it scares me to think my scalp will look like that soon!
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, November 19, 2010, 2:28am; Reply: 94
Quoted from Chloe
My mother's companion died of Parkinson's. Michael Fox, that darling man, has it too. There is evidence now that a simple iodine deficiency is part of the problem. It's too late for Ed. Has anyone told Michael?

I read, at one time, that most of Michael Fox's problem was a Diet Pepsi addiction... ::)  I can't remember where or how long ago I read that, but thar ya go...  That is not to say that additional iodine wouldn't help him, though...
Posted by: JJR, Friday, November 19, 2010, 2:39am; Reply: 95
I don't know if it was you I spoke with a while back, but my Doctor at http://www.elementalsliving.com is a very good one.  They can get you balanced out and see if you need b12.  Which is probably the case if you're not eating much meat or animal protein.  

b12 helps you methylate.  Which helps all kinds of functions that I don't know how to explain.  If you're low in it, it's not good.  

If you get you're a non secretor, you should be eating more meat.  Hopefully you're eating turkey and chicken.  Although if your not digesting well, that will cause you to be anemic.  I have all these problems also, but my hair isn't falling out, I'm just getting smaller and smaller.  

But Dr. Hicks and Beth are great people and I'm sure can help a great deal.  They have helped my whole family TONS.  Even though I'm still struggling and going to Mayo next week.  But I believe the things they have given me and things they have figured out have been HUGE in my journey to health.  I know they're not covered by insurance, but I'm not sure an ND would be either.  

I hope you get it sorted out!
Posted by: Whimsical, Friday, November 19, 2010, 3:15am; Reply: 96
Quoted from ABJoe

I read, at one time, that most of Michael Fox's problem was a Diet Pepsi addiction... ::)  I can't remember where or how long ago I read that, but thar ya go...  That is not to say that additional iodine wouldn't help him, though...


It seems more likely that a major contributing factor to Michael J Fox's development of Parkinson's at such a young age was massive and excessive cocaine use (among other drugs and alcohol).  Cocaine is a dopamine release drug and Parkinson's is a deficiency in dopamine as produced by the substatia nigra in the brain...
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 19, 2010, 3:22am; Reply: 97
heard someone mention that a cocaine sniff, equals a brain infraction seen through a scan.....
only someone totally alien or separated from themselves and their souls would want to experience that, every time!!!!

no self love or respect what so ever!!! :-/
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