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Posted by: cowgirl1988, Friday, November 5, 2010, 9:49pm
Since I was a teenager, I've had many digestive problems, which lead to other issues like lethargy, mood swings, weight gain etc...after visiting various drs and naturopaths, wasting thousands of $$$, was finally diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome at 21yo. As I've always been lactose intolerant, I figured other food intolerances may be contributing to the problems, so for a 21st bday present, my parents organised a blood test through a company in Germany - ImuPro 300. This test concluded that I was intolerant to atleast 42 different foods; ranging from all dairy, eggs, carrots, honey-dew melon, garlic, all nuts etc  

I began following the BTD approx 2 years ago, and have now started following the GT diet for maybe 3 months. I have started to feel a little better...but still have problems with energy, digestive system, bowel movements, unhealthy looking skin/hair/nails, weight fluctuations, sore/tired/aching muscles, amongst other symptoms. My system still does not seem to cope with the foods that the ImuPro test concluded I was intolerant to, especially at stressful times. Through trial and error, have concluded that high GI foods do no justice for the system, contributing to lethargy & weight gain. One could say my diet is extremely restricted, and yeah, I've adapted but I hate it!!!! Oh, and drinking atleast 1 gallon of water daily as Im always feeling dehydrated. I train horses for a living so my job is quite physical - always on the look out for energising produce/products.

I had the D'Adamo instutute contact me as I would love nothing more than to have a consultation with one of their drs, but unfortunately at the moment I honestly cannot afford it. If any one has any sort of information/comments/advice...your input would be forever appreciated. I do not seek sympathy by writing all of this, only answers for this "inconvenient" illness!

Thanks heaps for taking the time to read this  :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, November 5, 2010, 9:53pm; Reply: 1
What GT are you? What are you eating? Have you looked at using any of Dr. D'Adamo's products?
Many are designed for digestive health.


It is always about what you do eat and not about what you don't eat."

So what are you eating...
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 5, 2010, 9:55pm; Reply: 2
Dr D s systems are completely self helping guidelines, that take you by the hand and get you well.

from what I read, if you ve been following the guidelines for two years already and have had no results so far, might you not just happen to be a non secretor?

would your GT change if that were the case?

or would something you ve been eating be an avoid in the BTD?

you really need to tweak your diet to make it work for you.

try getting a copy of the fatigue book on ebay or local library and target yet more of your food choices using the nonnie values
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:02pm; Reply: 3
Says secretor on her shield :-/.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:05pm; Reply: 4
it said secretor in my shield too, until I took the plunge..... ;)
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:29pm; Reply: 5
Ive taken all the tests, and they concluded Im a secretor, Nomad. Do you think my system needs more time on this diet to show more signs of the healing process? I always make sure I am strict with the diet, not consuming any processed products except for jam-which must only have grape juice and fruit pectin as secondary ingredients. if Im unsure of something I may or may not be allowed to consume, I will not eat it!! Even meats are purchased straight from the deli, not pre-packaged (Ive noticed in USA they use preservatives in pre-packaged meats) its very hard finding fish in Iowa too

I guess my diet consists mainly of; beef, turkey, lamb, atlantic salmon, catfish, scallops, sardines, cod, olive oil, flax, ginger, basil, parsley, chili flakes, paprika, sea salt, komboocha tea, green tea, peppermint tea, rice protein, brown rice, raw sugar, molasses, sweet potato, broccoli, lettuce, kale, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, beets, beet greens, onions, spinach, capsicum(peppers) pears, apples, prunes, pineapple, cranberry juice, bananas, blueberrys...thats all I can think of off the top of my head...

Do you think maybe the system needs more time on the diet to get rid of toxins before it starts showing healthy signs??

I have looked into Dr Ds supplements, but again, $$ is an issue  :(
Posted by: Curious, Friday, November 5, 2010, 11:17pm; Reply: 6
I would try and find a good naturopath in the area you live. This naturopath should specialise in digestive health and chronic or adrenal fatigue. I suffered from adrenal fatigue and - with the help of my naturpath - I am 95 % ok now. It took about one year. The first thing we did was dealing with digestion. She gave me different herbs to clean out the system, then different herbs and probiotics to get healthy microorganisms into me. I also dealt with stress by reducing my workload.
I think for things like chronic fatigue you need to see someone on a one-on-one basis. Talking with people on the internet can certainly support it (and this forum is fantastic), but - if it was me - I would want a very personalised approach. In terms of money, it does not need to cost that much and it will pay back big time if you feel good.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, November 5, 2010, 11:22pm; Reply: 7
I'll be back later to chat because I'm also a Nomad who deals with severe fatigue issues.  :)

Just briefly, I think you need to ditch the sugar!  Also bananas and capsicum.

When dealing with a chronic condition, it's all about the diamonds and superfoods.  You aren't stable enough in your health to be eating any black dots at this time.  Just self-defeating. ;)
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 1:03am; Reply: 8
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This test concluded that I was intolerant to atleast 42 different foods; ranging from all dairy, eggs, carrots, honey-dew melon, garlic, all nuts etc


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Dr D
Exclusionary type testing is nice, but almost nobody gets any healthier, although they do sometimes get less sick.

The nutritional frontier is to decipher what people should eat, in addition to what they should avoid; and that is usually not the foods left over after allergy/ reaction testing.

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive5/config.pl?read=15141
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 9
It appears that you are not eating any gluten-containing grains..  Is that correct?  If so, I think that's a good idea.  

So some of the things that have been helping me:

Time --- and sticking with the BTD for 10 years and the genotype diet for almost 3 years, consistently.

Gluten-free

Daily use of homemade ghee.

No other cow dairy.  I buy unpasturized and non-homogenized fresh goat's milk and make my own yogurt. A little bit of sheep cheese a couple of times a week (manchego).

I used to be salt-free.  Now I use Himalayan Crystal salt (or another high quality sea salt).  

There are some supplements that have helped, but I won't get into that since you said it's out of the question financially.  I understand that.  :)

Developing a regular schedule for meals and bedtime;  getting in bed by 10:30 pm and staying in bed for 9 hours.

Eating no toxins or black dots.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 7:49am; Reply: 10
http://ndsfornys.com/blogs/blog/2010/11/04/toxic-chemicals-common-in-body/
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 12:31pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from cowgirl1988
Ive taken all the tests, and they concluded Im a secretor, Nomad. Do you think my system needs more time on this diet to show more signs of the healing process? I always make sure I am strict with the diet, not consuming any processed products except for jam-which must only have grape juice and fruit pectin as secondary ingredients. if Im unsure of something I may or may not be allowed to consume, I will not eat it!! Even meats are purchased straight from the deli, not pre-packaged (Ive noticed in USA they use preservatives in pre-packaged meats) its very hard finding fish in Iowa too

I guess my diet consists mainly of; beef, turkey, lamb, atlantic salmon, catfish, scallops, sardines, cod, olive oil, flax, ginger, basil, parsley, chili flakes, paprika, sea salt, komboocha tea, green tea, peppermint tea, rice protein, brown rice, raw sugar, molasses, sweet potato, broccoli, lettuce, kale, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, beets, beet greens, onions, spinach, capsicum(peppers) pears, apples, prunes, pineapple, cranberry juice, bananas, blueberrys...thats all I can think of off the top of my head...

Do you think maybe the system needs more time on the diet to get rid of toxins before it starts showing healthy signs??

I have looked into Dr Ds supplements, but again, $$ is an issue  :(


Deli meats? here in the US they are filled with nasty avoids... so check the labels they may be making your GI tract unhealthy.

The focus needs to be on your intestinal tract. The cheese on your list of foods is very important they contain butyrate which is the preferred food of the healthy colon bacteria. Ghee is another good source.
B's have the most bacteria in the GI tract.. the biome... is a very important place.


Posted by: cowgirl1988, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 1:59pm; Reply: 12
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Just briefly, I think you need to ditch the sugar!  Also bananas and capsicum.

When dealing with a chronic condition, it's all about the diamonds and superfoods.  You aren't stable enough in your health to be eating any black dots at this time.  Just self-defeating. ;)


I understand bananas have a black dot in the GT Diet program, but when I did the Swami Diet plan, it said bananas are beneficial...so I've gone back to eating those and it seems to be ok. And yes you're 100% right about the sugar!

[quote] Daily use of homemade ghee.

No other cow dairy.  I buy unpasturized and non-homogenized fresh goat's milk and make my own yogurt. A little bit of sheep cheese a couple of times a week (manchego). [quote/]

How does one make ghee? I understand making milk into yoghurt gives it different properties, but Im not sure Nomads are allowed any kind of milk unless its rice?? I suppose it would be ok if I only consumed the yoghurt?

Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:55pm; Reply: 13
I didn't know you had done the Swami.  You should follow that.  What does your swami give you as far as dairy?  For the genotype Nomad diet, Yogurt is a superfood.

To make ghee.
Put butter in a heavy bottomed pot with high enough sides so it won't splatter.
Melt butter and reduce heat to between simmer and low.
Cook gently until the ghee noises become less and the sediment on the bottom of the pot turns golden (tilt the pot to see).  
Remove from heat immediately.
Let cool a few minutes and strain into a glass or ceramic jar or bowl.  I use a very fine stainless steel strainer.  Discard all the sediment.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 2:57pm; Reply: 14
Ok, if you can't buy the supplements you need to think about  what foods give you the same healing properties.

Cheese on your list? It contains butyrate.. do a search and see what I mean...


B's have way more bacteria in the intestinal tract then the other Blood Types. Did I just repeat myself? :) yes and for good reason ;).


Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 7:08pm; Reply: 15
PIctures of the process using stovetop method:

http://tinyurl.com/9e7zsc
  
http://gallery.me.com/lifes.adventure#100159
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 7:45pm; Reply: 16
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I didn't know you had done the Swami.


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http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1219018887/s-/s-new/#num1

this fact alone helps us help you better :)

write down what GT you actually are.......that might help as well
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 3:45am; Reply: 17
What other blood work did you have done?  Have you been screened for adrenal or thyroid problems?  Maybe you need supplements to support those glands?  And sleep from 10pm to 8am.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 4:46pm; Reply: 18
As someone who had a diagnosis of chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia decades ago, and someone who had allergy testing too -- which showed me to be highly reactive to dairy, wheat, gluten, eggs and many other foods, I followed the BTD for A since I'm 47.  It was a good diet, but I felt I still had food allergies and still I often felt tired.  Achy body never seemed to improve.

THE diet that turned me around was my SWAMI diet.  When I began, I had tons of white lines on my
fingers.  Most of my fingerprints were worn down to where they couldn't be read.  I still have two
I can't read. But I've gotten rid of much of my chronic fatigue.

I'm following my SWAMI for 15 months.  At first, I had issues eating many beneficial foods on my
SWAMI list because they were my old allergy foods.  I have managed to rotate dairy and eggs into
my diet now....The gluten I still avoid.  I'm celiac.  My gut is a lot better.  No more gas and bloat,
but I don't mix carbs with protein foods and spend a lot of time chewing my food carefully. I drink
water away from foods, not with. My exercise is just enough...I don't push myself to the point of
exhaustion.  I meditate...stretch when I wake up...remind myself to breathe properly and don't
eat any sugar or processed foods.  Most of my food is organic but I still think that's not the most
important thing I've done.

I mentioned this before on the FS thread...I follow a ritualistic pattern....Like Victoria mentioned,
I get the same amount of sleep every night....8-9 hours...go to bed the same time (no later than
10:30)  and wake up the same time every morning.  Eat breakfast early so I can make sure I allow 3 hours between all meals and never allow my blood sugar to fluctuate.  I"ve focussed mostly on my gut.  Took Deflect for a year...4 pills. Ate lots of ghee....

SWAMI took me quite awhile before I felt it was really really helping me.  Longer than the 3 month wash out period.. probably closer to a year, but I've been about 95% compliant for the past 9 months.  And maybe 85% compliant prior to that.  I feel it's about incorporating as much of the diamond foods into my meals as possible...rotating food choices....getting the proper fats
and eating plenty of vegetables.

I would have said I had adrenal issues in the past...easily stressed out....jumpy if people were
yelling or making me feel upset. Shallow breathing which will surely make a person feel tired. I fead a few books on proper breathing....found youtube videos to help me.   Have figured out ways to tune out irritating people in my life..reminding myself it's not about me...it's about others who can't manage their behavior.

There is more to battling chronic fatigue than a diet. It's a lifestyle change.  It's learning to say "no" when you're pushing yourself too far....learning to do good things for yourself....take
a nice walk alone...stopping to breathe deeply...reprograming thoughts with positive
affirmations. Belief in oneself to challenge any diagnosis and know you can overcome the
obstacles.  A lot of this is mind work....I realized that when I joined a meditation group and
saw my ability to calm my body once my mind became still.

You can do it. I'm way older than you and I've done it....Hate to sound so Pollyana here but I
need for you to believe you aren't sick or permanently stuck with chronic fatigue.....A diagnosis can't become a dead end.  You can be part of your healing process, emotionally, physically but
you need a strong resolve and the mental fortitude to stick with it and remind yourself when
you've had a good day. Keep the good days in your mind...expect a few setbacks but keep on
going.

PS.  Try if you can to get your vitamin D level tested. Sometimes that makes a big difference.  When my D
level got to normal, I felt a lot better.


Posted by: Lola, Sunday, November 7, 2010, 7:26pm; Reply: 19
and don t forget Mike s vitamin L, for free up at the Canada store ;)
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:02pm; Reply: 20
wow....Chloe that is truly inspirational...this may sound strange but Im going to print that off and keep it with me! Although we dont even know each other, I feel close in that we can relate with a lot of what you wrote. I shall continue to move forward each day because after the CFS diagnosis, after I stopped feeling sorry for myself, I keep saying this will not beat me or bring me down...hopefully one day in the not to distant future, pray this body won't feel any part of CFS left..

Thank all of you so much for your input, it's great that we can connect on an such a level that some may not understand...I will be putting your wisdom into action!!

:)  :K)  ;D
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:04pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from SquarePeg
What other blood work did you have done?  Have you been screened for adrenal or thyroid problems?  Maybe you need supplements to support those glands?  And sleep from 10pm to 8am.


I literally have been tested for pretty much everything...the only thing that came up was abnormal Creatine Kinase levels - which basically means my muscles dont repair themselves properly after the tissue tears during exercise

Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 1:58am; Reply: 22
Quoted from cowgirl1988
wow....Chloe that is truly inspirational...this may sound strange but Im going to print that off and keep it with me! Although we dont even know each other, I feel close in that we can relate with a lot of what you wrote. I shall continue to move forward each day because after the CFS diagnosis, after I stopped feeling sorry for myself, I keep saying this will not beat me or bring me down...hopefully one day in the not to distant future, pray this body won't feel any part of CFS left..

Thank all of you so much for your input, it's great that we can connect on an such a level that some may not understand...I will be putting your wisdom into action!!

:)  :K)  ;D

You sound like you have a very positive attitude...That, I believe is part of the solution!  I wish you the very best of health and know you will find it if you stay on your path..:)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 8:39am; Reply: 23
here CG,
read about NO and Bs
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP013
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:21pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Lola


Thank you, I may give this one a go. I remember reading somewhere how important NO is for our body's...I believe it was in the GT book of Dr Ds?

Feeling really horrible today...actually the past 3 days have been real bad. I re-read my Swami Diet & found that Im supposed to be avoiding Soy lecithin (which is in the chocolate I've been eating ahh!!)
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:38pm; Reply: 25
Hey, Cowgirl, I just wanted to encourage you to keep searching and keep experimenting.  I have chronic fatigue too, and although it's better with the diet, it's still there.

My husband is a B with energy issues (swings from one extreme to the other) and he came across a book a couple of years ago which literally revolutionized both our lives.  It was about energy management.  I don't remember what it was called, but it was about managing energy rather than managing time.  So many people harp on the idea of "managing time" and "using time wisely", but for those of us with very limited or intermittent energy, that simply doesn't work.  This book is about ignoring the old clock and working when you have the energy----using that energy wisely to do what needs to be done (without overdoing it so you're too tired to do anything at all).  And when you don't have the energy?  Rest!  Sleep!  And recover, knowing that energy will return eventually.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:19pm; Reply: 26
Good post, Ribbit!  :)
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:05pm; Reply: 27
Thank you for that, Ribbit. Every story or idea that pops up is a step forward along this long road so I appreciate reading all these. Thats a very interesting way of thinking, sitting here thinking about that; it makes a lot of sense. Its a shame you can't remember the name of the book as I sure would be keen to read it.

I do feel my biggest problem is as Im over here in USA working for other people; who do not understand this condition - not that it's their fault of course, I just havent taken the time to explain that to them, I put a lot of mental pressure on my body to get all these horses ridden each day as I dont want to come across as lazy...even though laziness has nothing to do with it. Then of course I stress myself out wondering what they're thinking if I take 2hrs for lunch! It makes me wonder why I bother working with horses, as it's so physical...but I will never give it up, and will never give up pushing through this pain in the expletive deleted fatigued body!
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:08pm; Reply: 28
Ribbit may I ask for how long have you had CFS? And how long did it take you to get mostly ontop of it?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:11pm; Reply: 29
Slowly you will figure it out. Feel better :K)
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:51pm; Reply: 30
CG,
All I can add to the discussion is that I am dealing with this just like the others here...  I have had energy issues since high school, had to take naps during college to have a chance at surviving.  Found BTD in about 2000, but went AWOL for about 3 years, so have been eating per BTD from about 2003, then book GTD since it came out.  I am doing so much detox and healing that I haven't gotten SWAMI...  I can really tell if I don't get enough superfoods in my diet.  Something else has to take their place, but even too many neutral foods cause me to have more pain because the healing is slowed down.  

As others have stated, it is about the digestion and elimination, so that has been my focus for about a year and a half.  I took Deflect, Polyflora AB, Hepatiguard, Nitricycle, Genoma Security, and Catechol as needed - but about 4 months ago really reduced them, and recently have stopped almost all of the supplements.  I'm not sure if it is some reaction to the recent bout of flu I had, or whether I have reached a new plateau...

I still have significant pain and fluctuating energy levels, but part of detox is dealing with the junk deposits and any bacteria or virus activity that can hide in the junk stores.  Every junk deposit that I get rid of is that much closer to good health...  I still have lots to clean out, so onward and upward!

Another part of the healing process is cleaning up old injuries that haven't healed properly.  For the last 2 years, I have been healing part of the cranium and the spinal column from a 8 to 10 foot fall where I landed on my head at about age 7.  I can't tell you how much discomfort this has caused, or how much longer it will take to complete, but I know that I never expected healing at this deep level.  I didn't even realize that there was still damage from this until I started feeling pain along the cranium joints and the bones started to fill in this "trench" across the top of my head.  The depression has filled in about 1/2 way, so there is still some to do...

I hope some of this helps more than it scares you...LOL!   ;)  Much success with your healing.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 1:08am; Reply: 31
I didn't read the book, it was something my husband came across, but if it's still in a box in the basement, I will one day rediscover it.

I've had fatigue since I can remember. I suppose there was a time I felt normal, but it would have been in kindergarten and early elementary school.  I was diagnosed when I finally dragged myself to an alternative doctor at the age of 20.  No medical doctor had any explanation.  "You're too young to feel like this.  Get more exercise."(scared)

It was only in July that I finally got a diagnosis of Lyme disease and I now believe this to be the basis of nearly every health issue I've ever had.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 2:28am; Reply: 32
Fatigue is one of the Nomad weaknesses, so you aren't alone, cowgirl.

I've gotten a good perspective by reading a couple of sources on adrenal fatigue and being especially diligent regarding the "getting enough rest and sleep" part.  I don't think you will help yourself in this problem by pushing through the exhaustion.  I know you need to work at your job, just try and provide yourself the best conditions to get enough sleep.  Also, I've really benefited from lying down at the end of my work day, flat on my back with no head pillow, and putting my legs up at an angle /.  I use a huge, overstuffed pillow to support my legs, from the heels to my hips.  20 minutes of utter relaxation does wonders to get me recharged for the rest of my evening.

I've benefited a lot from Dr. D'Adamo's book on Fatigue.  Even though I follow the Nomad diet, I use supplements from the Fatigue book.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED067S

and, good information at this site, plus a book worth reading: http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/about-adrenal-fatigue.html
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 4:29pm; Reply: 33
I have fibromyalgia, which is very similar to CFS. The main difference is that fibro includes all-over body pain, but I always found the fatigue to be much more debilitating than the pain ever was. I can funtion with an achey body. I can't function if I'm too tired to move.

I've found a few things that really helped me feel better. First and most important is recognizing and respecting my limits. This was probably the hardest to learn how to do, but the most important. I don't agree to do things that I may not be able to do, and I pace myself with what I do accomplish. As I feel better and have more energy, I need to constantly re-evaluate my limits- it's so easy to over-do things again and suffer a relapse!


The second thing I've done is to recognize and avoid my triggers. SWAMI was a great tool in identifying food triggers- I figured out two on my own (gluten and dairy) and SWAMI really helped me fine-tune things a LOT. But even SWAMI isnt' perfect, and I need to apply common sense to the SWAMI food recomendations. There are also non-food triggers: the weather, an extra-busy day schlepping around with the kids, exposure to environmental toxins such as the town mosquito spraying or walking past purfume displays in the mall.

And sometimes I have a bad day for no apparent reason. Maybe I'm reacting to toxins that had been stored in body fat but are now mobilized on their way out of my body. Maybe I over-did things in my newfound energy. Maybe I was exposed to something in the air I'm not aware of. But I need to listen to my body and rest when I need to, even if I can't figure out why.

I've been on SWAMI for about 6 months, after being on BTD for over a year, and I'm still healing. You've only been on SWAMI for 3 months. While that's long enough for healing to begin, it's not long enough to completely heal from a lifelong condition. Supplements would probably speed up healing- if you can't afford them, then healing will simply take longer. It's still hapening, but at a slower pace.

Be patient with yourself. And try not to get too jealous of those "I've been on  BTD for 2 weeks and I feel great!!!!" testimonials.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 10:39pm; Reply: 34
I had an ND explain to me once the difference between CF and FMS.  He said if you have CF, the fatigue overwhelms the pain and you can sleep.  If you have FMS, the pain overwhelms the fatigue and sometimes you hurt too bad to sleep.
Posted by: angel, Friday, November 19, 2010, 4:03am; Reply: 35
I have CFS but also something of and oxymoron called Benign Joint hyper Mobility Syndrome (BJHS)-Meaning I am quite flexible even for my age, but as I get older it starts to hurt more. I am tired all of the time and I hurt as well. It does cause issues sleeping for me. I am still working throght it. I ahve found yes I must exercise regardless of how I feel at least three times a week with weights and then I am also working from 2 times a week up to 6+ times a week to walking or stationary bike. My combo may also be aggravated by Candida which probably has been around 15+ years. I am a Gulf War Veteran. The timing is right for what the doctor guestimates. So life will go on from there. Good luck. Keep Moving. Eat right. Things will work out right eventually.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, November 19, 2010, 4:17am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Ribbit
I had an ND explain to me once the difference between CF and FMS.  He said if you have CF, the fatigue overwhelms the pain and you can sleep.  If you have FMS, the pain overwhelms the fatigue and sometimes you hurt too bad to sleep.

With this definition, I alternate between the two...  
Posted by: trish44, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 12:06pm; Reply: 37
Also, for what it is worth, get your vit D level checked.  I would have sworn that I had CFS until I began taking it.  At 2000 mg of d3 I got it up to 35, and felt human again.  Now I am taking 5000 for 60 days and then back down to 2000.  Will know next week what my level is now.  It is worth a try!!!
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, November 21, 2010, 3:53pm; Reply: 38
low dosed olive leafs seem to do the trick as well... have an eye onto the beautiful descriptions of all those herbs please: http://www.herbwisdom.com

amazing how different infos can be... some claim hey ther's n o t h i n g to be seen as backgroundinfos and then they popp in with biggest lists of clinicaL researches... great to know that we always have to be careful... *be sceptical and learn to listen* ;)

                                            :K)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:20pm; Reply: 39
Thank you for that link, Isa.  nice site.  ;)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, November 21, 2010, 8:24pm; Reply: 40
half of mine...ya always welcome... :D ;D
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 9:49pm; Reply: 41
Well it's been a while since I've had a chance to get on  here, so I havent got to read the last few posts as I dont have much time! Thank you all again for your input. Ive started a new job in Texas, still working with horses. Theres a big show on at the moment so we have been starting work at random hours each day, from 2.30am, 7am and pretty much non-stop all day! Its crazy but surprisingly my body is beginning to cope with it quite well and am getting much fitter. I try to continuously eat during the day when i can. Have worked out there were a few things I wasn't checking closely enough that I wasn't meant to be consuming...so was quite sick for a little while, also have worked out that my body doesnt deal with any dairy what-so-ever.

Also, from the other blood food intolerance tests I had done....well I've been eating all those foods I was supposedly intolerant to and had no side affects yay!!! Hopefully things keep improving from here! Thank you all so much for your support  ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 1:47am; Reply: 42
Congratulations on your new job, and I hope it goes very well for you!  :)

I don't remember if you said this in an earlier post, but have you tried eating ghee?
Posted by: 10980 (Guest), Friday, December 3, 2010, 10:59pm; Reply: 43
Okay, I have to share something that I just found.  A retired chiropractor gave a small bit if information on Sea Salt and Adrenal Fatigue.  In short it says to mix either 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon of Sea Salt, not refined salt, with water till disolved or to put the small amount on your tonque to let disolve.  Do this when you wake up.  It says you can also do this again later in the day.  My blood tests show my adrenals to be weak and this sea salt must be magical for me because I have consistently had more energy consistantly for a week now.  Hope this suggestion is okay to put out.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, December 4, 2010, 1:03am; Reply: 44
Quoted from Ribbit

It was only in July that I finally got a diagnosis of Lyme disease and I now believe this to be the basis of nearly every health issue I've ever had.


Talk to Chloe. She had Lymes as well. I believe she cured herself naturally. I don't sense any Lymes. It's a bacteria, your body can kill it.  :)
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, December 4, 2010, 6:15pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from ABJoe

With this definition, I alternate between the two...  


Yeah, me too!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, December 4, 2010, 8:04pm; Reply: 46
Sun0605,
I have been adding sea salt to my bottle of water for years!!!
so good! :)
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Monday, December 6, 2010, 11:44pm; Reply: 47
Victoria, I have tried ghee but I dare say I was probably eating foods I was meant to be avoiding at the same time so I wouldnt know how or if it affected me. I have recently been sticking strictly to the diet and have tried eating very small amounts of butter and cheese but my body doesn't cope with them at all....so Im a little worried about consuming ghee again too.....what do you think?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 12:27am; Reply: 48
compliance and determination might heal your reaction to certain foods, specially if those are in your beneficial list.....

Dr D has written an allergies book
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED062S
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 1:44am; Reply: 49
Quoted from cowgirl1988
Victoria, I have tried ghee but I dare say I was probably eating foods I was meant to be avoiding at the same time so I wouldnt know how or if it affected me. I have recently been sticking strictly to the diet and have tried eating very small amounts of butter and cheese but my body doesn't cope with them at all....so Im a little worried about consuming ghee again too.....what do you think?


I think ghee is a lot better for us than butter.  Some people do very well with butter, but I'm a type B who has to use discrimination when it comes to dairy products.

Ghee is like liquid gold to my body.  That doesn't mean that I overeat it.  1 rounded tsp/day is what I eat, along with a few other kinds of superfood fats.  I'm careful to stay moderate with my fats intake, but still get an assortment fats, such as extra virgin olive oil and fresh wild salmon.  I think of ghee as one of my staples, and yes, it's important to eat it with foods that are compliant.

When dealing with a chronic condition such as chronic fatigue, my own approach is to eat all superfoods and minimize the neutrals.  No avoids/toxins at all.  ;)
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 8:19pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from Victoria


I think ghee is a lot better for us than butter.  Some people do very well with butter, but I'm a type B who has to use discrimination when it comes to dairy products.

Ghee is like liquid gold to my body.  That doesn't mean that I overeat it.  1 rounded tsp/day is what I eat, along with a few other kinds of superfood fats.  I'm careful to stay moderate with my fats intake, but still get an assortment fats, such as extra virgin olive oil and fresh wild salmon.  I think of ghee as one of my staples, and yes, it's important to eat it with foods that are compliant.


Ghee starts out as butter but with the casein removed.  That's what turns it from an avoid to a super beneficial.  If dairy is an avoid because of casein (which is usually the culprit), then Ghee is not really a dairy and is fine.
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 5:30am; Reply: 51
Hi all....been a while again since I've been on here. Am now back on home soil in Aust, and silly me has gone and started another job training horses.....its killing me!! Riding 10-15 horses plus general care duties is just too much physical work for me, and I need to quit but am having trouble telling my boss as Im the only permanent worker, so I do not want to let him down. But I know I need to look after myself first.

Just wondering whether anyone does any research on ME/CFS and knows if there is any further evidence of the causes of it? So far I've come across articles on XMRV and links to prostate and leukaemia cancers...but no promises as yet. Anyone heard anything else???
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 5:35am; Reply: 52
which system are you following?

my patients have been greatly helped by following the fatigue book from the health library series.....food lists, guidelines, protocols and all

also check the online fatigue protocol meanwhile
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 8:11am; Reply: 53
Thanks, Lola. At the moment I am just following genotype diet & also taking cordyceps and black walnut(which is really helping the bowel movements) capsules. The cordyceps do help with energy levels, currently am waiting for the real thing though as I have only been taking farm produced stuff.

Would love if anyone has any news regarding the causes of CFS
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 4:52pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from cowgirl1988
Would love if anyone has any news regarding the causes of CFS

From my experience only, I am far more fatigued when the waste/toxin levels in the body are high.  This can be due to sluggish digestion, liver or kidney operation, improper food intake, and/or environmental contaminant exposure.  

In my case, I had a combination of all the above plus some cranial and nerve damage from a fall...  It takes a long time to rebuild all of the body systems that are damaged by the time it gets to CFS...  I've been following BTD, GTD, and now SWAMI, eating almost all beneficial foods and following protocols for internal issues for 5+ years and I still have days where I am functional for only 4-6 hours, then very limited activity for the rest of the day...  This is far better than it was when I was having exhaustive collapses followed by a week in bed, however...
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 6:44pm; Reply: 55
Have you had a sleep study?  If you sleep with a partner, does that person complain that you're snoring or moving abruptly?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 9:29pm; Reply: 56
wrong lifestyle and a lectin laden diet might be a few causes...
lack of restorative sleep, adrenal eshaustion, exess stress and poor
management thereof
Posted by: tessieUK, Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 9:54pm; Reply: 57
Hi Cowgirl

I have Chronic fatigue too since 6 years. I have been doing a form of alternative treatment called Heilkunst for 3 1/2 years, which has got me a lot better. Nutrition is really really important to health, but it is not the full picture. In the Heilkunst system of medicine, as well as dealing with nutrition, hydration, dormition factors-emotional and physical shocks/trauma sustained from birth to present time are treated for using homeopathic remedies. Also 'miasms' which are inherited weaknesses/predispositions for disease. Further there are higher levels of disease beyond this (such as chtonic realm) as Heilkunst really goes up to the soul/spiritual level of healing. These root causes of disease (miasms, emotional trauma etc)cannot be erased through eating and living well alone but require energetic medicine (homeopathic remedies) to be removed. If you are looking for holistic treatment to tackle your fatigue I really recommend Heilkunst. I find it very resonablly priced as well for what you get. I pay around £50 every 6 weeks for my consultation which includes all remedies.  

You were asking about causes of chronic fatigue. In Heilkunst it is understood that all chronic conditions involve some miasmic influence (weaknesses to the constitution that we are born with and are passed on genetically.) The cancer miasm particularly (although not exclusively)is indicated in chronic fatigue, so you might find that you have some history of cancer on either side of your family.

If you want to know anymore you can just PM me. Wishing you luck with everything anyway.  
Posted by: 13446 (Guest), Thursday, February 24, 2011, 3:29pm; Reply: 58
Just finished readng Living Well With Autoimmune Disease by Mary Shoman and I learned that Chronic Fatigue is an autoimmune problem.  I have hashimoto's thyroid disease and I this book helped explain a lot of things that my doctor didn't know.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, February 24, 2011, 3:35pm; Reply: 59
I take Corvalen and it's helped greatly. I first read about it in a magazine and Dr. Oz said to take 3 scoops a day starting out and then 1 scoop after you feel better.  I have a lot more energy when I take it. It's a little expensive but it's worth it!  I think I have mild CFS so I take one scoop a day in the moring..

http://www.iherb.com/Bioenergy-Life-Science-Corvalen-9-9-oz-280-g/18183?utm_source=gb&utm_medium=f3
Posted by: Lola, Friday, February 25, 2011, 5:54am; Reply: 60
anhmnancy,
did that book also explain how this BT/GT approach, in other words, a physiologically right diet, free of lectins, is anti inflammatory by excellence thus helping your
hashimoto's thyroid disease?

give us your BT, and welcome aboard! :)
here are more threads for you
http://www.google.com/custom?q=hashimoto&cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A4452213b291e6613%3B&domains=dadamo.com&sitesearch=dadamo.com
Posted by: Lola, Friday, February 25, 2011, 6:01am; Reply: 61
Dr Oz doesn t bother with individuality, let alone BTs or subgroups thereof......
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, February 25, 2011, 8:35pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from Lola
Dr Oz doesn t bother with individuality, let alone BTs or subgroups thereof......


Dr. D and Dr. Oz are friends.. so if Dr. D would formulate an energy formula for A's I'd take it. He hasn't ...
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Friday, May 6, 2011, 2:06am; Reply: 63
Some exciting news...I have elected to be part of a research program on chronic fatigue syndrome that they're conducting right here in South Australia. The other day, I was required to wear a blood pressure monitor for 24hrs, and wear a fancy pedometer which is still on until tomorrow. Tomorrow I am going to have some MRI and 3 other neurological scans done, and on Monday, going to see a neuropsychologist. They have already tested quite a few patients and have found many differences in blood pressures & more so, in brain activity.

I asked the doctor who's conducting the study if he could tell me a little about the findings of the research; without going into scientific detail (which is waaaay over my head! :o ) basically there is a lot more activity in the mid-brain ~ the central nervous system ~ The cause, however, is still quite unclear; he said it may be something to do with when we have some kind of severe inflammation in the body (from an illness eg glandula fever etc) the body releases chemicals. It may be that these chemicals stay in the body, causing it to become toxic to the system.

Not sure how it's all connected but they have approval to release the documents in an article which should be out very soon.....exciting stuff!! Hopefully it will provide a lot clearer answers than what I have just tried to explain  ;)
Posted by: TJ, Friday, May 6, 2011, 2:35am; Reply: 64
That's exciting, you'll have a chance to learn a lot about your body!  Even if they aren't taking BT/GT into account, that information is still as individualized as it gets.
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Friday, June 24, 2011, 9:04am; Reply: 65
Well...has this been an exciting day or what!!! Today was a visit to a naturopath whom I've never seen before - he is truly amazing. He asked of my symptoms, which he genuinely took in with great interest, and really understood the ups and downs of CFS as he has dealt with such patients with much success. He took a sample of blood, and put it under the microscope which came up on a tv screen and began searching through; explaining what was what when he came across it.

Results...I have parasites, a virus (the Glandula Fever which I had about 8years ago), acid crystals, yeast-candida, fungus growing on the yeast, poor white blood cells, clotting of red blood cells as the fluid around is acidic, signs of poor lymph & poor liver...........no wonder I feel like c**p!!!!!

He was very pleased to hear that I already have begun to heal the body by being on BTD/GTD, the supplements, and goji juice. So now the real journey to bring this illness to an end has begun. This guy really impressed me and I have a lot of faith that he can help heal this body.

For someone that was always the biggest health/fitness freak, I'm the sickest person I know of! Now for long!!  8)  ;D
Posted by: Possum, Friday, June 24, 2011, 9:38am; Reply: 66
Wow Cowgirl1988 & B's are supposed to be more tolerant?  ??) You poor thing!!!
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, June 24, 2011, 5:24pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from cowgirl1988
He took a sample of blood, and put it under the microscope which came up on a tv screen and began searching through; explaining what was what when he came across it.

The live blood analysis is really a great tool.  A good practitioner can point out and use a lot of information from it.

When it was done for me, there were only 3 white cells in the entire slide and all three were already damaged.  Unfortunately, the practitioner couldn't tell why there weren't any white cells, so we still had a huge guessing game to get through.

I understand about being a "very sick, health conscious person".  I was eating about 90% avoids, but killing myself for the trouble.  Now I eat about 100% medicinal foods and healing.  It will take some time, but at least you are on the right path.

It looks like you need to focus on healing the liver...
Posted by: TJ, Saturday, June 25, 2011, 4:22pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from Possum
Wow Cowgirl1988 & B's are supposed to be more tolerant?  ??) You poor thing!!!
Lol!
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 12:10am; Reply: 69
Quoted from ABJoe

The live blood analysis is really a great tool.  A good practitioner can point out and use a lot of information from it.

When it was done for me, there were only 3 white cells in the entire slide and all three were already damaged.  Unfortunately, the practitioner couldn't tell why there weren't any white cells, so we still had a huge guessing game to get through.

I understand about being a "very sick, health conscious person".  I was eating about 90% avoids, but killing myself for the trouble.  Now I eat about 100% medicinal foods and healing.  It will take some time, but at least you are on the right path.

It looks like you need to focus on healing the liver...


ABJoe, I agree, the live blood analysis was fascinating - and this practitioner definately knew his stuff. I'm in the same boat with the white blood cells too; what did you do to help support those cells???

As a starting point, Im taking a product called "Clear The Way", meant to help clear the parasites and virus. Im not sure if there are meant to be any side affects from it, but am feeling quite ill; maybe this is the detox???

We have a range of products through out a program he's give me to get through one at a time....going to prove costly but one can't put a price on feeling healthy!

How to help the liver..????
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 6:43am; Reply: 70
Quoted from cowgirl1988
As a starting point, Im taking a product called "Clear The Way", meant to help clear the parasites and virus. Im not sure if there are meant to be any side affects from it, but am feeling quite ill; maybe this is the detox???

Detox can be a very unpleasant task...  Hopefully, yours won't take as long as mine.
Quoted from cowgirl1988
We have a range of products through out a program he's give me to get through one at a time....going to prove costly but one can't put a price on feeling healthy!

How to help the liver..????

I've used Hepatiguard and Detoxical-D, along with the easy liver cleanse described in The GTD book, Explorer section.  I skip the step that affects the gall bladder, since I have had trouble with that...  
I use red beets (or a Standard Process product called A-F Betafood for acute attacks) to aid the gall bladder.
I have also had a homeopathic remedy for a bile duct blockage...  
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, June 27, 2011, 12:22am; Reply: 71
Quoted from cowgirl1988


ABJoe, I agree, the live blood analysis was fascinating - and this practitioner definately knew his stuff. I'm in the same boat with the white blood cells too; what did you do to help support those cells???

As a starting point, Im taking a product called "Clear The Way", meant to help clear the parasites and virus. Im not sure if there are meant to be any side affects from it, but am feeling quite ill; maybe this is the detox???

We have a range of products through out a program he's give me to get through one at a time....going to prove costly but one can't put a price on feeling healthy!

How to help the liver..????
Get help from the Aussies on the board with local secretor testing, if you do not already know.  How did you discover that you are a Nomad, Cowgirl1988?

Blood Type Liver Protocol:  http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 11:05am; Reply: 72
Quoted from paul clucas
Get help from the Aussies on the board with local secretor testing, if you do not already know.  How did you discover that you are a Nomad, Cowgirl1988?

Blood Type Liver Protocol:  http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html


Paul, I got the whole genotype testing kit which had the secretor test etc, Im a secretor. That test showed that I am a Nomad, and also Swami says that Im a Nomad too

Thanks ABJoe....Im hoping the detox doesnt take too long either, I was feeling really horrible yesterday and today, migraines, headaches, nausea etc. Not sure if it was part of detox or a deepening of symptoms....a little worried about my liver at the moment
Posted by: nowishow, Thursday, June 30, 2011, 9:48pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from cowgirl1988


Thanks ABJoe....Im hoping the detox doesnt take too long either, I was feeling really horrible yesterday and today, migraines, headaches, nausea etc. Not sure if it was part of detox or a deepening of symptoms....a little worried about my liver at the moment


I am being treated for Lyme disease, so I'm in a similar if not the same situation as you. I've been told that most of the pain is caused by my body fighting of the bugs and the reaction to the toxins the dead bugs give off. So, you need to detox your body as much as possible. Things I've found to help detox as you heal are:

Red Root tincture - Helps spleen and liver (I could actually feel it work on my spleen)
Apple pectin - helps carry out the toxins
Coffee enemas - I can't do these but I hear they help
Clay baths
Epsom baths
Soda baths - see recipe below
Oxigenated Magnesium - (not magnesuim oxide) this is a bowel cleanser

It helps speed up the healing if you can detox as much as possible. I've been under treatment for about a year and I started doing much better as I increased my detoxing.

Soda Bath

1/2 box Borax ( sodium tetraborate) about six cups
3 cups baking soda
2 cups cornstarch

Soak in lukewarm water (not hot) for 35 minutes. Get as much of you in the tub as possible. Rinse after but do not wash until next day. This is my favorite detox. At first it wiped me out. I had to reduce the amount and the time, but after a while it got better and I started doing it twice a week. Now I only need to have one twice a month.
Posted by: cowgirl1988, Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:25am; Reply: 74
Quoted from nowishow



Red Root tincture - Helps spleen and liver (I could actually feel it work on my spleen)
Apple pectin - helps carry out the toxins
Coffee enemas - I can't do these but I hear they help
Clay baths
Epsom baths
Soda baths - see recipe below
Oxigenated Magnesium - (not magnesuim oxide) this is a bowel cleanser

Soak in lukewarm water (not hot) for 35 minutes. Get as much of you in the tub as possible. Rinse after but do not wash until next day. This is my favorite detox. At first it wiped me out. I had to reduce the amount and the time, but after a while it got better and I started doing it twice a week. Now I only need to have one twice a month.


If you have experienced the benefits, then I am all for it. Will have to do a little research on some of the things you have listed. Am glad it has been benenficial for you and hope you continue to soldier through it! Goodluck and thank you  :)
Posted by: JJR, Friday, July 1, 2011, 11:51pm; Reply: 75
Red root tincture hah?  I never heard of that one.  My spleen and liver are struggling too.  I had a cold pack on my spleen today.  Yikers.  But the standard process supps seem to be giving it some relief.  I didn't take them this morning, so tonight!

Apple pectin.  Hmmmmm....  I know apples do seem good for me.

I want to know how to keep my "colon clean"  while my liver is dumping, without doing an enema or something.  I'm just not sure about them.  And I don't necessarily know if juicing everything is the key either.  I think lemons help.  Teas maybe?
Posted by: nowishow, Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 9:36pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from JJR
Red root tincture hah?  I never heard of that one.  My spleen and liver are struggling too.  I had a cold pack on my spleen today.  Yikers.  But the standard process supps seem to be giving it some relief.  I didn't take them this morning, so tonight!

Apple pectin.  Hmmmmm....  I know apples do seem good for me.

I want to know how to keep my "colon clean"  while my liver is dumping, without doing an enema or something.  I'm just not sure about them.  And I don't necessarily know if juicing everything is the key either.  I think lemons help.  Teas maybe?


Red Root helped my Spleen pain tremendously! But, it doesn't help everyone. You might want to give it a try.

Apple pectin and Clorella are supposed to be the best at attaching to the types of toxins coming off the bugs to get them out of your system. It's just been tough getting Chlorella now because I think it all came from Japan.

For Colon Cleansing I use this http://www.iherb.com/Pure-Vegan-The-Ultimate-Oxygenating-Mag-O7-Colon-Cleanser-120-Veggie-Caps/17759?at=0 because it isn't habbit forming and it's gentle, no cramping. I have very bad reactions to any kind of laxative whether it's natural or not. I've been using this for almost a year now and it's been extremely helpful. I lose muscle strength in many areas of my body and my colon and bladder are two of these locations. So this really helps when I have no muscle strength.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 4:08pm; Reply: 77
What's in it?
Posted by: nowishow, Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:11pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from JJR
What's in it?


If you mean the colon cleanser it contains 2100 mg Magnesium (as Ozonated Magnesium Oxides). It's not a magnesium supplement, my ND carries it at his office. Here's the blub from the site:

Quoted Text
A Dietary Supplement
Mag O7 is a specially formulated magnesium based compound which has been ozonated and stabilized to release nascent oxygen when used as directed. Mag O7 has a stool softening effect, which eliminates the digestive tract of unwanted fecal debris, and aids in digestion by slowly releasing beneficial nascent oxygen which good aerobic bacteria needs to digest properly. Mag O7 is non-habit forming.

Suggested Use
As a dietary supplement, take 3 to 4 capsules one to three times daily, on an empty stomach until desired cleanse has been attained. Decrease dosage for maintenance. Daily dosage will vary depending on individual intended purpose. Results may vary.


I only use 2 or 3 at night before bed and only once or twice a week. You may need to rush to the bathroom the next day or the day after if you take too much so until you get to know how your body responds to it, it's best to take it on the weekend (if you'll be home). It can give you a strong herx (detox) response the first few times you use it as well. I've read that it can help kill candida because candida hates an oxigen environment and that's what this introduces. It's really helped me a lot.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 7:08pm; Reply: 79
Any magnesium supplement (even epsom salts) can be used as a laxative the day you do a liver cleanse, if you're worried about sluggish digestion interfering with the effectiveness of the liver detox.
Posted by: nowishow, Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 9:00pm; Reply: 80
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Any magnesium supplement (even epsom salts) can be used as a laxative the day you do a liver cleanse, if you're worried about sluggish digestion interfering with the effectiveness of the liver detox.


This actually isn't a magnesium supplement. It doesn't give the body any more magnesium. It's good for people who need to have a bowel cleanse or are unable to stay regular after they've tried all the regular methods first, like me. It doesn't matter how much C or Magnesium I take I still have problems. And believe me I tried everything else first.  ::)
Posted by: Niagreen, Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 9:17pm; Reply: 81
I was recommended a oxygen magnesium supplement following a colonic treatment I had. They are really very good I think! I have read a few testimonials about people who use them regularly and long term after suffering from years and years of gut troubles and constipation. From what I know there is no adverse affect of taking them like this, or at a higher dose for a cleanse. The sensation of taking them is also very pleasant in my opinion  :)

after a liver cleanse some people recommend an emptying of the bowel from a colonic, but if you can't do this you can use the mag oxy supplement in large doses to ensure you eliminate the toxins
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, July 7, 2011, 12:10am; Reply: 82
Herx reaction.  Hmmmm... That's what I get. Bad.
Posted by: nowishow, Thursday, July 7, 2011, 7:00pm; Reply: 83
Quoted from JJR
Herx reaction.  Hmmmm... That's what I get. Bad.


A herx reaction is actually a good thing although it feels terrible. Most of the symptoms I get (my doctor tells me) are my body's reaction to killing the bugs or getting rid of the toxins. So if I'm having pain it's supposed to be a good thing.  :o The object is to not fight off the bugs quicker than your body can handle, if that makes any sense.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, July 7, 2011, 10:20pm; Reply: 84
Yeah, it makes complete sense.  Feels like walking a tightrope for me.  But I do need to learn to embrace it.  But I've been doing it for so long, it gets annoying.  Hopefully fighting the lyme gunk will help me with the other stuff.
Posted by: nowishow, Thursday, July 7, 2011, 11:13pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from JJR
Yeah, it makes complete sense.  Feels like walking a tightrope for me.  But I do need to learn to embrace it.  But I've been doing it for so long, it gets annoying.  Hopefully fighting the lyme gunk will help me with the other stuff.


What other stuff do you have?
Posted by: JJR, Friday, July 8, 2011, 4:08pm; Reply: 86
The gut stuff.  I still have yeast to some extent.  And my doctor believes I have biofilms of bad bacteria in my gut.  My tartaric acid is too high.  And my immune system needs help.  My ph is still a little too acidic, and my amino acids are in the tanker presently.  All creating extreme fatigue, low grade fevers some days,etc etc etc.  Whine whine whine.  My mind is getting better though.  And, I think I've finally gotten H.pylori under control to some extent.  That is a really good thing.  Because that stuff is bad.  I think it's probably still there, but to a much smaller degree now.
Posted by: Kim, Friday, July 8, 2011, 4:17pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from JJR
The gut stuff.  I still have yeast to some extent.  And my doctor believes I have biofilms of bad bacteria in my gut.  My tartaric acid is too high.  And my immune system needs help.  My ph is still a little too acidic, and my amino acids are in the tanker presently.  All creating extreme fatigue, low grade fevers some days,etc etc etc.  Whine whine whine.  My mind is getting better though.  And, I think I've finally gotten H.pylori under control to some extent.  That is a really good thing.  Because that stuff is bad.  I think it's probably still there, but to a much smaller degree now.


All could be from Lyme.  But you are working on that so things will get better!

Posted by: JJR, Friday, July 8, 2011, 7:24pm; Reply: 88
Yes, I agree.
Posted by: nowishow, Friday, July 8, 2011, 8:15pm; Reply: 89
Quoted from JJR
The gut stuff.  I still have yeast to some extent.  And my doctor believes I have biofilms of bad bacteria in my gut.  My tartaric acid is too high.  And my immune system needs help.  My ph is still a little too acidic, and my amino acids are in the tanker presently.  All creating extreme fatigue, low grade fevers some days,etc etc etc.  Whine whine whine.  My mind is getting better though.  And, I think I've finally gotten H.pylori under control to some extent.  That is a really good thing.  Because that stuff is bad.  I think it's probably still there, but to a much smaller degree now.


I agree with Kim so much will be addressed as you start treating for Lyme. I hope anyway. I'm not really taking anything that kills the bugs. I'm only taking things that help my body kill the bugs, but that means my immune system is getting better which helps so many things that are wrong with us "Lymies".
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, July 9, 2011, 7:47pm; Reply: 90
Yes, that is true.  That's what I feel like is messed up with me.  I think when the immune system is working well, it will fight all the other junk off much better.  My doctor has told me several times I have a TH2 shift.  Which is something like your immune system spinning it's wheels, but not getting anywhere.
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