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Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 10:40pm
Hi,
Anyone have a good clean source for this?
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 11:15pm; Reply: 1
The sun! 8)
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 12:22am; Reply: 2
Our practitioner has "prescribed" a D3 (1000 IU) from http://www.protocolforlife.com for the Teachers in my life.  It has corn oil as an "other ingredient".  
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 2:38am; Reply: 3
Quoted from DenverFoodie
The sun! 8)


I agree, but how do you know if you're getting enough?
Posted by: maukik, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 3:00am; Reply: 4
Quoted from kauaian


I agree, but how do you know if you're getting enough?


Expose as much skin as you can for 10-15 minutes a day.  There are quite a few articles online about it.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/heart/articles/2008/06/23/time-in-the-sun-how-much-is-needed-for-vitamin-d.html
Posted by: italybound, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 5
If you're already deficient, you should prob supplement for a while w/ your dr's guidance of course. ;-)
I avoid the sun alot because of skin cancer. And yes, my D3 is quite low......out of range. I'm supplementing. Using Nature Made I think, for now. I want to find something better.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 3:12am; Reply: 6
The HomeFirst Medical Services (or is it Health Services) sell a D3 with a little probiotic in it. They claim it absorbs better..... You can order by mail. They are in the Chicago suburbs & a FB friend of several of us BTDers. Even if you have cancer, I would think a tiny amount of sun should not be bad, but consult your dr., not me!!!!!
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:11am; Reply: 7
Get a D3 source/pill in oil ( I get a version in Olive oil :))
or eat with a fatty meal.

Sadly I live a place where only June and july provides enough sunlight... 10-15 min are NOT enough.fatty fish and butter from animals on pasture can be a ok source as well as real Codliver oil.


Quoted Text
About 70 percent of U.S. children have low levels of vitamin D, which puts them at higher risk for bone and heart disease.“We expected the prevalence of vitamin D deficiency would be high, but the magnitude of the problem nationwide was shocking,” said Dr. Juhi Kumar of Children’s Hospital at Montefiore Medical Center.
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 6:04pm; Reply: 8
Vitamin D3 is a vitamin I take every day.. The NOW brand Vitamin D3.

In summer time I take 2000 IU per day and in winter I increase to 3 to 4000 IU per day.
Vitamin D is essential for fighting off viral infections like flu, colds.
Important for bone health and to prevent heartfailure.
Besides new research has shown that Vitamin D keeps your telomeres (endparts of DNA) long and healthy.  ;)
Mrs. Elizabeth Blackburn is a Nobelprizewinner on this Telomere research. What can you do to keep your telomeres long? Her answer is: Exercise, meditation, right foods. In short a healthy lifestyle! Just what Peter advises us to do!!  ;D And the results, once you adapt to this healthy lifestyle, are visible afther 3 months! Moreover: the more you exercise the longer your telomeres stay and the healthier you will be!!
I myself have intensified my exercise up to 3 times a week 1 hour intensive training, walking and biking! Afterwards I take a sauna..
And yes, I am losing weight and feel great, and yes the nervous pain in my S1 joint is weaning off and... I am better able to handle stress.  :)

Take care and take your Vit D3...

Cocky 8)
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 6:55pm; Reply: 9
Got a wicked cold right now....Endocrinologist told me to up the D3 to 10,000 IUs until I'm better and then stick with 5000 I was taking 2-3000 and couldn't get the levels above 39,000,
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:28pm; Reply: 10
Right now I'm taking 5,000 iu's of D3 a day. I was deficient and developed the beginnings of osteoporosis..and by May of this year I was so sick from my immune system not working right.  I took 50,000 iu's a week all summer and my levels only went up a few points.  I'm getting re tested in December.  The 5,000 iu's are controversial.  My primary doctor said it's too much and can cause kidney stones. I hope she's wrong.  Once I get my levels up from 31 to around 50-60 then I'll switch to 1-2000 iu's a day.
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:10pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from italybound
If you're already deficient, you should prob supplement for a while w/ your dr's guidance of course. ;-)
I avoid the sun alot because of skin cancer. And yes, my D3 is quite low......out of range. I'm supplementing. Using Nature Made I think, for now. I want to find something better.


I have no idea...was just wondering about it.  I do spend lots of time outdoors, I noticed nature made had a few avoids.
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 9:39pm; Reply: 12
I've taken as much as 10,000 iu per day to get my levels up to 60...It saved me from having crushed
bones per my recent accident and was told I had super strong bones and no arthritis in my hips or
spine.  I take NOW brand...5,000 iu to 10,000 iu...about 60,000 iu per week. Been doing this for a year.
No ill effects.  D level slowly rose from mid 30s to 60.  Need to ask for a D3 blood test and keep monitoring progress.  I want to get my level to 75.....Even 80 isn't too far a reach.  Latest research
shows most people are seriously deficient.  Can't get D from sun most of year in Northeast...Have no option but to supplement.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

from this site....


Am I Vitamin D Deficient?


Good Question! There is no way to know for certain until you get a 25-hydroxyvitamin D test, also called a 25(OH)D. Levels should be above 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/L) year-round, in both children and adults. Thanks to Bruce Hollis, Robert Heaney, Neil Binkley, and others, we now know the minimal acceptable level. It is 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/L). In a recent study, Heaney, et al expanded on Bruce Hollis's seminal work by analyzing five studies in which both the parent compound (cholecalciferol) and 25(OH)D levels were measured. They found that the body does not reliably begin storing cholecalciferol in fat and muscle tissue until 25(OH)D levels get above 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/L). The average person starts to store cholecalciferol at 40 ng/ml (100 nmol/L), but at 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/L) virtually everyone begins to store it for future use. That is, at levels below 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/L), the body uses up vitamin D as fast as you can make it, or take it, indicating chronic substrate starvation—not a good thing. 25(OH)D levels should be between 50–80 ng/ml (125–200 nmol/L), year-round.
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 10:15pm; Reply: 13
That's a thought, will need to get tested.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:11pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Chloe
75.....Even 80 isn't too far a reach.  .


Normal range according to the doctor I went to is 32-150.    So you can go higher than 80 that's for sure. She also thought I was "normal" because I was 31 !   She kept telling me over and over that I was going to get kidney stones from taking 5,000 iu's a day. I should only be taking 1-2000 a day.  Even though I'm worried, I'm still taking 5,000 iu's a day. My sister takes 2,000 iu's a day.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:13pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from kauaian
That's a thought, will need to get tested.


Absolutely! You should be tested regularly or do you want to end up like me with osteoporosis?  :( :)
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:57am; Reply: 16
I had my D level tested recently, the 25-Hydroxy was 33.9 and the doctor told me to supplement.  The hormone part Calcitriol (1,25 di-Oh Vit D) was high outside of range which raised a concern that something is going on, and I'm going to be doing more blood tests to see what could be causing this.  Anyone else had this issue?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, October 21, 2010, 1:08pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Lin
I had my D level tested recently, the 25-Hydroxy was 33.9 and the doctor told me to supplement.  The hormone part Calcitriol (1,25 di-Oh Vit D) was high outside of range which raised a concern that something is going on, and I'm going to be doing more blood tests to see what could be causing this.  Anyone else had this issue?


Did the doc say what that could mean?  I don't know what that is.. :-/
Posted by: nwiser, Thursday, October 21, 2010, 2:17pm; Reply: 18
I take the Nordic Naturals Vit. D3. Seems to be a great company.
My vit. D blood levels have come back as low as 16, and I am in the sun
quite a bit. Not sure about this, but I definitely need to supplement.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, October 21, 2010, 7:22pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Lin
I had my D level tested recently, the 25-Hydroxy was 33.9 and the doctor told me to supplement.  The hormone part Calcitriol (1,25 di-Oh Vit D) was high outside of range which raised a concern that something is going on, and I'm going to be doing more blood tests to see what could be causing this.  Anyone else had this issue?


It seems protective but I don't know much about it other than its description here:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDPhysiology.shtml

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, October 21, 2010, 7:54pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from nwiser
I take the Nordic Naturals Vit. D3. Seems to be a great company.
My vit. D blood levels have come back as low as 16, and I am in the sun
quite a bit. Not sure about this, but I definitely need to supplement.


I was on 50,000 iu's and mine was 26.  wow 16, is crazy low. sorry..have you been gettin sick a lot?
flu?   If you were in the sun a lot were you wearing sunscreen/sunblock? That would prevent you from making D.


:)
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:05pm; Reply: 21
Chloe, thanks for link.
The Doctor says that going over the range means something is going on, one theory she wants to explore is whether I have something like chronic lyme disease which may not be showing any obvious symptoms but could be causing allergies and various low or high lab tests.  So I will be seeing her next week and assume I will need to do more lab tests to try to identify what is going on.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:04pm; Reply: 22
Chloe is a great resource for us on the BTD forum!  :)  She does a lot of research..
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 22, 2010, 12:40am; Reply: 23
she s a resourceful useful and instructive link fisher alright! ;)
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:03am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Lin
Chloe, thanks for link.
The Doctor says that going over the range means something is going on, one theory she wants to explore is whether I have something like chronic lyme disease which may not be showing any obvious symptoms but could be causing allergies and various low or high lab tests.  So I will be seeing her next week and assume I will need to do more lab tests to try to identify what is going on.


Welcome to the Lyme crowd. :(

I know some of you will have panic attacks over me saying this, but I sat for three hours in the sun today.  It's such, this time of year, that I'm not going to get burned by it--so stop your worryin'.  (I hate sunscreen and think it's probably contributed to skin cancer because of the known carcinogenic ingredients!!!)  Anyway, I dragged around all morning and felt my normal rotten self and then I went outside.  I sat in the sun and did some proofreading for three solid hours and when I came back in I felt amazing.  Amazing!!!  I've been full of energy, happy, funny and able to handle the noise that multiple children generate.  We ate dinner at a reasonable hour (hurray!) and then we went on a walk and I had the energy to play with the children and pull them around in a wagon.  That's SO not me.  Because normally I feel like....#*@&%!$^.

I've been wondering if Lyme disease depletes your body of D.  I asked DH about getting some full-spectrum light bulbs for the kitchen and perhaps another room or two.  Because I really do feel good, y'all, and it's because I spent so long in the sun.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:32am; Reply: 25
Yay, Ribbit!!  (sunny)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:44am; Reply: 26
:)
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, October 22, 2010, 1:56am; Reply: 27
Thank you for being happy for me. :K) :K) :K)
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 22, 2010, 2:38am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Ribbit
I sat in the sun and did some proofreading for three solid hours and when I came back in I felt amazing.  Amazing!!!  I've been full of energy, happy, funny and able to handle the noise that multiple children generate.  We ate dinner at a reasonable hour (hurray!) and then we went on a walk and I had the energy to play with the children and pull them around in a wagon.  That's SO not me.  Because normally I feel like....#*@&%!$^.

Glad you found a key... ;D ;D   :)

I hope the full spectrum lights help you.  Is it as simple as replacing flourescent tubes, or are you going to have to replace fixtures?
Posted by: Jane, Friday, October 22, 2010, 2:42am; Reply: 29
:)(clap)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, October 22, 2010, 3:06am; Reply: 30
Don't know yet, Joe.  But it's 11 pm and I'm still going strong.  I cleaned the entire kitchen, scrubbing down the counters and loading the dishwasher (which is sometimes left till the morning  :B ), swept and mopped the kitchen and bathroom.  Yep, I mopped the kitchen.  That hasn't happened in a while.  DH says I need to go to bed and save my energy for tomorrow.

Here's to more sunlight in the morning!!!  Wheeeee!
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 22, 2010, 3:12am; Reply: 31
Quoted from Ribbit
DH says I need to go to bed and save my energy for tomorrow.
I agree - it is easy to overdo and get kicked in the behind...  I hope tomorrow's sunlight is a s beneficial as today's... ;)   ;D

I probably asked the wrong question...  I know there are full spectrum flourescent bulbs that are great, as long as you aren't EMF sensitive...  I didn't know if you have flourescent fixtures currently...

Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Friday, October 22, 2010, 7:51am; Reply: 32
Quoted from Jane
Got a wicked cold right now....Endocrinologist told me to up the D3 to 10,000 IUs until I'm better and then stick with 5000 I was taking 2-3000 and couldn't get the levels above 39,000,


Wow! You have a good Endocrinologist! I don't know of any Drs that would tell anyone to take more than 1000 IUs up here. And we need it when we only get about enough sunshine during July and Aug. My Dr told me that I shouldn't take more that 1000 IUs daily.

They recommend that we give our children 400 IUs of liquid D3. Which is what I was going to give my son anyways even if they weren't tell us. But I give him 2000 IUs. I take the liquid too. That way it soaks in through more and less chance of having to guess whether or not my colon is absorbing it. I take 6000 IUs daily.

My son was starting to get a bit jaundiced. They call it "breast feeding jaundice". It was just because I needed to up his amount of D3. So I did and it went away.
Posted by: Possum, Friday, October 22, 2010, 8:11am; Reply: 33
So glad for you Ribbit!! Hope tomorrow is as good as today?! ;)
Posted by: Lin, Friday, October 22, 2010, 2:01pm; Reply: 34
Ribbit,
Thanks.  Like you, I find when I've been outside it is a real mood/energy lifter.  You pose an interesting question about the lyme and vitamin D.
Linda
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, October 22, 2010, 2:37pm; Reply: 35
Sunshine and fresh air are part of being healthy..it's not just getting the vitamin D.   :)
I need to be outside more...
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, October 22, 2010, 8:50pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Lin
I had my D level tested recently, the 25-Hydroxy was 33.9 and the doctor told me to supplement.  The hormone part Calcitriol (1,25 di-Oh Vit D) was high outside of range which raised a concern that something is going on, and I'm going to be doing more blood tests to see what could be causing this.  Anyone else had this issue?


I had the opposite issue, so I don't know.  

My active form was fine but my stored form (1, 25) was half of what it should be, and I had major symptoms of a deficiency.  Fortunately endocrinologists test for both, or nobody would have caught it and I would have had to get a lumbar puncture to test for MS since the other tests for MS turned up nothing and the neurologist was out to prove I had it anyway.  

See an endocrinologist, that's all I can say to everyone getting their Vitamin D tested.
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, October 22, 2010, 10:21pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from christaalyssaA+



My son was starting to get a bit jaundiced. They call it "breast feeding jaundice". It was just because I needed to up his amount of D3. So I did and it went away.


It's because they are biased against breastfeeding. :(  3/4 of my babies had it and all they needed was some sunlight.

Joe, I am sensitive to fluorescent lights and EMFs and on mornings when my nervous system is particularly on high alert, I don't even turn them on.  Because I just know it'll make me even more edgy.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, October 22, 2010, 10:58pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Ribbit
Joe, I am sensitive to fluorescent lights and EMFs and on mornings when my nervous system is particularly on high alert, I don't even turn them on.  Because I just know it'll make me even more edgy.

You may need to experiment with the a couple of different bulbs to find the "magic" set...  I think there are 5 different spectrum types available in flourescent tubes at Lowe's...

I know when I am edgy, any artificial or bright light bothers me...  About the only time I wear sunglasses is when I feel bad - and if I feel really bad, I may wear them inside with no lights on...  

Posted by: IssyGirl, Saturday, October 23, 2010, 1:04am; Reply: 39
Just looked at my vit D3 ingredients and darn it if it doesn't contain soybean oil.  Grrr...

Ribbit, so happy for you!!!  I love it when I have energy like that!  
Posted by: Jane, Saturday, October 23, 2010, 1:22am; Reply: 40
Both my sons were jaundiced when they were born.  My first was under the bili lights.  With the second, my wonderful pediatrician literally told me to put him in front of a sunny window.  I had to take him for blood samples the first few days but he was fine.  My biggest problem was some idiotic kid who was shooting off a bb gun on the other side of the brook behind my house at the time and shot right thru the window where the portacrib was during the day (in my study).  Luckily he was upstairs in his room at the time.  I had to call the cops and everything.  I nursed both and there were no real problems with that.
Just got a text from my son that my granddaughter just crawled for the first time and then pulled herself up on the coffee table....she's 6 months......

My D3 is from Whole Foods (their brand) and it has soy oil too.  I'll look for another brand when I get over this cold and can go shopping.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, October 23, 2010, 1:28am; Reply: 41
Quoted from Jane

Just got a text from my son that my granddaughter just crawled for the first time and then pulled herself up on the coffee table....she's 6 months......


Powerful upper body strength on that wee little girl!  (shrug)
Posted by: nwiser, Saturday, October 23, 2010, 2:51am; Reply: 42
Quoted from 815


I was on 50,000 iu's and mine was 26.  wow 16, is crazy low. sorry..have you been gettin sick a lot?
flu?   If you were in the sun a lot were you wearing sunscreen/sunblock? That would prevent you from making D.


:)


Hi Mayflowers,
I can't remember the last time I was actually sick. I am not prone to infections
either. I stopped wearing sunscreen (except a little on my face) 2 years ago.
My doctor has also tested me several times for Lyme's .....I have know idea what's
going on, but he mentioned the 50,000IU shot as well. Right now I take 2000 a day.

What season were you tested?

Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, October 25, 2010, 2:22am; Reply: 43
Many people "test" negative for Lyme disease who actually have it.  They are unreliable tests.  You can do blood work till you're blue in the face, but if it's gone chronic, it's not going to show up.  http://www.georgialymedisease.org/
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 5:30pm; Reply: 44
I'm due for a general checkup- should I ask my doctor to check my  vitamin D levels along with the other bloodwork? Is there a specific test or  group of tests I should request?
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 7:52pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I'm due for a general checkup- should I ask my doctor to check my  vitamin D levels along with the other bloodwork? Is there a specific test or  group of tests I should request?


I would definitely ask for a vitamin D test.

This is what it's called:

25-hydroxyvitamin D test, also called a 25(OH)D. Levels should be above 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/L) year-round, in both children and adults.

And from the Vitamin D council....make note of this when you are tested

Unfortunately, about 20% of United States doctors order the wrong test. They order a 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D, thinking that by measuring the most potent steroid in the human body, calcitriol, they are getting useful information. They are not. 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D is an adaptive hormone; it goes up and down with calcium intake. So these doctors see the 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D is normal or high and tell their patients that they are OK when really, they are vitamin D deficient—advice that may prove fatal. Furthermore, most doctors who see a 25(OH)D of 30 ng/ml (75 nmol/L) will tell you that level is fine when it is not—that is, few doctors know how to correctly interpret the test results. With ZRT, you are in control of when you test, how often you test, and what you do with the results.

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 7:54pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from nwiser

..I have know idea what's
going on, but he mentioned the 50,000IU shot as well. Right now I take 2000 a day.
What season were you tested?


I was tested in May after really bad bronchitis...more like pneumonia. I never get that sick so I knew something wasn't right.  When I went back for a re check , I asked to have the D levels checked. (not that the doctor thought they should do it... ::)  )    The 50,000 ius is capsules not a shot. You'd take one a week for about 10 weeks.  :)
Posted by: Lin, Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 7:04pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Ribbit
Many people "test" negative for Lyme disease who actually have it.  They are unreliable tests.  You can do blood work till you're blue in the face, but if it's gone chronic, it's not going to show up.  http://www.georgialymedisease.org/


Ribbit, the Doctor I am going to told me the same as you say - she said there is an epidemic of chronic lyme.  
Lin

Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 11:47pm; Reply: 48
Ah!  Then you're seeing a LLMD--Lyme-literate MD.  That will be my last resort, because from what I understand they still just do antibiotics--they just understand that some people test falsely negative.
Posted by: cajun, Friday, October 29, 2010, 10:00pm; Reply: 49
Ribbit,
I know what you mean about being outdoors and in the sun! I wish I could get all my "work" done outside! My sunny desert SoCal home does spoil me. I love to visit my cousins and friends in Portland, Seattle and Spokane but miss the sun sooooo much! It is truly the best mood and energy booster ever! 8)
Posted by: nwiser, Saturday, October 30, 2010, 4:54am; Reply: 50
I think if you get tested for Lyme's while on the antibiotics, it
will show negative. Most regular MD's are not on the ball yet, but
the tests seem to be getting better. My mom has it....she still doesn't
get that most of her vague problems are from the Lyme because her doc
only gave her 7 days worth of antibiotic and let her stop it in the middle due
to an upset stomach! I'm still a little upset about that. She clearly had
the target. I think her protocol could have been a little more aggressive.
Posted by: Elizabeth, Monday, November 8, 2010, 9:23pm; Reply: 51
Does anyone know anything about vitamin D3 toxicity?  I've read that one could take 50,000 during an acute illness (and use it up)--and then there is the kidney stones question.  I thought D3 helped you use calcium so it did not go places it shouldn't (like stones).  I've also read one can make 10,000 easily, running around in the sun with skin showing and without sunscreen.  In the winter, I'm sure lack of light = lack of vitamin D = poorer mood than in the summer.  I notice as the days get shorter.  I've been adding D3--but how much is really too much?  Will a typical primary care person know about this, and about testing blood levels?  Thanks for any thoughts on this.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, November 8, 2010, 9:50pm; Reply: 52
I have this week's for women First magazine and there's a very good article on Vitamin D and on the front cover it says Vitamin D Releases Belly fat. Well I knew my doctor was a padawan. Dr. Holick in this article states that it's safe to take up to 10,000 ius a day of D especially if one is overweight. They discovered that "fat" robs the vitamin D out of the blood stream and stores it in the fat.  So the more overweight you are, the more D you need. Fascinating article. I haven't noticed any difference since I've been taking the D (that's how low my levels were/are)  In mood or weight. I also read that you have to have high levels for the difference to be noticed. I just upped my daily D to 10,000 ius. I'll have the levels checked in December.
Posted by: Curious, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:17am; Reply: 53
Here is some information on Vitamin D toxicity from a well-respected nutrition book in Australia:

Vitamin D is an essential nutrient necessary for the absorption of calcium from the small intestine. Vitamin D deficiency causes rickets and osteomalacia. While most Australians do not require vitamin D in their diets, in countries where exposure of the skin to sunlight is limited (especially in winter months), dietary vitamin D is essential for the prevention of rickets. In pure form, however, vitamin D is highly toxic, comparable to the same amount of the organophosphate pesticide, parathion. It can be chronically toxic, leading to deposition of calcium in soft tissues and irreversible renal and cardiovascular damage if supplements containing in excess of 45 microgram/day are taken".
From: Mark L. Wahlqvist, Food & Nutrition, 2nd edition, Allen & Unwin, p.91.
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 2:39am; Reply: 54
My endo told me to take 10,000 IUs while I was sick for the past few weeks and then 5000 IUs at least for the winter.  I was still on the low side taking 2000 IUs and getting some sun over the summer.
Jane
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 3:08am; Reply: 55
forget the guess work!

Dr D has done it for us, yet again! ;)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 7:48am; Reply: 56
Quoted from Curious
Here is some information on Vitamin D toxicity from a well-respected nutrition book in Australia:

Vitamin D is an essential nutrient necessary for the absorption of calcium from the small intestine. Vitamin D deficiency causes rickets and osteomalacia. While most Australians do not require vitamin D in their diets, in countries where exposure of the skin to sunlight is limited (especially in winter months), dietary vitamin D is essential for the prevention of rickets. In pure form, however, vitamin D is highly toxic, ncomparable to the same amount of the organophosphate pesticide, parathion. It can be chronically toxic, leading to deposition of calcium in soft tissues and irreversible renal and cardiovascular damage if supplements containing in excess of 45 microgram/day are taken".
From: Mark L. Wahlqvist, Food & Nutrition, 2nd edition, Allen & Unwin, p.91.


Well I don´t think the Scandinavian scientist would agree with it.
All the new stuff they have researched says that Vitamin D is really a hormone and it is safe to go to 100 mcg /4000 iu pr day in acute sickness. They say Scandinavians should airm for 25- 35 mcg 1000-1400 iu pr day in the period of September- may
Teenager  as high as 50 mcg 2000 iu pr day. Kids 20 mg 800 iu pr day.
And always use D 3 - never D2 since that can be toxic.
Posted by: Cristina, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:55pm; Reply: 57
Sorry guys, as usual lately, just rushing through so I did not read all the posts here, but have you seen Dr D's formulation for D3?

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066

Cheers :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 7:08pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from Curious
Here is some information on Vitamin D toxicity from a well-respected nutrition book in Australia:
Vitamin D is an essential nutrient necessary for the absorption of calcium from the small intestine. cardiovascular damage if supplements containing in excess of 45 microgram/day are taken".
From: Mark L. Wahlqvist, Food & Nutrition, 2nd edition, Allen & Unwin, p.91.


That book is in my opinion sadly outdated. Now top doctors.. are saying  that minimum is 1,000 ius a day for kids! 45 micrograms  is less than 800 ius!  400 is only 25 micrograms.  That must have been the book my padawan primary doctor read.  Dr. Holick said 10,000 ius is made by the body in one sun session. Come on these doctors are whacked.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 7:09pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from Cristina
Sorry guys, as usual lately, just rushing through so I did not read all the posts here, but have you seen Dr D's formulation for D3?

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066

Cheers :)


Yes we did and it has Vitamin K in it that I can't take.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 7:10pm; Reply: 60
Quoted Text
proofreading for three solid hours and when I came back in I felt amazing.  Amazing!!!


Ya don't say! :) ;D 8)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 7:17pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from Andrea AWsec


Ya don't say! :) ;D 8)


Andrea who are you quoting?  I hate when I'm scrolling through the messages looking for the original post..so I can understand...
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 3:04am; Reply: 62
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1287528055/s-59/#num55

just two posts before yours....... ;)
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 11:31pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from Ribbit
Ah!  Then you're seeing a LLMD--Lyme-literate MD.  That will be my last resort, because from what I understand they still just do antibiotics--they just understand that some people test falsely negative.


Ribbit,
Luckily this MD also uses holistic methods, and I am doing the holistic therapy.
I've been taking other supplements first to strengthen/prepare my body and will start the therapy in a few weeks.
Lin

Posted by: NewHampshireGirl, Friday, November 12, 2010, 12:42am; Reply: 64
Quoted from Lola
forget the guess work!

Dr D has done it for us, yet again! ;)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066


That's great!  I had no idea this supplement existed.
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:00am; Reply: 65
Quoted from 815


Andrea who are you quoting?  I hate when I'm scrolling through the messages looking for the original post..so I can understand...


She was quoting me.

....and I'm still proofreading.   ;)
Posted by: shoulderblade, Friday, November 12, 2010, 6:45pm; Reply: 66
An article from todays BBC Health section concerning rickets in the English city of Southampton.

Rickets/Southampton

The article mentions problems in Northern England with Rickets but Southampton is very near the south coast. Also sounds like a rather sudden surprise to researchers.
Posted by: yaeli, Friday, November 19, 2010, 5:34am; Reply: 67
Quoted from Lola
Dr D has done it for us, yet again! ;)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066
Just seen it in the Newsletter!   :D  :K)  8)
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Friday, November 19, 2010, 12:45pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from Lola
forget the guess work!

Dr D has done it for us, yet again! ;)
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066


Hey, Lola, does Dr. D have a write-up on Vitamin D and its benefits?  If you have a link, that would be awesome.  :)
Posted by: yaeli, Friday, November 19, 2010, 1:14pm; Reply: 69
Quoted Text
  D'Adamo Personalized Nutrition Special Health Alert: Vitamin D - What You Need to Know
Deficiency in this essential nutrient reaches epidemic proportions.
Dr. Peter D'Adamo formulated Phyto D 2000(TM) to help you protect your health.
  

Vitamin D is an invaluable nutrient that has wide ranging capabilities to protect the body from a variety of issues and diseases. Researchers are continually uncovering new links between a lack of vitamin D and disease, illustrating the fact that it is vital to good health. However, recent studies have also found that most people are deficient in Vitamin D. Recognizing the importance of this essential nutrient, Dr. Peter D'Adamo formulated Phyto D 2000(TM), a blood type friendly source of Vitamin D that he blended with synergistic herbs to enhance its effectiveness.

We typically obtain Vitamin D through sun exposure and through food sources such as egg yolk, milk, fish oil, and other vegetables, but most Americans don't consume enough of these foods, or spend enough time soaking up sunshine to produce adequate amounts of Vitamin D. It's for these reasons that additional supplementation is necessary.

Most of us know that Vitamin D is essential to building strong teeth and bones, however, it is more than just a vitamin; it is a hormone that regulates more than a tenth of human genes and it has wide-ranging effects throughout the body. There is no vitamin more important, yet scientists agree that average levels have never been lower - to the point where it's feared that Vitamin D deficiency is reaching epidemic proportions.

At the same time, with increasing toxic exposures and stresses from lifestyle and environment, our need for this essential nutrient has never been greater. Recognizing this need, Dr. Peter D'Adamo formulated Phyto D 2000(TM) for use in his clinical practice. Phyto D 2000(TM) contains 2000IU of the highest quality Vitamin D3 and is packed with other essential nutrients and synergistic herbs to maximize bone health, improve bone mineral density, and reduce the risk of bone fractures.

Research shows that Vitamin D deficiency may be associated with the following conditions:  
Osteoporosis

Some Cancers

Multiple Sclerosis

Psoriasis

Hyperparathyroidism

Diabetes

Insulin resistance

Hypertension

Heart disease

Respiratory infections

Muscle weakness

Mood and cognitive function

Infectious diseases such as influenza



Extensive research has shown exactly how this mega-nutrient works on the cellular level to provide a lowered risk from many conditions. The benefits of regular supplementation of Phyto D 2000(TM) are myriad; here are just a few:

Inhibited breakdown and improved formation of bone
Increased bone mineralization and density
Decreased risk of osteopenia, osteoporosis, and fracture risk
Improved mood and decreased risk of depression
Improved energy levels and decreased fatigue

Phyto D 2000(TM) (Item Number: NP066)
SRP $24.95
The above quote is the text of NAP's special health alert I received yesterday by email.


Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, November 19, 2010, 2:31pm; Reply: 70
Dr. D prescribes 2,000 ius for daily use... I had a severe deficiency and was on prescription D for many weeks.  From what I'm reading, Endos prescribe 5-10,000 for people like me who are deficient all the time. It could be a thing about absorption.. I always had iron absorption problems as well even eating red meat when I was younger, I'd be anemic.
Posted by: Jane, Friday, November 19, 2010, 2:35pm; Reply: 71
My endo originally had me on 2000IUs but at my last visit upped it to 5000 and 10,000 when I was sick.  In the Northeast, especially in the winter, it's virtually impossible to get any from the sun.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, November 19, 2010, 2:43pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Jane
My endo originally had me on 2000IUs but at my last visit upped it to 5000 and 10,000 when I was sick.  In the Northeast, especially in the winter, it's virtually impossible to get any from the sun.  


Obviously if you're sick, 2,000 ius was not enough.  :)    Even people in the southern states are deficient in D because they work inside all day long.  Everyone should get their D levels tested..unless they want to end up like me with osteoporosis?   My sister even has osteoporosis and she still doesn't know her D levels.. She just lets the doctor boss her around.  ::)  I, working with doctors for 30 + years, don't put up with that.  They are not gods to me.  
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Friday, November 19, 2010, 4:05pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from 815


Obviously if you're sick, 2,000 ius was not enough.  :)    Even people in the southern states are deficient in D because they work inside all day long.  Everyone should get their D levels tested..unless they want to end up like me with osteoporosis?   My sister even has osteoporosis and she still doesn't know her D levels.. She just lets the doctor boss her around.  ::)  I, working with doctors for 30 + years, don't put up with that.  They are not gods to me.  


Every doctor I've ever gone to just shoves me in and out as quickly as possible to get to their next patient, i.e., to make more $$.  None really want to listen to what I have to say, anyway.  Thus, I despise doctors in general and have little use for them.  I respect Dr. D, because his research and my personal experience (when I finally do things correctly) confirm his genius to me.  Even the doc who did my colonoscopy forgot to band my tags, and told me to get yet another appt with him to have it done in his office.  That means more money for him (and less for me) because of another stupid office visit.   ::)
Posted by: angel, Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 1:49am; Reply: 74
I am in th same situation I have been on 50,000 iu every other week for almost 2 years now. even with supplements it is the only way I maintain vitamin D, especially in the winter. Maybe summer after next I can sun worship some more. I take Dr. D's Methyl B and will get the Vitamin D and calcium. I have been told for a long time I need 2000 calcium and vit D too. It hink taking them with dark chocolate is good because it has the magnesium necessary to absorb it all.  :D
Posted by: Curious, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 8:10am; Reply: 75
I saw my skin specialist the other day for a skin check up (everything is fine). I asked him about sun protection versus sunshine for Vitamin D. He said that it would take 2 minutes between 10.00 am and 2.00 pm in the sun and the body would manufacture enough vitamin (you need to have your arms 'naked').
If it only takes such a short time, why do we all have Vitamin D deficiencies?
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 8:20am; Reply: 76
Quoted from Ribbit


It's because they are biased against breastfeeding. :(  3/4 of my babies had it and all they needed was some sunlight.



I totally agree. It has nothing to do with breastfeeding at all.
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 9:37am; Reply: 77
Quoted from Curious
I saw my skin specialist the other day for a skin check up (everything is fine). I asked him about sun protection versus sunshine for Vitamin D. He said that it would take 2 minutes between 10.00 am and 2.00 pm in the sun and the body would manufacture enough vitamin (you need to have your arms 'naked').
If it only takes such a short time, why do we all have Vitamin D deficiencies?


I think MayFlower has given you the answer a couple of posts back ... at least part of the answer anyway ... obesity and vit D deficiency are common, considering the quoted article explains that fat robs the body of it ... so,the more obese we are, the more vit D we need to feed the fat ... gosh, it sounds gross!! but, it seems to be true ...  :)
Posted by: Curious, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 1:10pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from Cristina
I think MayFlower has given you the answer a couple of posts back ... at least part of the answer anyway ... obesity and vit D deficiency are common, considering the quoted article explains that fat robs the body of it ... so,the more obese we are, the more vit D we need to feed the fat ... gosh, it sounds gross!! but, it seems to be true ...  :)

I am not obese. I am skinny - so it can't be the fat that robs my vitamin D.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, November 27, 2010, 5:04pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from Curious
I saw my skin specialist the other day for a skin check up (everything is fine). I asked him about sun protection versus sunshine for Vitamin D. He said that it would take 2 minutes between 10.00 am and 2.00 pm in the sun and the body would manufacture enough vitamin (you need to have your arms 'naked').
If it only takes such a short time, why do we all have Vitamin D deficiencies?


Your doctor is mistaken. It takes longer than "2 minutes"!   It takes 20 mins to 30 mins and all of your arms and legs have to be showing.. tank top and short shorts..and did you know that African Americans have a harder time making D? The darker your skin, the less vitamin D you'll make. People as they age, have a harder time producing D, their bodies can't manufacture it as well as when you're younger.  

You being from Australia which gets very intense sunshine.. Must be nice..:) Have you had your levels checked anyway?
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 5:11pm; Reply: 80
Quoted from 815


Your doctor is mistaken. It takes longer than "2 minutes"!   It takes 20 mins to 30 mins and all of your arms and legs have to be showing.. tank top and short shorts..and did you know that African Americans have a harder time making D? The darker your skin, the less vitamin D you'll make. People as they age, have a harder time producing D, their bodies can't manufacture it as well as when you're younger.  

You being from Australia gets very intense sunshine.. Must be nice..:) Have you had your levels checked anyway?


In Denmark it is only in the months June and July that we get enough from sun AND that is just the low doe- not the higher new doses.


Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 7:10pm; Reply: 81
Quoted from Curious

I am not obese. I am skinny - so it can't be the fat that robs my vitamin D.


Sorry Curious I was not implying you were obese, that is why I said, 'part of the answer', I was just answering you general question about the general trend of vit D deficiency in the population and connecting that to the fact that there is also another trend of general population: being  obese.  Then the link between the two ... but of course, individuality is the rule and there are many other hidden reasons for not absorbing vit D or requiring more than normal for some people ...  :)

Posted by: Desiree, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 8:40pm; Reply: 82
Has anyone looked into Dr. D's D3 w/K?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 27, 2010, 9:51pm; Reply: 83
yes!!!! ;)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, November 27, 2010, 10:45pm; Reply: 84
I would take it except.. He has vitamin K in his D formulation.  I really don't need to have my blood clot any more than it does.  I think he should create a formula for Warriors as well. We have thick blood. I've already had DVT once.   But if I wasn't deficient, I'd take 2,000 iu's a day.

Yes, Desiree, Lola already mentioned it on the previous page..
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Saturday, November 27, 2010, 11:00pm; Reply: 85
The cod liver oil I take contains D3, something like 2000 IU's per tsp, and I'm taking probably twice that.  It's Nordic Naturals, lemon flavor with added D.  CLO is a SF on my SWAMI.  Just perusing the GTD book, I see that CLO is a SF for Hunters, Warriors, and Nomads.  Get the kind with added D3 and it's a win-win!  :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, November 28, 2010, 2:13am; Reply: 86
Cod liver oil ?   :X  I have a problem with lemon. I'm allergic to citrus.  I'm taking Now brand. I tried another brand and I had an allergic reaction to it...
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, November 28, 2010, 8:20am; Reply: 87
Quoted from 815
You being from Australia which gets very intense sunshine.. Must be nice..:) Have you had your levels checked anyway?

Yes, I had my levels checked in January. They were 56 nmol/L (60-160 is the normal range). I will have another check this coming week on Wednesday. I hope my levels are higher now.
Yes, Australia is nice, particularly where I am (Gold Coast), it is subtropical with mild winters and warm/humid summers. Lots of sun.

Posted by: Curious, Sunday, November 28, 2010, 8:21am; Reply: 88
Quoted from Cristina
... but of course, individuality is the rule and there are many other hidden reasons for not absorbing vit D or requiring more than normal for some people ...  :)

Maybe I am not absorbing the vit D. If this is the case I wonder what I could to do increase absorption.

Posted by: Lola, Sunday, November 28, 2010, 8:34am; Reply: 89
the more healthy your gut is, the better you will absorb the nutrients in your compliant food and sups.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, November 28, 2010, 2:35pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from Curious

Yes, I had my levels checked in January. They were 56 nmol/L (60-160 is the normal range).


Really?! That's very interesting how Australia levels are up to 160 and of course the USA is a very conservative 100 or 150 depending on the doctor you go see here !   Pesonally I don't think the scientitsts really know do they?  Makes you wonder.  ::)  My levels barely broke 31 and the young padawan I went to see is telling me my D level is normal.  Normal?
I only go to the primary doctor for the low cost testing.. they get annoyed when I don't follow their advice. lol..
Posted by: Curious, Monday, November 29, 2010, 3:48am; Reply: 91
Quoted from 815
That's very interesting how Australia levels are up to 160 and of course the USA is a very conservative 100 or 150 depending on the doctor you go see here !   Pesonally I don't think the scientitsts really know do they?  ...  My levels barely broke 31 and the young padawan I went to see is telling me my D level is normal.  Normal?

That is interesting, I always thought the guideline levels are the same internationally. 31 is low, my 56 does not sound too bad compared with 31  ;) .

Posted by: purlgirl, Monday, November 29, 2010, 5:24am; Reply: 92
I'm sorry if this has already been discussed - read as much as I could.

Vit K - has something to do w thickening blood - right?
BT  A  has thick blood -  wouldn't Vit K be a bad idea for us?
I didn't see Vit D for dif blood types.

Has Dr D discussed this somewhere? I really would like to understand and make good choices.
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, November 29, 2010, 6:20am; Reply: 93
I do not see Vit D in my lab reports, unless it is disguised under another name, my doc did not checked me for it ... I supposed it is not a required test in Australia due to the amount of sunshine we are usually exposed to, particularly in the Sunshine Coast where I live ... Unless one shows signs of deficiency, or particularly ask for it, it will not be done ...  :)
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Monday, November 29, 2010, 9:28am; Reply: 94
Thought this was interesting
Quoted Text
Assessing Vitamin D Status

Blood Testing:
Currently there are two tests available for physicians to assess vitamin-D status.
One is for the somewhat biologically active precursor 25(OH)D and another for 1,25(OH)D, the most active form, which is converted in the kidney and other organs.
The latter is often normal in the blood even when the precursor 25(OH)D is low or deficient.
The precursor is a better marker of vitamin-D status (or reserves) than the most active 1,25(OH)D form. It is the optimum level of 25(OH)D that is most strongly associated with general good health. (The test values given in this article are for 25(OH)D.) For many years the acceptable level of 25(OH)D has been at least 9 ng/ml (23 nmol/l). Some researchers believe that 20 ng/ml (50 nmol/l) should be the lower acceptable limit72 but Dr. Vieth presents a large amount of data to support his claim that this is far from optimal.3 Optimal levels are certainly at least 32 ng/ml (80 nmol/l) and preferably closer to 40 ng/ml (100 nmol/l).

http://westonaprice.org/abcs-of-nutrition/168-miracle-of-vitamin-d.html
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 8:35am; Reply: 95
Fatty fish, egg yolks green leafy veggies....these are best sources of K.....
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:49am; Reply: 96
Quoted from Curious

That is interesting, I always thought the guideline levels are the same internationally. 31 is low, my 56 does not sound too bad compared with 31  ;) .


So did I !  :) I just looked at my test results and the "normal high range" is 100 .
un-be-lievable.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:52am; Reply: 97
Quoted from Lola
Fatty fish, egg yolks green leafy veggies....these are best sources of K.....


For me yes..! That's how I should get my K

I think the vegetable with the highest level of K in it is broccoli
I wasn't allowed to eat large amounts of broccoli when I was on coumadin for DVT. On my SWAMI it's a neutral.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 12:17pm; Reply: 98
I specifically asked for a Vitamin D test at my last checkup. I got a call yesterday that my vitamin D levels were low, and I should start taking 2,000 iu per day, then get it re-checked in 3 months.

I told her that I'm already taking 4-5,000 iu daily, and she said she'd talk to the dr and get back to me. I also asked for a copy of all my lab results, as right now I don't know which kind of Vitamin D test was run or what my actual numbers were.

So if 5,000 iu of D3 per day means I still have low levels of Vitamin D, does this mean I should take higher amounts of D or should I be doing something else to help it get absorbed better?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 5:24pm; Reply: 99
How long have you taken 5000 iu each day?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 5:25pm; Reply: 100
A year or two. This is the first time I asked for the vitamin D test, mainly because I wanted to make sure I wasn't taking too much.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:06pm; Reply: 101
I've spent the afternoon trying to figure out what I should do about my vitamin D intake.

The doctor hasn't gotten back to me after telling me to take 2,000 iu per day (I'm already taking double that and still got a low level.)

I'm finding lots of information about "recomended doses" which tells me one of three things: I should take 400 iu per day, 2,000 iu per day, or 5,000 iu per day. Nowhere is there any advice about what to do if 5,000 iu per day isn't enough, other than "talk to your doctor" but she hasn't called me back.

Mercola's website is trying to sell me a tanning lamp instead of giving advice about oral dosage.

Basically, I want to know if I should be taking a higher oral dose, or if I need to do something else to help me absorb it better. Are my vitamin D levels low because I simply have a very high need for it and I haven't been taking enough, or is it because something is keeping me from absorbing what's in those pills? And if that's the case, will a higher dose help anyway, or is there something else I should be doing?
Posted by: Curious, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:26pm; Reply: 102
Quoted from Henriette Bsec

Ruthiegirl, did you see the link Henriette posted a few posts earlier (thanks Henriette). It answered all my questions concerning Vitamin D. It talks about some of the foods high in Vitamin D, and also what you can do to increase absorption.

Posted by: shoulderblade, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:33pm; Reply: 103
Quoted from ruthiegirl


Basically, I want to know if I should be taking a higher oral dose, or if I need to do something else to help me absorb it better. Are my vitamin D levels low because I simply have a very high need for it and I haven't been taking enough, or is it because something is keeping me from absorbing what's in those pills? And if that's the case, will a higher dose help anyway, or is there something else I should be doing?


As far as I know 400 I.U. is the recomended daily dose, 2000 I.U is the conventional maximum daily dose and anything higher is supposed to be taken only with a Dr.'s recomendation and supervision.

Standards are a little askew here both in terms of what is a reasonable dosage as well as what is an adequate blood level of the Vitamin. I think this is because it has suddenly been discovered that Vitamin D is really important but no one really seems to know all that much about it.

Since Vitamin D works with Vitamin K it would seem like a good idea to make sure you are getting lot of it as well.

Vitamin K foods

Looks like you will have to sit down with your Doctor and have a good talk about the situation.

Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 11:39pm; Reply: 104
Sometime injections or large oral doses are given to those severally deficient in D.

I have read of doses up to 600,000 iu. Obviously do not try something that large without medical guidance.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 12:21pm; Reply: 105
The woman from the dr's office called back at 8:00 PM. I hadn't expected a call so late- I'd already given up on them for the day.

She told me to take 10,000 iu per day, and then get my vitamin D levels re-tested in 3 months.

I still don't know which vitamin D test was done, or what my actual numbers were. I requested a copy of all my labwork when I spoke to her the first time; I'll request it all again if I don't receive it in a few days.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:28pm; Reply: 106
Quoted from purlgirl
I'm sorry if this has already been discussed - read as much as I could.

Vit K - has something to do w thickening blood - right?
BT  A  has thick blood -  wouldn't Vit K be a bad idea for us?
I didn't see Vit D for dif blood types.

Has Dr D discussed this somewhere? I really would like to understand and make good choices.


I was checking to see what to put in my next order and came across the Phyto D2000 mentioned in this thread as well and wondered if it is new... Can't remember seeing it before.

And then the question purl asked came up as well.
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:42pm; Reply: 107
Vitamin K does not work on the same coagulation pathways that make the blood of type A individuals more viscous. Vitamin K interferes with prothrombin (factor II) and factors VII, IX, X. Type A's have more viscosity due to increases in von Willebrand Factor and Factor VIII. Only vWF plays a role in the endothelial issues that give them more proneness to arterial problems.
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:51pm; Reply: 108
Quoted from Dr. D
Vitamin K does not work on the same coagulation pathways that make the blood of type A individuals more viscous. Vitamin K interferes with prothrombin (factor II) and factors VII, IX, X. Type A's have more viscosity due to increases in von Willebrand Factor and Factor VIII. Only vWF plays a role in the endothelial issues that give them more proneness to arterial problems.



I'll take that as a NO (it does not thicken your blood).  ;D ;D  8)



(with these very technical (can you say that for medical lingo?) terms, I'm not always sure I understand everything correctly. That happens if English is not your mother tongue.)

Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:58pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from SandrAruba



I'll take that as a NO (it does not thicken your blood).  ;D ;D  8)



(with these very technical (can you say that for medical lingo?) terms, I'm not always sure I understand everything correctly. That happens if English is not your mother tongue.)



Definitely no. See? You're doing just fine!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 9:06pm; Reply: 110
:)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 9:12pm; Reply: 111
http://pureencapsulations.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=VD11

prescribed 2K/day.

I also use a UVB light (small thing that attaches to a tripod for an equivalent of about 20 minutes of sun exposure around 3x a week when the sun hibernates. I rotate it to different parts of my body and wear a ski mask and gloves, protective sunglasses. I look outrageous doing it, but feel absolutely fantastic for it. I also make sure to get some antioxidents after, veg, green tea, etc. I also heard watermelon (and some other tropicals?) is protective especially for sun exposure. So I will enjoy that while I can get it.  :)


(sunny)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 12:17am; Reply: 112
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I specifically asked for a Vitamin D test at my last checkup. I got a call yesterday that my vitamin D levels were low, and I should start taking 2,000 iu per day, then get it re-checked in 3 months.


What was your level Ruthie?  My biochemist I work with said you probably weren't absorbing the D because it was a low quality brand.  Were you taking D3?

Posted by: SandrAruba, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 6:59am; Reply: 113
But seriously, it's difficult sometimes to understand what is written. At times I read an article and after my most intelligent thought for that day "huh, say what?" I just give up.

Maybe it's a matter of getting a hang of the medical terms, but it's sure hard.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:46am; Reply: 114
Quoted from ruthiegirl

Basically, I want to know if I should be taking a higher oral dose, or if I need to do something else to help me absorb it better. Are my vitamin D levels low because I simply have a very high need for it and I haven't been taking enough, or is it because something is keeping me from absorbing what's in those pills? And if that's the case, will a higher dose help anyway, or is there something else I should be doing?


Definitely take D3.  There may even be some water soluble forms (some with absorption problems have trouble absorbing fats).  The NAP formulation looks great.  I used to take a D3 that was derived from lanolin, and it worked well for me.  When I had a deficiency (just in stored form, but with symptoms) I took the equivalent of about 8000 IU per day, but in a 50,000 IU weekly dose.  I took that for about two years, with little change in levels, then smartened up and switched from the prescription D2 to D3 and my levels got fine fast.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 1:57pm; Reply: 115
Quoted from Dr. D
Vitamin K does not work on the same coagulation pathways that make the blood of type A individuals more viscous. Vitamin K interferes with prothrombin (factor II) and factors VII, IX, X. Type A's have more viscosity due to increases in von Willebrand Factor and Factor VIII. Only vWF plays a role in the endothelial issues that give them more proneness to arterial problems.


Well, I had been taking multi vitamins that had vitamin K in them and I didn't develop any DVT during that time..except I did have trouble giving blood and they told me it was too thick. ...Was I just dehydrated? hmm. :-/
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 2:39pm; Reply: 116
I asked the lady from the doctor's office to mail me a copy of all my lab tests, but I haven't yet received them. I don't know what my vitamin D level is, or even which vitamin D test was run. All I know is "my Vitamin D levels were low" and everything else was "normal," except for the urine test that had "high protein" but was re-run and that test was "normal."

It's very frustrating for me, not having this information at my fingertips. I think next time I'll have the bloodwork done before my appointment, so we can discuss the results at my checkup, and I can walk out of there with a photocopy of all labwork.

I'd been taking vitamin D-3 from Trader Joe's. The ingredients are simply vitamin D-3 (1,000 iu per capsule), olive oil, and softgel capsule (gelatin, glycerin, water.) Yesterday I purchased Nature's Bounty vitamin D3, 5,000 iu per capsule. The other ingredients are soybean oil, gelatin,and vegetable glycerin.

SandAruba- I sometimes get confused with medical terms, and my first language IS English. Medical terms are mainly Latin anyway.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 3:02pm; Reply: 117
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I'd been taking vitamin D-3 from Trader Joe's. The ingredients are simply vitamin D-3 (1,000 iu per capsule), olive oil, and softgel capsule (gelatin, glycerin, water.) Yesterday I purchased Nature's Bounty vitamin D3, 5,000 iu per capsule. The other ingredients are soybean oil, gelatin,and vegetable glycerin..


I tried Natures Pride. I broke out in in a rash from it.   We can assume that Trader Joe's D is bad.  I don't understand why you couldn't go on prescription D. It would have been a lot cheaper for you.  Like a dollar co pay right?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 3:07pm; Reply: 118
Isn't the prescription stuff all D2? Not to mention the fact that most prescription drugs contain random weird ingredients, such as corn starch, artificial colors, etc. And why can we assume that the Trader Joe's stuff is bad?

Isn't it possible that I simply need more than 5,000 iu of D per day to maintain healthy levels? Lots of things I've read online suggest that amount for "healthy individuals" and I have Fibromyalgia- a condition that's often associated with low vitamin D levels.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 3:12pm; Reply: 119
Hmm. Let me ask a pharmacist. We have them downstairs.  I'll get back to you on that. But it raised my levels a bit..not a ton but a bit so that proves it is better than Trader Joes D .  My level was 26.. and I took 1 cap of 50,000 ius of D a week. after about 10 weeks my levels were up to 31.
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 4:19pm; Reply: 120
31 is still low, isn't it?  Mine were in the high 30s and my endo told me to take 10,000 IUs while I was sick and then 5000 IUs after that.  I asked the pharmacist at the compounding pharmacy that I go to recommend a brand - don't remember the name offhand - hadn't seen it before.  I was taking the Whole Foods brand 1000s but it has soy oil in it and on 2000 IUs a day plus what's in my Cal Mag Zinc, I wasn't getting enough.  I also wasn't taking it with food which I'm now doing.  
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 5:45pm; Reply: 121
Quoted from Jane
31 is still low, isn't it?  Mine were in the high 30s and my endo told me to take 10,000 IUs while I was sick and then 5000 IUs after that.  I asked the pharmacist at the compounding pharmacy that I go to recommend a brand - don't remember the name offhand - hadn't seen it before.  I was taking the Whole Foods brand 1000s but it has soy oil in it and on 2000 IUs a day plus what's in my Cal Mag Zinc, I wasn't getting enough.  I also wasn't taking it with food which I'm now doing.  


31 is too low in my opinion.  You have to keep getting tested and get your level up high enough to be protective. I don't want to tell you what that number should be....but the information out there is pretty vague unless you follow the guidelines of the Vitamin D council which is what I'm doing.
And my osteopath agrees.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 7:34pm; Reply: 122
OK, I got all my lab results in today's mail. I'll share the vitamin D page on this thread.

Vitamin D, 25-OH, Total 34 ng/mL
Vitamin D, 25-OH, D3 34 ng/mL
Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2 <4 ng/mL

Then there's a bunch of stuff at the bottom saying that < 20 is a deficiency, 20-30 is an insuficiency, and optimal levels are = or > 30. I'm glad my doctor is knowledgable enough to realize that 34 is low, in spite of the information the lab gave with the results.

On another thread, I want to list all my lab results, especially if I'm near the edge of the range on any of them. I don't 100% trust that "within normal range" means "optimal health" on any of these tests.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 7:36pm; Reply: 123
Quoted from ruthiegirl
OK, I got all my lab results in today's mail. I'll share the vitamin D page on this thread.

Vitamin D, 25-OH, Total 34 ng/mL
Vitamin D, 25-OH, D3 34 ng/mL
Vitamin D, 25-OH, D2 <4 ng/mL

Then there's a bunch of stuff at the bottom saying that < 20 is a deficiency, 20-30 is an insuficiency, and optimal levels are = or > 30. I'm glad my doctor is knowledgable enough to realize that 34 is low, in spite of the information the lab gave with the results.

On another thread, I want to list all my lab results, especially if I'm near the edge of the range on any of them. I don't 100% trust that "within normal range" means "optimal health" on any of these tests.


What was the amount of D you were taking prior to your blood test?

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 7:59pm; Reply: 124
4,ooo-5,000 iu per day. I had 1,000 iu capsules and took 4 or 5  a day, not really being careful to keep track of exactly how much.
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:10pm; Reply: 125
Quoted from ruthiegirl
4,ooo-5,000 iu per day. I had 1,000 iu capsules and took 4 or 5  a day, not really being careful to keep track of exactly how much.


for how long?
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:12pm; Reply: 126
If your capsules of D3 are not working, you could try the sublingual D3.  At the moment, I'm taking 5000 IU/day, 5 days a week, and it brought my levels up to 70.
Posted by: Jane, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:19pm; Reply: 127
You need to take it with a meal including fat for it to be effective too.  I hadn't realized that.  Now I'm taking it with my breakfast.  I was taking it before bed with my cal-mag-zinc.  I take my thyroid meds in the morning first thing and there has to be 4 hours between that and the calcium.  Sometimes I think there aren't enough hours in the day for all the stuff I take.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:26pm; Reply: 128
I've been taking the 4,000 iu or so a day for about a year, and I've been taking it with or right after breakfast.

Though, when I stop to think about it, I might have skipped some days, or taken only 3,000iu some days.

I think I'll stick with the oral D3 I just bought and see how my numbers look in 3 months when I get the blood test re-done. My only question right now is whether I should take 10,000 iu per day as my doctor ordered, or if I should take a higher amount for a few days, to bring my levels up more quickly, before settling into 10,000 iu per day.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 10:19pm; Reply: 129
Anybody with vitamin D concerns or low levels on any vitamin D test should really see an endocrinologist.  All other doctors don't know as much about it as they think they do, and for me that was dangerous.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:07pm; Reply: 130
I'm getting my D levels checked by a doctor every 3 months. If they still aren't going up, I'm seeing an Endo.  

Ruthie at least your levels are higher than mine.  Mine are 31 !    I also read that we are supposed to take the D with the largest meal of the day for best absorption.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:11pm; Reply: 131
Quoted from shoulderblade


As far as I know 400 I.U. is the recomended daily dose, 2000 I.U is the conventional maximum daily dose and anything higher is supposed to be taken only with a Dr.'s recomendation and supervision.


Bruce, 400 ius is old school. All of the doctors now say minimum of 1,000 ius a day even for children.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:15pm; Reply: 132
Quoted from Jane
31 is still low, isn't it?  Mine were in the high 30s and my endo told me to take 10,000 IUs while I was sick and then 5000 IUs after that.  I asked the pharmacist at the compounding pharmacy that I go to recommend a brand - don't remember the name offhand - hadn't seen it before.  I was taking the Whole Foods brand 1000s but it has soy oil in it and on 2000 IUs a day plus what's in my Cal Mag Zinc, I wasn't getting enough.  I also wasn't taking it with food which I'm now doing.  


I and Chloe agree it's still too low. My doctor thinks it's normal.. ::)  (a grasshopper)  I'm trying to get my levels up to at least 90.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:18pm; Reply: 133
I think I'll stick with what I'm doing until my next re-check. If the numbers are still low in 3 months, I'll ask for a referral to an endocrinologist.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:23pm; Reply: 134
We just need brands of D that we can absorb. That's the only problem. I'll find out next month if I'm absorbing Now brand.
Posted by: Eric, Friday, December 3, 2010, 4:13am; Reply: 135
Been taking 10,000 IUs for the last 3 months.. never felt better.  Here's some interesting peer-reviewed articles (abstracts) regarding the safety of high does of D:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19918922

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729890

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19101755

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18802363

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18525006

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20136906

Idaho + winter + school = no sunshine :/
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 3, 2010, 4:59pm; Reply: 136
Thanks Eric. The last link doesn't mention how much D is to be taken though...
I hope you get your levels tested.. Vitamin D is fat soluable and it's not a good idea to just randomly take 10,000 ius without knowing your levels.. :)  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 3, 2010, 5:00pm; Reply: 137
BTW Ruthie, the 50,000 ius is D2. You are correct. It did raise my levels but not by much..and that was in the summer..
Posted by: shoulderblade, Friday, December 3, 2010, 6:13pm; Reply: 138
Quoted from 815


Bruce, 400 ius is old school. All of the doctors now say minimum of 1,000 ius a day even for children.


True, but no one changes the RDA, do they? It seems that once you abandon the base level you are left on your own to come up with a solution that you can convince yourself makes sense. It does seem that RDA standards, once in effect, take on a permanent quality that resists alteration by any further research but there is really no other general standard aside from someones opinion or the results of your own research.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 3, 2010, 7:01pm; Reply: 139
The base level of 400 ius is clearly wrong. The doctors said that because they didn't know and decided on a nice round figure.  We make 10-30 thousand ius in one sun bath..in the summer..
Posted by: shoulderblade, Friday, December 3, 2010, 8:18pm; Reply: 140
Possibly. Thing is that knowing something is wrong is not much help in finding what is right.

Take Vitamin C. Last time I heard the RDA was 60 mg./day but if you go to a Drug Store you can't find anything containing less than 250 mg. The base figure seems to be wrong but who decieded that 4X+ that level was right? The consumer, the Vitamin maker, Vitamin promoters, health gurus...??

The whole system lacks credible authority.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, December 3, 2010, 8:25pm; Reply: 141
check how much D actually is in Dr D s D......
serves as a guide
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066
Posted by: shoulderblade, Friday, December 3, 2010, 9:27pm; Reply: 142
Quoted from Lola
check how much D actually is in Dr D s D......
serves as a guide
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066


My apology, almost void of credible authority. Generally letting go of old benchmarks leaves you adrift in a sea of speculation.

Posted by: Curious, Friday, December 3, 2010, 10:48pm; Reply: 143
I got my results for the Vitamin D test back (D3). In January it was 56 nmol/L (equivalent of 22ng/ml), now it is 50 nmol/L (equivalent of 20 mg/ml)  :'(. So it has gone down - I am not happy.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, December 3, 2010, 11:09pm; Reply: 144
Curious, what have you done different since your previous test?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 3, 2010, 11:50pm; Reply: 145
Quoted from Curious
I got my results for the Vitamin D test back (D3). In January it was 56 nmol/L (equivalent of 22ng/ml), now it is 50 nmol/L (equivalent of 20 mg/ml)  :'(. So it has gone down - I am not happy.


Are you taking the same vitamin D? The same dosage? Seems like your body isn't absorbing it.

I'm going to try Dr. D's vitamin D as soon as I have $25 ... :-/
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, December 4, 2010, 2:13pm; Reply: 146
I received a health report in the regular mail, touting the effects and importance of Strontium, that it is clearly more effective for building healthy bones than calcium and D combined...hmm.  It helps weak bones become stronger and less able to fracture!  So I thought. I wonder if Dr. D has this... And....behold...
it's in his Phyto D formula!  :o  The man has been there done that..! Impressive...most impressive...

So, I'm like, Why doesn't Dr. D have it in his multi mineral formulas as well..??  Because it competes with calcium for absorption and calcium always wins!  So you have to NOT take the Phyto D with your calcium but far away from it.
Yep, he's been there...done that.

Oh, and it's on sale..$19.99 (would be nice if they could keep it at that price.??)   When I get paid next week I have to get some before the free shipping is over!

And another thing! Dr. D advocates 4,0000 ius a day of D. His phyto D formula is 2,000 ius, 1 cap twice a day! I
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, December 4, 2010, 5:16pm; Reply: 147
I don't think that Strontium is in anything he recommended that I take.  I looked and it's not there. :-/  I don't believe they sell any of his fabulous supplements at the UB.  

I am getting ready to place an order for a few things and I think I will add that too!  Great find Mayflowers, you da bomb baby. ;D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:13am; Reply: 148
Quoted from Frosty


I am getting ready to place an order for a few things and I think I will add that too!  Great find Mayflowers, you da bomb baby. ;D


Hey we osteo's have to stick together! ;D :D
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:17am; Reply: 149
Quoted from Victoria
Curious, what have you done different since your previous test?


Victoria, I am not sure what I have done differently. I have taken D3 drops by BioCeuticals (recommended by my naturopath) after the low reading in January. I took 3 drops once a day (that should have given me 3000 IU). Then I went on holidays for 6 weeks and the drops ran out. I got lots of sunshine in the first 3 weeks of holidays and less in the second 3 weeks. Since I have been back (middle of August) I have not taken any supplements.

I got the drops again yesterday and decided to take 3 drops twice a day. That should give me 6000IU.

I am suprised that the reading this time was lower than the reading in January, but I can't explain it.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:33am; Reply: 150
If there are folks who can't seem to absorb D3 by ingesting it, does it help to topically apply the contents of a capsule to the skin?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 6:02pm; Reply: 151
Curious- so it sounds like you had a low reading in January (when it was summer for you) and then you stopped taking the supplements in the middle of winter?

It seems to me that you simply weren't taking enough vitamin D, and you weren't taking it long enough. I suggest that you keep taking the drops right now AND get as much sunshine as you can. The combination should increase your D levels fairly quickly.

You'll probably need to increase your D intake even more when it gets cold out again. When the bottle runs out, you need to buy another one (or another brand of vitamin D supplement) rather than stopping when you run out.
Posted by: Curious, Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 8:35am; Reply: 152
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Curious- so it sounds like you had a low reading in January (when it was summer for you) and then you stopped taking the supplements in the middle of winter?

It seems to me that you simply weren't taking enough vitamin D, and you weren't taking it long enough. I suggest that you keep taking the drops right now AND get as much sunshine as you can. The combination should increase your D levels fairly quickly.

You'll probably need to increase your D intake even more when it gets cold out again. When the bottle runs out, you need to buy another one (or another brand of vitamin D supplement) rather than stopping when you run out.

That is good advice, thanks ruthiegirl.

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 2:30pm; Reply: 153
Here's a thought...can we make vitamin D from tanning beds?
Posted by: shoulderblade, Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 4:40pm; Reply: 154
Quoted from 815
Here's a thought...can we make vitamin D from tanning beds?


Pretty iffy, in my opinion. First the spectrum provided by the bulbs is not going to be the same as sunlight and secondly the spectrum is going to vary from one brand or type of bulb to another. I have seen tanning beds advertised as Vitamin D producers but that may only be the opinion of the providers.

In theory you could have a bulb designed to create radiation to produce the vitamin but it would have to be well researched which I don't think most commercial outlets are. It could be at least as productive as sunlight as long as the correct wavelenghts were sustained.

Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 10:51pm; Reply: 155
Quoted from 815


So, I'm like, Why doesn't Dr. D have it in his multi mineral formulas as well..??  Because it competes with calcium for absorption and calcium always wins!  So you have to NOT take the Phyto D with your calcium but far away from it.
Yep, he's been there...done that.

I wanted to get back to this because I have not heard this about Vit D and calcium competing for absorption.  Everything I can find seems to say the opposite;  

Do you have any info on this for us to read?  (book2)
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 1:16am; Reply: 156
Quoted from Victoria

I wanted to get back to this because I have not heard this about Vit D and calcium competing for absorption.  Everything I can find seems to say the opposite;  

Do you have any info on this for us to read?  (book2)


I am finding the same thing...take D with calcium..
See #11

http://www.realsolutionsmag.com/ezine/31/issue31c.asp

And see #12
Calcium competes with magnesium
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 4:18am; Reply: 157
Maybe Mayflowers was confusing vit. D with magnesium, which does compete with calcium.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:39pm; Reply: 158
Quoted from Victoria
Maybe Mayflowers was confusing vit. D with magnesium, which does compete with calcium.


Victoria, I think you didn't read the whole post. ;)  Strontium competes with calcium and magnesium for absorption.. I in no way said that calcium and magnesium competes with D.. lol ;)

That's why Dr. D has it with the D formula instead of with the multi mineral formula..
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 5:26pm; Reply: 159
Quoted from 815


Victoria, I think you didn't read the whole post. ;)  Strontium competes with calcium and magnesium for absorption.. I in no way said that calcium and magnesium competes with D.. lol ;)

That's why Dr. D has it with the D formula instead of with the multi mineral formula..


(blush) I am blushing!  ;)  Thank you for the edification, Diana!

" . . Strontium, that it is clearly more effective for building healthy bones than calcium and D combined...hmm.  It helps weak bones become stronger and less able to fracture!  So I thought. I wonder if Dr. D has this... And....behold...
it's in his Phyto D formula!    The man has been there done that..! Impressive...most impressive...

So, I'm like, Why doesn't Dr. D have it in his multi mineral formulas as well..??  Because it competes with calcium for absorption and calcium always wins!  So you have to NOT take the Phyto D with your calcium but far away from it."

My eyes got stuck on your last sentence and made me forget the rest of what you had written.  (eek)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 6:43pm; Reply: 160
Just how much vitamin D can my body make if I try to spend time in the sun? It's wintertime, which is a double-whammy: it's too cold to expose more of my skin than just my face, and the sun's rays aren't very strong this time of year. But I do have light skin and my ancestors came from northern climates as well.

If I took a 10 minute walk around noon, would I make any significant amount of D? What if I took a walk around 2 PM?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 9, 2010, 7:38pm; Reply: 161
Quoted from ruthiegirl
Just how much vitamin D can my body make if I try to spend time in the sun? It's wintertime, which is a double-whammy: it's too cold to expose more of my skin than just my face, and the sun's rays aren't very strong this time of year. But I do have light skin and my ancestors came from northern climates as well.

If I took a 10 minute walk around noon, would I make any significant amount of D? What if I took a walk around 2 PM?


With the sun in the winter position being closer to the planet, you wouldn't get very much intensity..would  take longer than in the summer to make the same amount of D. That's why I was asking about the tanning beds..If they are safe enough to make D and do they even make D?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, December 9, 2010, 7:40pm; Reply: 162
Quoted from Victoria

(blush) I am blushing!  ;)  Thank you for the edification, Diana!
My eyes got stuck on your last sentence and made me forget the rest of what you had written.  (eek)


Oh, that's ok.. :K) I miss things as well..
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, December 9, 2010, 8:06pm; Reply: 163
So am I wasting my time trying to take walks outside during the wintertime? Is there any value at all to getting some sunshine vs exercising indoors?

I'm wondering if there's something about sunlight-induced Vitamin D production that might help me absorb the supplemental D3 even better.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 10, 2010, 12:47am; Reply: 164
I don't know Ruthie... Maybe Dr. D will answer... :-/
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, December 10, 2010, 1:46am; Reply: 165
I think that a large amount of skin has to be exposed to the sunlight in order for it to produce Vit. D.
Posted by: shoulderblade, Friday, December 10, 2010, 4:54pm; Reply: 166
Quoted from ruthiegirl
So am I wasting my time trying to take walks outside during the wintertime? Is there any value at all to getting some sunshine vs exercising indoors?



Well I am not Dr. D but I think that at your latitude, due to sunlight volume and temperature, there are only 4 months of the year that are worthwhile for Vitamin D production. I would think that Oct. - Mar. are a waste of time. In theory the body is supposed to make its own supply and store away enough to last the winter. Looks like some form of supplementation is in order.

In Canada more people die in March than any other month of the year. There may be a connection there.
Posted by: Cristina, Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:29pm; Reply: 167
Sunlight is good not only for the Vit D, but also to keep that hormonal thing behind the eyes active ... just by closing your eyes every day for a few minutes and facing the sun ... I think we have a discussion about this somewhere ...  :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, December 12, 2010, 2:54pm; Reply: 168
Well, I got my D levels checked again.  It takes 7 days to get results.. ::)  Been taking 5,000-10,000 ius a day. Will report back.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, December 12, 2010, 3:35pm; Reply: 169
Tanning beds & vitamin D

http://www.all-tanning-beds.com/tanning-safety/do-tanning-beds-help-you-get-vitamin-d.html
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 11:46pm; Reply: 170
Got my latest D level test results back today.. My level is now....drumroll...  34.4
wow.  That's 3 1/2 months on 5,000-10,000 ius a day or more including D in food and other vitamins.  :( So who was it that said Oh you could be getting too much?  ::)
Posted by: Curious, Sunday, December 19, 2010, 12:49pm; Reply: 171
Did anyone look into the role of the parathyroid? Apparently it has something to do how we metabolise Vitamin D and calcium.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, December 19, 2010, 3:56pm; Reply: 172
Quoted from Curious
Did anyone look into the role of the parathyroid? Apparently it has something to do how we metabolise Vitamin D and calcium.


I've had thyroid panels done yearly. My thyroid is totally normal.  :)
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, December 19, 2010, 5:33pm; Reply: 173
Quoted from Curious
Did anyone look into the role of the parathyroid? Apparently it has something to do how we metabolise Vitamin D and calcium.


http://parathyroid.com/parathyroid-function.htm

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Friday, December 24, 2010, 11:02pm; Reply: 174
Took my Army son to the doctor last Saturday to make sure he was ok and I asked the doctor to check his vitamin D levels..so the doctor looks at me and laughs! He said why? He's a kid! He's fine! I said please just do it anyway. So he reluctantly agreed..   Oh, guess what? My son's level is 27 .... So what was that doctor laughing at?  He should know better than to question me...
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, December 25, 2010, 12:48am; Reply: 175
Quoted from 815
Took my Army son to the doctor last Saturday to make sure he was ok and I asked the doctor to check his vitamin D levels..so the doctor looks at me and laughs! He said why? He's a kid! He's fine! I said please just do it anyway. So he reluctantly agreed..   Oh, guess what? My son's level is 27 .... So what was that doctor laughing at?  He should know better than to question me...



You're a very smart mom to have insisted your son get tested:)....Most everyone is deficient in
vitamin D.  What did the doctor say after he saw your son's low level of D?


Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, December 25, 2010, 4:17am; Reply: 176
Quoted from Chloe
You're a very smart mom to have insisted your son get tested:)....Most everyone is deficient in vitamin D.  What did the doctor say after he saw your son's low level of D?


Thanks Chloe..He said to put him on 1-2000 a day over the counter... ::)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 6:12pm; Reply: 177
My oldest son's vitamin D level just came back today.. 17   ::)   That kid worries me. He's a very picky eater..  I've been giving him 5,000 ius since he got sick every day. He drinks a lot of milk..I wonder if that caused the malabsorption...?  I can't get him off cow's milk.. but it's beneficial for a B.. Except I think he's a Nomad
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 8:57pm; Reply: 178
What did the doctor who laughed at you when you wanted him to test it say?  
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 9:31pm; Reply: 179
Quoted from 815
My oldest son's vitamin D level just came back today.. 17   ::)   That kid worries me. He's a very picky eater..  I've been giving him 5,000 ius since he got sick every day. He drinks a lot of milk..I wonder if that caused the malabsorption...?  I can't get him off cow's milk.. but it's beneficial for a B.. Except I think he's a Nomad


Try switching him to cream, heavy cream, whipping cream, by different names. Nomads may do better with it.
You can add water. ;)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 4:51pm; Reply: 180
Quoted from Jane
What did the doctor who laughed at you when you wanted him to test it say?  


No, the doctor laughed at me with Niki who's D level is 27 and below normal as well... (They have no idea who they're dealing with)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 4:53pm; Reply: 181
Quoted from san j


Try switching him to cream, heavy cream, whipping cream, by different names. Nomads may do better with it.
You can add water. ;)


I can try.. he loves cream, and whipped cream.. He's lost a lot of weight. He looks like a 6'3" string bean.  
Posted by: san j, Saturday, January 8, 2011, 5:15am; Reply: 182
Quoted from 815


I can try.. he loves cream, and whipped cream.. He's lost a lot of weight. He looks like a 6'3" string bean.  


1. Did you try the cream with him? Tasty, huh?
2. Nomads don't necessarily gain weight with cream. I think it's because the "fill" factor is strong. You know, you don't feel as hungry afterward, it's so rich. You use less. You eat less.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 3:12pm; Reply: 183
I was doing some reading on vitamin D.  Vitamin D2 is the vegetarian version and D3 is the animal derived version.  I didn't know that..   :-/  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 7:11pm; Reply: 184

I got my results from my vitamin D re-test today.

On November 17th, my total vitamin D level was 34. This was after a couple of years of taking 4,000-5,000 iu daily. So, the doctor tells me to start taking 2,000 iu daily.  ::) When I reminded her that this was my level WITH taking 5,000 a day, she told me to take 10,000 iu daily and get re-checked in 3 months.

I started taking 10,000 iu per day after speaking to the doctor's office. When DD1 got sick in January, I upped my dosage to 20,000 per day for a while, then to 15,000. Now I take 2 or 3 pills (5,000 iu each) per day. I'm not really consistent on the amount, but I've been sure that it's at least 10,000 iu each day.

I went for another vitamin D test last Thursday (2/24) and got the results today. My levels are up to 83!! The doctor's instructions are now to drop down to 1,000 iu per day, and retest in 3 months.

According to the Vitamin D Council, my levels are actually a bit too high. On this page, they state that healthy levels are between 50 and 80 ng/mL

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/deficiency/am-i-vitamin-d-deficient.shtml

Should I try to get my vitamin D level to drop a bit? Should I stop taking it for a week or so then restart? How much should I take when I start back up? I'm afraid that if I drop down to 1,000 iu per day for 3 months, I'll be deficient again. I was deficient after taking 5,000 iu daily for years.

I'm not having much luck communicating with my doctor via telephone, as she doesn't make her own calls. I have to speak through the (secretary? receptionist? nurse?) who makes the calls- she'll tell me something crazy (like take 2,000 iu per day to correct a deficiency I developed while taking 5,000 iu per day) and then I tell her my concerns, she talks to the dr and then calls me back the next day. I'm wondering if I should make an appointment to see her again so I can discuss this properly, or if I should try and figure this out on my own.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 7:42pm; Reply: 185
Ruthie, are you using D3?
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 7:43pm; Reply: 186
Quoted from 815
My oldest son's vitamin D level just came back today.. 17   ::)   That kid worries me. He's a very picky eater..  I've been giving him 5,000 ius since he got sick every day. He drinks a lot of milk..I wonder if that caused the malabsorption...?  I can't get him off cow's milk.. but it's beneficial for a B.. Except I think he's a Nomad


Is your oldest son a non-secretor?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:00pm; Reply: 187
Yes, I'm using D3,and I always have.

I already decided not to take any today, but I'm not sure what to do after that. I'm thinking of not taking any at all for a few days, maybe a whole week.

Then I need to decide how much I should take each day once I resume. 5,000 iu per day is  the level I was taking for years when I developed the deficiency. I can't imagine I'd ever go under that. 10,000 iu per day is what the doctor thinks I've been taking all this time, although in reality I've been taking more. I'm thinking that maybe going back to what she recomended in the first place will keep me at a healthy level.

Or I could make an appointment with her so I can actually discuss this with her face to face, and explain that I took more than recomended, share my concerns about taking too little, and get her educated opinion without going through the receptionist. But I honestly don't know how much she knows about nutrition and vitamin supplements- will her opinion be any better than what I can get on this forum?
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:04pm; Reply: 188
I have followed this post from the beginning and was hesitant to add a different perspective not wanting to start a debate. Recently, my ND started telling all of her patients to stop taking extra Vitamin D. She explained several reasons that I can't duplicate but she also gave all of her patients the following which I found online. I know there is a lot of info to the contrary but there is also some thought provoking data inline with the following artice. In the end, we all have to do what we feel is right, but it is always good to see all sides before making decisions. If anyone is interested:

http://vitamins.lovetoknow.com/Vitamin_D_Overdose

I am no longer adding D3 to my daily vitamins. And just as a FYI, my ND will be attending Dr. D's conference in May and she has studied under him. Obviously, not all professionals will agree on everything.

One of the things my ND said that stuck with me was our body cannot get rid of excess vitamin D. It has to be utilized and will take a very long time to get rid of excess. It is stored in fat cells at toxic levels and makes people sick. She feels what we get in a daily vitamin is plently and is critical of the methods used in testing actual levels.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:16pm; Reply: 189
the form of vit D is key

the chemical one should be avoided at all costs

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:36pm; Reply: 190
Quoted from Wholefoodie
I have followed this post from the beginning and was hesitant to add a different perspective not wanting to start a debate. Recently, my ND started telling all of her patients to stop taking extra Vitamin D. She explained several reasons that I can't duplicate but she also gave all of her patients the following which I found online. I know there is a lot of info to the contrary but there is also some thought provoking data inline with the following artice. In the end, we all have to do what we feel is right, but it is always good to see all sides before making decisions. If anyone is interested:

http://vitamins.lovetoknow.com/Vitamin_D_Overdose

I am no longer adding D3 to my daily vitamins. And just as a FYI, my ND will be attending Dr. D's conference in May and she has studied under him. Obviously, not all professionals will agree on everything.

One of the things my ND said that stuck with me was our body cannot get rid of excess vitamin D. It has to be utilized and will take a very long time to get rid of excess. It is stored in fat cells at toxic levels and makes people sick. She feels what we get in a daily vitamin is plently and is critical of the methods used in testing actual levels.


simply NOT true...
Danes f ex only meet the LOW reccomendation by 2/3 RDIin food...
and only tiny amounts of the newer higher advice.
My daughter took 100 %  RDI and still got a low test( and lots of tiredness and sickness.

I live in an area where only June/July and maybe September provide enough from sun
and I would have to eat at least 600-800 gram salmon pr week ! to get enough( low RDI)

for me it is the form of D that matters- and getting enough vitam A as well.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 9:28pm; Reply: 191
Arghh! I had a long post half typed up when DS came home from school and I paused to take care of him. He had a tantrum (when I refused to get him food after he cursed at me) and, as part of that tantrum, he turned off the computer and my half- typed post is gone forever.

To try and recap what I'd spent time typing up earlier:

I do appreciate your input WholeFoodie, and I don't think you should ever be afraid to say something when others on the thread are saying the opposite. I took a look at your link and found that it didn't have the information I'm specifically looking for. There's lots of talk about what doses of vitamin D might cause toxicity, and whether or not supplementation is needed at all, but there seems to be ZERO information out there about what blood levels of vitamin D are associated with toxicity symptoms. Is the upper limit of 80 ng/mL set as a "safety zone" so that nobody ever reaches the actual toxic levels of 90 or 100 or 200 or 500, or am I in danger right now because I'm over 80? Is that level set because there's no more benefit over that level, or because it's actually unsafe?

The fact remains that blood tests showed a vitamin D deficiency even when I had been taking 5,000 iu/day for several years. I don't think it's practical for me to "not supplement." I'm light skinned and don't use sunscreen regularly, but I also cover most of my body for religious reasons, and generally prefer to stay in the air-conditioning during the heat of the day in the summertime. I certainly can't get enough vitamin D from sunlight in the winter this far north, but I doubt I'll get enough even in the summertime.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:08pm; Reply: 192
I could still use some input. I stopped taking any vitamin D for a week, and now I'm not sure if I should take 5,000 per day or 10,000 per day (or maybe alternate for an average of 7,500 per day?)

I want to have steady, healthy levels of D in my system. I don't want my levels to bounce around as I take too much, then too little, etc. I won't be  retested for another 3 months, and I don't want to become deficient again during that time.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:37pm; Reply: 193
Hi ruthie,
Wow VWD on getting your levels back up!!  My lab report said that normal is 32-100. So relax.
You're not OD'ing.  I have Osteopenia at a level of 25.  I want my levels up in the 70-80's myself.
You can try taking 5,000 ius a week for 3 months and re test. You'll just have to  use trial and error to see how your levels do. It's the brand of vitamin D. The brand you were taking was obviously not a high grade. So now that you take the higher grade, the level shot up. I figured when you said you were taking 10,000 every day that it would go up.  I'm taking 5,000 ius a day sometimes I'll take 10,000. Not often.  
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 4:41pm; Reply: 194
Quoted from Victoria


Is your oldest son a non-secretor?


I don't know I have to have them tested. Seems like a waste when he won't follow the B diet.  ::)
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:10pm; Reply: 195
I usually take 5000IUs a day plus there's a little in the Cal-Mag-Zinc I take.  When I was sick sometimes I double up.    My endocrinologist had me on the 50,000 last spring when levels were still low.  This is such an interesting topic.  I'm hoping that we get some good answers soon.
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 2:04pm; Reply: 196
Vitamin D and magnesium. Important. est 80% of US deficient in magnesium- supplementing D can make worse longer term without correcting... http://drcarolyndean.com/2013/03/dean-overview-and-magnesium-basics/
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 2:07pm; Reply: 197
Vitamin D and magnesium. Important. est 80% of US deficient in magnesium- supplementing D can make worse longer term without correcting... http://drcarolyndean.com/2013/03/dean-overview-and-magnesium-basics/


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SECOND QUESTION: This involved my short presentation about being cautious using high doses of Vitamin D. This angered people who said I was dead wrong because they had benefited from high dose Vitamin D. But far more people agreed that they had been harmed by too much Vitamin D. The ratio was 5 against Vitamin D to 1 for Vitamin D. Judging from the mood of the people who berated me for my cautious advice, I would say their irritability is probably due to magnesium deficiency.

Basically Vitamin D is a hormone with a feedback mechanism to let you know if you have enough calcium. Because we are so calcified with supplements and fortified foods, our Vitamin D levels in general are low. This has been interpreted as a deficiency and not as a reaction to calcium. Also Vitamin D requires magnesium to transform it from the storage form to the active form. So when you take Vitamin D in high doses you overuse your magnesium and you hold on to more calcium which also knocks out your magnesium. People who are already magnesium deficient can get hit very hard. The 20% of people who can metabolize Vitamin D without ill effects do well on it. To determine which you are is difficult. So, what you do is monitor you 25-OH Vitamin D levels, work up to about 800mg of magnesium and slowly build up your Vitamin D using 1,000-2,000 IU daily.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 4:47pm; Reply: 198
Interesting connection there, AK.  :)
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 7:23pm; Reply: 199
Thought this might be a good place to share this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315105200.htm
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 10:13pm; Reply: 200
Might search magnesium and post there.
I still think there is a lot to nutritional deficiency since most don't eat RDA and soil was reported severely depleted back in the 1930s. Seems like a bigger issue even if you have been depleted for a long while, you have to make it up while meeting current needs. Involved in thousands of enzyme reactions.  

I wonder if what was pointed to in the article is an epigentic change based on diet... or drugs?!?
http://drcarolyndean.com/2013/03/magnesium-is-not-dangerous/

Checking out  the reMag from Dr. Dean soon. Her books are great.
My mag level dropped recently (in the blood, and when it shows there, it's pulling from tissue), but I had gotten my Vitamin D level up. Also started with occasional pain in chest and palpatations. Also detoxing mercury. Merc interferes with mag and enzyme reactions can be wacked out. Hmmm...
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, April 25, 2013, 2:31pm; Reply: 201
Here is an article that says you can raise Vitamin D levels by eating mushrooms instead of taking supplements.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Endocrinology/GeneralEndocrinology/38605?utm_content=
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