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Posted by: honeybee, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:24am
am quite distressed about my visit to the dentist this morning, and need to vent!! told that I have a small beginning of a tooth abscess...

The story goes... I had 2 mercury amalgams removed in june, one of the sites has been very sensitive to cold since having the treatment, today I had an xray and was told I have an abscess and require root canal therapy, I had a terrible experience getting the amalgam removed already (reaction to the anaesthetic / then no anaesthetic when I returned for the ceramic to be layed)
So, an abscess is an infection right, so like any infection it should be able to be treated without root canal therapy or extraction? I am following my swami, taking the nomad supps and multi, plus I have been reading here re tooth paste and have ditched mine for a glycerin free herbal one. Also have myrrh / oregano oil - I have been topically applying that today and will in my attempt to beat this. Coconut oil I take approx 1 tbspn per day since 1 month.. any one think I should get the antibiotics? Dentist did not think it would help, but being a nonnie I would give it a shot.

Thoughts?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 4:55am; Reply: 1
get a second opinion if you do not want to go through the long process.....

a tooth abscess should NOT be taken lightly :-/
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 5:24am; Reply: 2
power tubings, essential oils and highest intake of boswellia serrata & silicea (2'400mg's 3xdaily of silicea for deepest tissue cleanse) and it will open itself without any interactions... did this twice in the last few weeks... :o ;D ;D

niauli/lavender mix, thyme oil...or sage put it directly on top and it will help you as well; Peter recommended also (I forgot it ouch  :B ) myrrh this is fine too ;) ;D....
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 6:15am; Reply: 3
Infection is just that.. it will fester and eventually erupt .red and swollen... but in the interim it will be affecting your body as a whole.. It means that the root within your tooth has broken down and is dead.  As dead tissue it festers until it hurts and tries to come to the forefront with great pain and swelling...

Two ways to test if the doctor is right.. 1) the x-ray will show a dark spot under the root of your tooth.. 2) use the water test.. have a warm cup and a cold cup for testing the tooth.. then hold some warm water in the affected tooth area for a short while, then when it huts -- spit it out and hold the cold water there until the pain goes away.. The pain comes from the gas that forms inside your bone structure from the festering root .... with the warm water it expands.. then the cold shrinks the gas and the pain will be less...

PAIN on cold for some time is another way to know that a root is going bad -- unless there is a 'high' spot and you are putting undue pressure on the bone under your tooth..
Posted by: honeybee, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 7:59am; Reply: 4
the xray shows a darker area in between the tooth roots, not in the tooth roots or underneath them.

there is no throbbing pain or gum issue apparent.

i will get a second opinion, that is an option i can deal with.

i  :'(  when they told me this tooth has an abscess. i was upset because i have been back 3 times in the last 3 month complaining of this sensitivity to cold (not hot, not sweet) since having the amalgam removed in june.

i feel like nothing preventative or helpful had been done when i was sure something was up.   >:(
I was just told to wait for it to settle and that it is normal for the trauma of a large filling to do.

thanks so much for your advices  :K)

my dentist also want to sedate me to do the root canal therapy, yuk  :-/
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 12:58pm; Reply: 5
IF it turns out that the area will 'blow up' its time enough to do anything about it.. either it will or not.. you will have little to do with it...

Try first the cold/ warm water test.. if its pain on cold then its just that a small fraction of the tooth is 'high' touching prematurely when you bite down.. take a paper nail file and reduce the contact one little bit at a time.. and then give it time to heal...

(the reason for the pain on warm is that the festering gas can not escape from under the tooth)

IT should have the dark spot below the tooth.. if it is between the teeth- it is less likely infection, but rather what is called a 'pocket' - a space between the gums and the tooth allowing accumulation of foods or bacteria..

I like a water pick for that..

once the tooth NEEDS a root canal you will be happy to get it done under anesthesia.. trust me on that and all the above..
Posted by: Leanne, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:19pm; Reply: 6
When I was pregnant with my last child (2 years ago) I had a tooth abscess on me.  It was a top tooth on the left side.
On one of her visits she said that I had an infection somewhere in my body.  I told her that it was probably my tooth.  Sure enough.  A week later it showed up.
It started on a Friday evening with my left eyelid blinking very slowly.  My husband thought it was kind of weird.  By the next morning, my eyelid was not blinking at all, I wasn't able to smile on that side of my mouth, I couldn't taste, the little deal in your ear that regulates how much sound comes in was not working because everything was so loud in my left ear.
My midwife came that Monday morning with a bunch of NOW products.  She's a dealer.
Colostrum
Olive Leaf extract with oregano
Grapefruit seed extract
I was also taking acidophilus

Every hour I took several teaspoons of colostrum, two olive leaf, and capsule full of grapefruit seed extract (you have to put it in a capsule yourself) and a tablespoon of acidophilus (equal to 12 billion CFU's).
This is about double what she told me to take.  What she said wasn't working fast enough I think because I was pregnant and my body was trying to do too much at once.
Within a week I was back to normal.  
I would also add vitamin C to your regime.  I couldn't take it because if you take too much vitamin C when your pregnant it causes contractions and can make you go in to labor.
This particular tooth was down to the gums.  I'd had troubles with it for about 5-7 years.  Like I've said before, I'm just not a doctor person and dentists drive me crazy!  I HATE people in my face!  Also, we'd gone through some difficult financial stuff. Just to explain why I had dealt with it for so long.
So, over the years it had abscessed here and there and I would simply take lots of acidophilus and it would go away.  However, when I became pregnant it was too much for my body to keep up with so that by the 8th month the left side of my face froze up.
Then, of course, I was nursing full time and ideally I really needed to get the tooth out of my head!  I was able to keep the infection down enough so that when Esther was 6 weeks old I had it pulled. The dentist never said anything about me having to take any antibiotics before he would pull it.  He did say though that there was infection.  I knew that because if I put pressure on the area is did hurt.

http://www.nutritiongeeks.com sells many NOW products at mostly 1/2 price and
http://www.luckyvitamin.com does as well.  Nutrition geeks is out of MN and usually have more of the variety that I'm looking for and you only need a $45 order to get free shipping.  
Lucky Vitamin is out of PA and many times will have something out of stock or not have what I'm needing.  You need a $75-$100 order to get free shipping.  Can't remember which.
On Nutrition Geeks if you call in your order it will get to your faster.

Hope this helps!
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 1:31pm; Reply: 7
infections are serious.. if you had one on the arm arm you might lose your arm.. however tooth infections are less scary as the pain drives you to do something about it or the swelling it will create after some serious (neglect).. ..

the reason they give antibiotics is to reduce the inflammation and reduce the spreading of the infection.. Taking them once for the week is a good thing, before doing the work, but taking them over the long haul is not good as then the infection can cause more harm and will spread to the next tooth and cause other harm..

The above mentioned items however might help in so far as the dark spot is next to the tooth?? not under it..

BY the way the reason the dark spot appears is that the bone has become eaten away.. and the tooth might as a result of it get unsteady -- in a long while if in back teeth - shorter time if its a front tooth..

I would try DrD recomend of Myrrh.. (another thread)

  
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 5:44pm; Reply: 8
Honeybee

I agree with Lola, a tooth abscess is NOT to be taken lightly. I recently had to go through the same thing. Thankfully I have only had to have just one root canal. I do not plan to have any more. Depending on how much damage their is to the tooth you might can get away without having to have it and get a crown or temporary filling. Otherwise, if you do not start treating the infection now it will only get worse. If your dentist has written a Rx for antibiotics, you may want to consider getting it filled. I had a very severe infection in my lower left molar that the infection caused severe swelling in my chin. Oil of oregano can help if you are having pain in the tooth or gum, but I would not rely on it to treat an abscess.

My mom and a good friend of ours was able to avoid a root canal when they both took the antibiotics for infection and had the tooth scraped.

Wishing you the best.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 7:47pm; Reply: 9
You need to find the cause of the infection.  I hope that you will follow your dentist's advice, or get a 2nd opinion by all means, as was suggested.  I'm having problems with infection because of a tooth that is cracked.  It all started when the filling fell out.  Went for several consultations, and after a root canal it was finally revealed that there were two inside cracks that were not being picked up on the dental or periodontal imaging systems.  I have to lose the tooth and get an implant because the tooth is not saveable and will continue to palpate within the tissue around the root and continue the infection.  The location is adjacent to my sinus cavity on the right side of my face.  I'm on antibiotics for the infection right now.  I don't like the idea of taking antibiotics, but the right side of my face hurt and was swelling...so you better believe I'm taking it now.  Plus I want the infection to be down when I have the surgery.  I'm just telling you my story because 1) I hope you're lucky and all you have to have is root canal, which will take care of the problem, chances are it will; and 2) to add my advice that dental infection is nothing to fool around - it can get complicated.  The earlier the treatment the better!
Posted by: honeybee, Saturday, October 2, 2010, 9:44pm; Reply: 10
thanks so much for all your thoughts  :K)

so to update anyone who may be experiencing similar; I have been using a gentle herbal glycerin-free toothpaste and adding a drop or two of myrrh essential oil to the paste, brushing gently twice a day and flossing each day (with oil of oregano added topically to the tooth before flossing.)
Have also added MSM to my daily grapefruit juice, about 1 heaped tspn.

this is quite something this myrrh.
as of day 2 i can drink cold water and even mineral water from the fridge  :o
once in the past 4 days I had a small sensitive reaction, but nothing like what had been absolute pain before.

I am off to the dentist this week to explain I would like antibiotics if she really prove it is an infection, and that I will wait and see what is happening, keep my eye on it for any changes, before root canal. I may also get a second opinion on my x-ray.

so, has what I have been doing just desensitised the tooth? amazing results so far, I am not sure what to make of it!! don't worry, I am used to getting fab results with everything BTD, have been here since 2004, so I am not really surprised, ALWAYS IMPRESSED THOUGH!!
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, October 2, 2010, 9:56pm; Reply: 11
Root canals are a very controversial topic, and I'd advise researching them more before you make a decision.  I have one and most likely will not ever get another one.  If I lost another tooth and it was possible to make use of a removable (partial) I would go that route.

Their impact on systemic health is worth thinking about.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, October 3, 2010, 12:05am; Reply: 12
ONE sure way is to know .. if it hurts on HEAT.. cold is just the oppsite.. cold means the nerve is alive and over stimulated.. by either biting or chewing on it.. heat however is on infection needing care..
Posted by: honeybee, Sunday, October 3, 2010, 12:48am; Reply: 13
agree that systemic health is my concern too Victoria, I have a sneaking suspicion that the dentist may want to 'treat' my sensitivity with root canal just to shut me up about it.  :-/ once she deadens the tooth I can not complain to her about it further!

and Goldie, heat is ok, even very hot - the first week of having amalgam removed heat was an issue, but i have had my bite adjusted 3 times since then, and cold is still definitely the only trigger.
Posted by: honeybee, Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 4:12am; Reply: 14
an update for anyone considering ditching their 'normal' fluoride/glycerin combo and keen to try myrrh for sensitivity; the toothpaste I have been using for 2 weeks is a herbal, fluoride/glycerin free, baking soda and myrh formula.

I have had excellent results with this including flossing daily, and adding a drop of essential oil of myrrh to the toothbrush/paste also.
the sensitivity is 99% gone.
the first week I also added a drop of oil of oregano onto the area surrounding the abscessed tooth directly and flossed that in.

my teeth, gums and mouth look and feel very clean and healthy.

At my visit to the dentist today I explained the sensitivity had 99% disappeared.
Dentist says the x-ray shows changes and that I will still need root canal or extraction - this could be in 1 month or could be 10 years. :-/
I was not keen on telling her about ditching the toothpaste etc as I did not want to concern her too much  :B

I am not going for a second opinion just now for I am pretty happy with this result - ( however they did sell me a $27 tube of 'natural' tooth mousse which I have read the label on and glycerol is the third ingredient  :-/

I forgot to ask for the antibiotic prescription - perhaps I should still do and take them as a precaution.





Posted by: KimonoKat, Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 4:40am; Reply: 15
honeybee, what is the brand of your toothpaste that is glycerin free.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 6:26am; Reply: 16
I think you are not understanding the reason for antibiotics..

Teeth are connected to all sorts of organs in the body, or representing of organs.. IF you have a dark area under your tooth IT IS already to the point of festering,, no matter how quiet.  Taking the antis is a way to prevent a infection to take over your whole body, especially if you are not doing the root canal proccedure.

I kind of explained it in detail above.. as I worked in a dental office for 10 years and know all about it from having about 20 rootcanals in my mouth.  They are not cheap, and no fun, but if you allow the tooth to rott from the inside out, all you will accomplisch is to risk a body wide infection with much greater possibility that you will infect the tooth next to it.--- and in fact the tooth on the opposite side will get sick to.

You seem to never have done the hot cold test so you have not confirmed the situation,  but I guess if you wait long enough the body will teach you.. there is no confusing on blood poisoning infection to just a need to floss. Flossing is a given to keep the rest of the teeth.  
Posted by: honeybee, Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 7:08am; Reply: 17
Quoted from honeybee
and Goldie, heat is ok, even very hot - the first week of having amalgam removed heat was an issue, but i have had my bite adjusted 3 times since then, and cold is still definitely the only trigger.


Sorry Goldie, I am not a clear communicator especially in text  - I did see your test to hot/cold and I tried explaining (see above) - Hot is definitely okay. Cold hurt though when the dentist did a co2 test.
Thanks for your reply! Antibiotics sound like a good idea, I just forgot to ask for them.

KimonoKat - this is an aussie paste called Riddells Creek organic toothpaste herbal with myrrh.
http://www.organicformulations.com.au
but search the forum - there is another thread that has allot of great sounding products - ones especially rec by Victoria I think....  ;D
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 7:04pm; Reply: 18
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You seem to never have done the hot cold test so you have not confirmed the situation,


this couple seems to have done the sensitivity test alright!! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPJSgWTi2MQ
Posted by: honeybee, Thursday, October 14, 2010, 5:20am; Reply: 19
Quoted from Lola


this couple seems to have done the sensitivity test alright!! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPJSgWTi2MQ


yes i would pass that test now Lola! (evil)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:12am; Reply: 20
;)
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:05am; Reply: 21
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and Goldie, heat is ok, even very hot - the first week of having amalgam removed heat was an issue, but I have had my bite adjusted 3 times since then, and cold is still definitely the only trigger.


OK sorry I did not see that post.. IF heat does NOT trigger a reaction then wait to see further.. when it starts hurting again ON HEAT and goes AWAY with cold... then you most likely will need root canal work.. wait until then and keep your teeth clean with all you are doing.  

if the bite was off ever so little it can mimic root pain, but it would not go away with cold.  when the bite is off sometimes biting on an emery board helps -- careful not to do to much of it or the other side will act up.  Teeth bite is very sensitive and a 'hair' is way to much.. but as soon as you have the right bite, then the pain subsides almost immediately.

on the other hand cold sensitivity might indicate how close to the root the filling was and it made the nerve jumpy.. Sensodine toothpaste for a few days would have helped that..

what made me concerned is the word abscess in the title headline of this thread.. A abscess is not something you play around with, nor will it go away by itself.... it would poison the whole body..

(for myself I have to take antibiotics every time I have a cleaning, because of my hip implant- but my body seems to handle it well enough for now.. and one nice side effect from it is that my painful gums feel better for a while - the inflammation goes down within hours and last's a while.)

good luck.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:36am; Reply: 22
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O in Virginia..You need to find the cause of the infection.  I hope that you will follow your dentist's advice, or get a 2nd opinion by all means, as was suggested.  I'm having problems with infection because of a tooth that is cracked.  It all started when the filling fell out.  Went for several consultations, and after a root canal it was finally revealed that there were two inside cracks that were not being picked up on the dental or periodontal imaging systems.  I have to lose the tooth and get an implant because the tooth is not savable and will continue to palpate within the tissue around the root and continue the infection.  The location is adjacent to my sinus cavity on the right side of my face.  I'm on antibiotics for the infection right now.  I don't like the idea of taking antibiotics, but the right side of my face hurt and was swelling...so you better believe I'm taking it now.  Plus I want the infection to be down when I have the surgery.  I'm just telling you my story because 1) I hope you're lucky and all you have to have is root canal, which will take care of the problem, chances are it will; and 2) to add my advice that dental infection is nothing to fool around - it can get complicated.  The earlier the treatment the better!


in your case taking the antibiotics should only be until you can take the tooth out.  Then If they will allow you let the gum heal first for a month or two, as it will be better for the implant to be in a clean bone..

I had several implants, but the one giving me the most grief is the one that was not good from the start and it has caused much bone loss on the adjacent teeth ever since (more and more).  The worst part is that there is NO way to remove implants once they are in, so anyone doing them in front -- come first and look at mine.. scary and I thank the heavens that my lips cover the view.. but I am in daily pain for 10 years already..)

but for all its worth my telling you about it, I do so only to make you value you're teeth-- but pull that broken tooth out - it is hurting your whole body.. just ask questions about every thing.. and get answers ....  

(as for bridges they don't last forever-- only about 10 - 20 years.. and then I needed the implants.. IF I had to do it over again, I would do a removable bridge, but they have issues also..  THE BEST IS DOING BTD (no more cavities) and cleaning the teeth often / I like a Water-pick for bridgework..

good luck..    
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