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Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 8:24pm
I figured it was time for another update, so...TA-DA!

I've been low-gluten since 2008 (except a brief time on the Gatherer diet! :o).  About May 14, I clamped down to NO gluten to see if there was a difference.  There was!  I noticed improvements in less than 2 weeks.  I also noticed that when I messed up and ate gluten after being off of it for about 4 weeks that I felt horrible.

Doing more reading, I realized that casein could possibly be another problem for me, so I eliminated all dairy except butter/ghee and whey protein powder from my diet starting June 8.  About June 10 or 11 I decided I might as well do a candida cleanse while I was at it.  About that time I realized that spinach didn't sit well with me either.

Doing some more reading, this time about candida, I stumbled across some fascinating information about fructose which set me off on a whole new direction.  In a nutshell, it turns out that I don't have a high tolerance for fructose, so I've been eating only very small amounts of sweets (including sweet fruits).  Well go figure, a nonnie with a particular kind of carbohydrate intolerance. ::)

Anyway, I figured after a couple days of no-carbs and die-off symptoms that I should be good enough for the candida for now as long as I wasn't eating stuff that I couldn't absorb or digest, so I went back on allowable carbs.  Currently, toenail fungus is gone, and tongue coating is almost gone too.

Along with the fructose, I learned about fructans, which aren't easily absorbed and which inhibit fructose absorption.  Onions in particular seem to be troublesome.

Next I found out that whey proteins are more allergenic/provocative than casein, so I quit whey protein on June 19.  However, I just wasn't convinced that dairy was causing trouble for me, so I started back maybe June 24 or 25? forgot to record that date. :(  I feel good eating cheese, so thank heavens for that!  I'm still not so sure about yogurt.

About June 25, I realized that I had a problem with certain preservatives, too.  This was due to reactions to a (unknown to me) marinated steak on June 22 and bottled lemon juice on June 25.  I'm not sure which preservatives are troublesome, but I strongly suspect sodium bisulphite and sodium benzoate.  (I wonder, between the onions and sulfite preservatives, if I'm just sensitive to certain kinds of sulfur compounds instead of fructans.)

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So now I'm avoiding any amount of gluten or sulfites.  I'm avoiding bottled, canned, and dried fruits.  I'm avoiding fresh fruits that are especially high in fructose, and limiting other fruits.  I'm staying away from spinach, onions, all sweeteners, and sugar alcohols.

It's paying off already.  This week I started a new schedule at work.  I'm now working 4 days per week instead of 3, and I foresee no trouble staying on top of it.  If this works out well I might even increase my shifts from 6 hours to 8 hours!  I've been eating more, I have more interest and energy for my workouts, my job, and handling household business.
Posted by: Wholefoodie, Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 8:28pm; Reply: 1
Wow, TJ, you are quite the dietary detective! Glad you are improving more and more! I am impressed with your committment and determination.

Lisa
Posted by: 10111 (Guest), Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 8:36pm; Reply: 2
I'm another no gluten, no milk products person.  I'm glad you found some relief too.
Posted by: Cristina, Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 8:51pm; Reply: 3
Great work TJ.  The only thing I may add is, when in these elimination or life restrictive type of diets, try to go for as wholesome as possible food items.  That bottled lemon juice?? and unknown marinated steak?  I know  you know that, you obviously picked it up!! but sometimes it registers better when we hearing it again from another source ... Tell me to shut up!!! that is OK too!!  ;) ;)

Keep up the good work ... I am sure that after a while, when your body good genes are back to normal and strong enough, you may be able to expand the food lists with some considered 'no-no'  now ...  :)

Keep us posted!!!
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:36pm; Reply: 4
It pays to be a good detective...  This is what personal responsibility for your health is all about.  Glad you dug deep enough to feel better.  Isn't it amazing that you can feel so good eating a limited diet?  I'm sure you will be able to expand it somewhat after some healing time...
Posted by: maukik, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 12:36am; Reply: 5
Before I started BTD years ago, when I would diet, stay away from sweets, if I had any fruit it would start a sugar craving that wouldn't quit.  

I was gluten free for 14 months. I felt great and noticed a great feeling of well-being, mentally.  I have been having small amounts of gluten almost everyday since Christmas.  You are inspiring me to get back to leaving off the gluten.

As another B, nomad, nonnie, I will be watching spinach (which I don't eat too much) and onions (which I love).  

Thanks for your informaton.
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 1:48am; Reply: 6
unveg, I'm actually eating cheese and whey again with no problems so far!  (happy dance)

Cris, I should have known better about the bottled lemon juice.  It doesn't even taste right.  But the steak caught me off guard.  I thought I was just buying a plain piece of meat until after eating it and reacting.

Joe, I sure hope I can add more things back!  But if not, that's fine.  As have a fair assortment of foods that are still good even with the limitations of the GTD and my own sensitivities.

maukik, I think the onions are a personal oddity, but I read that it's not uncommon for gluten intolerant folks to also have problems with spinach.

Even though all these recent discoveries have nothing to do (AFAIK) with BTD or GTD, I still have to give Dr. D huge kudos for getting me to the point where I was even capable of doing this kind of detective work.  Without BTD/GTD, there would be so many more bad foods that I couldn't sort them all out!
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 2:36am; Reply: 7
Great to hear!  
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 3:09am; Reply: 8
Ribbit, I wish you were headed getting there too!
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 3:16am; Reply: 9
We'll see.(shrug)
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 3:50am; Reply: 10
Quoted from Ribbit
We'll see.(shrug)


You will!  You just haven't found the right combination.  It'll happen as long as you continue the quest...  Prayer doesn't hurt either...
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 5:59am; Reply: 11
TJ...well documented & great news on the results ;) That could have been me I was reading about incidentally... & no you are not alone on the onion front... ::)
Posted by: Munchkin76, Thursday, July 8, 2010, 6:38am; Reply: 12
TJ - well done, you're an inspiration!  I'm doing much better on SWAMI than ever before, but I still have some issues.  I think I might just take a page out of your book and get the magnifying glass out!  Thanks again!

Ribbit, I hope you get there soon too!

Andy
Posted by: Tom Martens, Friday, July 9, 2010, 9:04pm; Reply: 13
All this talk about onions has me asking: what symptoms arise from onion intolerance?
Posted by: TJ, Friday, July 9, 2010, 10:00pm; Reply: 14
It's hard to say.  I used to love onions, but I started losing interest in them 3 or 4 months ago.  Out of curiosity, I fried one up with some meat maybe a month ago.  I just felt "off" the next day, but I could smell the onion strongly in my urine that morning.  I've cleared up so many things now that I could eat it again and get a better idea now, but I'd rather not.

I'd like to know what forms of sulfur that are found in foods are provocative.  Obviously you can't be allergic to all sulfur since it's part of your DNA and protein.
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, July 10, 2010, 12:52am; Reply: 15
Rob thinks I should steer clear of sulfur compounds.  He says I complain about them, even though I don't necessarily know when I'm eating them.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, July 10, 2010, 12:52am; Reply: 16
Quoted from ABJoe


You will!  You just haven't found the right combination.  It'll happen as long as you continue the quest...  Prayer doesn't hurt either...


Of course.   ;D  Thank you.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:15am; Reply: 17
Quoted from Tom Martens
All this talk about onions has me asking: what symptoms arise from onion intolerance?
I only recently started putting two & two together a couple of months ago.. Onions are beneficial both for O Nonnies & also Gatherers & Explorers, yet each time I ate them, I would get breakouts...

B4 I knew that they were causing the recent breakouts, I had starting eating lots of cooked onions, after returning from Aus.. Then, as I started breaking out again I was trying to figure why my skin had cleared up while away but flared up on returning to NZ??)

As I already knew that dried apricots & any high glycemic fruit & vegs affect me & was avoiding them; I could narrow down to the one commonly eaten "new" thing:  onions...
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:17am; Reply: 18
Quoted from TJ
Obviously you can't be allergic to all sulfur since it's part of your DNA and protein.
You can be allergic to parts of your own body...  This is what auto-immune responses are...
Posted by: nodoubt147, Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:49am; Reply: 19
I have an allergy/sensitivity to onion. The allium family actually. I tested positive to a garlic allergy. Only in the last few years have I eaten onions, but all growing up I instinctively would pick them out of my food. It's strange how you can be socialized to eat foods that just aren't good for you. Anyways, I finally realized I would get a very distinct taste in my mouth anytime I ingested anything with the slightest bit of onion in it. So now I know to stay away. It's hidden, along with garlic in a lot of foods. I make almost all my own food though so it's rarely an issue.
Posted by: TJ, Saturday, July 10, 2010, 1:59am; Reply: 20
Quoted from ABJoe
You can be allergic to parts of your own body...  This is what auto-immune responses are...
Wait, I totally forgot about that! :B

One of my brothers refuses to eat cooked onions, but I think raw are okay with him.  I sure hope garlic isn't a baddie for me too nodoubt!  I only use very small amounts of it typically (garlic powder).
Posted by: MileHighRob, Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:40am; Reply: 21
Nice read and congrats on your discoveries TJ.  Great testimonial!

It's amazing how quickly the body begins to heal itself when we pay attention to the effects we have from our body's fuel sources.  As my diet evolves and becomes more refined the better I feel daily.  
Posted by: ecaines, Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:24pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from 10111
I'm another no gluten, no milk products person.  I'm glad you found some relief too.


Every since I've cut them out I have been feeling a lot better too!

Great story Tj! (sunny)
Posted by: kescah, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:00pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from ABJoe
You can be allergic to parts of your own body...  This is what auto-immune responses are...


Well.... doesn't it seem odd that we would be allergic to our own body? I don't agree. The best description of autoimmune disease that I have heard is this:

After an infection and suppressing it with antibiotics, the germs that do not die burrow into body tissues and live there. The immune system still wants to kill them, but in the process destroys the tissue that they are living in. That makes sense. Also, I believe it is proven true in my case. Here is how.

My first charming hubby gave me gonorrhea many years ago. Back then I had no means of "curing" it other than antibiotics. Fresh out of nursing school, I took that route. I spent all of my childbearing years suffering with urinary tract and female problems, no doubt as a result of the gonorrhea. In later years I began to have severe thyroid issues that created an arthritic condition that nearly put me in a wheelchair. Having learned a thing or two during those years, I began taking the gonorrhea miasm homeopathic remedy, Medorrhinum, which is in fact gonorrhea bacteria prepared homeopathically, and guess what! My rheumatoid arthritis disappeared and my thyroid shrunk and I quit choking on it. Proof of the above theory, if you ask me. And a good reason to avoid antibiotics and go with homeopathy.

Also, eating a beneficial food resulting in skin eruptions likely means that the food is causing you to cleanse. Not a pleasant symptom, but it means that toxins are leaving your body through the skin. The same thing happens sometimes with homeopathic treatment, but the doctor wants you to let it happen. I have seen things like depression and asthma clear up when the skin breaks out. Disease is literally leaving your body through the skin. Homeopaths ask you to never put topical medication on eruptions. It drives disease back in. As a matter of fact, they say that often diseases are caused by topically treating skin disorders.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:19pm; Reply: 24
kescah,
In your case, I would probably agree with you...

In the cases I've seen with myself (and several others), there isn't the same cause / effect relationship.
Posted by: kescah, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:26pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from ABJoe
kescah,
In your case, I would probably agree with you...

In the cases I've seen with myself (and several others), there isn't the same cause / effect relationship.


Don't mean to irritate you, but it seems that it would be hard to tell in most cases. We don't usually recognize where bacteria go to after antibiotic treatment nor do most people have knowledge of what homeopathics to treat with later in a disease that they never dreamed came from maybe a childhood course of antibiotics. :)
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:33pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from kescah
Don't mean to irritate you, but it seems that it would be hard to tell in most cases. We don't usually recognize where bacteria go to after antibiotic treatment nor do most people have knowledge of what homeopathics to treat with later in a disease that they never dreamed came from maybe a childhood course of antibiotics. :)

I agree...  I know that bacteria and virii can hide in other cells and fatty tissues.  If we can't determine what the original "bug" was however, but can determine that the body thinks it is allergic to an organ, there isn't really anything to do except treat it as an allergy (or sensitivity), since I know how to eliminate those effects with a non-invasive treatment...  
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:39pm; Reply: 27
Kescah, I have a question then.  If certain foods cause acne/boils/cysts, then you would recommend eating them to cleanse out something in the system?  You believe they're good because they're cleaning out something bad?  Or are they bad in and of themselves?  I'm not sure I understand what you're saying exactly.
Posted by: kescah, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:47pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from ABJoe

I agree...  I know that bacteria and virii can hide in other cells and fatty tissues.  If we can't determine what the original "bug" was however, but can determine that the body thinks it is allergic to an organ, there isn't really anything to do except treat it as an allergy (or sensitivity), since I know how to eliminate those effects with a non-invasive treatment...  


That is good if you get the effects you want. :) If not, the homeopath takes a list of your symptoms and chooses the remedy in accord with the "symptom picture". That is how I arrived at the knowledge that my thyroid was invaded by gonococcus. Because the symptoms told me that the remedy was Medorrhinum. That can be the only cause for the need for that remedy unless you inherit the condition from an ancestor who had gonorrhea. I just assumed that it was, in my case, my own case of gonorrhea since I had had an active case.

Posted by: kescah, Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:51pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Ribbit
Kescah, I have a question then.  If certain foods cause acne/boils/cysts, then you would recommend eating them to cleanse out something in the system?  You believe they're good because they're cleaning out something bad?  Or are they bad in and of themselves?  I'm not sure I understand what you're saying exactly.


I would say that in many cases it would be a cleansing reaction if it is a beneficial food causing it. Of course, I can't know that that is true in every case. But yes, in many cases disease leaves the body through the skin. The skin clears up when the toxins are gone.

Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:26pm; Reply: 30
Ah.  Okay.  Because my skin problems are for the most part caused by foods I'm supposed to avoid anyway.  Now if I could just figure out what's causing it the rest of the time...(think)
Posted by: TJ, Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:44pm; Reply: 31
I've had a setback yesterday and today (unhappy), just feeling ill all over.  I suspect it's the whey protein (again).  That does NOT make me happy!  I want protein to rebuild!  But I do have to heal up my gut first.  Anyway, I worked out my legs Saturday, and immediately after the workout I drank one mixed scoop of whey powder (~21 grams of protein).  Then I went home and had another scoop (now total of 42 grams of protein).

I felt ok when I got up yesterday, but I drank some milk (yes, I know) right after breakfast, then shortly after church started I got a headache and started feeling icky--maybe 20-30 minutes after drinking the milk.  I bet I was in for a bad day regardless, but drinking the milk hurried it along.  Still icky and tired today, kind of like a gluten reaction.  A leftover from yesterday?  I haven't had anything suspect today, so I expect to be well again tomorrow!

One more thing muddies the water.  I ate dinner at mom's house Saturday evening.  She knows I can't deal with gluten, but her kitchen is inundated with it.  I probably had some get into my food accidentally.  I hate to say it but I think it would be best if I don't eat anything prepared in a kitchen where gluten is used unless I do it myself, cleaning etc.
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:57pm; Reply: 32
So you have three things as possibles for the ickies...  You'll have to stay away from all three for a time, then try them individually, but not too close together...  

You know there are going to be days like this...
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:59pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Ribbit
Ah.  Okay.  Because my skin problems are for the most part caused by foods I'm supposed to avoid anyway.  Now if I could just figure out what's causing it the rest of the time...(think)


Ribbit, all you need to do is wean and your health problems will magically go away. That baby needs more HFCS, soybean oil, and milk proteins in her diet anyway.  :P

Seriously, I think you should see if there are any toxins in your environment that could be contributing to your health problems- even with the "perfect" diet, your body can only clear so many toxins at once, and if you keep re-poisoning yourself (from carpets offgassing, or mold, or something in the well water, etc) then your body just can't keep up and things start to break down. I just read Clean, Green, and Lean (the book recomended to you on the other thread) and I think this may be one of the keys to health in your case.
Posted by: TJ, Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:06pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from ABJoe
You know there are going to be days like this...
Ain't that the truth.

I think I'm going to go "black flag" on corn too.  Nomads are prone to celiac-type gut damage from lectins other than gluten...maybe they can provoke a similar reaction.  I am only permitting traces of corn presently, like starch in meds and supplements.

It would be nice to know which foods have lectins that are prone to causing this effect so I could "black flag" them too.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, July 12, 2010, 11:12pm; Reply: 35
Ack, my "edit post" with comments for TJ didn't go through.

OK, second try:

TJ, it could have  been the combination- the whey might be fine by itself without the milk, or the dairy might be fine without the gluten contamination. (Or just the whey might be fine without the gluten.)

I'd suggest you look for non-dairy sources of protein for "rebuilding" while you do another whey-free trial. I'd suggest you eat clean for a few weeks, then try the whey  by itself (no milk or anything from Mom's kitchen) to see how you respond. In the meantime, try using rice protein, egg white protein, or the NAP protein powder for another blood type (so it's free of whey) as long as the ingredients are compliant for you.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 1:55am; Reply: 36
Thank you, Ruth--you made me laugh.  :D

TJ, you're eating things with CORN??????  DUDE!
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 1:58am; Reply: 37
Personally I think it just goes back to leaky gut: maybe items that should be fine for me according to blood type and genotype -- like eggs and whey protein -- are getting outside my digestive tract, and they are NOT fine there!
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 2:02am; Reply: 38
Quoted from Ribbit
TJ, you're eating things with CORN??????  DUDE!
Yes, I have been.  My multivitamin, vitamin C, digestive enzyme, and occasionally generic Advil or Benadryl.  But as of tomorrow, NO MORE!
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 2:02am; Reply: 39
Good boy. ;)
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 10:27am; Reply: 40
Quoted from TJ
I ate dinner at mom's house Saturday evening.  She knows I can't deal with gluten, but her kitchen is inundated with it.  I probably had some get into my food accidentally.  I hate to say it but I think it would be best if I don't eat anything prepared in a kitchen where gluten is used unless I do it myself, cleaning etc.
That's no good re the setback!!! Hope you get over it soon... ;)
Re the gluten & your Mum's kitchen being contaminated, some places take it so seriously that they have an entire separate gluten free kitchen ??)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 7:54pm; Reply: 41
TJ, I'm always kind of surprised when I hear that you are drinking milk.  

I could not drink milk ever, without suffering greatly. For me, milk always has to be cultured, as in Kefir or Yogurt.
Posted by: TJ, Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:12pm; Reply: 42
I think it's safe to say that I am turning into an extrovert again.  I've said it before here, and I'm glad I can say it now!  All the time at home alone is grating now.  Even with all the drama and with the kind of boring dreary work I do, I've reached the point that I'd (usually) rather be at work in the morning than at home sleeping in or taking it easy.

ps: I just posted a thread on a surprising twist--now I'm an Explorer!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 3:12am; Reply: 43
congratulations!! :)
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 5:58pm; Reply: 44
If you are truly an explorer, look in the area of glutathione or boosting any of the detoxing enzymes.  Cytochrome 450, or whatever it's called.  N-acetyl-cysteine.  What's the others?  I know there are a ton of them, well, just read the explorer profile in swami and you'll see.  

I will tell you this, you and I have some similarities.  My IGg said no onions for me.  And they, like caffeine, trigger my heart arrhythmia.  I still eat garlic and always wonder, but it doesn't seem to do it like onions.  Once I started cutting out the onions, it happened waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less. And I can remember times when I got my heart arrhythmia that I had onions close to it.  Many times.  I love onions, and they're a good food, but they're not good for everyone.  It may be part of the leaky gut also.  Meaning, if our guts were in tip top shape, we wouldn't have a problem with them, but since it's getting in the bloodstream, it'll play some havoc.  They're strong.  I've heard of some people getting loopy from eating them raw.  

Corn is just no good, imho.  Maybe some A's can get away with it, but, us B's and AB's are just better off without it.  My doctor even told us to keep my A son off of it.  Corn/Dairy/wheat/sugar.  How do you do on goat dairy?  My family seems to do very well on it.  Or make yourself some rice milk.  
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 7:44pm; Reply: 45
I haven't tried goat milk yet.  Cow's milk whey proteins are horribly provocative for me.  I hope goat milk isn't the same way.

The change to Explorer chopped my dairy superfoods down to very little:It makes better sense for now, all things considered.

I'm not sure about garlic either, but I'm steering clear just in case.  Once I have the money to spare for it, I'm going to buy some Hepatigard.  Maybe other supps later (Malic acid esp., so I can do the Explorer overnight detox w/o drinking apple juice :X)
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 7:50pm; Reply: 46
If you take artichoke leaf extract, it does the same thing.  I would also look into getting silymarin (milk thistle)  There's no way I could get away with drinking as much apple juice as he recommends for doing that cleanse.  It would be, well, very bad.  I remember eating just one apple about a year ago and it messed with me big time.



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