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Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:21pm
I went off O diet- for about 3-4 days and added bread ------ and NOW the pain in my ankles is unreal.. MAN O MAN - what a dumb thing to do.. (and I know better) ...

OK having said that:

Fibromyalgia is not a disease!!  it's Bread allergy!!

Arthritis is not a disease, It is a fine flower self poisoning ... allergy!!!

I mean if you had a grass allergy would you cut grass for a living.. if you had a peanut allergy would you add them to every meal?? if orange juice was giving you agida would you insist on drinking it 5 times a day??? I mean really how stupid can a society of MULTY MILLIONS  be??

how many other things like that are out there- never addressed by Doctor's early enough??? I mean 30 years earlier!!!!

weight-gain is having issue with stressful food- food, the body eats when under stress, to protect it self from worser toxins.. then why not look at diet again from a health point of view..

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD::: ARE  WE here NOT ENOUGH OF A double BLIND STUDY to convince even the most dense'est of humans??? and health boards every where??  

ARE WE not a study that some foods are good for some and poison for others.. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Look at all our threads .. Is our own unpaid voluntary experience not enough to declare war??? !!!!

ARE we not ALL BETTER than even some group of so many nurses to be studied over 5 years?? ARE WE NOT ALL a study?? for crying out loud when will people have to stop suffering just because Doctors POO POO The BTD idea??  AND THIS STUDY is going on IN THE OPEN - free of pressure and free of censure???!!!  

what does it take.. I know what:  lets sue some org or some other know it all, and collectively raise heck?? while raising awareness??

It's the Doctors who are nay sayers, and its the DOCTORS WHO give us arthritis and fibromyalgia..

WHEN will we grow TEETH???  ;D ;D ;D ;D  :o ::) :X >:( Teeth to bite with!!  ;D

How to spell dense? dencer? or densest??
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:31pm; Reply: 1
What about those who are on BTD/GTD and have seen great results only to slip off the wagon occasionally and get reminded of the consequences.  We need to be a stand for those past, present and future BTD/GTD followers.   :)  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:31pm; Reply: 2
I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain right now, and I hope you detox quickly.
Posted by: 10111 (Guest), Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 3:07pm; Reply: 3
All the doctors told me while I was doubled over by pain in my gut and wasting away was it was all in my head.....gee, no doctor....my head feels just fine.  I had to rant and rave and become the crazy patient for them to do a biopsy that turned out positive yet they still said...well, we really should do it again to be sure, I'm still not convinced.

I don't know why they do that. :-/
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 3:28pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Goldie
I went off O diet- for about 3-4 days and added bread ------ and NOW the pain in my ankles is unreal.. MAN O MAN - what a dumb thing to do.. (and I know better) ...

I think the whole answer you are asking and ranting about is answered in this statement!  You know better and still did it, yet you are complaining about those that don't know yet...  

Sorry you are feeling bad, but have a hard time understanding why you would buy and ingest what you know is poison for your body.

Posted by: DenverFoodie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 3:52pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from 10111
All the doctors told me while I was doubled over by pain in my gut and wasting away was it was all in my head.....gee, no doctor....my head feels just fine.  I had to rant and rave and become the crazy patient for them to do a biopsy that turned out positive yet they still said...well, we really should do it again to be sure, I'm still not convinced.

I don't know why they do that. :-/


Litigious Society!    :o
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 4:18pm; Reply: 6
ruthiegirl I am sorry you still suffer fibro.. I wonder if doing the diabetes BTD would help.. I am certain the BESTEST answer is in food.. or sugar issues related .. or some item not yet added..

but I have neuropathy that is not letting go 100% yet (but is much much better) makes me feel for you> fibro is a pain..   IS IT STILL AS BAD as it once was?? ------ 'I' think it is the pre-curser to poly-neuropathy..
Quoted Text
I think the whole answer you are asking and ranting about is answered in this statement!  You know better and still did it, yet you are complaining about those that don't know yet...  


YES INDEED... BUT: I no longer have to go to the doc and ask WHY!!!!!! and get a PILL that does not help..

as for stupid.. no doubt.. yet old issues are hard to fathom.. I grew up on foods nice to look at, nice to eat and available every where.. actually I never gained on once then .. up to 20.. but somehow giving it up can be done when I am alone fairly easy.. but when I have company (100 year old) she is B, loves fresh bread.. so a trip to the bakery every day.. ahh the memories.. (until the day after.. ahh the memories of pain!!!)

BUT the reason why others - wish- not to understand My needs for compliancy, is the fact
that doc's still do not support individualized food plans, in fact they talk against it!!  and there is the rub..

I don't even mind being reminded of how painful my arthritis can be, its a good reminder of how well I do.. and how much I need to be compliant, standing against all the nay Sayers..

Yes indeed.. its a fight every day.. and I win most ... but 100% compliance that is not even my style.. I allow for mistakes.. have a sis who is perfect.. have no need for that.. but then she has no need for sweets, dairy, bread, cookies, nuts, yogurt, sausages, chops, pasta, a glass of wine, soda, ice-cream and the like - all foods I can not even look at - she can eat them and be ok -- yet she would give any of them up 100% if a doc would tell her so..  

sis takes pills .. wrestles with cancers.. has surgeries.. anything a doc advises.. so if ever she will get sick .. it will be way to late.. but doc's know best.. and there is where I have issues..

kids are addicted to foods long before they come out of the cradle.. and then have to suffer all their life.. NOT knowing why..

drug addiction, alcohol abuse are just sidelines to sugar issues, beer drinking and spaghetti acts on grain issues, and the brain feels nearly as comfortable with them as it does with baby food / sugar conversions and the like..
I remember well when they took out salt and sugar out of baby  foods, what sugars are they adding today?? I am afraid to ask..

they have anti smoking and anti food campaigns why not add a campaign for "INDIVIDUALISED good for you Foods".. ACTUALLY a good book title???? Or a doctors convention where foods would be the main reason for attending?? (next to golf)     ;D ;D ;D

  


  



Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 4:35pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Goldie
is the fact that doc's still do not support individualized food plans, in fact they talk against it!!  and there is the rub..

Doctoring is a business, if the patients are well, why would they come see a Dr.?  If there was a 50% reduction in the amount of patient visits, how many people would be out of work?  There are many people required to push all of the paper to get paid by the insurance, and half of the support staff and half of all of the testing personnel, etc...  As well as half of the drugs sold, so half of the pharmacists and drug stores, and long term care facilities...

Government can't have that, as unemployment would be much worse than it is today...  They don't see that there would be all of these people that felt good who would be productive looking to solve the many other issues that we have...

Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 4:42pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain right now, and I hope you detox quickly.


I too have fibromyalgia and haven't had gluten grains in nearly 4 years...I have been following
my SWAMI for nearly a year and still I have fibro flares.  It's not quite as simple as a bread allergy..For you it might be a bread allergy but I think for me, it's far bigger than a food issue.

I hope you detox quickly too...This diet  has a way of waking you up when you cheat and putting
you back on the right path.  Good luck Goldie..:)

Posted by: SoulfulLori, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 5:06pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from ABJoe

Doctoring is a business, if the patients are well, why would they come see a Dr.?  If there was a 50% reduction in the amount of patient visits, how many people would be out of work?  There are many people required to push all of the paper to get paid by the insurance, and half of the support staff and half of all of the testing personnel, etc...  As well as half of the drugs sold, so half of the pharmacists and drug stores, and long term care facilities...

Government can't have that, as unemployment would be much worse than it is today...  They don't see that there would be all of these people that felt good who would be productive looking to solve the many other issues that we have...



Hey ABJoe...do you think it is as simple as that?  I often say the same thing but I wonder if it has also as much to do with the very birth of this thread...human nature.  Goldie knows better and yet went and "poisoned" herself.  Family members tell me I work too hard at this stuff and that they rather just take a pill.  If a pill did make me feel better, perhaps I would have done that but it never did.  My body only likes a pristine lifestyle and though it is work, maybe I'm lucky.  People lose sight of what it truly important and worth effort and therefore want pills and instant relief.  People often just want to be and do like everyone else..it is easier that way they feel.  Some of us know better others learn the hard way and still some never will know the difference.

Goldie...get it together darn it.  A few days of poison doesn't make you a bad lady but you know better.  Don't make me come over there and "give you what for".  (Lola made me say it.)  JK
;D
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 6:39pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from SoulfulLori
Hey ABJoe...do you think it is as simple as that?  I often say the same thing but I wonder if it has also as much to do with the very birth of this thread...human nature.  Goldie knows better and yet went and "poisoned" herself.  Family members tell me I work too hard at this stuff and that they rather just take a pill.  If a pill did make me feel better, perhaps I would have done that but it never did.  My body only likes a pristine lifestyle and though it is work, maybe I'm lucky.  People lose sight of what it truly important and worth effort and therefore want pills and instant relief.  People often just want to be and do like everyone else..it is easier that way they feel.  Some of us know better others learn the hard way and still some never will know the difference. ;D


I can't disagree with anything you said...  My body is much like yours in that there isn't much demand for what does it harm...  I've also watched enough of human nature to know that many people, including me, like the easy way...  

I can't imagine that there isn't a certain amount of "protect our interest", especially when I hear of Dr.s having to write a certain number of prescriptions, lobbyists pushing more herb control, etc...
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 6:56pm; Reply: 11
CLOE!!!!! I am so sorry .. and I still say lets try to fix you.. as I fixed me... (when I am being compliant)..

do you even have a clue where you're fibro comes from..

anger, emotions, upsets, long term pain from someplace.. some accident, some repeated injuries?? some other thing.. I searched for many years and little by little I found issues and resolved them..

for me one was of a need for manganese.. I found it by ACCIDENT..

but a test on a ZYTO (.com) machine.. would possibly tell you what item you may need to add or take away from.. I was able to confirm my need with it.. if you are possibly interested in more info I will tell you more, or look for where I already wrote about it here a while ago..

for me it was one thing for others like you it might be another.. but please keep searching..

YOU are right about (my) saing just whet or grains or whatever I was speaking in generalities.. the pathway might be another item, (while) pills are not..
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:02pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from SoulfulLori


  Goldie knows better and yet went and "poisoned" herself


The thing is, I think most of us who have been following this way of eating know better too but how many times have we all done the same thing? Poisoned ourselves again and again? Dr. D says the healthier you are, the more easily you can handle toxins...so sometimes, we might not really know how far we've come in our healing journey.

I still really react badly to toxins...I wind up having to eat super cleanly for the next 24 hours..
and usually with lots and lots of water and herbal teas, I can regain my equilibrium...but in the
moment...cheating has a way of numbing your mind, making you forget your past experience
with wrong foods....and you just go for instant gratification and find yourself crashing and
burning.

Goldie can be any of us...I think we've all walked in her shoes at one time or another!


Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:11pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Chloe
I still really react badly to toxins...

Goldie can be any of us...I think we've all walked in her shoes at one time or another!

I still react badly to all beneficials...  I have enough discomfort from detoxing, I have no desire to eat anything that would prolong the pain... :o  Maybe after I get detoxed, I'll forget what toxins felt like enough to walk in her shoes...  I hope not, though... ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:17pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Goldie
CLOE!!!!! I am so sorry .. and I still say lets try to fix you.. as I fixed me... (when I am being compliant)..

do you even have a clue where you're fibro comes from..


I don't think the experts have a true clue as to "the" cause of fibro......I go for massages see an acupuncturist, an osteopath, I follow my SWAMI almost to the letter....but there are flare ups that are random...and it can be from sources that have nothing to do with my life...I can be perfectly happy, feeling healthy....I can overdo exercise one day without being aware...It can be weather stress, dehydration, a preservative in a food...something I might not know about....The
signs are usually a lot of fluid retention...a headache...a sense of toxicity...and then suddenly,
the all over body aching....trigger points that get set off and register as pain.

I appreciate your offer to help fix me, Goldie...but I'm not walking around feeling badly most of
the time. I've made a lot of progress in the past year.. My point was that I still have issues with a diagnosis called fibromyalgia...I've had Lymes disease twice....late stage Lymes for many years that was untreated.  If you read the thread where we spoke about Lymes for Ribbit, I fully explained all the alternative treatment I've had...and how symptoms, despite our best intentions
to live a clean life might linger on indefinitely...

When a diet like the Genotype diet helps to work on rebuilding so much in a person's body
I expect there can be a lot of toxicity that has to be purged...constantly...and and it takes
a lot of diligence to eat well, especially when we aren't always eating food we made ourselves.

I can go for weeks and feel okay...but some days wake up and everything hurts....If I remind
myself to eat all diamonds for a few days...drink lots and lots of water to help flush everything
out of my body that might be toxic, I can usually get to the other side and feel better.

Thanks again for your help....It's often easier to know wheat is to blame for symptoms.  For
me, wheat was a trigger too...but after all this time taking Deflect, I doubt I've got any wheat
lectins left in my body...And I never touch gluten grains anymore at all.



Posted by: DenverFoodie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:51pm; Reply: 15
Here's what's so.

There is no power in the "knowing".  Knowing never makes a difference.
Your profound power resides in the "being".  Being requires doing and that's what makes a difference.   :B
Posted by: SoulfulLori, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 7:53pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Chloe


The thing is, I think most of us who have been following this way of eating know better too but how many times have we all done the same thing? Poisoned ourselves again and again? Dr. D says the healthier you are, the more easily you can handle toxins...so sometimes, we might not really know how far we've come in our healing journey.

I still really react badly to toxins...I wind up having to eat super cleanly for the next 24 hours..
and usually with lots and lots of water and herbal teas, I can regain my equilibrium...but in the
moment...cheating has a way of numbing your mind, making you forget your past experience
with wrong foods....and you just go for instant gratification and find yourself crashing and
burning.

Goldie can be any of us...I think we've all walked in her shoes at one time or another!




Absolutely Chloe!  A little bit of toxin throws me off and after what seems to be a lifetime of carrying bricks on my shoulders, I want to put down the load.  Still, all the same...I am tempted and have tasted and have gone the route Goldie did...maybe not 3 days worth but all the same I knew better.  I was teasing a bit here with saying she poisoned herself.  Goldie is a very active member here that has over and over exclaimed over how wonderful this WOL is and even she can slip and lose sight of the prize.  Sadly, my point is that most people don't even know any better and ergo big pharma will very much be in business.  I have not come far in my journey and avoids remind me instantly from where I came.  Instant gratification...such an evil temptress.  I have a visual in my mind and it is making me laugh.
Posted by: SoulfulLori, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 8:01pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from ABJoe


I can't disagree with anything you said...  My body is much like yours in that there isn't much demand for what does it harm...  I've also watched enough of human nature to know that many people, including me, like the easy way...  

I can't imagine that there isn't a certain amount of "protect our interest", especially when I hear of Dr.s having to write a certain number of prescriptions, lobbyists pushing more herb control, etc...


Yeah, I know neither of us can get away with anything.  I love the easy way but it seems that everything in my life goes down the road less traveled...

I'm quite sure of the protect our interest part.  It is in everything.  My hubby did a short time working for Merck.  Viox was his drug.  They already knew there was a hitch and the told him to keep pushing it.  He had a very hard time dealing with it but had babies to feed, got very ill and quit.  He told me how it was all about numbers and courting the doctors.  Lots of money and a very dirty business.  My family owned drug stores growing up.  Largest chain on the east coast in the 70's.  3rd party money from pharma sales was huge.  

Starting to feel like staying home all the time and living like Tasha Tudor.  Have I lost my mind?

Again...back to Goldie's thread...next time Goldie you think of going the easy way, question would you let a little child you love do such a thing.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 8:53pm; Reply: 18
I don't think that everybody in the medical system is bad or trying to make money by sickening us. Deep down, yes, the system is flawed and there's a lot of corruption at the base of it. But many individual doctors, nurses, pharmacists, ect I've met honestly and truly are out to help people. They got into the medical field because they want to help people, and are doing so- with the tools they have and with the best of intentions. I know there are "bad doctors" out there, and I've met a handful of them, but for the most part I've worked with well-meaning individuals who simply don't have the tools to heal the whole person and don't think they have to. They think they're healing people by prescribing drugs to mask symptoms, and while they understand the limitations of their medicines, they don't know of any alternatives nor seek them out.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 9:03pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I don't think that everybody in the medical system is bad or trying to make money by sickening us.

Please, I hope my post didn't give you the thought that I think everybody in any profession is bad...
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 9:27pm; Reply: 20
Quoted Text
I don't think that everybody in the medical system is bad or trying to make money by sickening us. Deep down, yes, the system is flawed and there's a lot of corruption at the base of it. But many individual doctors, nurses, pharmacists, ect I've met honestly and truly are out to help people. They got into the medical field because they want to help people, and are doing so- with the tools they have and with the best of intentions. I know there are "bad doctors" out there, and I've met a handful of them, but for the most part I've worked with well-meaning individuals who simply don't have the tools to heal the whole person and don't think they have to. They think they're healing people by prescribing drugs to mask symptoms, and while they understand the limitations of their medicines, they don't know of any alternatives nor seek them out.


my POINT ABOVE IN THE FIRST POST IS ABOUT educating DOC.. SO THEY CAN SEE THE BENEFIT THEY COULD SAW EARLY ON IN THEIR LIFE AND THAT OF THE CLIENT..

The idea that WE are a test tube is so clear here.. that we are a double blind study so obvious..

what would one have to do to make on article or a story or a finding on the MEDICAL journals?? what would it take.. if not the Nobel in science..?

I think WE have proven over and over that the answers are right here, understanding each of our own needs and discoveries.. some need this some need that and still other need some other thing.. what we all need is FOOD .. food for US what did one person say: n=1 yes indeed... but together we are on army of literally millions... and proven over the years.. proven beyond question.. so why are there still millions who will disagree when I say 'I' can't have wheat, dairy or the likes.. for each of us.. why are they still arguing that BALANCE is best?? I mean it is like arguing that one should not wash hands.. how many years is it since and yet here we are again .. nay sayers.. with authority.. and that is the scary part.. some listen to much to authority of knowing.. when they just don't know..

I would like to dare EACH Doctor to be pressed in reading our post here for one day.. before starting to PRACTICE on us.. what a different that would make???  ::) :o ::) :o instead ....  8) :X ??)  
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 11:35am; Reply: 21
you see my dear Goldie what's about the forces of *psyche-patterns* ;) ;D... :X

btw... I think we really have to be aware that it needs a complete change  in our whole society in life managements... it's all about *no time* *hurriyng for money* and all those blo....y patterns that we got as so called belief-system... what does make us tick??)!  :P.... I really only can recommend to read the ruiz booklet about the 5th agreement..... yep my dearle we've to work onto ourselves... this isn't the part of others but ours... next: the littlw word about *awareness*.... it's too funny but it works.....(smarty)(ok)(whistle)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:12pm; Reply: 22
Yes indeed but progress has to come in our children's lifetime.. not enough to just .....

I wish I had known 50 years earlier.. my life and the life of some around me would have benefitted from it..

I was lucky I could travel and try endless massages, sport or other wise, Dr's visits, chioros, accu and holistic and you name it,  I had the money and will to do it .. I learned I studied and I compared,

was it all a waste of time.. mostly.. it just kept me going from one day to the next without losing my mind.. I could work, I could function with pain pills, I did not suffer depressions.. I was enthusiastic about life.. YET.. many years were spent just existing.. not worth it for me, not worth it for those around me, not worth it for others who suffer the same even today.. there has to be hope that We or the world can MAKE a difference!! Hope is all I have ..

P/S and you are right I will read the book when I get there..!
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 2:50pm; Reply: 23
if you google them, it's even enough to watch their messages as little presentations...amazing...really amazing makes clickediclick by hearing the real meaning in their spoken words, all three, father and two sons are justamente great ... :D(clap)(ok)(dance)(sunny)(sunny)(sunny)and in their honest speeches... they hit the nail...weeew....but I think they have to get to know about better eating habits... I guess father might be explorer, the youngest son as well (or gatherer??) but the oldest son is surely a warrior....arrggghhh Isa...deformation professionelle....sorry... ;) :o :B ;D ;D and remember *don't make assumptions*..... I didn't... it was a guess :D...(funny)(funny)(funny)
Posted by: seagypsy, Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:07am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Goldie


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD::: ARE  WE here NOT ENOUGH OF A double BLIND STUDY to convince even the most dense'est of humans??? and health boards every where??  

ARE WE not a study that some foods are good for some and poison for others.. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Look at all our threads .. Is our own unpaid voluntary experience not enough to declare war??? !!!!

ARE we not ALL BETTER than even some group of so many nurses to be studied over 5 years?? ARE WE NOT ALL a study?? for crying out loud when will people have to stop suffering just because Doctors POO POO The BTD idea??  AND THIS STUDY is going on IN THE OPEN - free of pressure and free of censure???!!!  

what does it take.. I know what:  lets sue some org or some other know it all, and collectively raise heck?? while raising awareness??

It's the Doctors who are nay sayers, and its the DOCTORS WHO give us arthritis and fibromyalgia..

WHEN will we grow TEETH???  ;D ;D ;D ;D  :o ::) :X >:( Teeth to bite with!!  ;D

How to spell dense? dencer? or densest??


I was just browsing through the forums this morning when I came across this and I felt I had to say something.
I have been reading a lot of Doctor D's stuff lately. Some I agree with and some things I am skeptical about. Some things I have taken on board and other things will never become part of my life. In other words I am getting what I need out of this without spending a whole load of dosh and without becoming fanatical.
Its words like the above that really put me off this entire thing but then I have to nip myself because it wasn't so long ago that I made such an enlightening discovery about my own hormones, that I wanted to shout it off the rooftops.. I wanted every middle aged woman to have a full understanding of hormone imbalance and how they could radically help themselves. Its frustrating isn't it, when all these people you feel you could help, just don't seem interested. What I learnt on that journey is not to become obsessed. Obsession looks like an addiction and addiction looks like an illness. Before you know it, nobody is listening to you anymore and your just another fruit cake statistic.
I get the impression on here that some people believe that they are somehow superior to those who are not following the diet. The little outburst that I quoted is in my opinion, disturbing enough to put off the curious. If this had been the first post I had ever read on here it would also of been my last.

There are ways of passing on information by intelligent and logical discussion.
Showing frustration is counter productive to ones own health and actually does more harm than good.

My message is.... calm down or all of this will just be treated in the same regard as a numb skull commercial.


Posted by: Lola, Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:26pm; Reply: 25
this is a self help forum and everyone is free to express what s in their minds, as long as no one gets hurt in the process.

anyone wanting to participate goes through a registration process and only those looking for their personal answers to health go through that process.

moderators here do their best in keeping these forums safe.
you are also free to express your believes, even though some may consider your approach different from theirs.

let s try and respect people as they are as long as they are not causing any harm.
free expression is key in a democracy. :)
Posted by: johnsontribe6, Saturday, August 28, 2010, 2:44am; Reply: 26
I started the BTD and moved on to the Genotype. My husband was a little skeptical, couldn't understand why I was so strict and fanatical. He actually got upset if I didn't "cheat". Well, the changes were so profound that he decided to let me change his diet. He is kind of a crazy life changing dieter himself now. I do "cheat" though. Yeah, I have a day of discomfort. Is it worth the discomfort I feel and the extra pound or 2. Ask me while I'm eating it, I'll say yes. Afterwards no. Will I do it again..probably. They are just some things that I can give up. Pizza. Ice cream. We are all going to die some day of something. Why suffer and regret that I didn't enjoy something that I really loved?? Feeling guilty about it just aggravates my A stress level. There has to be a happy medium. I agree  with seagypsy when she said ......calm down or all of this will just be treated in the same regard as a numb skull commercial.
Posted by: yaeli, Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:24pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Goldie

I mean really how stupid can a society of MULTY MILLIONS  be??

Ignorant. Immensely.

Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:36pm; Reply: 28
so it is... but this is and was the true intention of some ::) (mad)(evil)(dead)(eek)
associations to rule the world by working with all kinds of feeling to get people into the right track to  manipulate us to the finest.... as Ruiz mentiones... look and verify your thoughts and believe systems.... it's all about that as well...(pray)(smile)
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:51pm; Reply: 29
I see what you’re saying Sea gypsy.   It is like people who are passionate about their religion or politics and want everybody to believe as they do.  If they get over zealous, then they turn people off.  But I also see why Goldie wants to shout it from the rooftops, but she doesn’t, she posts here where her fellow BTDers are.  This forum is where we can feel comfortable freely expressing our love of this diet and frustration that the whole world doesn’t believe as we do.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, August 29, 2010, 12:01pm; Reply: 30
fine statement RL :K) ;) ;D..........
Posted by: kauaian, Monday, August 30, 2010, 7:03pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from seagypsy


I was just browsing through the forums this morning when I came across this and I felt I had to say something.
I have been reading a lot of Doctor D's stuff lately. Some I agree with and some things I am skeptical about. Some things I have taken on board and other things will never become part of my life. In other words I am getting what I need out of this without spending a whole load of dosh and without becoming fanatical.
Its words like the above that really put me off this entire thing but then I have to nip myself because it wasn't so long ago that I made such an enlightening discovery about my own hormones, that I wanted to shout it off the rooftops.. I wanted every middle aged woman to have a full understanding of hormone imbalance and how they could radically help themselves. Its frustrating isn't it, when all these people you feel you could help, just don't seem interested. What I learnt on that journey is not to become obsessed. Obsession looks like an addiction and addiction looks like an illness. Before you know it, nobody is listening to you anymore and your just another fruit cake statistic.
I get the impression on here that some people believe that they are somehow superior to those who are not following the diet. The little outburst that I quoted is in my opinion, disturbing enough to put off the curious. If this had been the first post I had ever read on here it would also of been my last.

There are ways of passing on information by intelligent and logical discussion.
Showing frustration is counter productive to ones own health and actually does more harm than good.

My message is.... calm down or all of this will just be treated in the same regard as a numb skull commercial.




As Lola said above, we come here to voice opinions & frustrations here because most people here understand & have been through similar situations.  We are not obsessed or think we are superior to non BTD people.  Just the opposite we try to get our family & friends on board because we know it will help them & we love them....
Posted by: seagypsy, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:33am; Reply: 32
Your right. Everyone has a right to voice an opinion and that’s exactly what I am doing and what I will do in this very post.
I wouldn’t stoop so low as to call millions of people stupid as I think that’s more than a little unreasonable. Its only very recently I even so much as heard of this diet and from hereon, its up to me to read, research, read the pros and cons and make an informed decision.
A double blind study according to Wikipedia is, a blinded experiment where some of the persons involved are prevented from knowing certain information that might lead to conscious or unconscious bias on their part.
WE ARE NOT PARTAKING IN A BLIND STUDY
Neither are we a ‘collective study’, but more a collective consciousness.
This is a pro forum where huge influence towards everything Dr D says is ‘truth’ but wherever one finds and learns in a certain direction, they will become part of cognitive bias.  There is no room here for controversy. We can be as expressive as we want providing we DON’T hesitate in our belief. Our belief may of stemmed from proof that something worked for ‘US’ or proof that something worked for ‘OTHERS’ or our belief may of grown from an emotional state where we need to believe. That belief is our last and only hope.
My belief remains suspended between two contradictory propositions and that right now, at this moment in time, I am unable to assent one way or another.  It is very typical for some people, in a place such as this, to work on convincing me. ‘I have been on the diet; it has done wonderful things for my health, my weight and my mental state. I have seen the diet work and so it must be the truth’. Others would see me as a threat, an un-pure imposter and others would wonder what I was doing here.
I came here out of interest but was always conscious that this diet and this following was not a charity and that amongst all this happy bliss, large sums of money were swapping hands.
I came here with the full knowledge of persuasion and that knowledge has allowed me to read these forums without being influenced by a proactive un-scientific group.  
I haven’t knocked the diet, I haven’t knocked any of this but I have asked some pertinent questions that I believe are very relevant to this lifestyle.  I feel almost embarrassed to ask relevant and logical questions just in case those questions show doubt. Its like I have entered someone else's putative territory and I must show a puritan attitude if I’m to be accepted.
I must emphasize though WE ARE NOT A STUDY. If we were a study then we would be getting all these vitamins, minerals, books and DVD’s for free and possibly even be paid for doing this.
Neither are we volunteers! We come here from need and personal choice.  This is not another Framingham study (which btw is ongoing)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 5:27pm; Reply: 33
Quoted Text
our belief may of grown from an emotional state


this lifestyle has in fact helped many emotionally, among other benefits
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 5:51pm; Reply: 34
All the words above are wonderful even as they provide better conversations..

I am crying for all those who are being told by DOCTORS that this or that is the right American diet, never even giving the results reported here a second thought!

I cry for those who are not supported because they don't know, because their Nutritionists don't know the differences..

I cry for all who quaver over words and don't see past them.  its those restrictions that does not make progress in food pyramids, the progress is way to slow and one sided.. sad!

I see the differences THINKING for one self can do, as is shown by PC and a many others here who really do test, who really do contribute and who do experiment in their own body's with the available info to make them and their families feel better!

I feel for all who suffer-- I was one of them-- I suffered enormously for years and years and I feel for all who are yet coming here to learn and decide what is good for them..

I get so many wonderful photos in e-mails sent to me .. I wish I could forward pictures of mouthwatering foods created with health in mind to all and circle the world with them..

and as we get healthy so will our minds get healthy also..  and the crying can stop..
8)
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 6:50pm; Reply: 35
(clap) That's our Goldie!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 6:55pm; Reply: 36
Quoted Text
I feel for all who suffer-- I was one of them


past tense is past tense!
well done! :)
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:37pm; Reply: 37
No we are not in a study, we know that.  Sorry if some of us pretty much hold Dr. D in the highest esteem but we don't blindly follow him either, she was just being over zealous sometimes it happens.  ;D
Posted by: seagypsy, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 10:19pm; Reply: 38
To paraphrase Charlie Chaplin, a quote that seems appropriate here.



'Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great, brutish idiot that goes where prodded.'
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 11:15pm; Reply: 39
we can learn a lot in 15 years.. 25 is even better.. someone said: we are not wise until after 50.. and you don't believe it until your 50..  :-/
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 11:28pm; Reply: 40
Alas, brain fog also kicks in around that time. ;)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 1:26am; Reply: 41
8)
Posted by: seagypsy, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:51am; Reply: 42
Actually, this is where I go full hardheartedly with Dr D theories.
This is about optimizing nourishment not only for your body but for your brain too.
The right diet provides many benefits, including improving learning and memory and helping to fight against mental disorders like depression, mood disorders and even dementia.
Brain fog will hopefully become a thing of the past  :)
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:43am; Reply: 43
Quoted from seagypsy
To paraphrase Charlie Chaplin, a quote that seems appropriate here.

'Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great, brutish idiot that goes where prodded.'
Love it!!!! ;D

Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:52am; Reply: 44
Quoted Text
Actually, this is where I go full hardheartedly with Dr D theories.
This is about optimizing nourishment not only for your body but for your brain too.
The right diet provides many benefits, including improving learning and memory and helping to fight against mental disorders like depression, mood disorders and even dementia.
Brain fog will hopefully become a thing of the past


So you see we say the same thing.. wishing we could bring enlightenment to all those who need it and those who could make a difference in million of lives with 'professionals' at least just not talking against our way of eating, living and sharing what we learn here for so many years already... :X  8)

  
Posted by: seagypsy, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 12:10pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Goldie


So you see we say the same thing.. wishing we could bring enlightenment to all those who need it and those who could make a difference in million of lives with 'professionals' at least just not talking against our way of eating, living and sharing what we learn here for so many years already... :X  8)

  

All you can do is give people the necessary information and let them do their own research.
What we shouldn't do is blame them, call them stupid or dense if they decide not to use the same route as yourself.
You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 12:55pm; Reply: 46
so here is the understanding I am writing about..

No-  doctors STILL think in their educated minds that BTD has nothing to do with health, that diabetics should eat so many carbs with the results being that they need more meds.. That organizations like the HEART, CANCER Society and the March of dimes and autism orgs still don't support the work done here -one person at a time -to prevent illness long before it gets out of hand.  The same for the NATIONAL education system that is still feeding all our kids food that will do nothing but turn on their brain addiction centers, or overload their ability to think after school lunches.. only to soon need endless meds for stomach regurgitations and worse.  Children suffer, as do adults, and sadly even our doctors do also.. two of my previous doctors are 150 pounds overweight, have diabetes, psoriasis and urinary issues.. but they EAT A BALANCED diet full of carbs and full of expensive cheeses and foods that could so easily be replaced, going from AVOID to BENEFICIAL.. and they both would be caught dead rather then come here to learn.. they did all their 'learning' in med school.. way superior!! :-/

Yes,  People who come here are free to make their own decisions, no issues with that, but I have seen to often where people in authority are actually discouraging their clients -who are asking for help- admonish thus disallow them to even to 'think' about coming here and allow them freedom to choose... laughing all the way to the bank.  8)

maybe You where reacting to semantics - I was looking at the big picture and the lives of many who suffer.. :o
Posted by: seagypsy, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 2:46pm; Reply: 47
We have to appreciate that most general practitioners further their education by reading glossy documents sent to them by the giant pharmaceutical companies. The ones with a little more 'get up and go' will also read medical trials, case studies, pilot studies, clinical trials. They need reading matter.
Coming here and reading the forums is not something a doctor is likely to do and even if he did, what would it all mean? its no different than going to a religious forum and reading that 'religion' made our lives so much better. An nonreligious person would just say,'that doesn't prove there is a God'
This is not about being convinced, its about proof.
Why or how could a doctor suggest this diet when he doesn't know the outcome? what if something happened to his patient. What if his patient died and he suddenly found he had a law suit hanging over his head? A doctors job is to prescribe a product that has been medically tested because only that way can he safeguard his livelihood.

I was sat reading one of Dr D's books the other day when my niece inquired about it. I explained briefly about Dr D's beliefs and she became more interested.
My niece has a rare brain tumor, she has diabetes mellitus and diabetus insipidus. Her pituitary gland is embedded in the tumor and she needs numerous drugs just to keep her alive. She is blind in one eye and her body size is large because of all the drugs. My niece has an excellent 'Multi disciplinary team'. She has one of the worlds most renowned neurosurgeons and that team have prolonged her life expectancy by 5 years. Its medical professionals like this that I have the utmost respect for.
She may well be interested in her blood type. She smiled when she discovered she was a warrior but for people like her, that's as far as this can go. I for one would never encourage someone like her to try anything that her MDT aren't already encouraging her to do.

On the other hand I am with you when you talk about diet and health. Prescription drugs are the new cure all and it seems that everyone wants some ::) I also believe that too many people are far too reliant on their doctor. Doctors neither have the time or energy to understand the complexities of our bodies. Instead of finding the cause, they just treat the symptoms.
I firmly believe that many complex medical conditions could and can be remedied by something as simple as the right diet but in the complicated world that we live in, most people wouldn't believe that.
We have had many bad diets come and go. People have died from particular diets that were promoted via the media and people have become cautious. Who can blame them?
I believe that self education is the only way forward.
Put your frustrations away and get on with making your own mind and body healthy.
People will notice because the 'proof is always in the pudding' :)
Its the people close to you that will notice. 'wow, she has lost weight, her hair shines, her skin tone looks great, she's glowing' That is how others will notice you. Your a walking advert and a million words on these forums will not convince others to go on this diet. You tell me how great this diet is but for all I know you could be 25 stone with greasy hair and zits!
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 6:26pm; Reply: 48
:o
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 6:27pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from seagypsy
:o


  You tell me how great this diet is but for all I know you could be 25 stone with greasy hair and zits!


Posted by: Valerie, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:45pm; Reply: 50
Very, very interesting. I remember how all of this started for me. I started working with the public and I got sick and stayed sick, then I broke out in hives all over my body. I itched terrible. The only thing that helped was soda baths. I went to the Dr. and they gave me antiobiotics and prednisone. Nothing helped. I spent around $1,000 for nothing. My ex-husband brought home a book he found and said I got this for you because you are sick all of the time. I was in the bathtub broke out with hives reading this book. I was horrified and became scared with what I was reading about perservatives, pesticides and ingredients in our foods. I was in shock about the drugs we take. It was a very powerful book and it woke me up. I first started a multi-vitamin, garlic and vitamin-c and the hives disapperard and I got better in 4 days. Then, I t tried a cleanser and it had the Blood Type Diet as one of the diets for a guide. I went to the Health store and this lady knew all about it. She got me started and that is how I found Dr. D. I lost 60lbs in 5 months following it faithfully. This diet is a miracle. I never felt better in my life. I will end on that positive note. Good Luck to you all!!! :) :) :)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:10pm; Reply: 51
Clean, Green, and Lean:
http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Green-Lean-Toxins-That/dp/0470409231
was this the book?
Posted by: SandrAruba, Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:04pm; Reply: 52
I know how people can get excited about this lifestyle. I know I am and I have to contain my enthusiasm when people ask me what I am doing to myself, because people are constantly telling how much better I am looking and ask me "how much weight did you loose??!!"

The other day I was talking to someone and she told me that her doctor told she probably had spastic bowels, my first reaction was straight from my heart and I told her she could probably get rid of a lot of her symptoms by just changing what she eats. Then she tells me she also had a thyroid problem and gained about 20 kilo's in the last few months. Yeah, I could see that. So I shared a part of my thyroid problems and how BTD helped me. But the more I said that she could get rid of a lot of symptons, by eating different, the more she was telling me how much she liked, milk and cheese and bread and chicken... and then proceeds to tell me that when she eats those things she gets sick and stomach pains.

I told her I was more then happy to help her start with a different diet that will make her feel good. She said she would rather wait for the results from the test she is going to get next month. At that point it dawned on me, people do not like to take responsibility. They will not accept that they are the ones causing their ailments and will rather be able to say "I can't help it, my doctor tells me I have ....(name your ailment here)". Or, "my doctor doesn't know what's wrong with me".

And it makes sense, it's so much easier to blame someone else for what is wrong for you then to say, "I'm feeling like s**t because I eat the wrong things".

Those who are brave enough to take matters into their own hands are the ones on this board or at least they are willing to learn. Anyone on BTD/GTD knows that when you eat the wrong things, you are responsible for feeling bad. And you know very well that if you eat the right things again you will feel good again.

We all have our weaknesses and for most people food is a comfort thing and they are just not willing to give up certain things. Furthermore, most don't believe that it can be THAT wrong. How can it be bad if it has the "healthy choice" label from the government on it?

I am glad I found BTD and anyone willing to listen I will tell them about it. Otherwise I have learned to keep my mouth shut (even though that is so very hard sometimes).

Now if only I can get myself to take responsibility in other areas of my life as well...

Posted by: amazon, Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:27pm; Reply: 53
Couldn't have said it any better SandrAruba, those are my thoughts exactly.
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:38pm; Reply: 54
Trying to make others wrong will not make a difference.  Their "no" is just a "no for now".  This protocol may not be for everyone.   :-/
Posted by: amazon, Monday, September 6, 2010, 6:52pm; Reply: 55
You can't force people to change if they don't want to. In my area of the midwest corn, pork, wheat, and dairy are the main staple foods that are all served at almost every meal. Most people are not open to change and refuse to ever do so. When I got diagnosed with celiac disease (gluten intolerant) everyone told me to stop being such a baby and just eat it (meaning wheat). The only people I know that are open to this kind of lifestyle are people I've met in college that are from other areas of the US and from other countries. Some are even from Colorado and have got me thinking about moving there after I finish up grad school :)
Posted by: Narc, Monday, September 6, 2010, 10:44pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from SandrAruba
At that point it dawned on me, people do not like to take responsibility. They will not accept that they are the ones causing their ailments and will rather be able to say "I can't help it, my doctor tells me I have ....(name your ailment here)". Or, "my doctor doesn't know what's wrong with me".

And it makes sense, it's so much easier to blame someone else for what is wrong for you then to say, "I'm feeling like s**t because I eat the wrong things".



Yes, and I believe the same applies with psychological health too!

So many are being given a label by doctors and prescribed medications. Depression for example. I was sued by an employee recently because according to the law they are not responsible for their disruptive moods and offending behavior because they suffer from depression. Behavior which would otherwise be grounds for dismissal.

"I am a complete [insert offensive word here], but I cant help it... my doctor says I have [name your clinical psychological disorder here]" ...

And then they continue to carry on taking destabilizing meds, visiting the doctors who cant really help, and they continue to feel sorry for themselves and seek pity from those around them.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, September 6, 2010, 11:25pm; Reply: 57
yes, diet ought to be the first line of defense.. THE only thing I will say on this is that more and more people are hearing about genetic differences and about food allergies.. so there is hope .. dim as it seems to be it still is a light in a long tunnel..    :)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 2:40am; Reply: 58
Quoted Text

Dr. D’s comment:  “In reality, the largest single cause of death is 'lifestyle suicide.”
;D
Posted by: misspudding, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 7:11am; Reply: 59
Frankly, I think this is still a work in progress for Dr. D.  It's taken decades to get where it has, but every now and then, he'll add something for a particular group that doesn't seem to be getting the most benefit from their particular diet, based on the latest research (usually fancy-schmancy, double-blind type studies).  That's what the GenoType Diet was for (and holy cow am I thankful for that).

I think we're all on the same page in the sense that most in the U.S. just want a pill to control their symptoms.  Conventional medicine isn't "bad" per se.  If it wasn't for vaccines and antibiotics and steroids, a lot of us would be dead right now, regardless of the right diet.  But in terms of chronic diseases and aging, you'd be hard pressed to find, in my OPINION, a better "cure" than the GTD.

Here's my personal testimony.  I had ER-worthy period cramps every single month on my standard American diet.  I was scared to death that I would continue having periods for several decades.  I tinkered with the idea of a hysterectomy in my twenties.  Once I went on the O BTD, no period cramps AT ALL.  I don't take any pain relievers for my period - at all - because I don't need them anymore.  I told my OB/GYN about my results?  "That doesn't sound right.  I can't imagine why eliminating something from your diet would make your periods better."  I love her, she delivered my son and does my yearly exam impeccably, but I hope that my little tidbit of information might open the door to her helping more of her patients and doing her job a little more effectively.  I don't want to see Western medicine eliminated, because I think it has it's place, but I just want people to open their eyes to things in medicine other than "band-aids".

And I think we can all agree on that.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:03pm; Reply: 60
8) 8) 8)

I wonder if ever it would be worth to pull out all the testimonies of people posted over the years.. and place them in one thread... and then send that thread to our doctors..

;D ;D ;D and it could have a the same effect in a thread that would show threads about how hard this diet is when one would rather drink a bottle of gin and get the weight loss food issue under control that way..  I don't drink but I might start.. I am so darn accustomed to eating avoids when I go out.. gin would be no worse.. :o
Posted by: misspudding, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 6:48pm; Reply: 61
So true!
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 8:13pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from Narc


Yes, and I believe the same applies with psychological health too!

So many are being given a label by doctors and prescribed medications. Depression for example. I was sued by an employee recently because according to the law they are not responsible for their disruptive moods and offending behavior because they suffer from depression. Behavior which would otherwise be grounds for dismissal.

"I am a complete [insert offensive word here], but I cant help it... my doctor says I have [name your clinical psychological disorder here]" ...

And then they continue to carry on taking destabilizing meds, visiting the doctors who cant really help, and they continue to feel sorry for themselves and seek pity from those around them.


I agree with both these comments. I can't believe how many people are begging for bills and how many bipolar people live here. I look at what they eat and how they live, what they are doing to themselves. If they would just clean up their act (food and behavior) they would be healthy and happy
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 8:26pm; Reply: 63
The other was Sandr Aruba's comment on meds.  

I understand they are useful, but I know people here (where I live) who are telling their doc. to give them Prozac or whatever as if it will make everything right.
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 8:47pm; Reply: 64
I hear it from my own family.  The avoids are ALL THE THINGS I LOVE.  I have to tell myself over & over again, they are young they still have the get out of jail free card.  If I don't tell myself this, I will LOSE MY MIND. ;D
Posted by: ktluvz2bmama, Monday, September 20, 2010, 4:49am; Reply: 65
Quoted from ruthiegirl
I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain right now, and I hope you detox quickly.


I don't know what "swami" is... but you may have further allergies... like to gluten or something....?? or maybe you have been sicker longer... and it'll still happen for you... but it'll take longer
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 20, 2010, 4:51am; Reply: 66
read all about it
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070
Posted by: ktluvz2bmama, Monday, September 20, 2010, 4:52am; Reply: 67
Quoted from Goldie
8) 8) 8)

I wonder if ever it would be worth to pull out all the testimonies of people posted over the years.. and place them in one thread... and then send that thread to our doctors..

;D ;D ;D and it could have a the same effect in a thread that would show threads about how hard this diet is when one would rather drink a bottle of gin and get the weight loss food issue under control that way..  I don't drink but I might start.. I am so darn accustomed to eating avoids when I go out.. gin would be no worse.. :o


OH I know!! I've thought things like this for years!!  But no.... they want money... and they disease to continue to make their living... especially after investing all that college time & money... so sad..
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 1:39pm; Reply: 68
ktluvz2bmama ... you are right about rants.. they do cause disturbances.. I should have labeled the post I am crying out loud.. ... it might have been easier to understand.. from my point of view..

as for rants.. better we have some here.. then stuffing it inside..

some posters understood my intentions while others did not..  in the end its not important. its just another post amongst so many.. BUT on the other hand if I could get my 200 thousands in money back for money I spent even outside of good medical insurance, I would be much better off in my old age.  And if I could get back my many years of painful suffering ( so many wasted days) I would be having a much better time to remember..  and I would not be one of the people that will have kidney disease from taking to many pain killer pills and getting immune from to many Antibiotics..

so yes words are potent and the wrong headline is indeed a problem.. but so is my frustration with all of us who suffer - needlessly!  like the mother of a sick child suffers enormous stomach issues but her doctor laughs at diet being a cause.. so she is 70 pounds over weight and soon will be given surgery .. but this BTD diet?-- No way!! ... would any one like to pay for that unnecessary surgery? and save her the money for it? and help her family while she recuperates??  ............... I don't think so ... BUT the doctors in her life will be happy, (she will go on the no food diet to accommodate the lap band) while she still will be sick from the AVOID foods.. foods that add weight, that cause her illness and make her feel bloated heavy and depressed.. But yes words are potent.. HER specialist laughed at the idea of BTD as a diet..  and she never considered it again.. after all Doctors know best.. and their words are POTENT also..

so if I put you off, then so be it, but don't use my words as on excuse for making your decisions.. much better you think for your self.. good luck.. and good luck with your hormones.. would you like to share the info on that? what did it do for you and who thought you?? I would like to have you shout from roof tops, it might help me to cope with my issues of not having slept more than 3 hours at a time for 20 years.. in fact- please help.. thanks..  8)
Posted by: 11080 (Guest), Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 6:28pm; Reply: 69
Quoted Text
I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.


Hi Ruthiegirl,

Since avoiding gluten 3 months ago, the primary health benefit I have is that my arthritis is gone.  I still get fibromyalgia flares, though, and it seems to coincide with eating corn derivatives (e.g., corn starch, citric acid, maltodextrin, some vinegars, dextrose, vanilla flavoring, vitamins, and even iodized salt is refined with corn).  Corn is insidious and so much harder to avoid than gluten!  I'm sure if you're following the O Nonnie BTD you also are avoiding corn.  But so much still sneaks into our food supply.  A really good web site that discusses corn allergens is http://www.CornAllergens.com

So I agree, fibromyalgia is not a bread allergy.  I'm more and more convinced it is a corn allergy, at least for me.  Do you avoid corn?  Do you have any tips for avoiding all of those hidden corn products?  The best way I've found is to avoid all products that have anything added, but that's not practical to do every time.



Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 1:24am; Reply: 70
great results ST!!! :)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 2:13am; Reply: 71
If I stay on BTD .. and eat O Nonnie SUPER BENEFICIALS and BENEFICIALS then I have no pain.. if I went back to (many) avoids I would be as bad as I ever was.. even neutrals are difficult for me..

Posted by: ecstasy, Monday, November 15, 2010, 1:18am; Reply: 72
Though I agree with everything you are saying the answer is simple, drug companies control everything..

(I THINK) I read somewhere that drug companies pay for much of what is taught in medical school. So doctors are brainwashed into using drugs to help patients symptoms from the get go.

Think about it... what would drug companies who make billions of dollars of prescriptions medications get out of publicizing information about how their diet could help them feel better? The drug companies would lose SO MUCH money.

Decreased pain meds, depression, anti inflammatory drugs, adhd meds, I mean.. the list goes on and on. I actually have read how different types of meds.. like anti depressants actually block some type of allergen that usually reaches the brain which can be a cause of depression (or something like that).
      Pretty much the drug companies know that interactions with foods influence moods, but they gain nothing from telling society to change this or that in their diet.

Even though it is all very corrupt and wrong... it is what it is. And since the drug companies have so much money, they have such a hold on the medical system and the media. Money = power
Posted by: Lola, Monday, November 15, 2010, 5:25am; Reply: 73
yes, use the search window, top right corner here and read all which has been said here
on this same ole same ole song!!! ;)
Posted by: Possum, Monday, November 15, 2010, 7:56am; Reply: 74
Quoted from Goldie
...on the other hand if I could get my 200 thousands in money back for money I spent even outside of good medical insurance, I would be much better off in my old age.  And if I could get back my many years of painful suffering ( so many wasted days) I would be having a much better time to remember..  and I would not be one of the people that will have kidney disease from taking to many pain killer pills and getting immune from to many Antibiotics..

...it might help me to cope with my issues of not having slept more than 3 hours at a time for 20 years.. in fact- please help.. thanks..  8)
What is it that is stopping you sleeping? Surely the BTD/GTD/Swami would address that? Do you think emotional yearning (such as the above "if I could get back....") is robbing you of peace? Or perhaps an imbalance of supplements? Are you getting enough magnesium?

Posted by: meribelle, Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 12:22pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from Lola
Dr. D’s comment:  “In reality, the largest single cause of death is 'lifestyle suicide.”  ;D


I have never read this quote, but it is awesome.  I just have to re-post it!  I know several people, including myself sometimes I am sorry to say, who act like this.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 12:37pm; Reply: 76
Gosh you uprooted on old rant of mine.. doctors who don't care to learn and then denegrate their patients attempts at SELF improvements and thus curtail help with a good diet, when the patient needs it most.  Those and other 'professionals' shutt the door before they allow the courrage to try a new life style, since after all : :-/patients can't go against their Docotrs advice! .. ::)

Quoted Text
Dr. D’s comment:  “In reality, the largest single cause of death is 'lifestyle suicide.”


.. and then the are left to do what DrD said..



Posted by: passionprincess, Monday, April 4, 2011, 9:59am; Reply: 77
I fell off the wagon on Saturday evening for dinner. I only eat diamonds on the GTD and have done so about 99.95% of the time since I started. So Saturday evening, I was behind on schedule and did not feel like cooking. I ran over to the supermarket and got sushi (they have a pretty good selection) and had soy sauce, octopus, etc. ALL AVOIDS. Lo and behold - pain (muscle aches galore) and sleepiness! I ended up sleeping way too much but it was not worth it in the end. The sushi did not taste as good, either.

I tried to tell my friends the benefits of this diet. They think I am crazy and my messages on Facebook and their cell phone are SPAM. Only my family believes the benefit because they have seen my health issues get much better.

Thank God for this message board. At least I am able to voice my happiness and praise for the diet!
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, April 4, 2011, 6:27pm; Reply: 78
I don's spam my friends on facebook about BTD. I let it come out in normal conversation- sometimes I'll create a recipe, post it to typebase, then post the link to my recipe on FB. I mentioned the birthday cake was spelt and BTD compliant when I showed the pictures from a birthday party on FB.  It comes up in general nutrition chats on FB (which only include people who are interested in nutrition to begin with.) But I don't post links to BTD stuff on FB all that often, and i don't mention it when chatting about other thigns (like cute baby pictures.)
Posted by: passionprincess, Monday, April 4, 2011, 6:33pm; Reply: 79
Well, my friends thought my private message was spam. I only sent messages to two friends because they kept complaining about allergies and getting sick all the time. Oh well. I did not send the message again after that.

My classmates are interested, though, since they see drastic changes in my health. :)
Posted by: CybrtoothTigress, Monday, April 4, 2011, 10:29pm; Reply: 80
During a phone conversation with my daughter, who lives a couple thousand miles away, we started discussing gluten intolerance.  She wanted to know how to find out so I told her to check her fingerprints which she promptly did and go figure, she's got cracked fingerprints.

She picked my brain for ideas and promised she was really going to start taking care of herself.

A couple of months ago she posted on FB something about how a grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup just hit the spot.  I replied, all that gluten, lactose and nightshades?  I'll pass.  She stopped speaking to me and ended up deleting her FB page after I private messaged her three times.  All saying I was sorry but was only trying to support her decision to live healthy.  Truthfulness has never been her strong suit.  I should have remembered that.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 2:46am; Reply: 81
she ll be back when she s ready, no worries!
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 4:16am; Reply: 82
I am spending time wih a doctor oriented person and there is noway to convince her of anything .. it does not matter, she is she and I am me..

people like this are just themselves and no matter what we experience they come from a different place, thousands of miles between is just good enough..

if I am around such people I wish I was not, and no matter what my concerns might be, the others are not capable to have the kind of understanding neded to progress in their life....

to 'defend' them === I have issues with not being able to adhere to BTD as I must when under stress, so staying away is just best, such relationships are most often not worth the effort, and the stress to be under the feeling of wanting to keep up some valuable relationship only makes my own journey more dangerous for me.==== thus I think the others have the same need for distance as its just to stressful for everybody.

the hahaha moments come when after 40 years of don't eat eggs, now even the doctors  reverse their advice,.......life takes time..
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