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Posted by: Emster, Sunday, June 27, 2010, 4:45am
Hi, there.  I am 44, female and have been experiencing the usual perimenopause symptoms like foggy brain, forgetfulness, exhaustion, mood swings, thyroid issues, wanting to scratch someone's eyes out...you know...the usual.  So, I checked into natural hormone replacement therapy and started using Emerita's Progesta.  It's really helped with all of the above symptoms and more, but now my arms are starting to hurt when I drive.  I was just talking with a friend yesterday that is an O and she told me when she dropped potatoes from her diet, she almost immediately lost the pain she had constantly felt in her arms from (I believe) osteoarthritis.  So, that immediately made me think that maybe the pain in my arms is being caused by Progesta.  I'm supposed to avoid it as a food, but is it okay to use in the cream form?  And if not, does Dr. Dadamo have a an alternative suggestion to get the proper amount of progesterone to relieve my perimenopausal symptoms?  I feel so good except for my painful arms that I'm almost willing to just keep using the Progesta to feel like my old self again.  Thanks so much!
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 27, 2010, 4:58am; Reply: 1
follow the book recommendations
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED068S

also check the arthritis book....

the online protocols might also help you get started
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 27, 2010, 10:52am; Reply: 2
I nearly tried all herbs with + -  zero effects..... >:( then I begun progestogel 10% since 8 weeks and nearly all my hot shots are gone... and I feel great ....then I added Alchemilla from Ceres und feel even better.... :D but ok I am in plain menopausal issues....  :P
Posted by: maukik, Sunday, June 27, 2010, 2:56pm; Reply: 3
It could be causing an imbalance with your estrogen during part of your cycle. You didn't say how long during the month you have used it.  The last two weeks may be enough for you.  Too much progesterone in comparison to estrogen can make you feel that way.
Posted by: Emster, Sunday, June 27, 2010, 6:05pm; Reply: 4
I realize I left out some details.  Progesta's progesterone is derived from yams which are an avoid for As.  

I use Progesta according to the package insert's directions: Do not use on days 1-7 of menstrual cycle; days 8-21 apply 1/4 tsp. 2x daily; days 21-28 use 1/4-1/2 tsp 2x daily.  I have been using it since March.  It is enabling me to get through my days with much more energy by using it according to the package directions.  

Lola mentioned: "the online protocols might also help you get started."  Where online might I find these protocols?  Is it on this website?

Amazone I. says she began "progestogel 10% since 8 weeks and nearly all my hot shots are gone... and I feel great ....then I added Alchemilla from Ceres und feel even better."  I searched this product online and cannot find anything in English so I can't read what the ingredients are.  If it contains yams, I can't use it.  Not even sure I can buy it in the U.S.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, June 27, 2010, 8:09pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from Emster
"the online protocols might also help you get started."  Where online might I find these protocols?  Is it on this website?

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm
Posted by: VictoriousLiving, Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:26am; Reply: 6
Natural progesterone cream was recommended to me to get rid of a twitching facial nerve caused by a hormonal imbalance - it worked.  :)
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 6:51am; Reply: 7
Progestrone creme used now for 1,5 week and I feel great! Skin firmed up and hot flashes (mostly 3 times a day!)disappeared!
Feel more energized, especially in the evening..

Apply one pump per day!

Aweome cream! Made my day(s)!!

Postmenopausal women apply 1 or 2 pumps for 25 days and then stop for 5 days.

Take care!


Cocky  8)
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:24am; Reply: 8
Emster - Yams for us is definitely going to give you pain. I was put on a wild yam supplement when I was a young teenager and started feeling MS like symptoms. When my bottle of them ran out I forgot to get more. It was supposed to help me with my hormonal imbalances. Anyways... I've now looking back realized how important following your BTD to the letter is very important.

I highly recommend the very very best progesterone that I've personally found and use. Google Dr. Lee Progesterone. His is the best! I feel great on it and if I wasn't breastfeeding currently I'd still be using it as my body does need it. But of course if I did use it right now my milk would stop.

So go check it out from one A to another! I hope this helps.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 6:15pm; Reply: 9
Progesterone made me sleepy, lethargic and I couldn't function. It also made my hot flashes worse. If you read up on estrogen and progesterone, lack of estrogen is what causes hot flashes. Progesterone removes estrogen from the body.  So how can progesterone make hot flashes go away when it in fact removes the estrogen from the body, and it makes them worse?    :-/
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 11:23pm; Reply: 10
perhaps you
for me high estrogen means trouble.....guess like in all and physiology
to each their own  ;)
or good better best.....like you would say
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 11:43pm; Reply: 11
No...no..no. We can't use "Good Better Best" here. That's only for the diet...  ;D
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 1, 2010, 12:43am; Reply: 12
;)
Posted by: Emster, Monday, July 5, 2010, 11:04pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Emster - Yams for us is definitely going to give you pain. I was put on a wild yam supplement when I was a young teenager and started feeling MS like symptoms. When my bottle of them ran out I forgot to get more. It was supposed to help me with my hormonal imbalances. Anyways... I've now looking back realized how important following your BTD to the letter is very important.

I highly recommend the very very best progesterone that I've personally found and use. Google Dr. Lee Progesterone. His is the best! I feel great on it and if I wasn't breastfeeding currently I'd still be using it as my body does need it. But of course if I did use it right now my milk would stop.

So go check it out from one A to another! I hope this helps.


Thank you so much for this recommendation.  It's exactly what I was looking for.  I have high hopes for it.  Other than the arm pain, the Progest has really turned my life around.  So...I'm using the Progest until I can find a good replacement.  I'm crossing my fingers.  Thanks again!
Posted by: Emster, Friday, July 9, 2010, 1:53am; Reply: 14
Quoted from christaalyssaA+
Emster - Yams for us is definitely going to give you pain. I was put on a wild yam supplement when I was a young teenager and started feeling MS like symptoms. When my bottle of them ran out I forgot to get more. It was supposed to help me with my hormonal imbalances. Anyways... I've now looking back realized how important following your BTD to the letter is very important.

I highly recommend the very very best progesterone that I've personally found and use. Google Dr. Lee Progesterone. His is the best! I feel great on it and if I wasn't breastfeeding currently I'd still be using it as my body does need it. But of course if I did use it right now my milk would stop.

So go check it out from one A to another! I hope this helps.


Okay...checked with the MANUFACTURER on this progesterone cream and here is VERBATIM what they told me.

"Thank you for your email and interest in ProgesterAll natural balancing cream.  To answer your question, the natural progesterone in ProgesterAll is derived from the diosgenin in wild yams as Dr. Lee recommended in his books. Since getting bioidentical natural progesterone from wild yams involves a multi-step process, you will not find “wild yam” or “wild yam extract” on our label. Dr. Lee was rightfully skeptical of creams that have “wild yam” or “wild yam extract” on their labels because by and of themselves, wild yams cannot provide adequate amounts of natural progesterone. To get the natural progesterone you need from a cream, a laboratory must convert the diosgenin that is found in wild yams or other diosgenin-producing plants, into bioidentical hormones. This is the technique that Dr. Lee approved of, and the formula for our cream is the same formula that Dr. Lee and his family have used for the past decade.

We do not use progesterone derived from soy because of possible weak estrogenic properties versus wild yams. Our manufacturer gets its wild yams from a supplier in China that has worked with us for years. They have tight controls on their production that ensure the quality of the yams that we use for the diosgenin.

Our manufacturer is located in the U.S. and is the leading maker of natural balancing creams that contain progesterone. Its production processes are designed not merely to meet, but to exceed General Manufacturing Practice (GMP) regulations. As such, we are confident that every tube of ProgesterAll will consistently contain 20 milligrams (mg) of USP Bioidentical Natural Progesterone per each quarter teaspoon of cream.

Just so you know we sell ProgesterAll, Dr. Lee’s choice of topical cream with progesterone. We sell it on http://www.ProgesterAll.com, but NOT on http://www.JohnLeeMD.com where we sell the saliva test kits for testing hormones, and present educational material. We run two separate companies and websites to be in careful compliance. All of Dr. Lee's books and tapes are sold on BOTH websites.

I hope that this information answers your questions. We are so happy your friend swears by ProgesterAll! We do too! Once again, thank you for your interest in ProgesterAll.

Yours for Good Health,

Michelle Gilliland
Customer Service Manager
The John Lee M.D. Companies
Ph: (888) 575-3363
Outside the U.S.: (707) 525-1505
Email: info@johnleemd.com
info@progesterall.com"

"As" should NOT be using THIS cream either.

I received Dr. Dadamo's Menopause book in the mail this week and he does not give a recommendation for progesterone cream that As can use.  In fact, he does not recommend supplementing with progesterone at all for As.

IS THERE a bioidentical yam-free progesterone cream out there safe for As to use?  I sure hope so.  And I've searched the internet too.  Everything I find leads me to different brands that DO contain yams or down a wrong turn.  I feel so much better and healthier using Progest according to the package insert's instructions than I did before I started using it.  I refuse to go back to a life that involved relentless afternoon exhaustion and feelings of desperation, panic, heavy periods.  I was also exhausting my adrenals because I HAD to have coffee in the afternoon to get me through the drive home awake and safely.

Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 9, 2010, 4:53am; Reply: 15
http://www.womensinternational.com/hormonetherapies.html
Posted by: Emster, Friday, July 9, 2010, 11:09am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Lola


Thanks for the referral.  Do you know anything about this company?  Have you had any experience with them?  There's not much info on there about obtaining a yam-free bioidentical hormone cream.  I requested info, but it's a pharmacy, so, unless anyone has heard of true bioidentical yam-free progesterone cream...I hope they do have it.

Posted by: maukik, Friday, July 9, 2010, 3:00pm; Reply: 17
I have experience with womens international.  I used their progesterone cream for a few years with a prescription from my doctor about 15 years ago..  They are great.  I am a B, though.  I never asked if their cream had yam or not.  I suspect it did/does, but they are worth checking with.  At the time, they had excellent customer service.  
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 9, 2010, 4:06pm; Reply: 18
jeanb or another member might know, don t remember who posted the link.....

important is your gyno works with you in parallel.....auto medication, including hormones, no matter how safe is not very wise

I have 'surfed the Meno wave episode' by following the advice given in the health series book.......guess either I was lucky or very compliant.....no surprise.....read my signature!!!! ;)

I don t get carried away by all I see publicized for M....
Dr D is all I need, thank you! ;D
Posted by: 10516 (Guest), Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:41pm; Reply: 19
I'm 42 and had a feeling I was premenopausal (various symptoms). I recently started experimenting with Progesterone Cream and took their dosage suggestion as a start. I nearly went mad. Almost immediately, I went into what felt like chronic fatigue. I could hardly get about without getting into an accident -- driving was awful! I was sleepy in the middle of lunch, nauseous most afternoon and my body was flashing hot and cold throughout the day. My vision was going strange bordering on triggering a migraine! I slept and slept and couldn't get up.

I went back to the seller two days after complaining of her recommendation and she said most people are ok with it. I checked online for information and found one person (supposedly an M.D.) saying that such extreme reactions are possible.

I went off the cream for a month at a fraction of the dosage and using it in the morning. Things seems far better. No major flux... I still have trouble getting up in the morning and my skin is breaking out in acne here and there. But menstral cycle seems smoother than usual. I think I will continue with it and see.
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