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Posted by: Ancestralvoices, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42pm
I received my results today confirming that I'm a Non Secretor. I already know the(what seems like) negatives associated with this designation. I was wondering if there are ANY positives about being a non secretor? If this is something that evolved throughout human history, what is the reason for it? When I read Dr D's monograms on the genotypes he gives background, reasons, pluses, and minuses. IS there some sort of history on Nonnies that I've missed?

Thanks
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:50pm; Reply: 1
hey Ancestralvoices...welcome to the nonnie clubhouse.  Have you checked out the nonnie clubhouse threads.  Yeah...we get our own section. (woot)(woot)

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-nonnie/

Enjoy.  Lots of good information in the above link.  

We age more gracefully.    :D

Debra :)
Posted by: Ancestralvoices, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 6:15pm; Reply: 2
Hey Thanks Debra I didn't even know that 'special' clubhouse existed. Nice to know we age more gracefully! I'm in good health and want to remain that way--so I will peruse the clubhouse tonight when I get home. Thanks again!
Posted by: Ancestralvoices, Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:25am; Reply: 3
Well, the "clubhouse' was amusing, but there was no real answer to my question. When people respond with answers such as "celebrate being different", that is not an answer to how the evolution of being a Non secretor took place.   I am looking for real answers.
Thanks.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:41am; Reply: 4
try this and use the search feature to fish out more on the history of non secretors....

also try the word digestion and IAP......endless articles, like this
http://www.dadamo.com/science_anthro.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/science_bloodgroups_intestines.htm
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 6:40am; Reply: 5
You are a member of an elite group of people.  15% of the population!   :)
Posted by: SandrAruba, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 9:26am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Ancestralvoices
I received my results today confirming that I'm a Non Secretor. I already know the(what seems like) negatives associated with this designation. I was wondering if there are ANY positives about being a non secretor?
Thanks


I don't really see why people are constantly saying how being a nonnie is negative. Why approach it as something negative. It's not, it's who you are. Non secretors age more gracefully. I am 45 and people think I am 35. I hardly have any wrinkles in my face. You can't tell from looking at me how old I am (if you go by facial features).
My mother is a nonnie as well, she still has her own color hair, she's 75. Okay, there are some grey hairs in there, but they are not in the mayority.
We heal better and faster. I was up and out of bed after one week, after having thyroid surgery.
Because of being a nonnie, I can still eat banana's and mango's. Two things I love!

It's the same as saying that you love to eat meat and because of that it sucks to be bloodtype A. You won't be able to change that either.

As for the evolution of nonnies. Do we really know how and especially why certain things evolve the way they do? All we can do is speculate and notice certain facts. Do we really need to know? If you know how you evolved into a nonnie, will it make your life better? I say, just accept the fact that you are one and take all the positives from it. It's who you are and that in itself is a very positive and unique thing. Your nonnieness will probably take you to live a very long life, just like the rest of your family.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:30am; Reply: 7
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Well, the "clubhouse' was amusing, but there was no real answer to my question. When people respond with answers such as "celebrate being different", that is not an answer to how the evolution of being a Non secretor took place.   I am looking for real answers.


I never once saw the negative in being a nonnie..

we are responsive somewhat sooner to all sorts of things in life, like we feel cancer sooner, we respect allergies because we experience the benefits when we change the way we deal with impurities, we are reactive to small warnings where others are even unaware of such signs and symptoms.

being a nonnie is like being in my case O negative blood type.. I am that and it might have some effects in certain issues, but basically I will never have to even consider the specialness of it, yet I am even a nonnie that belongs to RH negatives.. only 3% .. so that makes me pretty special, unique amongst a few millions who are the same, but having learned about being a nonnie here for the first time IN MY life I was so pleased that it still makes me jump up and down.. years after.. because I finally had on opportunity to learn about MY differences, my specialness, my own uniqness.. what could be more positive?? MY glass is not half empty.. but rather full to over flowing.. and I can share that bounty of knowledge.. since my fountain of wisdom and information HERE never seems to run dry..

welcome nonnie.. celebrate with us.. fill your glass, sprout new and important wings to fly high on being one of us..  time will make you proud as we all are..

but we also know that in the end NON nonnies are just as good as we are, so no discrimination here, just celebrating differences one person at a time..
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 12:09pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from DenverFoodie
You are a member of an elite group of people.  15% of the population!   :)


Slightly higher than 20% according to the linked table.

Le(a-b+) are always secretors
Le(a+b-) are always non-secretors
Le(a-b-) can be either non-secretors or secretors although about 80% are secretors
Le(a+b+) weak secretors but very rare. more common in certain ethnic groups

http://faculty.matcmadison.edu/mljensen/BloodBank/lectures/LewisBloodGroupSystem.htm
Posted by: Ancestralvoices, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 2:46pm; Reply: 9
Well, I really do like these responses. My questions about the history and looking for positives is not a question that is 'slamming' nonnies--myself or others, it's just that when I read Dr D's info on non secretors not one part of it was anything to jump up and down about in a positive way. Two people have mentioned that we age gracefully(and yes, i do look 10-15 years younger than my 45 years), but I could not find that information anywhere on this site. Where is that? Where does it say we heal quickly? etc. This is what I'm looking for. The info that Dr D has posted, I have only found the one link that goes into detail about the difficulties of nonnie ism. Is in one of his books that I don't have?

As for WHY I want info----Because I am a person who likes to find out everything I can about who I am, what makes me  who I am, my potential, my weaknesses, my strengths. I do questions things, and people. It is not my nature to sit back and accept something without finding out the sources. It is also very important for me to base things on history. If a group of people, or a certain culture, lived and ate a certain way, and enjoyed a longer and healthier than average life expectancy, then I want to know about it. I tend to naturally eat the way my maternal Grandfather did, and interestingly(except for cabbage and some pork), he seems to have, by accident(or intuition) followed a nonnie Explorer A+ diet.

I really appreciate all the welcomes and friendly people. Truly. And I certainly don't mean or intend to offend anyone on these boards.

Thanks to everyone who has responded. I really do appreciate all of the responses.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 3:36pm; Reply: 10
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Well, I really do like these responses. My questions about the history and looking for positives is not a question that is 'slamming' nonnies--myself or others, it's just that when I read Dr D's info on non secretors not one part of it was anything to jump up and down about in a positive way. Two people have mentioned that we age gracefully(and yes, I do look 10-15 years younger than my 45 years), but I could not find that information anywhere on this site. Where is that? Where does it say we heal quickly? etc. This is what I'm looking for. The info that Dr D has posted, I have only found the one link that goes into detail about the difficulties of nonnie ism. Is in one of his books that I don't have?


The last words yes it's in his books.. all have a piece.. others have pieces.. together they make for lots of fun.. and INTELLIGENCE non of us ever had..

don't you just like it that YOU INSTINKIVELY eat right.. that is in the books too... all the books have info worth knowing and as you grow older the pieces will come together and make all the difference ... and the MONEY you save on TESTING already done for you ... more than pays for all the books.. so spend money and read.. underline and remember.. sooooo gooooood...  8)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 4:04pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Ancestralvoices
Well, I really do like these responses. My questions about the history and looking for positives is not a question that is 'slamming' nonnies--myself or others, it's just that when I read Dr D's info on non secretors not one part of it was anything to jump up and down about in a positive way. Two people have mentioned that we age gracefully(and yes, i do look 10-15 years younger than my 45 years), but I could not find that information anywhere on this site. Where is that? Where does it say we heal quickly? etc. This is what I'm looking for. The info that Dr D has posted, I have only found the one link that goes into detail about the difficulties of nonnie ism. Is in one of his books that I don't have?

As for WHY I want info----Because I am a person who likes to find out everything I can about who I am, what makes me  who I am, my potential, my weaknesses, my strengths. I do questions things, and people. It is not my nature to sit back and accept something without finding out the sources. It is also very important for me to base things on history. If a group of people, or a certain culture, lived and ate a certain way, and enjoyed a longer and healthier than average life expectancy, then I want to know about it. I tend to naturally eat the way my maternal Grandfather did, and interestingly(except for cabbage and some pork), he seems to have, by accident(or intuition) followed a nonnie Explorer A+ diet.

I really appreciate all the welcomes and friendly people. Truly. And I certainly don't mean or intend to offend anyone on these boards.

Thanks to everyone who has responded. I really do appreciate all of the responses.


Inquiring minds are always welcome. Despite some of the disease associations with non-secretors, it's not all bad. Diet-wise, I have a better food list with the SWAMI software than with just a plain BTD or GTD food list. More foods to choose from that suit me better.

I now understand why soy was never a good food for me despite it being a good food for A blood types. Soy breaks down to certain by-products that can be toxic at certain levels in the body. Explorers have a weak detoxification system, so over time these toxins will build up in the body and create problems for Explorers. Soy is  a black dot food on my SWAMI, but I treat it as an avoid.
Posted by: Ancestralvoices, Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:41pm; Reply: 12
If this information has already been posted then I apologize for repeating it. Found this bit of good info regarding nonnies at the 23andme sight. Below is copied/pasted.

"The FUT2 gene encodes an enzyme that modifies certain cell surface molecules so they can be expressed on cells or released into bodily fluids. If neither copy of the FUT2 gene is functional, a person will not produce these molecules on their digestive tract cells or in their bodily secretions –hence the term “non-secretor”.
In addition to conferring norovirus resistance, being a non-secretor has also been associated with resistance to other infections. Non-secretors may be less susceptible to HIV infection. But they may be at higher risk for infection with several types of bacteria, including strains of E. coli that cause urinary tract infections and viruses such as the flu.

Although a non-secretor woman will be resistant to norovirus, her child may pay the price if he or she is a not a norovirus resistant non-secretor (thanks to the father's genetic contribution). Research has shown that certain molecules in breast milk, which are not present in non-secretor women, may protect breast-fed infants from norovirus by binding virus particles before they can infect the baby’s cells and cause symptom"
Posted by: nowishow, Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:55pm; Reply: 13
I think I read something about being more resistent to malaria. Does anyone remember this?  ??)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Friday, June 4, 2010, 4:25pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from nowishow
I think I read something about being more resistent to malaria. Does anyone remember this?  ??)


If you have sickle cell anemia or you have the Duffy negative blood type which both are found in Africans then you are resistant to malaria. Not sure if the same holds true for thalassemia though.


I think blood type A is the least resistant to malaria, but not sure about secretor status conferring any resistance. As an A nonnie I don't want to be a ginuea pig :X
Posted by: Easy E, Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 2:47pm; Reply: 15
There has to be some adaptive function biologically, or it would have not stayed around.  

I strongly suspect i am a non secretor, but do not have proof to back this up.  I have the sensitivity described above, and look quite young for my age.  I hope to one day find out.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 4:01pm; Reply: 16
I'd think that enhanced sensitivity to environmental and dietary toxins is an advantage in itself. While others may spend a lifetime "eating wrong for their types" and not noticing any problems (or searching for healthier ways to live), the non-secretor notices almost right away that something needs to be avoided. This should prevent subtle problems from building up and turning into major ones.
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 4:12pm; Reply: 17
Good point, Ruthie!
There are people that think they can eat anything & appear healthy, then in old age get some horrible disease!
Sometimes feeling every ache & pain & feeling like a hypochondriac, is an advantage.
My idea for a bumper sticker would be "Hypochondriacs Live Longer!"

So maybe being a nonnie can be an advantage!
When I was younger, I looked young for my age, but now I have to take very good care of myself to look young.
My dentist says I have good skin & she can see everyone close up. I appreciate that, but like most women, wish it were better!
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 1:01am; Reply: 18
There are diseases like the norovirus, where Nonnies have an advantage.

I suspect that many type O Nonnies have rapid wound recovery.  There could also be some other competitive advantage that modern care has made less useful.

Before anti-bacterials where known, just healing from a cut faster would be enough to make you more productive in a genetic sense.  Bruises and broken bones were not life-threatening, but being wounded could well become fatal.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 2:49am; Reply: 19
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I'd think that enhanced sensitivity to environmental and dietary toxins is an advantage in itself. While others may spend a lifetime "eating wrong for their types" and not noticing any problems (or searching for healthier ways to live), the non-secretor notices almost right away that something needs to be avoided. This should prevent subtle problems from building up and turning into major ones.


well said Ruthiegirl..  as always concise and right,,
Posted by: RedLilac, Friday, January 7, 2011, 4:24pm; Reply: 20
If an ancestor got cut or bitten during a wild animal hunt, his rapid blood clotting would give him the ability to escape and heal so he could live again to hunt another day.

The most important thing to me about knowing that I’m a nonnie is awareness.  Knowledge is power and I have the power to positively affect my own health.
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, January 8, 2011, 2:29pm; Reply: 21
Although I will not as far as Hampus, there is a nonnie/Explorer ability to reach in between what is readily available and see beyond.

Calling this intuition seems cheap and tacky.  I can "see" the phenomenal future success that Generative Medicine will bring to people.  This makes me impatient to see it come about and frustrated with the sedimentary thinking that is so common in the present.

Being a non-Secretor is a gift, as far as I am concerned!  I wouldn't be me without it!   ;D
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Saturday, January 8, 2011, 2:43pm; Reply: 22
Like all here I guess we feel nearer to our better self with proper diet and lifestyle, also secretors and the different blood groups and genotypes share this feeling when balanced, IMHO. The problems to solve when solved are always strenghtening especially our insight !
Posted by: AKArtlover, Wednesday, April 17, 2013, 2:14pm; Reply: 23
Norwalk virus- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12692541
Posted by: Seraffa, Friday, April 19, 2013, 12:24am; Reply: 24
Quoted from AKArtlover


:o It put my eyes out just having to sift through that one.

Well, all in all, if you could choose between: A.) non-secretor high suceptiblity to subclinical allergies that indicate agglutination "no-no's" early on, as opposed to B: aggressive cancer or Altzheimers Disease caused by constant recovery from "avoids"  secretor-A's may think don't bother them.......what would you rather choose  8)

Hey >>> go back to your own tagline!>>>>  "Mat Grandf A+ NonSec Explorer died age 99 in sleep"
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