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Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 12:51am
I am roaming the halls for food.. almost any food.. have only compliant food in the house .. but my mind wonders to the dark side.. I failed the last 3 days.. and my blood test tomorrow will be bad..

IS it better to have a bad test than a better one I can't hold onto??

would NAP sups curb my appetitie I am so tired fighting for my head to stay on the straight road..

There is a defect in my brain.. I know I -know all I need to know- so why is this such a difficult mess..

I am going to get palm oil and oat oil and cr.p in slim shots .. never mind the avoids.. this way of life is so unpleasant.. maybe better those avoids than worse ones..

I am at wits end.. dark side I was on , never mind I am in a hole swimming up stream..
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 12:56am; Reply: 1
Is your body asking for anything in particular?  If not - Eat more meat and veggies...  You may want to eat some carrot or celery sticks, if compliant...  

Why so difficult?  Because as you eat compliantly, the body will clear out stored toxins, so you have the same reactions as if you ate the avoid new...  Take some Deflect and eat good stuff...  You'll get through it OK if you stay the course...
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 1:00am; Reply: 2
Quoted from Goldie

would NAP sups curb my appetitie I am so tired fighting for my head to stay on the straight road..


Most of the NAP supplements do not work that way.  But you might want to try something from the healthy weight loss pack.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP032O

Posted by: Frosty, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 1:05am; Reply: 3
Perhaps it is something in the food you are eating (a hidden ingredient) that is triggering the munchies.  My trigger food is corn and it is a hidden indredient in many things.  I know when I have had it, because I never feel satisfied, all I want to do is graze.  I have gotten pretty good at reading labels, when in doubt I do without.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 1:54am; Reply: 4
A couple of suggestions:

Plan out your day's worth of food first thing in the morning..

Keep a food diary....Write down time and list everything you've eaten.  Every thing you've had to
drink...Force yourself to exercise, even if it's just a short walk. If you'd like to play a game with
yourself, every time you're thinking of eating the wrong thing, go for a walk...come back and
write in your food journal that you walked instead of cheated.

There are walking in place DVDs you can do in front of your TV.  While you're spending time
on this board, you could be moving your body...coming back and reporting to us. We'd be
very PROUD of you..:).  You'd be very proud of yourself for getting our positive feedback.

Come to the Fresh Start Thread every day and post regularly so you're kept mindful of what you're doing.... at the moment you're doing it....rather than jumble up a conceptual idea in your head that you're woefully failing.  If this is your reality, it's going to be difficult to change it.

You have to see this one tiny step at a time....one hour at a time...and you have to pay attention
to your emotions and watch yourself as you're heading in the wrong direction...We can't chain
you to a chair...keep you away from the wrong foods.  We aren't in your home...so you're going
to have to put some effort forth.

Tough love is what I'm trying to give you.  You have to try and help yourself....We can all
be supportive of you.

There has to be something you're trying to "feed"...other than your hungry belly.  Try to get in
touch with your feelings...

Start journaling...You're a great writer....Just start writing to yourself...about yourself...about
things that are wrong, right, whatever.  Lots of us share things and trust one another to understand.
You're not the only person here struggling.

We'd like to help you...but you need to be honest with us and yourself...

What exactly IS the reason you're trying to sabotage yourself?

And ask yourself this question.  What will my life look like if I feel healthy, lose weight and
prevent myself from diabetic complications?

{{{{hugs}}}}}

Goldie...you CAN do this~

We are all here to help you get there..

Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:02am; Reply: 5
Quoted from Goldie
I am going to get palm oil and oat oil and cr.p in slim shots .. never mind the avoids.. this way of life is so unpleasant.. maybe better those avoids than worse ones..
You have got to be kidding right? Why not go back & re read all your threads...especially what you have written to others in this situation??!! You can do it!!! You know you don't want to get diabetes & it will be way worse if you give in :o
As Frosty says: "Perhaps it is something in the food you are eating (a hidden ingredient) that is triggering the munchies"  Take a look & re read your signature line.... ;)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:24am; Reply: 6
bone broth with veggies.....
glucosamine
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:36am; Reply: 7
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Come to the Fresh Start Thread every day
  

where??? is there a link??

THANKS ALL I KNOW I COULD COUNT ON YOU>>> Thanks..

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It takes less time to do it right - then it takes to explain why you did not..
not my quote..I saw it at the local hospital while i was waiting for someone there..  


YES I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW that is why I have no food in the house only 100% compliant..

and I have not gone to buy anything today..  

but I was out to a concert with a friend who sang her heart out yesterday and they had a Viennese table and 2 kinds of salami there.. forget all that I know I went over too the dungeons of avoids.. bad stuff.. like I said no will power..

but today I am roaming my house, back and from to the freezer for 2-3 walnuts, a single slice of frozen banana,  and some more broth or meat and veggies a staple.. I always have endless meat and veg ready to eat).. but today I had salad dressing with sugar  / no doubt.. I miss mayo../  but I just could not face a salad without it today..

I just keep munching...... even if its not much.. I just am annnnoyed that this wanting wanting wanting tape in my head never goes away..

as for feelings I am frustrated for a million things but none are the issues, boring bored, ...

but I am going on a 3 week trip criss crossing the country.. with time to go where I want.. a friend is driving with me in a second car for the first 4 days..and then we travel togehter.. just visiting whatever or who ever.. so it will be fun ..   and really I am grateful for having so many good things in my life..

and I can easily hypnotize others.. but not my darn mind.. so frustrating.. like being stuck in a plastic bag..

but tomorrow I will find out if PRUNES are doable or not.. the numbers will show .. I will let you know..

as for the word failure.. not in its regular meaning.. but meaning failing to keep the sugar issues under control.. for one day or for life..

As for labels ---  I really only have fresh food in the house.. (other than the prunes and they may go tomorrow) ..so I don't know what else to do for a quick fix..

    my signature .. I will look into that NAP packet tomorrow ..  thanks all again and agin..    
Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:45am; Reply: 8
better hang onto those prunes, in case you sugar(glucose drops), feeling confused, sweaty, anxious, pop 3 or 4 and chew.
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:46am; Reply: 9
No doubt it was something in that salami??!! I have never yet met a salami that wasn't almost all pork... ::)
Oh & maybe to get rid of the toxins drink more water every time you feel like a craving is coming on...
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 4:21am; Reply: 10
quick fix = canned salmon  !!
Posted by: SandrAruba, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 6:56am; Reply: 11
I don't know about you, but I know that if I have cravings it's not because I need food or because I'm hungry but simply because I'm used to it. During my youth my mother always made me eat more then I wanted (and needed) so I was overfed almost all the time.

Later in life the snacks and really bad things were added. I ate them when I was feeling bad or a little down as comfort food. I now notice that I don't need any food, but it's just conditioning that keeps me wanting them.

But to take care of that craving I make sure I always have some nuts lying around the house.
Posted by: battle dwarf, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 7:22am; Reply: 12
sitting here with a bag of watermelon seeds (salted). sometimes it is really all about the salt. course i have not eaten sence 7pm and i was working up untill an hour ago. (remember my days are a little off kilter from every one elses) don't want to eat alot of real food as i am about to go to bed.
btw the water melon seeds are a bit crunchy but i like crunchy so i really like them now. they remind me of the popcrn i used to eat  , at lest in taste. i used to eat alot of popcorn.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:53am; Reply: 13
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better hang onto those prunes, in case you sugar(glucose drops), feeling confused, sweaty, anxious, pop 3 or 4 and chew..


Gemini Sue..... see that part is confusing..  but yes and no .. are hot flashes the same??
today will give me a clue about those prunes.. and next year I will dry them in my own oven.. and then freeze them in virgin state..


As for pepperoni/salami I can do - once  a month while I am out shopping..  

-but the cr.ap I ate the day before.. outright junky puffed mini donat* puffs with cream inside on top of the pepperoni.. I deserve the problems.. I am JUST saying : could my mind just SHUTTTTTT up!...

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*DID YOU KNOW THERE are 2 doughnuts and dunkin donuts??? as IN:
  DO NOT's!!!!!!!! or the dog (bad behavior restless passing jumping addict within) goes nuts??



I mean I am really out of control when out of the house.. it is ridiculous.. totally ridiculous.. I should just buy a mini Tennis ball (the size of the dognutwhole munchkins) like the ones for doggies and keep that in my mouth.. or wire my mouth shut.. Seriously..  I know its all a habit.. HABITS OF DOING THINGS twice and it becomes a HABIT of action.....

[quote]a habit of:    doing, belonging, enjoying, participating, feeling part of, being allowed to indulge, being normal?.......... WHO TALKED about FEELINGS!!??   [/quote]

interesting FEELINGS????? .. but then .. what if those are the feelings I have WHEN I indulge??  the price I pay for them is feeling bloated and gaining weight.guilty reg sugar daib... . Is that not enough???

BUT WHY MUST the indulgences HOUNT ME LATER????? ---- I know --- I say : to others:  YOU CAN NEVER go back to the 'pusher' and tell him offffff. PUSHERS always WIN!!!   I know that!

Pushers are: no better than drug pushers:  bakeries, supermarkets, cafeterias, workplaces, gas station stores, ideas, frustrations, my own mind, ........................................ so how to avoid PUSHERS ????????????????

(I mean I understand addicts.. I long would like to open a 'addict rehab for food addicts


Gemini Sue... I was going to write: food-addicts that become diabetics... is that really what is going on ..??  Or is that a MISNOMER   !!! only partially true  ???  I know I am not getting  over  the fact that : diabetics eat them selves to become sick>> that can not be true.. or is it and the only answer is .. but they can eat themselves out of it too??? I know that is possible.. but is it not fiercely restrictive??
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 11:08am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Goldie
[color=green]BUT WHY MUST the indulgences HAUNT ME LATER????? ---- I know --- I say : to others:  
(I mean I understand addicts.. I long would like to open a 'addict rehab for food addicts  
'Cos there's no such thing as a free lunch ::) Things either haunt you or  make you feel great - they have an effect either way; it's all about what you choose or rather, how you choose to feel!! ;)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 11:22am; Reply: 15
;D...

ok so yes.. the way I 'feel' but why the return to and fro to the refrig?? frustrating even if I only have compliant foods in there.. why bother with 'wanting' something  every 5 minutes??  ??)  Is that a feeling or WHAT ???  
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 12:14pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Goldie
;D...

ok so yes.. the way I 'feel' but why the return to and fro to the refrig?? frustrating even if I only have compliant foods in there.. why bother with 'wanting' something  every 5 minutes??  ??)  Is that a feeling or WHAT ???  


http://www.journalingsaves.com/


Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 4:07pm; Reply: 17
Get some "Mary's Gone Crackers"  made with flax, sesame seeds, etc.  I find that they are crunchy and if I'm really having a bad craving, I melt a little goat's milk cheddar on top with some compliant salsa and eat them like nachos.  I find them very satisfying.  
I get those craving when I walk in the door from work.  At times, it's almost uncontrollable.....
Jane
Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 7:20pm; Reply: 18
Gemini Sue... I was going to write: food-addicts that become diabetics... is that really what is going on ..??  Or is that a MISNOMER   !!! only partially true  ???  I know I am not getting  over  the fact that : diabetics eat them selves to become sick>> that can not be true.. or is it and the only answer is .. but they can eat themselves out of it too??? I know that is possible.. but is it not fiercely restrictive??

People can be diabetic shortly after birth, or as toddlers, children, teens, adults of any age.  There is no certain.
Also, people who are overweight, and continue that path, MAY become Type 2 Diabetics, or may not.
Alcoholics can quit drinking, but food addicts cannot quit eating, THEY HAVE to LEARN to eat correctly, to deal with the HAND MOUTH GESTURE, these are deep rooted pass occurances, that happened to them, some are even blocked, and may never remember, some remember and deal with it the best way they know how, never/possibly associating it with why they are overeating.

Low Blood Sugar and Hot Flashes (menapause) are very similiar to each other, and that is why a glucosemeter, is necessary to have to determine what is happening when it does.  (If you think it is low sugar (when actually its menapause) you are adding fuel to raise your glucose, when unnecessary)  Did you get a meter yet?
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 7:42pm; Reply: 19
Is this extreme hunger thing/foraging for food/addiction more likely to be a pattern of an O blood type?

Do you think because I am a blood type A who gets to eat more carbs that my serotonin is higher?
And I feel more satisfied and relaxed about everything in general?  I notice since I'm following
my SWAMI that my nature has changed to one of utter peacefulness...Annoying people don't
even bother me anymore.  I rarely get irritated and I rarely feel hungry...I eat when it's mealtime
and eat just enough....not more..... Is it because I do tai chi, qigong, yoga that I'm not feeling food obsessed? I don't do a lot of high energy exercise so I'm not  burning a ton of calories.....but Os...they need to burn a lot of fuel and seem to need to eat a lot of pure protein.

I'm thinking I'm really grateful to be blood type A...although our potential for cancer is so great...
Still....the Teacher diet has done wonders for my mood/sleep and energy.  And the thought of
going back and forth to the refrigerator for something more to eat makes me think it's a pattern
of behavior...although so many of you are so hungry~!

I've never been someone who can eat when I'm not hungry.  I see food as a meal or a snack and when I'm done eating, I'm done.  I know when I'm thirsty.  Is it possible that hunger for you
starving Os is confused for thirst?

It just seems to me that Os and specifically Gatherers are the hungriest people here on this forum.  Is this my imagination or do any of you think this is true?
Posted by: geminisue, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 9:17pm; Reply: 20
I think O's and Gatherers are the hungriest people on the forum, I think our genetics are partially to blame, and possibly our ages, if were were raised with/by parents/grandparents, that was raised in depression.  There cupboard were never empty, There refrigerators and freezers the same, and probably some stockpiled up on shelves in a bedroom or basement somewhere.  Trips to the store was mechanical every Sat. whether there was a real need or not, it was what was done.  Ironically, these are the same people who wondered/wonders why their children/adults now are obese and can't controll there eating, and with so many wives aiming to please their husbands in those days, the food was what the husband wanted, and the wife and children ate or got yelled at for not eating. Doctors, when I was a teen, taken there to lose weight, was given black beauties, to speed me up, appetite depressants to control what was eaten and little footballs so I can sleep and then go to school and start over again.  But back then it was okay, it wasn't street drugs, it was suppose to help one lose weight, but all it usually did was mess with the body and you didn't know what you was feeling, you did what the doctor said, you did what your mother said, and then they ask why don't you lose weight? Then there was the sugar cravings, the salt cravings, were they met sure, parents wanted the kids to be happy, so feed them pizza, ice cream, pepsi, candy bars, what ever their little hearts desired. I better stop, don't know if this answers the question or not, but to me it does, at least for my family.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 9:40pm; Reply: 21
I think it is all a matter of learning.. to understand ones own nature and age wisdom and Diets that fit the profile..

I might think that I might have done well on Geno also.. but for me the fix was in once I did not have to eat eggs for breakfast.. that started to relax my in a big way.. the 19 year old to showed me the way matters much in that.. broke my stuck habits ..

but you are right about all the issues surrounding food.. I certainly eat when I am upset, am stood up, feel useless, feel attacked (sis), when I feel hemmed in, all sorts of reasons.. but most of the time I can overcome .. but when I get he munchies then its off the walls misery..

It is not even that I care for the taste of food. I really don't much, but well when it comes to wheat stuff when I am out of the house with friends, then I am off to the darn marry go round..

BUT COMMUNICATING here for me is so worth it, as I LEARN form EVERYONE>>

you asked about a meter I have one for 10 years.. I will not stick my self.. chicken.. but if I continue this way I will not need to .. at least: that is my understanding for today..

.... BUt I am still not certain about my questions.. some are the same over and over, but for today.. compliance and PRUNES is my way to go.. love it and love you for all your efforts and patience.. I am looking forward to a year from now.. ( first time in a long time I am actually projecting into my future!)  ;D
Posted by: Karen Vago, Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:01pm; Reply: 22
Hi Goldie,

As you can see I am a Gatherer too and I have spent most of my life hungry!!!

Now I know what to do. It is vital for me not to eat sugar if I don't want to be eating all the time.

Animal protein for breakfast (can be eggs) and I make sure I take flaxseed oil. The good fats stave off hunger for me.  I won't go into the details of the food aspect but in terms of supplements, Glycosia from NAP works wonders for me and keeps the munchies at bay.

I also found the same when I took the Gatherer supplements. I will get back to them but I like to try different things.

L-Glutamine powder, 1 tsp in water when you feel like eating not for the right reason, can help on the spot.

Hope this helps
PS I will mention the food side of things after all. My meals need to be well constructed according to season. More salads in the warm seasons, broths mainly in the cooler seasons, and vegetable galore plus animal protein at every meal.

That at least is what I need to feel satisfied for a while after a meal. I leave the fruit for in between.

It takes quite some organizing and thinking ahead being a Gatherer if you want to have steady energy levels during the day.

Hope this helps too!
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:18pm; Reply: 23
Hi Karen.. every word you typed is right on- including the oil part.. I just forget that in a big way.. and then yes..I miss something.. no doubt my brain said you need some fat.. as in translation ,,munchies/junkfood with fat.. ..

I find nuts and prunes help in between..

but for real crisis the only thing to do is plan ahead..

I need to do more planning for salad dressings.. either they have sugar or other stuff that turns to sugar.. or I don't like them.. I need to really look at that,.. so thanks for reminding me ... it just takes forever for em to - to get it - some times years.. I will make a note for tomorrow..

.. so for now... thanks,,  
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:26pm; Reply: 24
Try keeping stevia and cocoa powder on hand. A cup of hot cocoa really satisfies the "I want something sweet" feeling along with the "I want something...anything in my mouth right now!!!!" feeling. If I'm not truly hungry, then I feel full and satisfied by the time the cocoa is done. It's hot so I can't gulp it down, I have to drink slowly. If I drink the whole thing and I'm still hungry, then I realize I truly am hungry and I'll eat some more real food (usually leftover veggies and/or meat.)

Sometimes, especialy during PMS, the cocoa is what my body is craving to begin with. To consume the cocoa powder with only hot water, stevia, and about an ounce of rice milk, gives me the chocolate without added fats and sugars that my body most definitely does NOT need.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:38pm; Reply: 25
I dicovered I was needing oil this week as well, but don't forget water. Sometimes we eat when our body is yelling water. Just a freindly reminder form a newby.
Posted by: KellyAnn, Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 11:38pm; Reply: 26
Ruthiegirl,

I was just posting almost the exact same thing on another thread.  I use Agave syrup instead of Stevia.  It is my favorite treat  ;D
Posted by: Karen Vago, Friday, June 4, 2010, 9:15am; Reply: 27
Hi Ruthie girl,

If you crave cocoa when you are premenstrual you may just be craving the magnesium in the cocoa.

You can test that by taking magnesium as in the Phytocal supps.
Posted by: Karen Vago, Friday, June 4, 2010, 9:23am; Reply: 28
Goldie, glad my experience rang a bell with you.

As a baby I was already hungry all the time. So much so, my mother didn't know what to do. So she called the pediatrician and he said to give me an egg every day!

Wise piece of info in those days 1948! Fat and protein. Luckily I wasn't allergic to eggs.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, June 4, 2010, 11:50am; Reply: 29
Did I see Stevia a on avoid for O nonnies?  .. for me I dont even like the taste..  

as for the cocoa powder you just buy it in a can?? I think I could do it with just water..  

OR a little cream mixed in???

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, June 4, 2010, 2:43pm; Reply: 30
Oh, right. Stevia isn't OK for nonnies, but I'm pretty sure I'm a secretor so that's what I'm following for now. I'd suggest agave or molasses, or a mixture of the two since you can't have stevia- just be careful with portion sizes. It's easy to overdo the sugar if you're not careful.

I do take magnesium citrate every night, plus cal/mag/zinc every morning. I wonder if I should increase the amount of mag when I'm premenstrual. Chocolate is yummy even if I'm getting enough magnesium!
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, June 5, 2010, 4:59am; Reply: 31
I can not have choc any more.. as of late.. and today I had a piece of choc with filling in my mouth.. but after a few seconds I had to spit it out// no need to swallow it.. it will end up in the same place, but without doing harm..

After having learned that I am not to have it for diabetes my mind has accepted that fact in its essence but not yet in my eye hand to mouth motion.  I am still working on my eyes waning more than I want..

Luckily I have no need to substitute sugars with sugars.. its possible for me sometimes to replace a avoid with a beneficial, like prunes right now work that way for me.

The weakness is always with ice cream.. or pizza.. but pizza is now a real seldom- seldom food.. my mind is working on that..  Ice cream is somewhat different.. It's not the sugar in it, its the cold or the smooth or the liquid.. I have not figured it out yet..  but I am working on that darn addiction..
I think I need to look at getting benef. berries.. they might work in a smoothie??? yes I will try..  ;D
Posted by: Karen Vago, Saturday, June 5, 2010, 9:50am; Reply: 32
Hi ruthiegirl,

Chocolate IS yumm!  I love it.

If you crave it however, there may be more of a need for magnesium. Chocolate also has an antidepressive effect. That may be another reason for craving it premenstrually.

Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, June 5, 2010, 2:08pm; Reply: 33
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Hi ruthiegirl,

Chocolate IS yumm!  I love it.

If you crave it however, there may be more of a need for magnesium. Chocolate also has an antidepressive effect. That may be another reason for craving it premenstrually.


could it be that magnesium would be also good for pre-menses?? intersting  ??)

magnesium is for cramps.. hhm..  :-/  someone should test this out.. I am to angient..
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:56am; Reply: 34
not only Goldie..Mg leads all kind of elecrical issues in the body...the thema of the electrons ;) ;D.....(whistle)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:17pm; Reply: 35
my post of June 5th is nearly increadable.. its not even a month later but the desires for some foods mentioned are so much less.. the mind is adjusting to the loss on some items choc pizza in the still new for now food list..

Drinking tea some say flushes out easy, while coffee has to go through the liver and then it needs the stress of cleaning it self..    8)
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 21, 2010, 12:21pm; Reply: 36
café is always dehydrating.....(hand)(dizzy)greentea is da bombe ;) ;D....
Posted by: 10111 (Guest), Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:49pm; Reply: 37
"I think O's and Gatherers are the hungriest people on the forum"

this so made me laugh and cry  :D

The ONLY thing that works for me when I get that "I GOTTA EAT SOMETHIN" feeling, is to run, ruun like Forrest Gump.  I have a room with no furniture that I run the perimeter like a crazy person until my hunger
calms down.
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