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Posted by: balletomane, Sunday, May 23, 2010, 4:37pm
I have been having pain in my right leg for more than a month due to some old and new injuries from ballet dancing. My physiotherapist said that my fascia and muscles are so tense that toxins are trapped inside and need to be released. Her manual therapy does help but the tightness and pain and accompanying swelling continues. It gets worse during humid and rainy days, which means often! A doctor I saw said this is "wind/wet" according to Chinese medicine (the equivalence of arthritis). But isn't arthritis an auto-immune disease? I'm confused as what I have really got here. I have been mostly compliant to my SWAMI food list and cut out all the inflammatory food such as tomatoes and dairy, except for the two cheese recommended that are supposed to heal my guts.

Would Bromelain help with such persistent muscle problems? I do eat pineapple regularly--is that enough? What else can I do besides physiotherapy?
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:01pm; Reply: 1
Although the term arthritis is applied to a wide variety of disorders, arthritis means inflammation of a joint, whether the result of a disease, an infection, a genetic defect, or some other cause.

Where is your pain located?  Be specific please.
Posted by: Chloe, Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:51pm; Reply: 2
Muscle pain and tightness of the fascia isn't the same as osteo or rheumatoid arthritis. Not in the way a rheumatologist might see it.  

In Chinese medicine, as you mentioned, there is a blocked energy flow
which causes specific areas to build up a lot of toxins. And "syndromes" are terms the
Asians use in acupuncture and herbal treatment.  Myofascial trigger points are
usually tight, painful and restricted and more closely related to fibromyalgia..

Osteoarthritis is wear and tear of the joints that usually happens with age. It can be in knees,
elbows, fingers, toes, spine, neck..almost anywhere on the body where there are joints...And you can hear joints rubbing together because of over calcification issues where the bone has either worn down or formed knobby spurs.  Often you can hear this crunching sound, called crepitus. Bone fragments can sliver off and cause pain as well. Keeping joints moving and lubricated by eating properly is helpful...but even our pets can wind up with osteoarthritis.

Rheumatoid arthritis is likely auto immune and can be bacterial in origin.  RA
is inflammatory, causing redness and obvious swelling in the joints and often in severe cases,
a lot of distortion and joint stiffness.  Very disabling for some.

You can learn about about Myofascial/trigger points and therapy from this book...Lots of
ways to help yourself as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Point-Therapy-Workbook-Self-Treatment/dp/1572243759/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274643262&sr=8-13

It really takes awhile to break up the adhesions in tight fascia.  Been there and know this
subject a little more than I'd like to.

Proper stretching to elongate tight muscles once the adhesions are released is necessary...Using a foam roller can help relax the tightness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJLxruO3su0

I hope you feel better :)
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, May 23, 2010, 8:13pm; Reply: 3
Gread info there Chloe!!!

Just remember to drink lots of water to wash out those toxins once they are released.  Speedy recovery!!!  :)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, May 23, 2010, 11:42pm; Reply: 4
Rheumatoid arthritis; Scleroderma; Fibromyalgia; Pemphigus; Other Auto-Immune Diseases
Posted by: Possum, Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:03am; Reply: 5
Excellent info Chloe!! Very well explained - that's a keeper for my file ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:05am; Reply: 6
I suspect gluten intolerance is behind a lot of this auto-immunity related arthritis....gut damage, then,
toxins leaking from gut into bloodstream.
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:30am; Reply: 7
Thanks a lot for all your information.

DenverFoodie, my pain is in the back of the knee--there is a restriction in the insertion point of gastrocnemius. Tight fascia throughout proneous brevis and also the muscles to the right of the shin bone.

Chloe,
It seems that my symptoms most closely resemble what you said about tight Myofascial trigger points. Yes, my therapist actually use acupuncture as well as the "spoon  scraping" technique to release those points. Very painful, with bruises afterwards, but feel much better. She also gave me a foam roller but I haven't been using it that much. I have an Acuball which I heat up and press on those trigger points. Pretty neat. Have you ever used one? http://www.acuball.com
Thanks for the book suggestion. Looks very interesting and I might get one for myself.

You mentioned fibromyalgia, but it seems like this is a systemwide disease with no trigger events. In my case, the "trigger event" is my ballet training--most likely the wrong use of technique causing certain muscles to tighten up too much. I do stretching before and after class to elongate the muscles but it seems not enough.

Cristina,
Thanks for the reminder. Yes, water is my friend... and so is the WC, LOL!

Lola,
I don't think I have any of those syndromes you listed. But I'll look them up. Do you think the taking the Bromelain supplement would help, or is it for only mild muscle soreness after exercise?
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:38am; Reply: 8
Quoted from Chloe
I suspect gluten intolerance is behind a lot of this auto-immunity related arthritis....gut damage, then,
toxins leaking from gut into bloodstream.


That's really interesting. I am sure my bloodstream had a ton of toxins due to gluten. I stopped consuming gluten about 10 months ago but still have white lines on my fingerprints. Does that mean these toxins might still be there affecting my muscles?
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:55am; Reply: 9
Quoted from balletomane


That's really interesting. I am sure my bloodstream had a ton of toxins due to gluten. I stopped consuming gluten about 10 months ago but still have white lines on my fingerprints. Does that mean these toxins might still be there affecting my muscles?


Dr. D says it can take a year or more to get rid of the white lines....so I would say "yes" -- your muscles still are holding onto toxicity because it takes a lot of work to release those tight trigger points in the fascia... And if you still have lectin damage from gluten, it's going to take more time before you see all your white lines disappear.   Deflect was designed to remove lectin damage.  Are you taking it?

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT004O

Also bromelain....good for you!

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP032

But think positively...You will heal....I've made huge progress...but I'm also close to 90-95% compliant.

I see this as a gut problem more than anything...

Eat the right foods, do the right exercises....and you will get better~ :)






Posted by: TJ, Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:22am; Reply: 10
If your pineapple is cooked or canned, it doesn't have any bromelain left in it!
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:37am; Reply: 11
Chloe,

Thanks for the confirmation. Even though I have cut out gluten from my diet for about 10 months, I have only been on BTD for 4 months and have been about 95% compliant in the last month or so since I got my SWAMI. So it definitely is going to take some time. Yes, I'm taking deflect but not bromelain so I'm going to include that in my next order.

TJ,

The pineapple I eat is fresh. I cut it up myself and all the enzymes are intact  ;)
Posted by: Green Root, Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:35pm; Reply: 12
I recall that the bromelain is mostly in the middle part of pineapple, which is not so easy to eat.

Has someone had bleeding near teeth or in the lips when eating lot of fresh pineapple? I have. Quite intensive/fierce fruit.
Posted by: balletomane, Monday, May 24, 2010, 1:15pm; Reply: 13
Really? I thought the whole pineapple has bromelain? I usually cut the center part away, although when the pineapple is really ripe, I manage to chew the middle part, sometimes spitting out whatever is too fibrous to swallow. No bleeding for me, though, but maybe because the fruit is so ripe, it doesn't "hurt". I have heard many people have trouble with it. Some soak the pineapple in salt water to reduce the effect, but then the enzymes would be washed away.
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:56pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Green Root
I recall that the bromelain is mostly in the middle part of pineapple, which is not so easy to eat.

Has someone had bleeding near teeth or in the lips when eating lot of fresh pineapple? I have. Quite intensive/fierce fruit.


Eating an under-ripe pineapple might be the problem.  If not ripe, it's acidic.

http://www.healthy.net/scr/MMedica.aspx?Id=125

And FYI, regarding pain -- add ginger to your diet.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/189359.php

Posted by: Lola, Monday, May 24, 2010, 9:04pm; Reply: 15
balance is key...... ;)
Posted by: grey rabbit, Thursday, May 27, 2010, 11:13pm; Reply: 16
I love the middle part of the pineapple! So good to know it's good for me :).

I found this page interesting, don't know if it will help or not, http://www.somatics.com/TFL.htm
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, May 28, 2010, 12:12am; Reply: 17
Quoted from balletomane


I have an Acuball which I heat up and press on those trigger points. Pretty neat. Have you ever used one? http://www.acuball.com


No, don't have one....but after following your link, I want one~  Thanks :)

PS. just ordered the large acuball...realized I already own a mini version of this system.
And youtube has a bunch of short videos showing how to use it.  So I didn't have to bother
ordering a DVD or a book. Saved $35.00! :)

Posted by: balletomane, Friday, May 28, 2010, 12:59am; Reply: 18
Great, Choloe. Have a ball ;D I have been using it and found more and more sore trigger points.

I also realized that I have some BioMagnets in my drawer that I totally forgot about. Took them out and put them on my sore spots all day and all night long. Miraculously my pain has gone by more than 50% in one day!
Posted by: tnahowru, Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:01am; Reply: 19
Possum, Hi - you said you are going to keep a post, how does one do that?

Thank you.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:22am; Reply: 20
copy paste in a file, or add to favorites, depending what it is you want to keep
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