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Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:27pm
I would like to ask: why do you feel hungry?

I am sooooo frustrated.. every once in a while I can not seem to stop eating.. I don't know why..

possibly while I was eating trukey as a Gatherer I was ??? less??? hungry?

now I eat top round again on BTD      

or, am I just not eating enough with a small portion of meat a small whole Turnip and 3 leaves of Kale.  I have added blue berries and walnuts and I am not satisfied.. why not?  ::) I am ready to eat a cow..  
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 7:06pm; Reply: 1
Goldie, this is a very common condition for Gatherers.  Hopefully other Gatherers will share what has worked for them.  My own Gatherer daughter struggled for months with this frustration, and has finally come to understand her own body in a new and deeper way so that she can avoid this happening.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 8:47pm; Reply: 2
eat small consistent portions, meaning choices packed with essential nutrients, maybe five or six meals a day......try sustaining 2 hours in between each meal....

your gut will reduce it s capacity, and your body will begin to burn fat, cause it will not feel constantly deprived and hungry in famine mode.....

slowly you ll notice the change.

get busy, find a passion a project

what type exercise or routine do you do on a daily basis?
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 9:29pm; Reply: 3
Victoria
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My own Gatherer daughter struggled for months with this frustration


please let her tell me what she did.. aside from having youth on her side.. THANKS..

Lola
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get busy, find a passion a project


its not the SIZE its the constant .. getting a hobby is the issue.. you are quit right Lola..

Posted by: teri, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:20pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Lola
eat small consistent portions, meaning choices packed with essential nutrients, maybe five or six meals a day......try sustaining 2 hours in between each meal....

your gut will reduce it s capacity, and your body will begin to burn fat, cause it will not feel constantly deprived and hungry in famine mode.....

slowly you ll notice the change.

I agree with this. It's one way to make sure your body is digesting everything, which, imo, is everything to do with hunger. You can also reach the same goal with larger meals by combining your foods properly. You're probably not getting any nutrition from those blueberries by having them with nuts. Dr. D recommends to all in his Genotype book to keep carbs and proteins separate whenever possible. Doing this made a big change in my hunger level (I eat 2 meals per day + one large snack). :)

Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:24pm; Reply: 5
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Victoria

please let her tell me what she did.. aside from having youth on her side.. THANKS..



She's not on the Forum, so I'll attempt to remember.

She starts the day with a cup of warm homemade bone/marrow broth and all her herbal supplements.

Lunch, around noon, is her vitamins and mineral supplements, some homemade lamb stew, or meat (buffalo or beef) stir-fried in ghee and steamed non-starchy vegetables (any or all, collard greens, red onions, fennel bulb, crimini mushrooms, zucchini).

Late Afternoon small meal, around 3 or 4 pm., is something like baked salmon or canned salmon or canned low-mercury tuna, with strips of raw red bell pepper, fresh basil and sliced tomato, drizzled with olive oil (or a green salad).

Early evening, she will usually make vegetable juice with wheat grass, celery, spinach, sometimes fennel or dandelion greens, depending on what veggies she has already eaten that day, along with a spoonful of ProBerry.

Dinner, around 7 or 8 pm, steak strips, or stir-fried lamb (depending on which  one she already ate) with some kind of cooked vegetable that she's in the mood for (green beans, fresh peas, portabello or maitake mushrooms, red onion, or a big pot of steamed turnip greens or escarole.

Around 9:30 pm, she whips an egg white, folds in the beaten yolk and a spoonful of ground chia seeds and a spoonful of unsweetened cocoa powder, and cooks them on a griddle like silver dollar pancakes.  She drizzles the batch with maybe 1/2 tsp blackstrap molasses.  Sometimes she'll chop one pecan on the top.

She sips tea throughout the day, usually ginger.  Sometimes she drinks Kombucha for a few days and then doesn't want it for a few weeks.

Things she realized were not working for her:
Other than those few drops of blackstrap molasses, she does not eat any sweets of any kind.

Other than a daily spoonful of Proberry liquid, she does not usually eat fruit of any kind.  Maybe once a week, she will eat a pummelo or grapefruit, and if they're in season, she'll eat a fresh peach or nectarine or a chunk of watermelon (maybe once a month during the summer).

She does not eat any grains.  They contribute to binge eating and a constant feeling of hunger that she can't satisfy.

She can't eat nuts in large amounts unless she wants to put on weight.

She can't come home hungry and expect herself to wait until she cooks a meal.  She does a lot of food preparation every night after dinner and has food ready for her next day.  Or she preps and/or cooks on the weekend.

The only dairy she eats is Ghee.

If I think of more, I'll let you know.   :)
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:29pm; Reply: 6
My belief is we create a story that we are hungry.  It is driven more by emotion than need.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:29pm; Reply: 7
More on my daughters' diet.  She has been eating this way for a few months and her food cravings have disappeared.  Her weight also stabilized and stopped creeping up.  She is at her ideal weight now.  On her regular genotype diet, she suffered a lot with food cravings and weight up and down.

I'll also add that she exercises regularly; something or another everyday, rotating between trail running, QiGong and mat work with light weights.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:45pm; Reply: 8
"The Gatherer's metabolic thriftiness, such a survival asset in ancient times of scarcity, comes with a price to pay. It doesn't fit the lifestyle of the modern industrialized world, with its amply and inexpensively available carbohydrates and fats. The vast majority of these excess carbohydrates and fats will be taken out of the bloodstream and stored, typically as triglycerides and glycerol, a type of anti-freeze. However, Gatherers are usually so good at taking sugar out of the bloodstream and storing it that they essentially spend most of their time a permanent state of hypoglycemia. Thus they suffer on two accounts: first, the energy sources are stored instead of burnt, resulting in weight gain, and second, they don't get the 'reward' of having consumed these nutrients because they are removed so efficiently from the blood stream that the brain and muscle tissue fails to get their fair share.

This eventually fractures the relationship between food and appetite to the point that Gatherer begins to eat simply to feel better rather than as any result of hunger signaling."

Read the full Gatherer Monograph by Dr. D. at http://www.4yourtype.com/gatherer.asp, especially the last part.

My daughter has found the Gatherer supplements to be extremely helpful for her, also.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:44am; Reply: 9
Victoria.. THANKS THANKS>> a lot of work.. and interesting food .. I need to review..

Yes this is good reading
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first, the energy sources are stored instead of burnt, resulting in weight gain, and second, they don't get the 'reward' of having consumed these nutrients because they are removed so efficiently from the blood stream that the brain and muscle tissue fails to get their fair share.

This eventually fractures the relationship between food and appetite to the point that Gatherer begins to eat simply to feel better rather than as any result of hunger signaling."


I think that is some explanation why food makes me come alive for a while.. I often say I eat for staying awake.. rather than eat for food/   but the desire feels like hunger.. then any food becomes a big temptation..   the other issue to food is that at least I dont get signals for thirst..I think I feel hungry as often as I should be thirsty - I do drink before eating.. but it does nothing for me.. just liquid because it's supposed to be good..   Victoria your long post is helpful..  :)
Posted by: mrstwobears, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 10
When I can't quit eating because I never get full I am not feeding myself fuel for the body, but feeding emotions or trying to stuff down emotions.
Posted by: battle dwarf, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 3:11am; Reply: 11
kombucha tea. i love to have it early in the day becuse it seems to cut hunger for most of the day with out lossing anything in nutrioton. it is nice at night before bed too to kill the midnight muncheies.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 3:20am; Reply: 12
Goldie, the text you highlighted is the one that really sums it up, I think.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 10:49pm; Reply: 13
Good morning Victoria... does your daughter sleep and work late??  and so her hours are different than mine .. I get up 6 -7am  ... But Its interesting how she eats full meals later in the day when the munchies start..   Interesting..  and I do like the soup early in the day.. imagine fresh cooked veggies.. (maybe from the left over's from Vegetable juices?) .. like I said; you gave me things to think about.. I also think she eats a little more.. (younger and burns it better and walks more)  

and cutting down on nuts.. is another thing.. I don't do grains.. (unless I am out and cheat)  

many thanks..  ;)    

9 am  ... I just made some juice of vegetable leaves.. Swiss Chard.. awful in juice.. but I cooked some leaves and it worked quite well cooked whole  in a beef broth.. that is my breakfast and my sups..   ;D

5pm I did it your daughters way and made it through a day without sweets, sugar, fruit, eating later lunch 2pm  and stuffed myself tonight.. I seem to be ok.. thanks for sharing your daughters experiment.. it is stunning to think no sugar at all and no fruit and only a few pumpkin seeds.. I will try this for 4 days and see if I can lick the cravings.. a new concept for me.. grateful..   :)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, April 12, 2010, 1:07am; Reply: 14
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Good morning Victoria... does your daughter sleep and work late??  and so her hours are different than mine .. I get up 6 -7am  ... But Its interesting how she eats full meals later in the day when the munchies start..   Interesting..  and I do like the soup early in the day.. imagine fresh cooked veggies.. (maybe from the left over's from Vegetable juices?) .. like I said; you gave me things to think about.. I also think she eats a little more.. (younger and burns it better and walks more)  

and cutting down on nuts.. is another thing.. I don't do grains.. (unless I am out and cheat)  

many thanks..  ;)    

9 am  ... I just made some juice of vegetable leaves.. Swiss Chard.. awful in juice.. but I cooked some leaves and it worked quite well cooked whole  in a beef broth.. that is my breakfast and my sups..   ;D

5pm I did it your daughters way and made it through a day without sweets, sugar, fruit, eating later lunch 2pm  and stuffed myself tonight.. I seem to be ok.. thanks for sharing your daughters experiment.. it is stunning to think no sugar at all and no fruit and only a few pumpkin seeds.. I will try this for 4 days and see if I can lick the cravings.. a new concept for me.. grateful..   :)


She is a student, so is usually up between 6:30 and 7:30 am, depending on which day it is.  She found that her cravings would always hit in the evening and she had very little appetite in the morning.  So instead of forcing herself to eat heavy food early in the day, she would get a light bit of warm nourishment for breakfast and then eat real food throughout the late afternoon and evening.  No cravings to snack at night that way.

Try some celery or fennel bulb as the main base of your veggie juice and then adding your leaves of choice.  A slice of red bell pepper also adds freshness and wakes it up.

Good luck with your experiments!  It's fun following your journey along with you.  (hehe)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, April 12, 2010, 1:38am; Reply: 15
yes I think she is on to something.. a smart girl being on good for her food and making the big sacrifices..  I am seemingly benefitting from her ..  ;) :)  

8) :K)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 1:48pm; Reply: 16
I have succeeded .. I am soo pleased .. eat broth, eat meals later, eat until I am full.no fruit, no sugar...now I can stop wanting stuff later in the day.. it's so remark :o :)able!!
Posted by: marjorie, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 3:14pm; Reply: 17
can someone  tell me about kombucha tea-- is it hot or cold and where do I buy it?

Also, where do I get chia seeds?

You guys are so creative.. I need to explore my options.

I agree with Denver- hunger is something we create in our minds.. 9 times out of 10, our bodies are not looking for food.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 3:55pm; Reply: 18
its emotional with us gatherers....! I love Victoria's daughter's regime! A bit spartan to me, but that may be its beauty. ;D
I find myself craving dense carbs...rice, a pc of millet toast, etc. for the sense of instant fullness...the fullness that is immediate....a real gatherer's dream!! I mean I can sense that this is driven by the gatherer's sense of....."must have calories, must have calories!" I try to be aware of this drive and head it off with a better choice, but sometimes I just go for it....(trying to get over this)
Thanks Goldie, I value this line of inquiry!
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 5:24pm; Reply: 19
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I have succeeded .. I am soo pleased .. eat broth, eat meals later, eat until I am full.no fruit, no sugar...now I can stop wanting stuff later in the day.. it's so remark :o :)able!!


I'm so happy for you!  I'll pass this on to my daughter.
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 5:41pm; Reply: 20
This too seems to be an individual determinant...

Whenever I am hungry, I need something.  It may be a supplement, a specific food (type) or drink, or a whole meal.  I will be "hungry" until I fulfill the need.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 10:20pm; Reply: 21
/// i get it .. I was hungry all my life, but honestly not from lack of food.. just my brain does not recognize food as any thing.. it only registers when I am stuffed.. so I am hungry or stuffed..

but for day 3 I have not been feeling that "feeling" of hunger.. and I am in a house for a week where they think mac and cheese is food.. but I brought my own food and find it easy to bypass the blueberries, the cookies, the cranberry juice, the cookies, do I need to go on>>> anytime I can do this I am OK OK OK OK,  yet I understand completely..

but for me the later in the day eating 'real' food (soup is not food) seems to keep me happy LATER into the evening..

so yes to all the issues - we discover what we need when the time is right.. it was not time - until 3 days ago.

    
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, April 15, 2010, 12:40am; Reply: 22
Another Gatherer, Peppermint Twist, who is less able to post on the board these days, swears that carbohydrates must only be eaten with animal protein.

Personally I find that pushing water that has enough sea salt (just a few grains) to make it taste sweet removes hunger pangs.  When you consider the general prohibition against drinking water less than half an hour before and less than two hours after meals, it will not work with 5+ meals a day.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, April 15, 2010, 1:38am; Reply: 23
Ok the salt water I never tried.. but just now for 4 days i have done just fine.. maybe the broth with the salt is enough to keep me going.. you might have something there from another point to view..
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