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Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:45pm
A meta-analysis of five case-control and two cohort studies examined the effects of soy intake on endometrial and ovarian cancer. 169,051 women and, 3516 with endometrial or ovarian cancer in the U.S., China, Italy and Japan with an average age of 54 were evaluated for their soy intake based on soy containing foods or soy isoflavone intake.

In each of the studies, women who consumed the highest dietary intake of soy had a lower risk for endometrial and ovarian cancers compared with the women who had the lowest intake.

Myung S- K et al. Soy intake and risk of endocrine-related gynaecological cancer: A meta-analysis. BJOG 2009 Dec; 116:1697
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, April 5, 2010, 5:34pm; Reply: 1
Interesting...does this info move tofu up from avoid for me as a gatherer? (I love it)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, April 5, 2010, 6:02pm; Reply: 2
(woot)(woot)(clap)(dance) I love soy..in any form! (except tempeh  :P)  Thanks Dr. D :K)


Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it Mercola!
Posted by: Eric, Monday, April 5, 2010, 6:29pm; Reply: 3
Thanks for posting Dr D!!  
Posted by: Chloe, Monday, April 5, 2010, 6:49pm; Reply: 4
I only eat fermented, sprouted soy foods and edamame.  Does it have to be tofu or is any soy
good enough?
Posted by: Dr. D, Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:02pm; Reply: 5
I think most fermented/sprouted forms are fine. I'm sure if they had pulled apart the A and ABs they'd have seen an even greater effect.
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:47pm; Reply: 6
Thanks, I kind of like tempeh too!
Posted by: sml, Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:54pm; Reply: 7
Thanks Dr D ....I knew that this BS about soy is a farce by the animal carnivors to eat food like seen in " Food Inc"
Posted by: Lola, Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:35pm; Reply: 8
Quoted Text
examined the effects of soy intake on endometrial and ovarian cancer.


:)
Posted by: Kristin, Monday, April 5, 2010, 11:12pm; Reply: 9
When eating soy, especially tofu, I always felt like I was eating inert matter rather than food.

Think I'll stick to green tea.   :D
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, April 5, 2010, 11:39pm; Reply: 10
Stick to your blood type specific recommendations regardless of the studies. :)
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 5:20am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Stick to your blood type specific recommendations regardless of the studies. :)


The point of the whole exercise.. regardless of whether the study is positive or negative.
Posted by: Brittnigirl, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 6:02am; Reply: 12
I'm really sensitive to estrogenic foods. they wreck havoc in my body.. causing all kinds of horrible swelling.. and I get headaches from fermented soy sauce (the supposed 'good type' of soy sauce)

so no matter what studies show.. I avoid soy like the plague.. not that its not good for other people... just not for me!

I also know it causes mastitis in Milk animals. so no soy for my Milkers either!

~Brittni
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:43pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Brittnigirl
I'm really sensitive to estrogenic foods. they wreck havoc in my body.. causing all kinds of horrible swelling.. and I get headaches from fermented soy sauce (the supposed 'good type' of soy sauce)

so no matter what studies show.. I avoid soy like the plague.. not that its not good for other people... just not for me!

I also know it causes mastitis in Milk animals. so no soy for my Milkers either!

~Brittni


You should get your secretor status determined.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 2:16pm; Reply: 14
Dr D I can NOT tell you what it means for you to be here live.. THANKS!!!!!!
Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 3:24pm; Reply: 15
Well, it sits very well with me.  But I just do the edamame.  I have some miso and tempeh I have to try.

Soy Milk usually always has junk in it I don't want.  And I haven't had tofu for a while, but I think you can get good, organic stuff.  This AB is not afraid of it.  I don't eat it all the time though.  But regularly.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 3:31pm; Reply: 16
Anyone ever taste natto?
Posted by: Brittnigirl, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 4:48pm; Reply: 17
Quoted Text
You should get your secretor status determined.


I have only just begun looking into this blood type diet stuff. :-) I am ordering the book... hopefully today. and will be getting the swami software soon also.

I became interested in the blood type diet, because after reading a list someone had of 'avoids' and 'goods'  for blood type O, I learnt that I was already intuitively starting to eat like that. and then I watched a little segment on epigenetics (is that how you spell it?) on Nova.. which got me really curious.

Previously I have always gotten in debates with a family friend. he says that all your health is genetic, and he goes on with the same story of how he knows these people. they have 2 sons, one looks like the mom the other like the dad. the one who looks like the mom has the same health issues as the mom, and the one who looks like the dad has the same issues as the dad..

I have always faught back saying, it doesn't work that way. you can overcome any 'health issue' with diet and lifestyle changes.. he doesn't agree...

anywho. now I know we are both right, lol previously I had completely disregarded genetics... now I am starting to see the big picture with genetics and epigenetics.. and I'm really excited!

~Brittni
p.s I will get my secretor status determined soon. :-)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:04pm; Reply: 18
All soy is black dotted on my SWAMI. So I basically treat it as avoids except for the occasional soy sauce.
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 11:34pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Captain_Janeway
All soy is black dotted on my SWAMI. So I basically treat it as avoids except for the occasional soy sauce.


In case you're avoiding gluten or wheat...soy sauce contains wheat.  Tamari is wheat free and
gluten free.

Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 12:53am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Chloe


In case you're avoiding gluten or wheat...soy sauce contains wheat.  Tamari is wheat free and
gluten free.



Tamari is difficult to find where I live. But I avoid it mostly because my liver cannot process the toxins it leaves behind.
Posted by: ABOALL, Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 6:29am; Reply: 21
This soy update is a much needed info for those who are entering perimenopause. However, some of the studies on soy give me an impression that the soy debate has far from been done - it may benefit one part of the body at the expense of risking the parts otherwhere??).  Again moderation + type(BT/GT) is the key in the use of soy, I think.

A danger forseen is half avoided. ::)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, April 8, 2010, 6:53am; Reply: 22
I tested a lot of A nonnies and AB's incl. myselve that soy isn't the very first option of food.... :-/(hand)(shrug).....all a question of individuality... I think..... :o(dizzy)(think)(sunny)....
Posted by: GayleOneg, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:51pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Brittnigirl
I'm really sensitive to estrogenic foods. they wreck havoc in my body.. causing all kinds of horrible swelling.. and I get headaches from fermented soy sauce (the supposed 'good type' of soy sauce)

so no matter what studies show.. I avoid soy like the plague.. not that its not good for other people... just not for me!

I also know it causes mastitis in Milk animals. so no soy for my Milkers either!

~Brittni



Agree....I also.   There's was a month that discovered Edamame (sp?) and was eating pretty regularly...well I ended up in the OB with lumps in my breasts and terrible pre-menstrual symptoms...Terrible!!  I avoid it like the plague myself...

That's just me...with all due respect Dr.
Posted by: Dr. D, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:45pm; Reply: 24
Gayle,

Not to denigrate your observances, but you'd have to eat about a sofa's worth of edamame daily to get anything near a dose of anything serious.

But anyway, my observances are really for type As, so type Os (either nonnies or secretor status unknown) needn't go on about soy. It isn't really recommended for you anyway.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 7:50pm; Reply: 25
I don't understand why soybean beans are neutral and soy milk is a black dot on my swami. If I don't have soy (tried cutting it out once when I had a thyroid issue) menses is horrific, as soon as I added it back I was fine. This was a drastic, dramatic change and soy was the only thing that changed.
I'm wondering if soy milk is a black dot because of the usual garbage added to it. My favorite soy milk is made with nothing but filtered water and organic soybeans, nothing else added.

I have started making almond milk and it is yummy actually much better in my coffee than soy milk. ;D
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 8:35pm; Reply: 26
make your own soy milk without the added junk
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 8:57pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Lola
make your own soy milk without the added junk


That wasn't really the question  :). The soy milk I buy has a two ingredient list: filtered water and whole organic soybeans. That's it, no junk, not even any salt. My question was: " is the junk the reason soy milk is a black dot or is there another reason, you know, peanuts and peanut oil have differing values, is that true for soybeans and soy milk?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:08pm; Reply: 28
then I see no reason as to why you shouldn t have that....
Posted by: JJR, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 8:29pm; Reply: 29
Where are you getting that??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: GayleOneg, Monday, April 12, 2010, 1:19pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Dr. D
Gayle,

Not to denigrate your observances, but you'd have to eat about a sofa's worth of edamame daily to get anything near a dose of anything serious.

But anyway, my observances are really for type As, so type Os (either nonnies or secretor status unknown) needn't go on about soy. It isn't really recommended for you anyway.


Thanks Dr.    Very well may have been coincidental for me ... but it scared the life out of me and I also have STRONG family history of BC...
Posted by: wanthanee, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 8:55pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Dr. D
I think most fermented/sprouted forms are fine. I'm sure if they had pulled apart the A and ABs they'd have seen an even greater effect.


:D :D ;D ;D Hello Dr. Peter, thank you very much.

WOW! this forum has been up since April 2010, I have been missing all the good stuff to know from you and everyone else.

Also, I know the food in health food stores such as Natto and Tempeh contain vinegar and wheat which Type A's should avoid.  I used to eat these things before I knew about BTD.  I stopped to eating them when I learned that I should avoid. So I have been missing all vitamins, minerals from those foods. I don't know what to do.

My question is, am I able to eat items that contain vinegar and wheat once it has fermented?  Or should I still avoid them? Thank you so much.  :D
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 9:03pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from wanthanee


:D :D ;D ;D Hello Dr. Peter, thank you very much.

WOW! this forum has been up since April 2010, I have been missing all the good stuff to know from you and everyone else.

Also, I know the food in health food stores such as Natto and Tempeh contain vinegar and wheat which Type A's should avoid.  I used to eat these things before I knew about BTD.  I stopped to eating them when I learned that I should avoid. So I have been missing all vitamins, minerals from those foods. I don't know what to do.

My question is, am I able to eat items that contain vinegar and wheat once it has fermented?  Or should I still avoid them? Thank you so much.  :D


I don't see wheat, gluten or vinegar in this tempeh.  But of course, you might not have this
brand where you're living.

http://www.lightlife.com/Vegan-Food-Vegetarian-Diet/Organic-Soy-Tempeh
Posted by: wanthanee, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 9:26pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Chloe


I don't see wheat, gluten or vinegar in this tempeh.  But of course, you might not have this
brand where you're living.

http://www.lightlife.com/Vegan-Food-Vegetarian-Diet/Organic-Soy-Tempeh


:D Hi Chloe, thank you so much. WOW! I can't wait to have that one.  :D :K) ;D
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 10:12pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from wanthanee

WOW! this forum has been up since April 2010, I have been missing all the good stuff to know from you and everyone else.


It's been up a fair bit longer than that.

You can do a search that will pull up all of Dr. D's posts, http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-search/p-user/by-1111/


or whatever subject you want.  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-search/
Posted by: Joy, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 10:17pm; Reply: 35
Well, here it is in a nut shell.  I'm an A secretor and soy products are good for A's.  I've tried tofu in a few different forms.  I can tolerate it in a smoothie (disguised) but I can't abide it in chunks no matter what its been cooked with and don't anyone mention that tofu picks up the flavor of whatever it is cooked in because I already know that.

I just came back from WF and bought some shelled edamane.  I'm getting back to eating it more regularly and I love it.  I also use soy creamer for my coffee.  

When I saw this title of this post I thought "Oh no, here we go again".  Soy is a big no-no.  Then I read Dr. D's comments and felt much, much better.  So, I'll be enjoying soy again.

Thanks again Dr. D. for helping us along the path.


Joy
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, August 18, 2012, 10:42pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from JJR
Where are you getting that??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


I'm sorry I didn't answer this, I missed it. I buy "Westsoy" organic unsweetened soymilk from Westbrae Natural, my grocery store carries it.  The ingredients are : filtered water, whole organic soybeans.
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 12:50am; Reply: 37
Joy,
I am with you on the tofu!!! :P :P :P
But....I use soy milk in my coffee and eat roasted soy nuts...edamame beans sometimes.
Only because Dr.D said it is good for A's! ;)
I have tried many forms of soy beans,sauce and paste.They give me a stomachache.  :-/      
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 1:34am; Reply: 38
I use Tamari a lot in my cooking ...

I also have tempeh, (every second week or so, a packet in a few days that week) ... the way I cook it my guests felt they were eating chicken ... just tempeh sautee with tamari and some herbs ...

... and then is soymilk in my soyccino, daily ...

Lazy me buys soy milk (often than I should), but when I do make my own, I use the Okara left over from milking, in my cooking and baking ...


I feel great having these soy products ... it aids my digestion and hormonal balance I think ...  ;D
Posted by: Joy, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 3:16am; Reply: 39
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck its still a duck!  No matter how you dress it up or put sunglasses on it I will know its tofu and not chicken!!!


Just my preference so there is plenty for those tofu afficiondos to go around.

Joy
Posted by: cajun, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 3:25am; Reply: 40
Joy,
;D  You make me laugh!!!!   Individuality= :D     Tofu+me=  :P :X

Like I used to tell my mom when she tried to force me to eat liver :P....
I"m leaving more for everyone else who needs or wants some...... ;)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 4:17pm; Reply: 41
Check out organic miso. Very nice.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 4:23pm; Reply: 42
Sigh. I miss tofu. I used to roast tofu with wheat-free tamari and toasted sesame oil until the outside got crispy, and serve with  veggie stir-fry and brown rice. In my low-carb days, I'd eat the tofu and stir-fry and leave the rice for the kids.

As an O nonnie with a B son and an O daughter who reacts poorly to soy (Explorer, possibly nonnie too) it's not a meal I can make anymore.
Posted by: wanthanee, Sunday, August 19, 2012, 7:45pm; Reply: 43
:D ;D thank you so much Lloyd and everyone.  :) WOW many thing to learn and I just love BTD forums and you guys. But I try to stay away from the computer but seem the computer is part of my life because it's a great way to learn and research. Well sometimes, with English not being my first language, I don't always understand 100% but I try.  That's one reason try to stay away because I end up sitting for hours interpreting what I am reading.  

MY Diamond food about soy:
Soybean Beans
Soybean Pasta
Soybean, Cheese
Soybean, Sprouted
Soybean, Tempeh
Soybean, Tofu

And Superfoods
Soybean Granules, Lecithin
Soybean Meal

I love Swami because I have many choices of foods to eat (as long as I have the money to buy  ;D)
Also, I know more about foods that I was concerned about before such as Lotus seeds.  Per my Swami it is BEST AVOIDED. WOW! I have been eating fresh raw (from the plant only, no chemicals) and cooked before. It is the number one traditional Chinese medicine.

I don't know if I should eat because I read for example that sellers often bleach lotus seeds with hydrogen peroxide or sodium hydroxide.  I want to know if Swami is telling me that I should avoid lotus seed because of the chemicals used or if it is just bad for my blood type A.

Even with rice, if it is good with no chemical additives it will not last long.  I mean if you let it sit for a few months, you will see small black bugs called mites. But if the rice has some chemicals added, it will stay forever without any bugs.

All the best to you.  :D :K)
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