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Posted by: DenverFoodie, Thursday, April 1, 2010, 9:02pm
I was wondering if anyone has had issues with contamination while collecting a sample for their secretor test.  I have heard bleeding gums potentially will give a false reading.  Are there any other caveats one should be aware of before collecting a sample?
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, April 1, 2010, 9:09pm; Reply: 1
I did mine by blood test in the doc office.. the lewis antigen test I think it's called ..
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Thursday, April 1, 2010, 9:25pm; Reply: 2
I did mine using blood test using Dr D agents in the UK.

But sent Emily’s off to the usa via swab test - still haven't heard anything regarding hers but they did warn me it could take several years! lol

It was only after doing the test for her that I thought about the contamination of bleeding gums – sounds like a bad idea doing swab if your teeth bleed.

But Emily is so young that she should be fine.
Posted by: Major, Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:25pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from DenverFoodie
... I have heard bleeding gums potentially will give a false reading...


So, is this true? Could a non-secretor with gingivitus be falsly diagnosed as a secretor? How much does the blood test version cost? ??)

Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:49pm; Reply: 4
call or contact
serotyping panel from swcnm phoenix
Contact Southwest Naturopathic Medical Clinic
in Scottsdale, AZ.  480-970-0000
SWCNM
http://www.scnm.edu/medcenter/laboratory.php
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 9, 2010, 11:50pm; Reply: 5
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

Welcome!
Posted by: Major, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 2:58am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Lola
...You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name...


I'm interested in the answer to my question and not what helps others with what might allegedly help me, especially since my blood type has nothing to do with my question on the secretor status saliva test errors as that applies to all blood types. If I ever have a question that my blood type could be critical in getting an answer then at that time I will consider providing blood type information in that thread only. 8)

Meanwhile back to the question: So, you're telling me to call or contact the serotyping panel from Southwest Naturopathic Medical Clinic in Scottsdale, AZ at 480-970-0000 (I don't have any long distance phone service nor do I have a cell phone... so I guess I should instead try to contact them at http://www.scnm.edu/medcenter/laboratory.php) and ask them this secretor status saliva test error question? Or just to find out what the blood test costs? :-/

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:12am; Reply: 7
Quoted from Major


So, is this true? Could a non-secretor with gingivitus be falsly diagnosed as a secretor? How much does the blood test version cost? ??)



If the gums bleed during the saliva secretion, there will be type information in the saliva.  Since there is type information in the saliva, it would indicate secretor status - even though the type material was from the bleeding rather than a secretion from the salivary glands.
Posted by: Major, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:28am; Reply: 8
Quoted from ABJoe
If the gums bleed during the saliva secretion, there will be {assume you mean non-secretor or secretor} type information in the saliva.  Since there is {again assume you mean non-secretor or secretor} type information in the saliva, it would indicate secretor status {does this mean the status would be "secretor" regardless if the individual is non-secretor - i.e. an 'error' since blood contaminated the saliva? or do you mean that the indication could be either secretor or non secretor and the presence of blood has nothing to do with determining status?} - even though the type material was from the bleeding rather than a secretion from the salivary glands.


I'm just getting confused  ??)

Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:38am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Major


I'm just getting confused  ??)



Is there something in my post that was confusing?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:03am; Reply: 10
yes, ask them about
Quoted Text
the gingivitus be falsly diagnosed as a secretor
question

glad you have no other questions.....
this particular one you are asking is best answered by the lab technician performing the test, don t you agree?

my invite is standard procedure
we are a friendly community, all in search of wellness
so hope you feel welcome here!
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 10:15am; Reply: 11
Save the Major some time and money and his Valium, he sounds like a Nonnie to me and i'd guess he was a+ b- and drinking way too much coffee and sugar and the fact that his teeth bleed from frowning all the time lol but there is hope for you Major - this stuff does work.

The procedure for swab test for secretor status is quite explicit about rinsing gums etc you have to go through a few rinses before giving sample so that might be why. but the blood test seems to work and is easy so why not just do that it's £30 odd pounds and a tiny sample of blood in the uk
Posted by: Major, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:49am; Reply: 12
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
The procedure for swab test for secretor status is quite explicit about rinsing gums etc you have to go through a few rinses before giving sample so that might be why. but the blood test seems to work and is easy so why not just do that it's £30 odd pounds and a tiny sample of blood in the uk


First to the 'answer': Soooo, evidentally blood from gums CAN cause an error in the results... probably why I've read so much on this board about the saliva test being so wishy-washy! £30... let's see that would be about US$30? ::)

Then on to the insults: I have never taken Valium, "he" - are you sure Major is a male? could just be rank... (probably think I'm white too) your guess of a+ b- seems to answer the whole issue so why take the secretor test at all... I don't do sugar, and my coffee is decaf. btw - teeth don't bleed - gums do, probably everybody's who is over 60 at least do just a little bit or at least enough to contaminate the test ~ as far as frowning all the time, that's only done when I think of the cowardly act of 1812.  And finally, there's always hope - and I never questioned whether this stuff works, and it's not very nice of you to assume I didn't... just asking questions about these tests :'(
Posted by: Major, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:52am; Reply: 13
Quoted from ABJoe
Is there something in my post that was confusing?


just does this mean the status would be "secretor" regardless if the individual is non-secretor - i.e. an 'error' since blood contaminated the saliva? or do you mean that the indication could be either secretor or non secretor and the presence of blood has nothing to do with determining status? ??)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 8:55pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Major


First to the 'answer': Soooo, evidentally blood from gums CAN cause an error in the results... probably why I've read so much on this board about the saliva test being so wishy-washy! £30... let's see that would be about US$30? ::)



Straight currency conversions
£30 is roughly US$45


Cost of blood test in US will vary considerably.



Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 10:06pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from Major


I'm interested in the answer to my question and not what helps others with what might allegedly help me, especially since my blood type has nothing to do with my question on the secretor status saliva test errors as that applies to all blood types. If I ever have a question that my blood type could be critical in getting an answer then at that time I will consider providing blood type information in that thread only. 8)




Everything here is about knowing each others blood type or genotype. :)
It enables us to get to know you and your individual needs.
I guess the blood sero-panel would be the best way for you to get your individual results.



Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 10:25pm; Reply: 16
Andrea!

some people you just can t tell, remember the Alamo? ;D
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 10:36pm; Reply: 17
Yup but I like PP.. ;) and you too!
Looking forward to seeing you. :)
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:12pm; Reply: 18
Some Mother's kids!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:15pm; Reply: 19
:)

we are all mother s kids!! lol
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:25pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Lola
:)

we are all mother s kids!! lol


That's true but sometimes I wonder!  lol
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:40pm; Reply: 21
Prehaps the valium comment was harsh but then humour can be that sometimes - Maybe it was a preminition. Another would be an O Vegan! or that truth lies in humour LOL

Peace, love
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 12:16am; Reply: 22
Lots of times truth lies within humor if you know how to read between the lines!
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 1:40am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Major
just does this mean the status would be "secretor" regardless if the individual is non-secretor - i.e. an 'error' since blood contaminated the saliva? or do you mean that the indication could be either secretor or non secretor and the presence of blood has nothing to do with determining status? ??)

If there is blood in the saliva used for the test, there will be blood type information there, so the test would indicate Secretor.

I wish you the best in obtaining great health!
Posted by: Major, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 2:47am; Reply: 24
Quoted from ABJoe
If there is blood in the saliva used for the test, there will be blood type information there, so the test would indicate Secretor.


So then I gather you mean the status derrived form the saliva test could indeed be indicated as "secretor" regardless if the individual may really be a non-secretor simply because blood contaminated the saliva sample, yes? Guess we older ones should stick to the blood test to avoid wasting the little money we get from social security on the flakier saliva test... ;)

(and thanks for the most straight forward answer I've gotten so far, well except for the currency conversion answer - most of the 'answers' from others seem to have socialist tendencies and/or a 'sense of humor' too abstract for an old fart like me) ::)

The Major - 911th Squadron
Posted by: battle dwarf, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 3:03am; Reply: 25
is that my grandpa?
seriosly yes, any blood, regardless of sourse, in your mouth will give a false reading. the euro must be going down. 7 years ago it would have been closer to 60$ if this (bleeding gums from a medical problem) is a possible problem i would sajest at your next dr visit you ask them to preform the lewis test for you via blood sample. may i ask if your retired? my grandfather was major hartsock, i am afraid i do not know the sqad #, of military police. he was often at fort chaffy and fortsmith, though he was at many other places as well. i know his squad was the one that escorted meradith to collage.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 3:53am; Reply: 26
Quoted from Major


So then I gather you mean the status derived form the saliva test could indeed be indicated as "secretor" regardless if the individual may really be a non-secretor simply because blood contaminated the saliva sample, yes? Guess we older ones should stick to the blood test to avoid wasting the little money we get from social security on the flakier saliva test... ;)

(and thanks for the most straight forward answer I've gotten so far, well except for the currency conversion answer - most of the 'answers' from others seem to have socialist tendencies and/or a 'sense of humor' too abstract for an old fart like me) ::)

The Major - 911th Squadron

Yes, you understand what I meant to say...  

To help heal the gums, you can rinse your mouth with 1/4 teaspoon salt dissolved in 1 cup water as warm as you can stand it.  Swish each mouthful for about 30 seconds, spit out and rinse with the next mouthful until the whole cup has been used for rinsing - maybe 8 to 12 mouthfuls.  This is best done after brushing and flossing.  After a month of this, and BTD or GTD compliant eating, should heal those gums so they don't bleed all of the time.

You're welcome for the straightforward explanation.  The thanks go to my Dad for expecting me to present clear answers to his questions!  A lesson that has served me well.

  
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