I posted this in the Gatherer thread and it showes my thinking porcesses..
sorry to post it twice.. BUT its now really about Diabetes too..  :'(

OK NOW I HAVE another question for Diabetes ll .. and what food??

should one eat more veggies which have carbs or more Protein??

the post was going to end here.. :D but then... my mind cought up with me


and I just did the quick test on ::)

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

and I am more O BTD than Gatherer!!!!!! so what am I to think - in the end I am going on the BTD diabetes book.again???? I read it aging and think I have to amend my food to be 'that' book compliant..  

Just checked!!!!! for a O Nonie with propensity to diabetes which I intend to lick in time here are my choices:  


MEAT: Back to Beef! nice..  

FISH: I dont' look at.

TURKEY: is just a NEUTRAL in DIABETES book!!!!!!!!!!!! darn it.. I am tripping over me every which way..

EGGS: the same Neutral not even beneficial - forget about super.. darn it...

OILS:  What is Borage super B .. just talking I can look it up..
-Olive is only beneficial not super

NUTS:  Filberts are super so are also Flax and Walnut, Pumpkin is beneficial.. while Almonds (I KNEW IT ) are avoid for O Nonie's!

BEANS: Green, Fava, Northern = SuperBenef.  
-Adzuki, and black-eyed peas= Benef.. Page 50 and 53 are in conflict.. re green beans??

GRAINS: no super B but Essene bread is Benef.. is it not dry and tasteless no sugar??  Ezekiel is only once in a while..page 51 and 52 are confusing about Essena.. I don't like it anyway.. so no biggie.

VEGIES:  Beet greens, Broccoli, Chicory, Collard, Escarole, Kale, Mitake, Seaweed, Spinach, Swiss chard all Super B..    
-Artichoke, Carrots, Dandelion ! Horse radish, Kohlrabi, Romaine, many mushrooms I don't eat, Okra Onion Pumpkin Turnip Fiddle head, Garlic are all Benef.  I like some of these better than Gatherer..

FRUIT: Blueberry, Pineapple, Plum, Prune are Super..
-Banana, Cherry, Figs, Guava, Mango, nonies also Avocado and Prickly Pear and Pomegranate, are Benef.. nice I like all.. (but I will stay away from banana and not over due it.. high glycimic..)

SPICES:  Fenugreek, Super B...  
-Carob, Ginger Horse radish, Parsley, Cayenne Pepper, Sea weed and nonies Basil, Bay leave, and Yeast brewers and bakers, Oregano, Saffron, Tarragon  are Benef..    
-nonies Turmeric moved to seldom neut. as is Choc!!!!! )  
-Cinnamon, Mayo and Apple cider vinegar, Stevia -I never liked  = 100% AVOID!

HERBAL TEAS: Green, Dandelion ( drink in juice form) Fenugreek tea?? I wonder what it tastes like? Ginger I like.. all Super B...
-Chickweed, Hops, Linden, Mulberry, Peppermint, Rosehip I like lots Vit C, Seltzer and club soda Sarsaparilla, Slippery Elm all Benef...  

Sups:   if I read it right ===== 13 Sups form NAP.. no way.. but maybe that is the way to LICK DIABETES??

DOES THAT MEAN I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD?? and all of you dear friends???   no way -- but I do have on inkling that I might move over.. and start a Diabetes ll thread.. anyone have on opinion???

This thread is my new shopping list!

Goldiiiiiiieee! If we lose you....we may not have a thread! But Yeah, start a new Diabetes 2 thread!
Interestingly, my foods are a lot like yours....via swami.

I will visit.. that thread is good..

I just looked at the NEW Diabetes Beneficial list.. It is different in many ways.. I even see the advantages now.  

I will explore staying compliant .. yet in taking less than I used to do.. like maybe 1 egg with veg.. instead of just 2 naked..

I seem not to be so hungry since the other postings about less -in general-  seems to work for now.

I am embarrassed about all my postings but they guided me, thought me, and made me feel secure to change once more. thanks all ..  8)

I hear you, Goldie~!   I'm an O nonnie Explorer and am "pre-diabetic".....meaning my blood sugar is high normal in the a.m., but if I eat something I shouldn't (wheat products, sugar, high carb content) it shoots up and stays up for longer than the two hours it should take for one's sugar to come back to normal.  

When I eat as I should as an O - whether it's BTD or GTD - my sugar remains in normal ranges.  If I deviate, it acts up.  As a treat to myself, I've found that eating a square of 86% chocolate bar (5gr sugar), my sugar is not affected.  So there are some things we can have.  However, there are days that I can be perfect with my food and the sugar doesn't come back down properly after eating anyway.

Interestingly, I've found there is a correlation between adrenal function and sugar dysregulation.  I have thyroid disease and I've also discovered that can cause low cortisol output from the adrenals.  Sugar dysregulation - and this makes sense in relation to my sugar "sometimes" acting normal - can be a direct result of low cortisol.  So I've been focusing on that and have found that as I get my thyroid regulated, my cortisol levels out, and my sugar is fine.

Worth looking into :-)

Is there any way you can get a SWAMI done? That would put all your questions to rest. I know that, if I had to choose one or the other, BTD or GTD, I'd go with BTD- but the SWAMI merges the two into the "Ruth Diet" that's better for me than BTD or GTD by itself. For example, I have turkey as a beneficial food (just like Gatherer) but chicken's a neutral (just like O). So, I'm able to eat chicken, but turkey is still a better choice.

I'd suggest being really careful with the portion sizes of grains, beans,  and fruits to keep blood sugar stable, nor would it hurt you to avoid grains altogether. I wouldn't worry at all about "eating too many" leafy greens.

Ruthiegirl.. Your name is my old girlfriends who is no longer here to chat with ..a nice reminder.

You said.. Interestingly, I've found there is a correlation between adrenal function and sugar dysregulation.  I have thyroid disease and I've also discovered that can cause low cortisol output from the adrenals.  Sugar dysregulation - and this makes sense in relation to my sugar "sometimes" acting normal - can be a direct result of low cortisol.  So I've been focusing on that and have found that as I get my thyroid regulated, my cortisol levels out, and my sugar is fine.

Worth looking into ........................  

I agree with you.. I think Diabetes is not only sugar related but actually shows as a symptom of all sort of other things that need fixing..including stress - got rid of coffee a few days ago.. with a better understanding of why!! (acid)

Now that is not to say that sugar does not matter.. I know if I had not changed to O BTD many, many years ago I would be much worse off.. (naturally I gave up all starches 15 years ago, no grains, dairy, starches...(except when I cheat 5%)

Swami yes.. as soon as I can I will look into it.. I did Gatherer for 15 month and just a day or so ago took the test mentioned in the first post.. and it shocked me into going on BTD for DIABETES.. and by making the food list I was shocked to find that I am hardly able to find those foods locally ..I will have to shop in a different place..  but the list for now makes all the sense.. I refined it for me.. with foods I will eat in the order seen.. I think I will be very happy as it is natural for me.. the one thing I soon will do is add sups from NAP.. and if I see improvements in 3 month I will further evaluate doing the heart protocols.. BUT what I really think is that ALL hormones are the issue.. all over and a lot more should be understood .. in a few month I will know more  ;D... 'w'll see how I am doing.. ??) thanks for your posts .. :)

PROT: Beef Benef.  TUNA / TURKEY: Neut .
EGGS: Neutral  GHEE: Benef
OILS: Borage super B - Olive beneficial
NUTS: Filberts Hazel / Walnut Super Benef               
-Pumpkin seed is Beneficial  
-Almonds AVOID!
VEGIES: Beet greens, Broccoli, Chicory, Collard,
  Escarole, Kale, Mitake, Seaweed,
  Spinach, Swiss chard all Super Benef.
- Artichoke, Carrot, Dandelion, Horseradish, Kohlrabi,
  Romaine, many Mushrooms
  Onion, Pumpkin, Turnip, Fiddle head, Garlic all Benef. .
FRUIT: Blueberry, Pineapple, Plum, Prune Super Benef.
- Cherry, Figs, Guava, Mango, Avocado and Prickly Pear,
  Pomegranate, Benef
- Banana 2x a month high glicimic,
SPICES: Fenugreek, Super B...
- Carob, Ginger Horseradish, Parsley, Cayenne Pepper,
  Seaweed Basil, Bay leave,
  and Yeast brewers and bakers, Oregano, Saffron,
  Tarragon - Benef..
- Choc, Turmeric moved to seldom - Neutral.
- Cinnamon, Mayo, Apple cider vinegar, Stevia AVOID!
HERBAL TEAS: Green, Dandelion, Fenugreek tea,
  Ginger all Super B...
- Chickweed, Hops, Linden, Mulberry, Peppermint,
  Rosehip, Sarsaparilla,Slippery Elm,
   Seltzer club soda 20 min before eating  Benef.
BEANS: Green, Fava, Northern = SuperBenef.
- Adzuki, and black-eyed peas= Benef..
  Page 50/ 53conflict.. re green bean
GRAINS: no super B.
- Essena bread is Benef page 51 and 52 confusing ..
- Ezekiel seldom.    

I am stunned -- again -- I looked at all the sups and got the message I never saw before..

things come when its time to do so.. The question about Hypoglycemia stunned me into recognizing when this diabetes trip started.. in my cradle.. belly and all .. a gift from my father.. so ironic its almost funny..

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1270231249/

A friend went shopping in a health store and found the new veggies.. hazel nuts and pumpkinseeds ..surprising it seems all things are more or less 'bitter'' and I like bitter..

I cant wait to see in a few weeks if it will make a difference..

this is so different than just " stop eating carbs and stop eating sugar.. which never made sense to me.. I never had anything to replace it with.. maybe now cooking these new veg will the experiment I need..  :)