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Posted by: balletomane, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:12pm
Just read this article about nutrigenomics:
http://ow.ly/1rBZ1

Isn't it something that Dr. D has been focusing on for years? ;)
Posted by: Stormy, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 6:37pm; Reply: 1
Hi!  Long time no  talk.

Hope everyone is doing well.  I'm fine, mostly . . . a little off my eating . . . but mostly OK.   ;)

I found this on Independent News and thought that it fit in with what Dr. D is already doing.  So they are finally starting to catch up.

For your reading pleasure.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028454_nutrigenomics_disease.html
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:15pm; Reply: 2
Dr D has given them a blueprint to follow!!

all these pseudo scientists are way too proud to admit or mention..... :-/
Posted by: teri, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:38pm; Reply: 3
There is mention of prop tasting in the reference link at the bottom of the article, however, a noticeable omission of blood type in both articles. Is it deliberate? hmmm. I wonder how many people know that blood type is a gene. I certainly didn't know before reading the BTE. If that simple connection were made in these types of publications, a lot of lights would go on.
Posted by: Freyja, Monday, May 2, 2011, 7:30am; Reply: 4
I just bumped in a page of a company that offers to make you a nutrigenomic profile here in my country. For the "All inclusive" package they charge 300 USD (200 EUR) and for the Delux package (that also includes the analysis of more than 60 genes that define your ability to detox of environmental toxins, degradation of alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, sugar and fat metabolism, the functioning of the heart and vascular diseases and predispositions for certain diseases )they charge 740 USD (500 EUR).
They include the blood test (A,B,O), secretor and non secretor and the genotype analysis. So basicaly they are offering what Dr. D offers + some extras for a huuuuuge price. And you get one print out and a couple of hours of personal consulting.
I am almost sure that they use the Swami Geno Type to do the "All inclusive" package.

Here they say why nutrigenomics is better than all the other diets.
http://www.nutrigenomika.info/NP_primerjava.html

They say that the BTD does not take into account:
- your innate epigenetic survival program
- the current state of the organism
- proper food combining for efficient digestion
- body sculpting / selective weight loss diet

And the GTD does not take into account:
- the current state of the organism
- proper food combining for efficient digestion
- body sculpting / selective weight loss diet

And they say that heyr sistem provides all that and more.

I translated the page with google so you can read more if you want:

http://bit.ly/m8hgrL

All in all they give you the same as Swomi but the price is enormous. What do you think?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, May 2, 2011, 11:44am; Reply: 5
They are springing up all over the world.
Dr. D's SWAMI is simple and elegant it does not require a load of testing. It is also very cost effective at $70.00 for a lifetime it can not be beat. These other companies will try but but in the end they will be too expensive for most consumers.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, May 2, 2011, 4:12pm; Reply: 6
I am having a little problem with the language (I am using auto translate).

But clearly the site is using material from both Blood Type Diet and GenoType diet. Including logos developed by D'Adamo.

They link you to right 4 EU to buy the D'Adamo supplements and books.

The site is run by Natasha Klarič.

Natasha Klarič is an MIFHI practitioner. (I do not know her, but others will)

While $70 is bargain for those who choose to do SWAMI on their own. Many people benefit from the added services and expertise that an MIFHI practitioner provides.  But one does need to pay for those services.

Posted by: Lola, Monday, May 2, 2011, 10:02pm; Reply: 7
she might be running the swami pro program and giving it a twist.....
thanks for the heads up :)

I personally find her sales strategy very dishonest.....

but as always, perhaps it s just me who perceives this person as a charlatan

credentials and all.......
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, May 2, 2011, 11:39pm; Reply: 8
Don't know her. :-/
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, May 2, 2011, 11:49pm; Reply: 9
Natasha Klarič received

Fellow certificate in 2007.
Masters in 2009

I presume she attended conferences those years.

Photo:

http://nutrigenomika.info/SLIKE/Natasa.jpg
Posted by: Lola, Monday, May 2, 2011, 11:55pm; Reply: 10
whatever, but it isn t ethical to step on something worthy simply to make a point on whatever it is you are selling.......
Posted by: Freyja, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:14pm; Reply: 11
I know that a friend of mine went and bought the all inclusive package a year aggo or so. She sayed she went and there was a guy and asked her alot of questions and then he told her what she was supposed to eat to loose weight. She has weight issues and a theroid problem. They took her saliva to determin if she was secretor or not (gave her a print out - i am not sure of that) and told her they'll contact her when they get the results of the saliva test. But she sayed they never contacted her. She says now she should call them at leas to know if she is secretor or not. Since she is trying to get back on the diet again.
All in all when I asked her if it was worth the money she sayed absolutelly not. If you have the book you already know what you are supposed to eat and how you should exercize and they don't tell you much more. This is just her point of view. Maybe other people had a good experience. In fact I know she went there because a friend of hers told her to go because she was so satisfied of the results. But, unlike me friend, her friend did know nothing about Dr. D's diets. Mybe that's why she was so thrilled.
I'd realy like to see the printout if they gave her one. I have to call her and ask.
Maybe if you pay the extra money to get the Delux package (because they do the analisis of the genes) might make a difference but the price might not be worth it. Well at least not with my income  ;)
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:38pm; Reply: 12
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They say that the BTD does not take into account:
- your innate epigenetic survival program
- the current state of the organism
- proper food combining for efficient digestion
- body sculpting / selective weight loss diet

And the GTD does not take into account:
- the current state of the organism
- proper food combining for efficient digestion
- body sculpting / selective weight loss diet


BS and more BS. if they were so good, and such a great value, they needn't have to knock other systems or ways of doing things. But this behavior seems like a genetic construct to separate those ideas of long-standing nature (tolerant of others) and all the other fly-by-night operations (knock the competition).
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 5:13pm; Reply: 13
perhaps want you get informed here: http://www.orthomed-nutrigenomics.ch   ;) ;D :K)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 2:25am; Reply: 14
Quoted Text
this behavior seems like a genetic construct


reminds me of cockroaches in a jar.......they all step on top of each-other and get nowhere ;D
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 3:13am; Reply: 15
Quoted Text
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. — Albert Einstein
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 11:53am; Reply: 16
do we know what updates and changes will be made?
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 2:44pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Freyja
Here they say why nutrigenomics is better than all the other diets.
http://www.nutrigenomika.info/NP_primerjava.html

...the GTD does not take into account:
- the current state of the organism
- proper food combining for efficient digestion
- body sculpting / selective weight loss diet

::) ::) ::)

"current state of the organism":  IS taken into account in GTD and certainly in SWAMI (basically, the further customization of the GTD to the individual level).  It is all about epigenetics!

"proper food combining":  is utter shullbit, imho, for the most part.  As long as you are eating the right foods for your genetic hard-wiring and individual specs, both genetic and environmental/situational, it is hard to combine them "wrong".  That said, Dr. D DOES go into a bit about food combining in the GTD.

"body sculpting/selective weight loss":   ::)  When you eat and exercise right for your type, you will NATURALLY lose the weight in healthy proportions throughout your body.  Let your BODY decide that, not some company using trendy phrases like "body sculpting" and "selective weight loss".

I'm sticking with the GTD and Dr. D, all the way.  To the top of the pops!  I've lost 85 lbs and I'm still losing (now trying for 90 and may end up going for an even 100 before all is said and done).  Dr. D's work is the real deal, not some over-priced diet using trendy phrases to reel people in.
Posted by: Jane, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 3:05pm; Reply: 18
You said it all, E.(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 5:20pm; Reply: 19
aaah.. I see... my last link didn't work for clarifications since...  :-/ :o :B ;D ;D :X hope this will in the next few hours....days ;) :D...(wiseman)(clown)(funny)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 6:18pm; Reply: 20
I wonder if we should be so harsch at immitators-- after all some work, and even some study went into the becoming of on 'expert'.. travel time and the desire to create a business model is another explainable expense that somehow has to be paid for.. IF a person also adds his or her own previous or subsequesnt education.. like RETRAINING what Neutritionalist's would have to do, well that also is expencive..

Dr D. is generous insofar as he was able to sell millions of books and started millions of people on a way of healing their own body for the price of open mindedness, learning and willingeness to try.. See how newbies are blown away by the results.. should Dr D. get credit, yes indeed! Will the wolrd do it?.. Maybe after his death.. Trailblazers, Artists are seldom recognised before they die..

I think coming across the books by Dr D. is like finding the first printing press .. the world is never quite the same after that.. There is hope and there is knowledge and there is opportiunity to take from his work and adapt it.. Should one feel frustrated, I think one can and will when others adapt your ideas and skill sets.. Some experience agrandizement by the mere charging of lots of money, some are are affecting it by name recognition (like Trump) some are more appreciated because of the address, while others just dabble, or work hard in making a living.  

Dr D. in sharing his world and coming 'here' is the treasuretroph we all benefit from.. in a few decades after we are all gone from this world, they will speak of him as a 'God'..  

It's like seeing the work that is left by the cities and rulers like lets say CLEOPATRA -- AFTER she was gone - she became bigger then life..

Dr D's 'knowledge base' will be recognised as something like that.. The adaptation of a complete work - BTD - GENO - SWAMI is bigger then any monument.  He made the work so explicit that any one of us who ( like me, basically where ignorant about food values) and yet, HERE we are able to spout words and some knowledge to newbies as if we where educated by the BEST PROFESSOR years into ADVANCED schooling.  Dr D's ability to fomulate the words and pages that would make his learned work come alive for any person that read it is by it self, on its own, a MIRACELOUS achievement..

Please show me one more such complete and compelling work .. yes indeed there are some.. but for our time Dr D and his word in print is bigger then any that came before..

Should others remake it into something that feeds their ego and their pocketbook, so be it.. should they acknowledge what they have done to improve on a business model so be it.. should they ever be in a circle of like minded people, then ask them how they are doing.. ask them how many millions they have helped.. ask them if they have added to what the world understood about food or health .. and if they help someone along the way with spending some time to hold their clients hand, to teach, to create a form, or suggestions, mixed witht their own learning, then so be it.. in 100 years it will not matter, but the books of Dr D. will live on.. the GENES affected by 'his' monumental work of original discovery and teachings will be enourmous!      

I don't fear for Dr D.. .... When I was first signing up for the Geno Newsletter (long ago through the publisher) I was thinking it expencive, but if that had not been there, I might never have found my way back here..(I was 'lost' to the second edition of BTD Chat site due to my own dummmbness computerwise) yet that newsletter told me that I am Gatherer.. and if that was the only thing I paid for IT was worth it!

Money is on issue. .. I spent mine on my friends kids and their education, so I am glad I don't have to pay more for BTD/GENO/SWAMI  .. yet, I am grateful that every so often I can send a book to someone for the pleasure of raving about Dr D. and hoping that with it the recipients will benefit as much as I have from Dr. Peter D'Adamo.   Thanks to 'THE' Doctor, thanks to the Man, and thanks for his Intelect that makes it possible, even for me, to learn and appreciate!  (sorry for grammar)
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 8:32pm; Reply: 21
Best said PT!   (clap)(clap)(clap)

These days I am sharing my weight loss story with people who take the initiative to ask me.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 5, 2011, 12:10pm; Reply: 22



hope this time it will work :



                        http://www.orthomed-nutrigenomics.ch


;) ;D(dance)(smarty)(sunny)
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, May 5, 2011, 12:16pm; Reply: 23
ISA it worked .. nice I might just be there then..  The real deal.. better take the thinking cap with you.  congrats.. I hope you get super attendance..
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, May 5, 2011, 12:20pm; Reply: 24
;) :K)(woot)(woot)(hehe)(cool)

doesn't it fit also to this beautiful blue colour ??) :D.... :B ;D ;D
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, May 5, 2011, 10:57pm; Reply: 25
:)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Friday, May 6, 2011, 5:06pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from paul clucas
Best said PT!   (clap)(clap)(clap)

These days I am sharing my weight loss story with people who take the initiative to ask me.

Oh, speaking of which:  I got a lot of positive feedback regarding my little piece in our organization's in-house newsletter.  We have...what are we up to now...I think it is about 1,200 or so employees, but it could be more at this point, I lost count a few mergers ago...and we're about to undergo The Big One, merger-wise, within the next year.  EEENYHOOO:  lots of folks see this newsletter, from Tallahassee to Pensacola to Tampa Bay, and I have had emails from folks I don't even know, saying that it helped them, as well as lots of people here at HQ coming into my cubicle and saying "Your article was really good!", even before I knew it was out.

Of course, it was EDITED to a maddening degree, including that the title was totally changed, sentences and paragraphs were moved totally around, taken out, and words replaced that seem little, like "this" to "the", in one case, but that "the" made the sentence sound like a cheap infomercial instead of how "this" would have sounded.  I HATE being edited.  I don't take it well.  It is probably good for me, but I hate it.  ANYWAY:  here is my fave email I received (I took out the name to protect privacy), from a nice fellow right here at my location of the organization:

"HI Edna,

Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences in the T.E.A.M. Pulse newsletter. I found the column to be a very inspirational story with a lot of good advice. I am going to share the article with my wife, (name removed). I am sure everyone who reads the article will come away with some useful information.

Have a great weekend."

Yay!  WINNING!  If each of us in this community could help/inspire just ONE person in our lives, think how many people we could help!
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, May 6, 2011, 5:34pm; Reply: 27
Great job, PT.  Glad somebody read it, after the effort to put it together...
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 7:19pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from ABJoe
Great job, PT.  Glad somebody read it, after the effort to put it together...

Oh, stand back:  I think I just did something really high-tech.  I just copied the image of just one part of a page of the .pdf of our company newsletter, to paste here, on account of we can no longer save anything (or is the word upload?) to image hosting sites, we can no longer save documents to Google docs, there is a whole long list of what we can no longer do, trust me, but I'm thinking, if I paste this image here and put the image codes around it, maybe it will appear?  If so, be warned that it was edited mightily and NOT in ways I approve of.  The title was changed, the text order moved all around, and the word "this" was changed to "the when I talk at the beginning about "this key to success" that I wanted to share.  I wouldn't be so arrogant and/or cheesy as to say that I wanted to share "the key to success", that sounds like a tacky infomercial!  ANYWAY, here is the article (I hope), as it appeared in our newsletter.  I didn't take the whole page, as other employees are mentioned in other things, so I wanted to protect their privacy.  Okay, here goes nothing!  Ta da:

....Yeeeeah, that didn't work.  WARDROBE!  I can't work like this!

Can't wait to get my computer in July!  When I get a new phone, I'm getting a computer, too, at Radioshack.  Oh yeah I am.  This is 2011, I'm finally getting into 1986, baby!  Don't even try to stop me.  It's either gonna be a laptop or maybe a "netbook" or maybe some sort of faux computer that is secretly really an extension of your phone but with a full keyboard and monitor, although I'm not sure I'm into that idea, as I can't stand the "mobile web".  I need the FULL web.  That is one of many things I appreciate about the way Dr. D has this site set up, btw.  It is one of the more user-friendly sites if you are accessing it from a stooooooo-pit mobile phone.  Anyway, I can't like the little column.  I will try to just capture the text somehow, but I don't think it will let me cut and paste anything.  *rolling eyes*.

Drat, foiled again!

edited:  wait a hair!  It allowed me (I think!) to copy the text, not as an "image", just the text.  Here it is and, I remind you again, this was mightily EDITED by the power (singular--one very nice woman who is in charge of Education and Training, and thus this newsletter, which somehow falls under that purview) that be (WARDROBE!).  The title, not of my choosing/writing, is "Striving for Wellness", which she told me later is what she is calling the column every time now, not just what she put in there as the title of mine.  Anyway, without further adeiu, here's how it appeared in our company-wide internal newsletter--I got my plug in for the BTD and GTD, wu HUUUUUU!  I had to, for without them, my story could not be accurately told.  They are the wind beneath my wings  ;D:

"“I struggled with weight my entire adult life, yo-yoing for years and mostly remaining quite heavy. What I’d like to share with others who
struggle with weight is the key to ultimate success: stick-to-itiveness! Never give up and, whatever you do, even if you lose and then gain all
the weight back plus more, don’t look at it as a “failure.” Instead, try to see it for what it really is: a learning experience! I have learned at
least as much about what works for me and what doesn’t in terms of diet from my ‘failures’ as from my successes. So, no matter how much
you may be struggling, don’t despair, because you could be just a few dietary “tweaks” from it all coming together and working for you. I was
238 lbs at my heaviest and remained there for a few years. I despaired, as I lost weight and then gained it all back plus more. It seemed to
take a very focused, disciplined effort and lots of time for me to lose weight, but two seconds for me to gain it all back.
Finally, in 2008, I found the GenoType Diet, written by Peter D’Adamo, who wrote The Blood Type Diet back in the late ‘90’s. He expands on his theory from that time, taking
even more individual factors into account in order to customize a diet that is in sync with your particular genetic hardwiring. As it turns out, I am one of the “thrifty genotypes”,
which means I’ve got genetic hardwiring that predisposes me to hold onto any and all fat, just in case a famine is around the corner. Balance is the key for me, and I’ve now
learned to eat in a way that keeps my brain chemistry balanced, steady and free of the cravings that once ruled my eating behavior. For me, I eat enough protein throughout
the day, avoid specific foods like wheat and corn that aren’t good for my “Gatherer” genotype, eat foods that are best for my type, and avoid all ‘junk’ ingredients. That’s it!
It’s as simple—and challenging—as that. I’ve also learned that exercise is key for me, and I try to walk at least half an hour every day, an hour if I possibly can. I’ve lost 83
lbs and hope to lose another lucky 7. It took me years of trial and error to learn what works and what doesn’t work for me, but now that I’ve got it, by George, I think I’ve really
got it!. I understand that I will always have to work at it and be careful, mindful and intentional about my diet and exercise, but I’m so grateful to have the knowledge, tools
and experience that I have now. Something very important to keep in mind is that the right diet should make you feel GOOD. If you feel like you are starving, deprived and/or
ruled by cravings, you are on the wrong diet for you. Keep experimenting until you find one that is a joy to follow and makes you feel revitalized and in balance. My parting
words to anyone struggling with obesity are: If I can lose the weight and keep it off, anyone can.”"
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 7:35pm; Reply: 29
;D(smarty)(ok)(whistle)(kewl) ;D :D(oh) :X
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, May 12, 2011, 7:06pm; Reply: 30
I could see a future in some alternative PR/journalist gig for you, PT!  You have more sticktuitiveness that the world's biggest stamp collection!

Freebie Nutrigenomic Advocate High five!  WL
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Thursday, May 19, 2011, 3:52pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from paul clucas
I could see a future in some alternative PR/journalist gig for you, PT!  You have more sticktuitiveness that the world's biggest stamp collection!

Freebie Nutrigenomic Advocate High five!  WL

Sounds vunderbar!  I CANNOT stand Thing One about my current job, other than the paycheck and benefits...and those two are why I have SOMEHOW withstood all the rest.  It's amazing how one (I) will allow one's spirit to be systematically, outrageously and overtly crushed all in order to pay the bills, ain't it?  Weird.  Wild.  Wacky.  ;D

Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 5:01pm; Reply: 32
w wie = wunnefull??) ;) wunderbare news...yup  ;D ;D ;D
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