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Posted by: Goldie, Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:14am
I have looked in the Geno related posts and have not found many Geno specific threads.

I am o neg, non sec = Gatherer.. and I wonder are there no gatherers here? and actually how many are there? could it be that the O non sec makes this a rare item?  there seem to be few gatherers in any of the posts.. is it just my impression or am I just wrong?

Gatherers I am holding my breath to meet you.. with a  :) ;) :D

Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, March 19, 2010, 1:27am; Reply: 1
I'm thinkin' there are a lot of gatherers here...but wonder, too.....where are they?????
Actually, Geminisue started a thread for gatherers...but it disappeared. I think we need one. We need to share menus and stuff.
Let's keep this one going.
I'm on swami, but it is so much like the gatherer....
One thing I love is taking cranberry juice (completely unsweetened) and dilute with water about 8-1
(more water) and add stevia to taste. It makes a great drink!!!!
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:13am; Reply: 2
Hi Joli and Jayneeo, yes I did start one, and it kept disappearing, from lack of post, so I left it buried, wherever it is. lol But yes we can begin again and see what everyone wants to talk about.  

I find eating all those vegetables a hard thing to do, I'm lucky if I get three cups in a day, but feel if I did I am doing okay.  What do you do to get them in, if you do?
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:15am; Reply: 3
I'm here well kind of i'm on meds (allergies) I'm staying on the geno diet, but I sure can eat when I feel bad, drinking lots of different teas. I use to drink diet cokes, it kind of burned the stuff out of my throat. I'm really surprised at how easy it was to change over. For the most part I found it easy to drop the gluten. How hard were you changes, For me it was kind of like ya, this feels right.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:27am; Reply: 4
I love vegies, I eat mine like snacks, it helps to have bowls or zipper bags with ready to eat stuff. I do this so Ken (my bh) will have them ready for lunch, also we have always eaten alot of stir fry, curries and have a salad or other vegetable with dinner. I can eat okra, asparagus, squash, among other vegs. straight out of the garden.  What i can't eat is anything greasy. yep I'm a gatherer
Posted by: battle dwarf, Friday, March 19, 2010, 3:05am; Reply: 5
lol DH mom!  :D
nothing better for the munchies than a crisp head of lettice...i have some.
yeah
hear that crunching?
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 19, 2010, 3:41am; Reply: 6
thought you'd be working, I count 5 gatherers, 6 if you count dad
Posted by: BCgal, Friday, March 19, 2010, 4:05am; Reply: 7
Hi, another Gatherer here.  I wasn't wild about my Gatherer food list at first, but really love my list after I did my SWAMI.  It's a great combo of the O foods with Gatherer foods.
Posted by: 8530 (Guest), Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:04am; Reply: 8
Hi...I just got that Genotype Diet book from my library and quickly did measurements to find out I was a gatherer.  I already knew I was a secretor from the BTD before so it was pretty quick to do the advanced test.  It seems to me that most of the O foods seemed the same, but some interesting differences.  I was surprised to see cottage cheese as a superfood and also rice milk.  I was also surprised to see beef heart and beef liver as a toxin to avoid.  I went out of my way to buy these from my grass-fed beef farmer I buy from.  I guess not anymore.  I was more suprised to see blueberries, cherries, bananas, prunes, plums and prunes as toxins to avoid.  To tell you the truth, I loaded up on all of these before.  Now it suggests to eat elderberries, lingonberries &  loganberries.  There's some normal fruit like watermelon, peaches, pineapples & grapefruit, but where in the world can I buy those other berries?  I couldn't even find them in Whole Foods where I usually can find different things.  One thing I haven't ever tried is yerba mate which is supposedly another superfood drink.  I'll try it since I enjoy trying new things.

Anyway, these are some of my intial thoughts about the Genotype Diet book.  I would also like to know what the difference is between The Genotype Diet book and the Change your Genetic Destiny book.  Are there different food lists in this book?  Is it basically the same thing?  Some reviews I read appear to say the same thing I got from the Genotype Diet book.

I say keep this Gatherer thread going and see what we can get out of this!

Don
Posted by: BethE, Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:37am; Reply: 9
Quoted from geminisue
Hi Joli and Jayneeo, yes I did start one, and it kept disappearing, from lack of post, so I left it buried, wherever it is. lol But yes we can begin again and see what everyone wants to talk about.  

I find eating all those vegetables a hard thing to do, I'm lucky if I get three cups in a day, but feel if I did I am doing okay.  What do you do to get them in, if you do?


I too have a hard time eating veggies.  I recently started adding them to my smoothies.  Its a fantastic way to get a lot in without tasting them.  For breaksfast I blend a 1.5 cups of two types of fruit (like mango & berries); then I add in 2-3 cups of spinach or collards.  It looks like mud, but it is so tasty!   :)  
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 19, 2010, 7:28am; Reply: 10
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difference is between The Genotype Diet book and the Change your Genetic Destiny book

none :)
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, March 19, 2010, 11:07am; Reply: 11
Dr. D put a new cover on the book!
Posted by: Skillie, Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:59pm; Reply: 12
Hallo All Gatherers, I am also a Gatherers and glad to see that we can communicate amongst each other again.

I dont mind the veggies as long as they are tucked away in stews.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 19, 2010, 1:25pm; Reply: 13
we haven't done the taster or secretor test yet, So, guess we need to get that done before any of us can do the swami. Am I guessing right :-/
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, March 19, 2010, 1:39pm; Reply: 14
Welcome to the Gatherers TEA klatch.. oh gosh.. how nice..  :)

SO, there are 10 Gatherers here over night.. I am surprised -  :B it seems that there are more RH + then I expected....

So we all have shorter lower legs.. welcome to this smorgasbord..  ::)

yet you know if we could find the old post (know where it might be?) then we could continue that one .. I am willing.. but in the interim here we are ... lovely.. nice meeting you.   ??)

I make the green veggies into a drink .. Swiss chard or spinach or dandelions about a half glass in juice and guzzle it.. let my body figure out what it is supposed to do with it. You are right some  stuff tastes like eating dirt..  
:X
I was shocked that it its watery green veggies we are supposed to eat.. I am doing so more intense since recently.  I count the other veggies as not green but yellow for the eyes, red peppers, zucchini and such as yellow also romaine and, asparagus, as not green enough.. I make a plate full every time for lunch and dinner.. mixed stir fry half cooked with turkey. ;D

I now cook all much less so as not to brown anything.. I used to brown onions until I read in Papa D'Adamo that it is just like burning the sugar content into caramel.. a memories from childhood.  :)

and as of yesterday I finally realized that I need more turkey than just a palm size.. that little bit (3-4 0z) in meat is ok (got used to it) but turkey needs be unlimited (for now) or I get hungry.   when I first started with o' diet I was eating 12 ounce steaks to make up for the loss of starches.  I needed it emotionally and physically.  I ate many more walnuts and blueberries with banana smoothies.  Over time I was able to cut back to what I think are normal portions and so later I will learn how to be full with less turkey and cut back.. but not today. 8)

I would love to know how any of you cook your turkey???  ??) ??)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, March 19, 2010, 1:41pm; Reply: 15
I did rather poorly on the "by the book" Gatherer diet. SWAMI labels me a Gatherer, but I seem to have more O foods than Gatherer foods on my particular list. I felt hungry and unsatisfied the whole time I was doing straight GTD, and my 13yo complained that the family meals felt less satisfying as well. Just getting carrots and broccolli back has made a huge impact!

I stopped contributing to the big Gatherer thread because  I felt like I "had to" check on both the Gatherer thread and the "Fresh Start" thead daily. I found it easier to  list my daily foods ONCE per day, not twice. ;)

I'm really not sure what's required for SWAMI and what just makes it more accurate. I did the taster test at Andrea's house when she measured me and ran my SWAMI. She also ran my SWAMI through twice, once listing me as a secretor and once as a non-secretor- there were very few changes between the two food lists. I'm not sure if you can do that with the SWAMI XPRESS though (run it through twice with different info), as Andrea has the professional version. I'd still  like to know my secretor status, but it's not really a priority anymore
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:03pm; Reply: 16
How much family history is needed, some of my family is pretty blank. broccoli is black dot and I love it so it will be back on my table this fall. Just not as much.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 19, 2010, 3:03pm; Reply: 17
I'm not a turkey fan, but usually do the roasting thing. I then use up in soups, etc. Turkey is kind of dry for me. So I could use some help here also. I raise chickens but don't eat them. Just their eggs, and I sale eggs, this helps cover the feed cost. I tell the girls "no eggs no feed" You should see them run to the nest boxes. (I'm just joking) ;) however since we live in the county after lunch I let them out of their yard and they can get their own food. (Bugs and seeds) This has cut down the ticks.
Posted by: BCgal, Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:14pm; Reply: 18
I can't remember when I last cooked a whole turkey, but I have been doing turkey breasts in the crockpot.  Got some going right now.  Took them out of the freezer about an hour before I threw them in the crockpot.  Added some seasonings & put it on high.  I'll let it stay there for a couple hours and then turn it down to low & leave it all day till supper.   Started it at 9:00 AM.  It comes out falling apart & still very moist.  I got this idea from someone else on the board, but I can't remember who.  Sorry.  Anyway, my Hunter husband & I like it that way.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:03pm; Reply: 19
Hi all ....well it's 2pm

I seem to have this crazy gene called:  'being afraid of becoming hungry "  it is so stupid but it kicks in strong when I am going on a 'DIET"  ... in my mind diet equates with instant crazy FEAR that maybe I will be hungry some time..  I don't hoard anything.. nothing owns me, so no problem there.. just my mind playing real tricks.. and I don't remember being hungry other than by choice.. seldom.. if ever..

Antidote:: I just went to the market and bought 6 packages of turkey white meat called Tenderloins.. about $6.50 per pack.

I came home and felt the need to make me feel happy KNOWING that I COULD eat to my mind's delight.. somewhat removed from my body.. my body only fits so much and no more into my stomach.. but the mind has no such constrictions..

so I cut the breast up into .75 inch strips side ways.. cooked them in olive oil and then I placed them in glass jars (from coffee - able to tighten the lids..) and will place them in the refrigerator for eating later.  The other packages I will put in the refrig.. since they have a sell date of one week from now.  I expect to cook them in a day or so also and place them in the frig then also..

what is interesting is for me : that when I KNOW that I have food in the house READY to eat then I FEEL satisfied.

crazy but so is life's experiment .. I know right now I need the turkey to be waiting for me.. lots of it.. to eat cold or warm, on  plate or by hand.. ...Somehow I need to make up for the 'loss' of vegetables (in my mind) since I seldom (if ever) ate them any way.. sweet potatoes or some other imaginary item I am giving up - seldom ate them ..but in my mind.. I am afraid of the new diet.. the word terrifies me..

so for right now after a big salad and turkey I am satisfied.. and my mind can RELAXXXXXXXX  ;D  

I went for the blood test today and cant wait to see what good I did my self.. or not.. 'til later..

by the way cooking in a slow cooker is a good idea .. anything but to clean the oven.. never used it in 10 years. 8)
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:06pm; Reply: 20
BC, that sounds so good! I remember reading that too...and now I eye turkey breasts at the store trying to imagine them fitting into my crockpot, but it always seems unlikely!
How to eat 5 c. veggies per day. (or really...more.)??? A challenge.....but getting better.
yesterday was only so-so: spinach, couple of romaine leaves, and an artichoke....fruits came easily.
Today I'll try harder with the veggies.

Joli-....love your turkey idea!!!
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:14pm; Reply: 21
I buy boneless turkey.. cant imagine handling the meat.. squeamish..

but here is a post I saw on another thread.. for our vegetables.. from veggiequeen...

Hey, Joli O- ... sorry about your eyes!  
I knew it was a lot to read, but there it is... it seemed important at the time!! Hope your eyes are rested up!  

The veggie thing is not easy at first... I know. Swiss chard, spinach, dandelion are all great places to start. I'll post this here, but maybe we should start a new thread about cooking greens to get more input! I'm always happy to learn a new way to do things.

Here's a tip... greens can be sturdy/tender, or sweet/bitter. And 2 bunches of the same type of green can be slightly different due to growing conditions, harvest time, handling/storage, etc. Lots of fresh foods can vary... so even if you don't love something the first time, don't give up. Just keep learning and trying again until you do.

You can find all sorts of recipes online either TYPEbase 4 or elsewhere. Warning! many greens recipes out in non-BTD land will lead you to believe that greens have to be cooked with cured pork in order to be "fit to eat". (As my grandmother used to say!) There is nothing further from the truth!

So try some basic greens cooking before you branch out and you'll learn alot about what you like! These ideas are great for collards, kale, chard, and mature spinach.

First, clean the greens well. Sometimes they're sandy. Submerge in water and swish them around.

Remove the center rib on collards and kale, leave it attached for chard, spinach, and dandelion. I slice out little blemishes if they bother me. Slice the leaves crosswise into 1/2" strips or 1" chunks. Let the chopped greens sit for at least 5 minutes before cooking them. This 'fixes' the enzymes and makes them more nutritious when cooked.

Bring about 1" of water to a boil with a little sea salt. You'll need a big pan to hold the raw greens but they cook down quite a bit. Stuff the chopped greens into the pan and clap the lid on. As the greens wilt, keep pushing them down into the water. Once they're in the water, reduce heat and leave the lid on. Simmer about 5 minutes, stirring occasionally if it seems necessary. After the greens have turned bright green start tasting a small piece every minute or so to judge when it becomes sweeter and loses the 'raw' taste (think front yard ha!). Don't overcook, but do cook long enough that they're tender and taste good to you. When you like it, turn off the heat.

Now you have a choice...
1. Drain most of the water off (but consider saving it to drink... is great for the stomach... reduces over-acid conditions... nixes cravings... it's actually called "pot likker" - as in liquor) and dress the greens with olive oil, salt/pepper to taste, and eat.

OR

2. Leave the water in the pot, add some olive oil, and eat it like a brothy soup. Sliced raw green onions optional.

Or for a Garlic Version - add crushed garlic after the greens have wilted in the pot, take off the lid near the end of cooking to steam off the water, dress with olive oil and serve. Really great with black-eyed peas and brown rice if you eat that. Still good if you leave off the rice.

Kale is great with the garlic version, but can also add canned cannellini beans (I use Eden Foods which are cooked with kombu) toward end to heat through, dress with olive oil. Serve. Sometimes we pile this on white spelt rotini, great if you can eat that. Still good without it. Tasty next to some chicken or fish. With sweet potato (Type O) to round it out. (Or roast butternut squash for Type A)

Whatever you do, try not to overcook the greens until they turn olive-drab green. The brighter the better, just not so bright that you feel like a bunny in your yard eating them!  

If you are cooking a meal and they get done before everything else is ready, just take the lid off the pot and let them cool down before you add the olive oil. Then just when everything else is ready, heat 'em back up quickly, oil 'em, and serve.

My SS, Type O, 16 years old, loves all these greens. He also often sprays them with a bit of Bragg's Liquid Aminos.

Enjoy! And keep us posted about how it goes...  


::) :D :K) 8)
Posted by: Frosty, Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:14pm; Reply: 22
Hey yo, I am a Gatherer too. :P
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:33pm; Reply: 23
YOU ARE KIDDING !?!   that has never occured to me that B's would be possibly Gatheres too??? I guess that makes some sense with turkey.. but no grains for you and no starches.. ar'nt you starving??? must say you are looking good..
Posted by: Frosty, Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:14pm; Reply: 24
NOPE I am NOT kidding.  Starving no, deprived of some of the foods I would really like to have yes.  I had to cut all starch including my favorite, Basmatti Rice.  I just wasn't loosing weight, felt good but no weight loss. Once I cut the rice and sweet fruit like pineapple, I started losing.  My fear is once I reach goal which is about 10 lbs away and put those things back into my diet I will start gaining.  

What I am doing is like a "modified" Atkins diet (with GTD compliant foods) and it is quite boring and restrictive.  It gets frustrating for me at times because I can't have this and can't have that.  Thus the reason I want to go see Dr. D.  I am thinking he may be able to help me find my correct path.  I don't believe the BTD or the GTD Gatherer diet are the best match.  I feel great on the BTD but, don't lose and have low blood sugar issues.  I feel some foods on the Gatherer diet are for me and then some I don't feel are a good for me.  So, to lose weight, I feel like I am stuck on a "DIET" and not a way of life, due to all the restrictions.

I had the secretor test done over a year ago and could have sworn that I was a "nonnie" and was shocked when the results came back as a secretor.

Last year I had abdominal pain for months.  I jumped from one treatment to another and finally found a doctor that found a couple of problems.  One of them was my stomach produces little to NO acid.  This is not good it can cause all kinds of problems.  Many of the things my doctor wanted me to eat were contradictory to the BTD and the GTD.  I need the acidic foods in my stomach to assist with digestion etc.
The other problem I had were 4 holes (each the size of a Quarter) in the mesentery of my instestines which needed repair.  That is most likely what caused the unbearable pain that I had been having where I felt like I was going to die.

Anyway, I look like I have aged 5 years from this time last year and I am sure it is related to the low acid in my stomach.  I am such a train wreck I don't even know if Dr. D will even want to help me.  My medical history is long, but for the first time in a long time I am feeling very good stomach wise. It could be that I am eating some acidic foods that aren't compliant (by what the books says) for me, that perhaps Dr. D would say are.
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:24pm; Reply: 25
yes B's can be gatherers! Welcome to the gatherers unite thread! :D
Frosty, Dr. D will be happy to work with you-never doubt that! I think he is very good with gut issues!
Are you eating ghee? Please keep us posted on your progress.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:01am; Reply: 26
Years ago.. TIME FRAME before BTD: I was sick as can be.. tired to the point of not wanting to breath for it was to much effort.. I was in pain I was depressed, I gained weight, ........ all that went away after I went on BTD.. I ate pounds of meat zx a day and salad and some veg.. I at lots of walnuts..  icecream when I had to. coffee not always on off for 6 month at a time.. fruit some .. I learned to be happy with FODD real food.. I learned over years to eat more normal portions.. BUT all along I started feeling better..

it was over night (feeling better when "I" gave up all dairy) but it took a short time for me to feel better and SEE  daylight at the end of the tunnel.. yes I have issues with sugar with heart issues as I will get worse getting older.. but INSTINCTIVELY i learened that BTD was making me better.. and compared to then .. I AM on OLIMPIAN today.. I can choose to eatright.. I can choose to follow Geno, I have choices to take a walk or not and I have choices in the future of my life.. WITH BTD GENO.. I did not have any of those choices while going to regular doctors and following their advise.. That may work for others but it did not work for me.. I KNOW where my health comes from I know that you are here becasue it is THE right place for you.. follow geno follo BTD I think you will win in the end.. even if some changes are slow in coming.. just staying away from chicken will prevent cancer.. for you.. and that is just one benefit.. imagine how many more you might find.. stay here.. be encouraged.. struggle, enjoy it love it brag about it and cheat a little when you have to .. its all part of living life.. (by the way I see my reg doctor ever y 2 month so he can test ma and see how I keep ahead of the disasters or become better one day at a time..

hormones are on issue but I think Candida can be another .. ask for Diffusing for one dose and see if that might clear up a lot.. or at least enough to make most items go away..

If i am coming on to strong its not meant that way.. good luck..  :)
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:54am; Reply: 27
Oh you are not coming on to strong.. I started the BTD right after the new year in 2009 and did rather well on it, felt very good, but no weight loss.  I  had been having abdominal pain since Aug of 2008 and it continued to get worse.  I followed the protocol in Dr. D's encyclopedia and nothing seemed to work.  I called my cousin in Seattle who is a ND and she supported all of his protocol.  It was getting bad, the docs thought it could be a bowel obstruction or intestinal hernia, but I didn't want to do anything until my husband got home from overseas.

My husband came home from Afghanistan and we went to Puerto Vallarta before he went back to civilian work.  It was there that my problem scared him.  We were in a foreign country and I was having an episode worse than any other.  My husband is a physician and this really got his attention and quick!!!  Thankfully it was on the last night of our vacation.  When we got home he made some calls and got me in to see some specialists that he felt would get to the bottom of everything.  Thankfully, they did.  It took 3 and half months and a laproscopic surgery and I was feeling better.  I have not had a problem since December of 2009 knock on wood. ;)  Please note: My husband, John, doesn't usually get involved in my healthcare.  He comes home from work and really doesn't want see anymore patients for the day.  I can talk to him about things, but he won't treat me.  To him that is a conflict of interest and doesn't like to cross that line.  

I have very few hormone issues going on, I had a hysterectomy 7 years ago and don't take hormone.  Perhaps that is the problem?  I do have osteoperosis and am anemic, which I  believe that has been brought on by low stomach acid.  I don't have any signs of candida.

My husband has been supportive of the BTD as well as the GTD.  In the beginning he was a little skeptical, of the GTD because some of it contradicted what I had been doing with the BTD.  He follows the BTD for A's and was sold on it when he felt better, more energy etc... and he is only 75% compliant.  I just talked to him as he has been deployed again and he is doing very well following the BTD where he is at.  My biggest obstacle with him was getting him off of diet coke and I am happy to say "he has been diet coke free for quite some time now"... WOOOHOOOO!!!  

Thanks for your feedback I do appreciate it.  And YES I EAT GHEE!!!  Love it and use it a lot.  I am the ghee making queen in this house.  Now got my parents hooked on it.... hehehehehe
Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 1:00am; Reply: 28
dose seam odd. double check your measurments?
any one eale try kombucha tea? it tastes like sour wine and fizzes more than a shaken coke! i love it,and it comes in alot of combos. like green (spirulina and choleara) and mango, and one they call botanic no.3 that has elderberry in it.
oh if you want elderberry you can get it from nutsonline.com
i have not seen the turky tenderloins. all i see here is frozen whole, the breasts, legs (for some unknown resone) and all ground up.... or still on the wing. :-/
Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 1:15am; Reply: 29
all your problems seem really odd for a b. i had hoped i was one before i did my blood test becuse you get so much dairy. sigh. b's are saposed to be the most balanced of the blood types. a's having the lest stomace acid and o's having the most. yeah i read the whole book not just what i needed. thought i might try to help some of my freinds.
an apointment with dr.d sounds like a good idea becuse something is defantly out of balance. it sounds like your acid glands have shut down and yet holes in the stomac and intesten are usuly caused by acid.
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 1:44am; Reply: 30
Fosty, I found ruthiegirl's story interesting. She went to swami now her diet seems to be a combo of gatherer and the BT O and it sounds like you are also needing mixture of the two.(gatherer and B) I felt good on the BT diet but I fell better on the getherer, having said that I've put on weight which I don't need. Hoping I just need to workout more now that warmer weather is here, and some other things that have been taking up my energy are settled. If not I need to get my taster and secretor status done and I'm going to try swami. But I'm staying right here there's a lot to be said for feeling well.

Joli, why I hadn't thought to put turkey in my crock pot I'll never know. I will now.

and thanks to the one who told how to cook green. mine were always bitter, so maybe I've just not been cooking them long enough. I'll try again might put them back into the garden they grow well here
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:38am; Reply: 31
Quoted from battle dwarf
all your problems seem really odd for a b.  b's are saposed to be the most balanced of the blood types. a's having the lest stomace acid and o's having the most. yeah i read the whole book not just what i needed. thought i might try to help some of my freinds.
an apointment with dr.d sounds like a good idea becuse something is defantly out of balance. it sounds like your acid glands have shut down and yet holes in the stomac and intesten are usuly caused by acid.


I read the whole book too, because I am one that wants all the info not just bits and pieces.  ;) I do seem odd for a B, that is why I thought sure I was a nonnie.  Imagine my surprise to find out I wasn't.  Now the next question is probably going to be are you sure you are a B???  The answer to that is yes, positive.  I had a blood test done several years ago because I wanted to donate my kidney to my daddy.  I was B and my brother was an A.

Oh and let me tell you I am odd.  ;)


Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:40am; Reply: 32
deb,

You gained weight on the gatherer diet?  What was different than O with the Gatherer diet?  Perhaps those few things are triggering weight gain.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:11am; Reply: 33
I typed a message then I lost it..

FROSTY.. I started by saying..change your name .. you are not frosty.. you had experienced some horror story already in every section of your life --  welcome to Geno.. I think all that you said.. every word spoke of stress.. unspoken stress.  no wonder you are who you are.. but not frosty.. sunshine, moonshine firewalker, anything but frosty ha-ha  ;D

ok next here is a fantastic link .. reg hormones.. But may not apply to either of us.. (I am too old)

http://www.teleconferenceinfo.net/Suzanne_Somers.html  click on it to hear ...

then again WONDER bread for your B is good for you as you're intestines have sensitive skin to roughage.. meat because its healthier than 'chicken'.. I wonder what you are eating when you gain weight.. oh its easy to do, but there is a reason.. I would keep questioning Seltzer bubbles as good or bad?  coffee??? you might need it to digest your food.. and what did you eat before.. ?  curious .. AND how did you determine to be a Gatherer?? what where the factors that determined you to be a gatherer??  (see even here we are adding stress by us being puzzled) stress everywhere.. do you get many chances to laugh ?? what is your sign?? Your story reads like B ... could it be?  its the Gatherer part we puzzle about.. man I do hope we are not making you seem unwelcome> just you are the black swan amongst us Turkeys.. ha-ha  :K)    
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:11pm; Reply: 34
Frosty keep your name, it fits your glowing face, Your the Rose between us Thorns, it interest me, that B's are close in some way, but yet food is quite different, but as a gatherer were the same.  That is Cool.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 4:29pm; Reply: 35
Does anyone want to try to list the veggies they eat in a day? It might help us boost the amount up to where it should be ! (more than most folks would ever eat in a day)

Yesterday: spinach, cilantro, watercress, zucchini, collards(for lunch), romaine salad, and artichoke at dinner.
Sounds pretty good? It's a start. :D
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 4:40pm; Reply: 36
today, so far, green beans, asparagas, and prego spaghetti sauce
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:00pm; Reply: 37
hey I had made a post and it dissapeard?? must be the lack of carbs??

I had green turnip greens for juice.. 3 oz of mud.. down the thach.. turkey mayo and eggwhites.. so far..

yes Frosty keep the name.. haha
Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:09pm; Reply: 38
i was sick this week and really have not eaten much all week. yesterday i hade chicken wings, green tea,a bottle of kombucha tea, and a bowl of rice all day. the day before was a head of romane and a peace of salmon all day. well when i say all day that was actuly windsday and i did not get out of bed untill 6;30pm. oh well, here it is 1:00 and i have once again relized i have not eaten yet. it's not that i don't eat breakfast, i just eat it latter than most people. after all i will go to work tonight and be up untill 2am. hearing that you would think i was skinny! LOL
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:09pm; Reply: 39
frosty
in reply to your question about gaining on getherer diet:

I'm going to have to take a closer look, but I believe we ate more beans as a family, and I know I ate more fruit. Plums, apple, pears, are easy to get here, but are now black dots. We were big on broccoil, and cucumber which are also black dots now. So I'm thinking I need to work on eating vegetables, because I'm not use to what I have and might be eating more items which are higher cal. Between the weather and time I bet I'm also not exercising as much. Since what I'm eating are new I'll take a closer look  at protion size. I'm glad you asked this question, making me think about what I'm doing. Eather way I feel better so will stay with it through the summer. I hope as I make these life changes my body will even out. I've learn that my system reponds slowly, so I will give it time to "think about it" I can go back to the BT diet or check out swami. Eather way I know the answer is here, and I'll find it. Here.
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:11pm; Reply: 40
The history of my screen name is, that's my 15 year old dogs name.  I have three but my oldest and I have an unbelievable connection.  She saved me from some very dark times in 1998.  So I honor her and her name by using it as my screen name.  Oddly though she is a hairless dog with a beautiful white main on her head, so, where did Frosty come from?  Heck if I know, probably from her white hair on her head.  I got her when she was two from a puppy mill and she had that name.  I wanted to name her Farrah or Barbie, but she didn't answer to either.  Frosty was her name and she wasn't going to answer to anything else.

OH and STRESS???  That is my middle name.  I worry and have terrible anxiety.  It has been a lot better lately, doing well for a good 2 months now... Then my husband gets deployed last monday and when his boots hit the dirt in Afghanistan, I will worry and become anxious again.  

What I was eating when I gained weight was junk.  I am not much of a fried food eater, but I use to LOVE candy.  I then started the BTD and was feeling really good, with no cravings to candy or junk, but no weight loss.  Once I cut rice, a few fruit items and milk, I started losing weight.

I arrived at Gatherer becase my upper leg is longer than my lower leg and I have an one index finger longer on one hand and on the other hand my ring finger is longer and I am gynic.

I am aquarius (yes I know they are odd)...  I laugh all the time... I am a joker and a prankster.

I love coffee, but don't drink it much anymore as it is a "non compliant" GTD food for me.  I never had a problem with it when I drank it on the B diet.  

I have added tomatoes to my diet and lemons, they seem to do very well with me.  On the BTD I couldn't eat tomatoes.

What is this with the WONDER bread?  I don't eat bread anymore, not even spelt.  Not that I can't do gluten, because I am fine with gluten.  The starch holds onto my weight, just not able to really lose weight with it.

Before I forget, I don't eat chicken.  I never was much of a chicken eater because I never felt very good after having it.  So the chicken that is in my house when it is here, is for my A type husband.  He eats quite a bit of it.  Now that he is gone, the only chicken that will be made if for my parents,... One is A and the other is AB.

This is all very interesting as I do feel like the black swan.  I am the only B here and an odd one to boot.

I have also done a very good job of hijacking this thread.  Sorry for that.
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:13pm; Reply: 41
Cucumbers are a black dot?  Wow how did I miss that one? :B  Good Grief!!!!  Well,.... Thankfully they are not something I eat often.  And now, I won't be eating them at all.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:15pm; Reply: 42
You know something else I thought was a clue the Neg factor.. but there are as many negs here as are pos.. + - interesting more interesting..  :X

Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:27pm; Reply: 43
I don't think anyone can hijack this site. I'm sure everyone will agree your most welcome anytime.
My Dad was in Nam, lives 1/4 mi. from us. He's doing very well for being in his 80's. but I remember the stress of those years. So I'll keep you both in my prayers.
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:37pm; Reply: 44
Thanks for the prayers Deb.  :K)

So glad your daddy is still with you and doing so well.
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 6:54pm; Reply: 45
:o thought I'd check some of the thing I'm eating, as well as supplements, first 4 ing. on my calcium are from corn. I don't do well on corn, almost as bad as wheat, I know this isn't what is making me gain weight, but corn will make me hungry since I take on each morning and at night. I also wonder what else I'm missing. Think I'll leave a tablet in kit and take a close look and make notes on whats in and how much. I'll even have my food scale there. look out world I'm on a mission. Next month I'll start ordering at the BT store.
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:06pm; Reply: 46
ahaa! my fish oil,triethyl citrate and ethylcellulose.....corn. :'( Ok I'll get over this.  ;D
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:30pm; Reply: 47
:)
Posted by: Sue O+, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:39pm; Reply: 48
Hi,

I'm also a gather which I concluded from doing the measurments in the genotype book.  Eventually I'd like to do the swami but haven't yet.  I'm pretty new to this way of eating and this forum.

My eating is pretty plain and boring but I don't really care.  My cravings have went away and I just don't want to eat that much anymore.  For now I don't care if I don't have the variety but I suspect that will change as I've only been eating this way a little over a month.   So for now lots of beef, fish and pinneaple and red peppers and peas and cottage cheese.  I feel great but I do need to expand my diet.  

Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:47pm; Reply: 49
spi welcome! try a variaty of herbs in odd things. most of them are nutral and there are alot of them out there.
ha! mom you just highlighted what i told that girl in the store about corn not being moderate any more becuse they put it in absolutly every thing! maybe when we go to the heath food store we should see if she has some suplements with out corn. natural coral cal for intance? it's saposed to be better absorbed than most other kinds.
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 8:22pm; Reply: 50
Jumped over to the site on ascubic and citris acid (corn) Lola has posted a site that has a Corn Allergen list. I got this the other day. A must read. I've asked her if she'd be so kind as to send it this way. It's two pages three colum!
Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 9:10pm; Reply: 51
why not post us a link? i have not figured out link here but if you go there and left click on the tab at the top that shows were you are and copy it then come back here and past it in the reply box it will make a link.
Posted by: Frosty, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 9:26pm; Reply: 52
Today I have had, mushrooms, red bell peppers, tomatoes and onions.

Welcome a board SPI good to have you.
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:12pm; Reply: 53
I tried the quote thing, have know idea where it is now. So I just wrote it out www.http://allergies,about.com/gi/.....g-corn-from-diet.php  
I bet you could leave off everything after the com and then find the location off the main site
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:15pm; Reply: 54
it should change color so you could click on but I'm not very good at this.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:44pm; Reply: 55
there are few tricks I know here are three..

to link (copy) to anything go to the item .. as in the addresse line.. then click Ctrl and A (highlight all)
then click Ctrl and C (copy) .. then go the where you wish to place the post and carry the item ..
then click Ctrl and V (view) ..

that might help .. typing is difficult when it come sto addresses.. this was the best advise I got a long time ago.. its been helpful over time..    
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:17am; Reply: 56
Quoted Text
made a post and it dissapeard?


how about some spyware or PC free lectin diet instead? :)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:41am; Reply: 57
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fish oil


this is a better choice, and right for your GT
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT2%2D5SYN
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:49am; Reply: 58
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I do need to expand my diet

GenoType recipe collection:

http://www.genotypediet.com/GTD_recipes.shtml
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:04am; Reply: 59
use highlight copy/ paste to add any link.....
Posted by: jayneeo, Sunday, March 21, 2010, 4:19pm; Reply: 60
veggie count!!!
hmmm, yesterday I had asparagus, sweet potato. (kinda slim...!) (had a fruit smoothie for lunch...gotta locate some papaya and gatherer stuff for those smoothies!)
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:12am; Reply: 61
I just saw this link to recepies.. foir gatherers..

http://www.genotypediet.com/csvsearch7x.pl?Stuff=GT2&search=&page=1  
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:41pm; Reply: 62
yesterday I ate swiss chard, tomatoes, spinach, onions, asparagus, green salad....pretty good veggie count.
Posted by: geminisue, Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:51pm; Reply: 63
today so far, veggies I had was celery, spinach, asparagas, onion, and prego
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 2:11am; Reply: 64
Me gatherer too.  Can't handle corn, so had to change my calcium/magnesium.  Be careful if you take magnesium citrate....corn.  Not to complicate things further, but MSG has many names too.  >:(

I eat pretty boring to other people.  One of my fav is ground turkey 2 to 1 w/ grass fed beef.  Minced onions, minced celery, paprika, cayenne, cilantro & sea salt made into a meatloaf.  My o daughter who refuses to follow the diet likes it too.  I told her she's young 21 & in about 20 years she will be back. ;)

I pretty much use turkey for any dishes calling for pork.  I even made my own version of a filipino local favorite using turkey. 8)
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 3:32am; Reply: 65
Quoted from kauaian

I eat pretty boring to other people.  One of my fav is ground turkey 2 to 1 w/ grass fed beef.  Minced onions, minced celery, paprika, cayenne, cilantro & sea salt made into a meatloaf.  


This sounds far from boring!  In fact, it sounds so good, I'm going to pass on the recipe to my Gatherer daughter (another B Gatherer, like Frosty ;) )
Posted by: healthy4, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 1:43pm; Reply: 66
citris acid (corn) I had no idea this was corn!!! OMG I could not figure out why each time i ate this yummy hummus I found in the store my knees would ache after...it contains citric acid(haha I thought it was vit c!!! lol) no wonder corn makes me ache....thank you so much for the great info
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 1:58pm; Reply: 67
citris acid (corn) I had no idea this was corn!!! OMG
  I did not know that either- made the same assumption of vit C.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just can not buy anything processed ... when will we get the message????
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 4:46pm; Reply: 68
yeah, healthy4, and also chickpeas are not for gatherers....if your hummus was made with those. which it usually is, but you can make your own with bl. or cannellini beans, plus evoo and tahini, lemon, etc.
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 4:49pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from Lola


this is a better choice, and right for your GT
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT2%2D5SYN

Lola, you got me thinking...I used to take CLA....now I am trying to take high dose FO but do not digest it well.....hmmm, I really want to get those EPA's up, but maybe I should go back to the CLA.
but what does it do for the omega3's everyone raves about?

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:11pm; Reply: 70
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    * Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) CLA reduces fat and preserves muscle tissue. According to the research project manager, an average reduction of six pounds of body fat was found in the group that took CLA, compared to a placebo group. CLA has been shown to decrease abdominal fat and lowers insulin resistance. CLA also enhances the immune system -- many studies have shown that CLA seems to possess sginificant cancer preventive effects.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:39pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from jayneeo

Lola, you got me thinking...I used to take CLA....now I am trying to take high dose FO but do not digest it well.....hmmm, I really want to get those EPA's up, but maybe I should go back to the CLA.
but what does it do for the omega3's everyone raves about?



You could always add in some salmon oil capsules and flax oil in addition to the CLA.  Or try and eat some fatty fish every day, such as wild salmon or sardines.  :-)
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:45pm; Reply: 72
Lola on the CAL do you know if that 60 tabs is enough for 2 people for one month (1a day) or just One person (2 a day) I want to order enough for one month for 2 people
Posted by: Frosty, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:56pm; Reply: 73
Quoted from Victoria


This sounds far from boring!  In fact, it sounds so good, I'm going to pass on the recipe to my Gatherer daughter (another B Gatherer, like Frosty ;) )


Yay hooray!!!! (dance)(dance) Someone like me!  
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 6:50pm; Reply: 74
kauaian, Not boring sounds great! How fine are the onion chopped? Is that what binds the loaf together?
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 7:52pm; Reply: 75
Victoria, a sensible approach! ;) Thanks.
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 8:01pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from deblynn3
kauaian, Not boring sounds great! How fine are the onion chopped? Is that what binds the loaf together?


Oh I forgot to add 1 egg. :B, I also sometimes add cooked millet to lighten it up a bit.  The loaf will be dense otherwise, but I like it that way.  Me meat eater. ;D
I often use my mini chopper & then it's fine, but hand chopping is great I LOVE onions & eat it daily.  

I hope I didn't forget to mention the minced garlic too. ::)  If you like your veges softer, saute it first in olive oil, cool & then mix into meat.  I like mine crunchy so it's put in from the start.

I eat this several times a week, it can be frozen too.
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 8:11pm; Reply: 77
Has anyone else tried umeboshi vinegar?  I bought a bottle online a few months ago, & I absolutely LOVE it.  Since I can't have soy, I use it instead of soy sauce.  How do you eat sardines?  Straight out of the can?  With anything on them?  I would like to eat more but kinda find them boring.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 8:15pm; Reply: 78
Ume vinegar is spectacular, a very complex and satisfying flavor. . wish I could still eat it.   ::)

My favorite way to eat canned fish, both sardines and salmon, is to mix with finely chopped celery and a little drizzle of extra virgin olive oil.  I also add in a little Kim Chi or raw cultured Sauerkraut, but that's not for all genotypes.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 1:13am; Reply: 79
Thanks Kauaian I'm going to try your meat loaf tomorrow for dinner, sounds so good. I don't know what ume boshi is think vinegar is an avoid for gatherer, we already have a lot of acid in our systems. But I do miss my vinegar, one of the few things I do miss.
today I had a success of sorts. I made a stir fry like I use to only better. here's my story: yesterday I over cooked some beans (adzuki, but think any bean type will do) Since they where to watery and mushy I put in ice box. today to make the sauce for my stir fry, without wheat, or corn starch I used the jelled bean juice and chia seeds, with my usual spices, & vegetables.  I'm thinking I could use this with meat juices to make my own gravies.  Anyone out there have anyother ideas
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 2:02am; Reply: 80
Quoted from deblynn3
I don't know what ume boshi is think vinegar is an avoid for gatherer, we already have a lot of acid in our systems. But I do miss my vinegar, one of the few things I do miss.


Umeboshi Plum Vinegar is a Superfood for Gatherers.  It's really nothing like regular vinegar.  It's closer to the brine left from fermenting veggies, but it's the ume plum that is fermented.  It's very salty with a complex flavor that is both salty and tart.  It is used instead of salt, much as you would use soy sauce, but after the food is already cooked since it is rich in enzymes.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 2:18am; Reply: 81
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Anyone out there have anyother ideas


I use a mix of beans and grains and seeds to make a foccacia bread .....flat bread, adding an egg or two.....or the chia and linseeds if not using egg.
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 2:29am; Reply: 82
Also, thanks Lola, for the quote on CLA...sounds impressive. (I've used it before but just stopped for some unknown reason...)
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 2:36am; Reply: 83
Victoria thinks had no idea, is there a brand name I should look for. I'll check at out HF store, but might have to get online. I want to try this, sounds like something we would use often. i bet my Hunter friend would too. She loves salt, sounds like it would be better for her.

Lola how much chia for an egg. I raise chickens so usually am egg rich, but in the winter I could use this info. (I just can't buy store eggs)
Posted by: BCgal, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 2:57am; Reply: 84
When I first found out I could have umeboshi vinegar I couldn't find it in any of the Health Food Stores in my city, so when I was down visiting my mother in Victoria I found it and bought up 6 bottles to take home with me. The brand is EDEN SELECTED, and it's called UME PLUM VINEGAR.  But alas, when I did my SWAMI it went to a black dot item for me.  I recently measured a girlfriend and she's a Gatherer, so I gave her a bottle.  I was using it on my salads with olive oil.  Now it's back to my lemon & oil.
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 3:19am; Reply: 85
the umeboshi plum vinegar is so salty, measure by the tiny spoonful.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 3:20am; Reply: 86
Thanks, for the info BCgal. I haven't done swami but would like to later this summer. If my HF store has it I'll get some my DH will use it if turns out I can't at least till I can get him tested.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 3:22am; Reply: 87
I'll remember that jayneeo!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:32am; Reply: 88
Quoted Text
How do you eat sardines?  Straight out of the can?  With anything on them?  I would like to eat more but kinda find them boring.


I add my fermented veggies and onions to make a paste


linseed for bread, I d subs an egg for about a Tbsp of ground linseed in the recipe......but I do use egg :)fyi
Posted by: battle dwarf, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 7:01am; Reply: 89
it must be a japanesse company becuse umme is japanese for plum. they LOVE plums over there, and do all kinds of stuff with them.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 12:54pm; Reply: 90
It's not just made by one "Japenese company"; it's a traditional Japenese food! Eden is one brand that  bottles it and makes it available in the USA, and it's certified kosher. There may be other brands available that aren't kosher, but I haven't looked for them. I absolutely love that stuff- it's a great substitute for tamari when I want that "Asian flavor" in my food. I still use tiny amounts of tamari (a black dot on my SWAMI), mostly in cooking for the whole family (when I use tamari AND ume vinegar) but I sprinkle ume vinegar liberally on my eggs in the mornings, on my portion of basmati rice with beef stir fry, etc.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 5:10pm; Reply: 91
I love it also, ruthiegirl!  It became a black dot for me as a Nomad, but maybe it will hop back up on the charts when I finally finish my Swami.   ;)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 7:14pm; Reply: 92
worth making our own fermented plums with sea salt exclusively!!! :)
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 10:49pm; Reply: 93
Lola, plums are an avoid for Gatherers, so does the fermention change that and is this the same as the umeboshi vinegar you buy. Would I use fine sea salt. I can get plums (darker the better?)

Guess what I'm asking will this homemade have the enzymes in it. Do the enzymes all come from the plums? Fermention is new to me, so far, I've not like brim fermention.

Ok I love wine, (Yeast) my DH makes our wine, 3 5gal, jug of elderberry going now. No flu here ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 11:30pm; Reply: 94
I'm pretty sure the Umeboshi Plum is not the same variety as what we are accustomed to eating.
Posted by: kauaian, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 1:32am; Reply: 95
Quoted from Lola
worth making our own fermented plums with sea salt exclusively!!! :)


The brand I bought comes from Japan, they use sea salt & the trees are grown pesticide free for many, many years. :)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:07am; Reply: 96
I ferment anything beneficial on my list, avoids I do not bother with
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:18am; Reply: 97
Lola,
What kind of containers do you use for your fermented vegetables?  And what type of covering/lid do you use?

I'd love to hear some more detail on how you do this magic.  (ok)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:55am; Reply: 98
stainless steel and use a cloth to cover while fermenting 3 or 4 days......make sure to move the veggies at least once a day, then I put the lid on and refrigerate.
Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 6:44pm; Reply: 99
Ok, so not a good idea to use plum that I can get here. I'm a gatherer plums are an avoid. That what got me about the "umeboshi plum, vinegar" since vinegar is out as well. I understand now that it's not a vinegar, wonder what make the plum different.  Kauaian could you give me that brand name again?  please
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 7:16pm; Reply: 100
it's a salted plum.....(that's why its so salty)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 7:21pm; Reply: 101
hey, it s not either or......it s enjoy either one :)

fermenting enhances the enzymes......but I enjoy my food using any cooking method as well......this is not a straight jacket approach!
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 7:37pm; Reply: 102
Umeboshi are pickled ume fruits common in Japan. Ume (Prunus mume) is a species of fruit-bearing tree in the genus Prunus, which is often called a plum but is actually more closely related to the apricot.

Umeboshi are traditionally made by harvesting ume fruit when they ripen around June and packing them in barrels with salt. A weight is placed on top and the fruit gradually exude juices, which accumulate at the bottom of the barrel as the fruit ferments. This salty, sour liquid is marketed as umezu (often translated as "ume vinegar"), although it is not a true vinegar.

~ from Wikipedia
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 7:51pm; Reply: 103
Lola, thanks for the recipe directions on the fermenting process.  Which vegetables have you successfully fermented?
Posted by: kauaian, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 8:30pm; Reply: 104
Quoted from deblynn3
Ok, so not a good idea to use plum that I can get here. I'm a gatherer plums are an avoid. That what got me about the "umeboshi plum, vinegar" since vinegar is out as well. I understand now that it's not a vinegar, wonder what make the plum different.  Kauaian could you give me that brand name again?  please


http://www.kushistore.com/acatalog/The_Kushi_Store_Umeboshi_Plum_Products_17.html

This is where I got mine.
Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 8:37pm; Reply: 105
Thanks Kauaian I put the site in my favorites. Couldn't get meatloaf made yesterday, waited to long to set Hamburger out. so will do tonight.  Thinks again deb
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 8:49pm; Reply: 106
Just make sure you are able to read the ingredient list in whichever brand you buy.  Some of the ones packaged in Japan have a sugar and food dye in them.

I use the Eden brand, from my local health food store.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, March 25, 2010, 11:10pm; Reply: 107
That's the brand I use too.
Posted by: kauaian, Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:16am; Reply: 108
I was just in my local HFS & saw that brand.  The one I order has the same ingredients so when I run out, I'll buy that brand & save in the shipping.  I did get a a large bottle though so should last a very long time.
Posted by: kauaian, Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:21am; Reply: 109
Quoted from deblynn3
Thanks Kauaian I put the site in my favorites. Couldn't get meatloaf made yesterday, waited to long to set Hamburger out. so will do tonight.  Thinks again deb


Hey Deb,
I just clicked on the link I sent you earlier & noticed it listed only the plums.  You have to type in the search umeboshi vinegar & you will see the one I bought.  I got the 32oz size & that should last me a long time.  I did see the Eden brand in my local health food store so I can get it there & save on the shipping.  I do love the one from Kushi so I hope it tastes the same.  The ingredients are the same, no dyes or sugar.

Also, because of the large sized bottle I had to get a dispenser like the ones you get for soy sauce, I found a 2 pack @ Wal Mart.  :)
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 26, 2010, 2:03am; Reply: 110
thanks Kauaian I'll explore the site, I've learned so much, I'm going to get a divided notebook to kind of organize everything. Our meatloaf was delish  ;D WH and I both liked it, so will be added to my Gatherer cookbook. I've been making my own tinctures for the past couple of years I'm sure I can find a bottle somewhere. My Dad and WH like hot sauce those bottles are great. We do have a Wal-Mart about 15miles from here I'll be able to find something.
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 26, 2010, 2:23am; Reply: 111
I have a question about how to do the protocols, not sure which thread, but since I'm a gatherer here goes. In the encyclopedia are you to take all the items listed or just choose just one. I took it you were to take all. In The Geno book under supplement guide I choose just one item something in the wording. Am I doing it right. WH wanted to know why he was getting so many caps. (sinus health) he took everyday for 4weeks now i'm wondering if I over did it.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, March 26, 2010, 3:00am; Reply: 112
on the use of protocols
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php?blog=27&s=use%20of%20protocols
Posted by: deblynn3, Friday, March 26, 2010, 12:42pm; Reply: 113
Thanks, Lola  

so glad you are so very patient with us. I'll go back and reread. so many new things to remember and learn.
Posted by: jayneeo, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 4:52pm; Reply: 114
well, gatherers, I am pleased to say that I have budged my weight just a bit recently! It certainly takes vigilance, as Peppermint Twist can attest. So...I have just budged the scale down about 3 lbs, but my body gave those three pounds up so grudgingly I consider it a victory.....and now I proclaim myself on the march downward!
I found that what makes the difference is not what I eat...I already eat all the right things....but it is eating less. (newsflash, huh? ::) )
Yet I have turned more closely to my swami to help and it has helped!
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, March 28, 2010, 2:39am; Reply: 115
Congratulations, Jayneeo, and good for you (for being persistent)!  (hehe)
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 8:58pm; Reply: 116
;D....
well let's keep this thread active!
What new foods have any of you (us) tried?
I tried mangosteen juice (with a few other fruits, but mostly mangosteen)....it was delicious! its a diamond on my swami.
(The weather keeps changing here! wow, now its sunny! :o)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:20pm; Reply: 117
by Jayneeo....    ....... I found that what makes the difference is not what I eat...I already eat all the right things....but it is eating less. (newsflash, huh?  )

I did the same... but .. I did it by eating (only) 2oz of turkey and veggies.. 1 egg instead of 2 and veggies.. I have done it a few days.. and surprisingly I am not starving.. my scale only budged less than half a pound.. but I am an my way down.. and I have HOPE..

The big thing I think is that I also STOPPED coffee.. !.. and now I drink black tea..  seems to be ok.. I finally realized that its the ACID that makes me need to eat.. so no coffee .(GAVE UP CAFFEINE FEBR 1-10 so no issue with headache had it then)  so . sleepy time 'turkey' and more peace in the belly.. for a snack I have still a corner of melted choc.. and at night a lick or two on a reg sugar cherry candy and then I spit it out.. naturally compliant veg..
Posted by: battle dwarf, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 7:16am; Reply: 118
wonder were i am going wrong. i read what other people eat and mine seems like nothing in comparasen. i am almost 100% compliant at this point. making most of my own food and not eating alot of anything. and yet i put on a skirt today that used to just fit with out falling off anf it just fit enouph to wear comfortably. it just makes me want to cry.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:37am; Reply: 119
You said : wonder were I am going wrong

The answer is Nothing..We are gatherer... so ONE of the issues I KNOW about is that: the body adjusts to every thing FAST>>

when I started to eat onions I used to run to the bathroom.. in a few days it stopped, when I first gave up all grains and all other non beneficials.. I lost the first 20 pounds without trying, but then it stopped, as I am more and more compliant I have some success in loosing a little but no where near the results of someone new here.. the loss is much smaller, but the HEALTH gets BIGGER and that is where I want to be, need to be, and aim to be.

I find that as the many years went by I have never strayed from not wanting health over weight.. but AGE has something to do with it also.. AGE for woman is a struggle.. when we are still having all our hormones we have muscles, later they turn to mush.  When we are 50 we start having sleep issues and that makes us eat just a smidgen more trying to stay awake in the day time / so the battle is on.  then we get to be 60 and we move less, we start to slow down, make our stride shorter and don't stand and sit as tall.

by the time I am 65 I FEEL that I also need to eat 50% of what I ate only a few years ago in terms of amounts.. but with BTD I at least keep the quality.  And finally here as Gatherers we are prone to water retention and that just blows all visible efforts to the wind..

by the time we are 90 we will eat very little either that or we have to take up tennis..  :D
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 12:37pm; Reply: 120
BD - age 27 hormones- water retention?
I think I remarked that I also put on weight after going on Gatherer diet. I'm still eating diamonds but have cut down on the how much per-serving, I was getting comfortable, with the nuts and seeds. It takes very little to make a serving. Until the garden comes out our vegetables are kind of limited here.  So maybe you need to recheck and make sure of your portion size or maybe there are some hidden extras in a newer food you hadn't noticed. If you want to check anything come get my food scale for a little bit.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 1:35pm; Reply: 121
I have water retention since I was a teen.. I suffered from wheat /grains. Today I am still getting it but am able to control it with Ondamed.. used to take pills that where not good for my kidneys.. walking and exercising all did not make much of a difference.. YET I THINK happy HORMONES where a major improvement for a time.. wish I could get hem back..

I think for me not much changed after Gatherer.. but I changed to turkey more than meat and I think I see a big difference to my attitude towards food.  My stomach grumbles much less, I am calmer?? and now drinking tea instead of decaf.. I think is a big plus.. I seem to be energized as with caffeine but not drive 5 miles faster as I used to do.. and again my stomach seems to be happier.. asking for less food in between..

IT was all a 'trip' to get from point a to z and BTD is my salvation no matter what Beneficials I eat.. ON BTD GENO I certainly am suffering much less and need so few in drugs that big pharma all can go bankrupt on what they get from me.. that is THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Monsanto's" revenge - get healthy with BTD and shop at NAP. e1 :D.    
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 3:30pm; Reply: 122
Good one, Goldie! (Monsanto's revenge!)
Well, Battledwarf, we're all in this together! As gatherers, we need to be very careful with portions, and move, move, move. (I'm off to Nia!....a dance class that I love)
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 4:40pm; Reply: 123
en estos lados tambien!
como Cuernavaca es considerado un centro vacacional, ya te imaginaras como esta!!! :-/

creo que tu mejor parametro en saber si CULTIVOS LACTICOS, son permitidos, ya que no sabemos que ocupen en su proceso de origen, es tu propio organismo.....

si sientes distencion o inflamacion al ingerirlos y tal, evitalos, asi de facil.
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:08pm; Reply: 124
OK NOW I HAVE another question for Diabetes ll .. and what food??

should one eat more veggies which have carbs or more Protein??


the post was going to end here.. but then... my mind cought up with me


and I just did the quick test on

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

and I am more O BTD than Gatherer!!!!!! so what am I to think - in the end I am going on the BTD diabetes book.again???? I read it aging and think I have to amend my food to be 'that' book compliant..   ??)

Just checked!!!!! for a O Nonie with (propensity to diabetes which I intend to lick in time here are my choices:  :D


MEAT: Back to Beef! nice..  

FISH: I dont' look at.

TURKEY: is just a NEUTRAL in DIABETES book!!!!!!!!!!!! darn it.. I am tripping over me every which way..

EGGS: the same Neutral not even beneficial - forget about super.. darn it...

OILS:  What is Borage super B .. just talking I can look it up..
-Olive is only beneficial not super

NUTS:  Filberts are super so are also Flax and Walnut, Pumpkin is beneficial.. while Almonds (I KNEW IT ) are avoid for O Nonie's!

BEANS: Green, Fava, Northern = SuperBenef.  
-Adzuki, and black-eyed peas= Benef.. Page 50 and 53 are in conflict.. re green beans??

GRAINS: no super B but Essene bread is Benef.. is it not dry and tasteless no sugar??  Ezekiel is only once in a while..page 51 and 52 are confusing about Essena.. I don't like it anyway.. so no biggie.

VEGIES:  Beet greens, Broccoli, Chicory, Collard, Escarole, Kale, Mitake, Seaweed, Spinach, Swiss chard all Super B..    
-Artichoke, Carrots, Dandelion ! Horse radish, Kohlrabi, Romaine, many mushrooms I don't eat, Okra Onion Pumpkin Turnip Fiddle head, Garlic are all Benef.  I like some of these better than Gatherer..

FRUIT: Blueberry, Pineapple, Plum, Prune are Super..
-Banana, Cherry, Figs, Guava, Mango, nonies also Avocado and Prickly Pear and Pomegranate, are Benef.. nice I like all.. (but I will stay away from banana and not over due it.. high glycimic..)

SPICES:  Fenugreek, Super B...  
-Carob, Ginger Horse radish, Parsley, Cayenne Pepper, Sea weed and nonies Basil, Bay leave, and Yeast brewers and bakers, Oregano, Saffron, Tarragon  are Benef..    
-nonies Turmeric moved to seldom neut. as is Choc!!!!! )  
-Cinnamon, Mayo and Apple cider vinegar, Stevia -I never liked  = 100% AVOID!

HERBAL TEAS: Green, Dandelion ( drink in juice form) Fenugreek tea?? I wonder what it tastes like? Ginger I like.. all Super B...
-Chickweed, Hops, Linden, Mulberry, Peppermint, Rosehip I like lots Vit C, Seltzer and club soda Sarsaparilla, Slippery Elm all Benef...  

Sups:   if I read it right ===== 13 Sups form NAP.. no way.. but maybe that is the way to LICK DIABETES??

DOES THAT MEAN I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD?? and all of you dear friends???   no way -- but I do have on inkling that I might move over.. and start a Diabetes ll thread.. anyone have on opinion???

This thread is my new shopping list!
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:36pm; Reply: 125
time for a swami! :)

also check this sup for water retention
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 7:12pm; Reply: 126
LOLA THANKS for both and all other advice' .. will look into it..

BUT I really do think I am right 'changing' again.. the foods are so natural..

I wish to hear from GeminiSue.. see what she says to the self discovery above..

I struggled for a year only to make a discovery in one of your threads.. thanks  :K)

  
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 7:23pm; Reply: 127
Quoted from Goldie
I have water retention since I was a teen.. I suffered from wheat /grains. Today I am still getting it but am able to control it with Ondamed.. used to take pills that where not good for my kidneys.. walking and exercising all did not make much of a difference.. YET I THINK happy HORMONES where a major improvement for a time.. wish I could get hem back..

I think for me not much changed after Gatherer.. but I changed to turkey more than meat and I think I see a big difference to my attitude towards food.  My stomach grumbles much less, I am calmer?? and now drinking tea instead of decaf.. I think is a big plus.. I seem to be energized as with caffeine but not drive 5 miles faster as I used to do.. and again my stomach seems to be happier.. asking for less food in between..

IT was all a 'trip' to get from point a to z and BTD is my salvation no matter what Beneficials I eat.. ON BTD GENO I certainly am suffering much less and need so few in drugs that big pharma all can go bankrupt on what they get from me.. that is THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Monsanto's" revenge - get healthy with BTD and shop at NAP. e1 :D.    


(clap)
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:22pm; Reply: 128
My swami gave me a food list similar to yours, interesting?
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:40pm; Reply: 129
O .. age and gatherer all makes us cousins.. are you diabetic??   interesting..

I just learned that most of the veg i bought yesterday where only neutral .. ok but I could improve on that.. then more fruit is better for getting rid of water retention..  

The loooong way around was great,, I learned a lot from all..

does your Swami advise on supps?? I would like to know just in general..  
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 1, 2010, 3:31am; Reply: 130
Quoted Text
more fruit is better for getting rid of water retention..  


that doesn t apply to me.....individuality is important
Posted by: Raquel, Thursday, April 1, 2010, 3:25pm; Reply: 131
ok... ;)

Posted by: Goldie, Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:21am; Reply: 132
I went shopping for my new food list and found surprisingly few items in the shop, so now I have to expand and look a little further from home which might be a good thing as I might finally shop in a store that has more local & organic stuff.

After last night's escapade into to avoid land, I am done with going over to the dark side.. my reward will  be the compliant foods - surprisingly quite a intro to some new stuff I never really ate before.

as for Gatherers .. is there a way we particularly use to deal with change?? or with self denial or rewards?? is there a COMMON THREAD ON HOW TO COPE?

  
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, April 2, 2010, 3:44pm; Reply: 133
This is it! We're creating it as we go! Here's an example:
my DH and I have an anniversary coming up and we picked a restaurant.........(one with the to-die-for Rueben sandwich...) and then I read your confession.....! Zapped me out of my stupor and I told DH we are picking another restaurant, very fancy, that has a fish dish I will have instead!!! :D
So, thanks!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 2, 2010, 7:51pm; Reply: 134
great choice!
Posted by: jayneeo, Friday, April 2, 2010, 8:06pm; Reply: 135
;)
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, April 2, 2010, 8:28pm; Reply: 136
no deaf ears here..  :) :D hapy celebration and feeling good after words too..
Posted by: geminisue, Friday, April 2, 2010, 10:53pm; Reply: 137
Just read your thread about taking the test, and deciding whether to change to diabetes BTD or stay Gatherer.  I would follow what the test reveals, for you unless you decided to do swami, than I would say that is your personal diet, and it might be a bit of both put together, according to your answers.  Why don't you try diabetes btd for three weeks and see what happens, to your glucose count, and your weight and then decide or ask questions here or give me a call.  
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:00pm; Reply: 138
Thanks Geminisue.. I am doing BTD diabetes .. I took another look at the foods in that book and even the protocols.. verrrrry interesting.. I think it reveals  shortcomings in my previous life interpretaions of how much I might be affected by 'diabetes'

I missed you .. where where you??
.. your tel conversation made a big difference to me.. thanks.  Please keep my number and ring only  - no need to leave a message I will see that you called.. and I will return the call.. again thanks..  :) happy easter too  :)

I would like to see what you think about my post in the Hypoglycemiv thread..   its info is connected to the diab book ..  
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, April 3, 2010, 12:16am; Reply: 139
Sorry, I haven't posted much due to having a headache in the back of my head for three days, gone one day, came back for one day, then I seemed okay, thought great I'm good now, so what happens, I get severe pains in the upper right leg, so severe, I had to get my cane out, first time in years, (thought I twisted wrong, but not sure, today from walking with the cane yesterday, my right upper arms is hurting real bad like right in the middle of the upper arms.  I don't know what is happening to me, guess I'm feeling my age, right now.  

Food is going great, I am losing some weight, I am drinking enough water, so all is good in that department.  Thanks for asking.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, April 3, 2010, 12:49am; Reply: 140
Geminisue.. could the pain be neuropathy?? I don't know about the headache,, but the leg?   That can really hurt, but a cane would only tax other areas.. the middle of the arm could be like a triggerpoint coming from up in the shoulders neck area..  I was stunned by DR D' s fullness of the advice in the Diabetes book.. he adresses neuropathy so clearly but I did not recognize it before.in the sups he proposes .. . I needed to go all around the mullberry bush only to come back..

I hope you will feel better.. is cayenne on your list.. could it help?  :)  
Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, April 3, 2010, 7:19am; Reply: 141
back of the head is usly one of toe couses. neck strain or sinuse. as it comes and goes i would sugest an antihystamene next time it hits.
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, April 3, 2010, 2:38pm; Reply: 142
It was the first time I ever had it, and I'm almost 65- what is toe couses? Is it associated the the pain in the back of the head?  Thanks battle dwarf

I don't think it is neuropathy, as it is in the groin/hip area, and if I touch the bone on the side I could run my finger up and down where the pain is.
When I feel neuropathy, it is usually more of a numbing sensation with a pain and seems just under the skin, not associated with the bones, that I can tell, but I am just beginning it, and am able to wiggle the toes and get rid of the numbness, and message it to get rid of the discomfort, it is something I can deal with.

Thanks for the ideas, after resting for many hours last night, this morning it is not quite as severe, but definitely still there, its like I move my left leg forward, then bring my right leg along to meet it.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, April 3, 2010, 3:00pm; Reply: 143
I think she meant to say 'two things'..neck or sinus...

  I think from what you describe you did soemthing to your lawer back where th hollow is in backk .. if rest helps then rest it.. take your sup's.b ..]

nero-pathy is only numbness After the damage is done.. pathy .. not so good..  

but you describe more a back issue.. for now.. eat cayenne pepper?  

Did you read my story about what I think about getting diabetes on

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1270231249/

I would love to hear what you say..
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:48pm; Reply: 144
:D  I wonder how many Gatherers here have diabetes in their family history?? ??)
Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, April 4, 2010, 10:01pm; Reply: 145
My older brother was diabetic, as is my half sister.  My dad is diabetic and his father was too.  I have strong leanings toward it myself and am really trying with my diet and supplements to not let it go any further.
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, April 5, 2010, 12:44am; Reply: 146
Yeah, we have it in our family history.....that's a strong possibility for gatherers. :-/
I will read your story, Goldie....
Posted by: battle dwarf, Monday, April 5, 2010, 3:59am; Reply: 147
yeah that is want i meant. LOL i apologize for my spelling. some days are worse than others. only one diabetic in our family and i think it was a trama induced injury while the subject was in their latter teens. it is usuly hyperglycemia we have to wacht for.
Posted by: geminisue, Monday, April 5, 2010, 2:50pm; Reply: 148
It was hyper at a younger age, then things changes as one ages, if they don't learn to eat right, soon enough.  Battle Dwarf, you should be fine, your here, and eating good.
Posted by: jayneeo, Monday, April 5, 2010, 7:51pm; Reply: 149
um...diabetes is not a trauma induced injury....but maybe I misunderstood.
Posted by: deblynn3, Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:09pm; Reply: 150
BD 's grandmother, (my mom) was kicked by a mule in the area of her pancreas, this is want her sister thinks. But she was exposed to TB as a teen,which can settle anywhere in the body. all anyone knows for sure is that her pancreas just stopped working shortly after that.  As a result by the age of 14 she was a type 1 diabete She was an type A. blood  and the only person we know of that has ever had diabetes in her family and non of us are diabete. Ofcourse we've always eaten like diabete because that's how mama cooked and you ate what she cooked ;D  
Posted by: battle dwarf, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:15am; Reply: 151
you also get alot of type 2 diabetis after major sergeries(tramas)
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 11:55am; Reply: 152
DEBLYNN 3  """""" Of course we've always eaten like diabete because that's how mama cooked and you ate what she cooked   """""" ... NOW MY QUESTION -- do you see any signs of getting diabetes in old age?  

NOW THAT is why I was aking.. in the THREAD on being hypoglycemic --- I answered that I think we could PREVENT diabetes in us (gatherers) if we KNEW that we ought to look at eating not only for our blood type.. but for the propensity of developing what our GRANDPARTENTS have... (parents are younger so they dont have clear signs YET) ..    ...

THE diabetes book food list for O's is soo different from what I ever ate before .. that I have to learn to cook and to eat .. what is on the list.. THAT showes me - THAT what I ate for 66 years - never ever supported what I needed to stay healthy????  
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 1:03pm; Reply: 153
Goldie
no, I really haven't, mama keep her blood sugar under control. (she was lucky, not everyone can do that) and has been no signs on diabetes in her children or any grandchilden.
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 1:24pm; Reply: 154
I don't have the diabete book. I do know that the Doc. always complained that mama didn't eat enough protein. She ate lots of vegetables and fruit. She was an A type blood and we now know that is what they should eat. But daddy being an O as well as all three children. She did have lean meat. Looking back only thing we ate alot of not on our list today were the white potatos, and pork. But we ate mostly beef for meat. We ate alot of rice (white, we're talking 1960s here) She loved rice. dinner 1-protein, 1- green vegetable, 1-starch. and bread if you wanted. Peas, corn, rice, potatos, pasta were all counted as a starch.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 2:13pm; Reply: 155
I think you are 'testing' the point Dr D makes with this generational thing.. either you get it .. or you don't.. or you can prevent it if you know why and how.. --- NOW , you don't have diabetes in your family as your mom was injured.. but the benefits might be coming down in your foods.. --- and just maybe, all the O's in your Family are Hunters???? skinny and long??

Its the Gatherer part making me guess at this.. short legs round figure and Gatherer..

I admire your mom for he ability- I am never going to be able to do that.. I try I fail -I try and I do better-  and then I go back to the book and LEARN>>>  and try again...

and one more thing about moms doctor.. HE was ahead of his time.. smart..  :)
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 2:18pm; Reply: 156
All my family are gatherer, I don't see any long legs, but even daddy's side are geno strong, my dad is in his 80 most think he's in his 60s. He still works the land. help put BD steel up on her 2 story roof etc, etc. His mother lived to be 98. Her main health was osteoarthritis, which is why I started the BT diet. Only alot of my problems where with wheat.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 2:36pm; Reply: 157
INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks...  :)
Posted by: jayneeo, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 4:26pm; Reply: 158
debblyn and BD...your family musta been doing something right! (food sounds pretty good...)
more power to ya!! ;D
Posted by: deblynn3, Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 7:10pm; Reply: 159
Sorry I had to run off, I hope any of this  info helps Goldie. Thought you might want to know that I don't know what the mix of blood types are in family. My guess is my mom's dad was A, and her mother may  have been an O. I never met her she died in the early 50s menignitis.Both my dad's parents likely O. His mom was native American Indian. Father German. I'm hoping to do swami but will have a hard time on family history.
Posted by: 6781 (Guest), Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:54pm; Reply: 160
Hello!
I´m portuguese female, O+, Non secretor, and Gatherer too.
I would like to know if Goji berries are beneficial for us?
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 15, 2010, 10:01pm; Reply: 161
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

Welcome!

use the search feature and or The most recent rating of a food can be found using typebase:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 15, 2010, 10:06pm; Reply: 162
they have been tested for swami
http://www.dadamo.com/SWAMI%20GenoType%20__%20Jane%20Public.pdf
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, April 16, 2010, 2:10pm; Reply: 163

Hi Cristina! Welcome! My personal SWAMI (computerized software that combines BTD and GTD for my personal needs) lists goji berries as neutral, but I don't know what their status is for Gatherers in general. If they're not listed anywhere in the GTD book, then you can assume they're neutral.

There's definitely diabetes in my family. My maternal grandfather died of it (alternatively, you can say he died of depression when he stopped taking care of himself and let his diabetes get out of control.) My mother currently has diabetes. She was on glucophage for a while, but is currently controlling her blood sugars through diet. I had gestational diabetes when I was pg with my son, so I know I'm prone to blood sugar issues (and really, the only times my blood sugar was out of control during the pg was when I took those stupid GTTs. I ate a high protein, moderate-carb diet while pg because I felt good when I ate that way.)
Posted by: battle dwarf, Saturday, April 17, 2010, 4:37pm; Reply: 164
you can get it though the site. so to the top of the page, it is under products.
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, April 19, 2010, 6:45pm; Reply: 165
The train wrecks is what started DrD down this path.. and the fact that he was A does not even surprise me.. its the best way to find out why O's are so different..


BUT THE prevention factors given in GENO is incredible.. even though I have gone back to the 'conditions book diet lists.. '  I still learned so much on how to prevent diabetes or at least know why I have it, got it, have it or how to deal with it ;D, and how to prevent it in young people..   8)
Posted by: andonitxo, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:09pm; Reply: 166
Hey:

This is Andoni, from the Basque Country (Spain-Europe), and I'm also a gatherer (O+).

Just wanted to ask you for some help:
1.Can we afford cottage cheese, or it's too fatty for us?
2.Why is kefir, for example, prohibited? Don't understand, because you could fermet it with skimmed milk and eat the protein part.

Thanks! I did my contribution with my garlic cream some months ago. I hope many people enjoyed it.

Talk back.
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 4:36pm; Reply: 167
Can you get low-fat cottage cheese where you live?  It is an option in the USA. . also fat-free for those who want it.

Kefir has a lot of whey.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 4:59pm; Reply: 168
Talk back to you! :)

get a swami......you might get all your favorites back and again, you might not....

but at least it will be just right for you

about the why this is good and that ain t and so on and so forth.....
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-nonnie/m-1205857140/s-all/#num12
try making sense of this, or simply trust Dr D s expertise,in
biochemistry which is amazingly and beautifully complicated
I choose this second option cause I m not very versed in complex nutritional deductions
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 5:31pm; Reply: 169
Quoted Text
Hey:

This is Andoni, from the Basque Country (Spain-Europe), and I'm also a gatherer (O+).

Just wanted to ask you for some help:
1.Can we afford cottage cheese, or it's too fatty for us?
2.Why is kefir, for example, prohibited? Don't understand, because you could fermet it with skimmed milk and eat the protein part.

Thanks! I did my contribution with my garlic cream some months ago. I hope many people enjoyed it.

Talk back.


I am questioning the cottage cheese as it is avoid in some places.. and then again added in others.. BUT for me I am not going back to any dairy.. I am not looking for belli aches..

BUT I am not answering your question.. BUT I PERSONALLY don't care for anything low fat.. if the mess with it ---- it becomes a mess..  whole or nothing.. eat less.. or leave it .. but the best way would be for you to try it on your self..

if you get gas its off, if you get cramps its off if you are ok with a little here an there.. ok then.. so long as it lets you sleep and keep you regular..

:)
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 4:45am; Reply: 170
Andoni,
I eat sheep and  goat cheese with no problems. Gatherers can have cottage cheese and ricotta.
You don;t need to worry about the fat in it if you don't overdo it.
I notice that you are lacto vegetarian.....I once was too, but am glad I learned the importance of pasture raised meat and wild fish....it has made a big difference in my health.
Posted by: andonitxo, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 5:51pm; Reply: 171
Hey:

I appreciate a lot your answers.

I know dairies aren't a good option, and that we must have them in tinny quantities, but it's also true that dairy has high quality proteins, and a great taste!

I hadn't think about the whey factor until I read your answer. Thanks! Anyway you can get rid of it if you make it at home, I mean, ferment the kefir for many days and strain it.

Anyway I have quite lazy intestines, so I have to clean my meals of fat, and chew them a lot. I also have my skin tattooed every time I have my body pressured against something (as when you have your arm laid on a chair's arm), and I have to have plenty of aerobic exercise to get rid of my belly, that's why I prefer to put my eye on low-fat food, even if I can be quite possessed by chocolate's sweet spirit, haha.

Gatherer's to the power! ;-)
Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 7:16pm; Reply: 172
This is the third week that every weekday I've done my Three Mile Walk DVD.  I've lost 5lb. (ok some of that may have been water) But that's good. I want to take off this last 15lbs. Although I've always know that as a Gatherer I have to really work up a sweat. I'd gotten lazy this winter. Springs sprung. so it's out to the yard and into the garden. Happy that I've taken those 45min. each morning, getting me ready for the world. Who I'm sure like me better now that I'm not as gumpy. ;D
debbie
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 7:22pm; Reply: 173
good work, Deblyn!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:31pm; Reply: 174
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also true that dairy has high quality proteins


not necessarily for Os.....
high butyric acid content in certain forms of cheese for certain O GTs and physiologies, yes


displaying messages under the avatar:
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or you can add vegetarian in your signature line somewhere.....
helps people give you better advice :)
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 10:40pm; Reply: 175
let swami do the guessing for you :)
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 10:47pm; Reply: 176
will swami also know my numbers for diabetes??
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:29pm; Reply: 177
medical family history and your medical history.....all there for you to check
so they re taken as variables for your personalized end report
Posted by: 9264 (Guest), Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:19pm; Reply: 178
TYPE O GATHERER...So Confused. :'(

#1 The VERY CONTRASTING good/bad foods. Mainly wondering about Soy milk, mushrooms, cottage cheese, ricotta cheese, farmer cheese, oatmeal, cinnamon, and shrimp. Yes or No? They are great for Gatherer but bad for Type O.


#2 Can you be a gatherer with a 5'11 female ectomorphic body? That is the category I end up in. :-/ (Feel free to private message me about it too)
Posted by: Goldie, Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:37pm; Reply: 179
Good message above.. I am less confused as I am uncertain.. I see that the fooods you listed are now allowed.. but they scare me.. yet with the specter of diabetes I can see where some foods re preventative as they will addresse some issues of needing some carbs.. but they make me hungry..  :D

Now a little oatmeal once in a blue moon might be ok..and cinnamon I like too..  but SOY no way I will trust that.. just to much interference from cow to table..  :-/

The bigger issue I might have is with my mind to accept the good.. after all the years as O .. buy I see where NEW   Geno people will have a much easier time adjusting ..  8)

I like BTD and I am sticking on the diabetes list.. 'looking' at the Geno next to it.. feeling save with pineapple and grapefruit juice.. ... and when I add a few vegetables from Geno I see that the list is nicely expanded.. but I will only expand from benficials.. forget about neutral.. too timid.. and don't really have on emotional need for it..  ::)

but the sugar attacks they are scary as all heck.. I have no defenses.. when I shop for them they will be eaten.. no restraint... I am learning.. please keep ruminating about this as its is important.. add your age too so it fills the picture..  ;)

I have a friend in Vancouver.. might visit there someday..    ;D
Posted by: jayneeo, Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:08pm; Reply: 180
Welcome, Nadya Lina!
Your height makes me wonder, too. Would guess you a hunter, with the ecto figure, but ....if the finger fits, you must acquit! -I mean, if the index finger is longer.......it spells gatherer. There is also Explorer......hopefully others here will know.
I love the gatherer list, btw.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:15pm; Reply: 181
if you want a personalized diet, get a swami!

it will also compute your GT for you, provided you input all data necessary.

no more guess work!

perhaps finding out your secretor status might narrow it down some more
Posted by: 9264 (Guest), Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:46pm; Reply: 182
does swami work on mac software?
Posted by: 9264 (Guest), Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 10:47pm; Reply: 183
oh...and it didn't matter about the secretor. It was gatherer ether way.  :P
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:32pm; Reply: 184
Quoted from 9264
does swami work on mac software?

It works in a browser, no installed on the OS, so yes...
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:37pm; Reply: 185
it runs within a web browser so the operating system does not make much difference.
runs fine on Macs, Linux and Windows (including the just released,
Windows 7).
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:40pm; Reply: 186
Quoted Text
It was gatherer ether way


when running the software, check the compute genotype box

it does the math for you ;)
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 3:53pm; Reply: 187
often it all comes down to how you measure the fingers.... ::) for swami as well...
Posted by: battle dwarf, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 4:50pm; Reply: 188
farmer cheese is nutral and gathers get alot of mushrooms....actuly the only real avoids you have up there were the shrimp and the soy, nadya lina. i know what you mean about some of the messuerments. my dad is, was before spine curve, 6tf. it just blew my mind that HE was a gatherer like the rest of us. he has several exsploerer tendancys but he is still firmly a gatherer.
i stay away from my beloved shrimp becuse i do notice looser stools with all shell fish. soy is almost impossible to be completly way from, but i do my best.
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 5:43pm; Reply: 189
I had entered my numbers in 2 ways.. and both came back gatherer.. even 50 pounds appart.. hahaha
Posted by: Stargate, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 6:52pm; Reply: 190
Hello, I am new to the forum. I'm hoping you wonderful gatherers can point me in the right direction?? I am beyond confused. I really need some advice.

I followed the ER and LR books in 2003 and eliminated 80% of my digestive issues at that time, within 6 weeks of strict adherence without knowing my secretor status. It didn't really register with me that secretor status would tweak that extra 20% , so concluded something was 'missing' from the program, and sort of drifted off. Just recently, being plagued for some time with those same digestive issues, I thought i would give LR and ER another good effort and so went the step further and discovered I am a non secretor. Ok....so maybe this provides a further clue, but did not get started in any real serious way, on the program, as I needed to direct lots of energy to an infected root canal, which turned out to be 3 infected root canals. So needless to say my attention has been diverted toward dealing with healing from the surgery of root canal removals. It was all done with top notch protocols by a biological dentist and am now in the process of detoxing, healing and losing wt, both from limited eating, and diarrhea (detoxing). Anyway....being steeped in the detox process, i am ever so excited to begin my BTD including my secretor status.....and one step further, to include genotype. So i ordered the genotype book, it arrived yesterday, and i read it.  I am urgently requesting feedback and advice from all of you who are so much more experienced.

I am O+ non secretor, and given finger ratio's and torso/leg length ratio's, i am a gatherer---but almost nothing seems to describe me.  I am 5'6" and 111 lbs. Of couse i've had weight loss due to the dental recovery process, but would normally be around 117 or 118.  My metabolism is the complete opposite of thrifty....in that i have always struggled to keep wt on, have always had voracious appetite and ate lots of everything, and worry about loosing a lb or two if i skip a meal ......you see how there is nothing 'thrifty' in that kind of metabolism! True to my non secretor status, I am very prone to UTI's, vaginal yeast infections, teeth issues, canker sores in the mouth, and a good clotter. I am strong, lean, and athletic, and very ectomorpic body type, although i do have the waist to hip ratio indicative of gatherers, I suppose, with waist 25 and hips 36. I have been a runner most of my life until 2 years ago with a knee joint issue and i currently rock climb, hike, and always thrived on intense physical exercise. Nothing in the 'ultra category, but definitely loved my 3 mile runs and miss them. I just turned 50 last week and am female--3 grown kids and great marriage of 28 years. Have had my hormones recently checked and they are in a good place. I have had the past several years with great intestinal distress which is what brought me back to the BTD.....but now after reading the genotype book, i do not see how i am a gatherer as so many things on the food list seem in complete contradiction to my O+ non secretor status.  Please tell me what i am missing. Maybe i could say this in defense of my 'gatherer' distinction: I do remember in my first year of college when i was eating complete junk food (french fries and gravy/muffins/lots of bread and pasta) that i did shoot up to 129 and perhaps like a gatherer might do, my body did take on a rather distinct curvyness to it with the weight going to my hips and thighs but not to my waist---probably the curviest i've been in my life.  Even though my current diet contains no sugar, no processed food, very close to no dairy, i am very plagued with the digestive issues/some joint issues so want to employ the BTD as i know i will very likely heal from both of these things. But how much stock do i put into the gatherer status that my body measurements have suggested?? Should I just follow the LR and incorporate the new knowledge of being a non secretor or should i go the genotype/gatherer route even though it seems so counter-intuitive.

Please forgive my very long post and the inclusion of info that may not even be relevent.....please know that i just want to feel better. I know from the outside i look very healthy/active/athletic to others if not a little thin....but on the inside i know i am needing so much in my gut to heal, and knee joint (s). Thank you for any advice or direction you might offer:))
Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 7:01pm; Reply: 191
I'd say you are a gatherer who has taken good care of herself, so far.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 7:04pm; Reply: 192
one option is to stick with the O diet...in fact there is a questionaire here under one of the headings at the top that can tell you which diet is best for you, btd or gtd.
Another consideration is to check out the explorer genotype (muscular)....and others will chime in with their ideas as well.
Welcome!
Posted by: Stargate, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 8:57pm; Reply: 193
Thank you jayneeo and deblynn3 for your responses. I DID find the quiz, and did it. For every answer that was slightly ambiguous, i repeated the test with slight changes. Results of EVERY quiz, said my answers clearly indicated i should folllow the BTD rather than the GTD. That really does give me so much more 'direction'. I was feeling so 'stumped' by the genotype results.

However, maybe after several week/months on the BTD, if I'm feeling lots of improvement but still need to gain some weight, I can go to the Gatherer diet and perhaps add some cheese and notice if it enhances further, the way i feel or detracts from my healing. Does this seem reasonable??  

BTW, along with my book, I ordered the blood type probiotics for O, intinsic, deflect and the protein powder for O. Anything else that would be wise to include?

Since the quiz indicated very strongly that I am better off following the BTD rather than GTD, does that mean getting SWAMI is a moot point for me, or still a valuable tool. I really appreciate your responses--thanks so much:))
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 10:20pm; Reply: 194
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Should I just follow the LR and incorporate the new knowledge of being a non secretor or should i go the genotype/gatherer route even though it seems so counter-intuitive.


having gone through the same qiestions I would say for today: add one food from the Geno list you did not have before.. see how you react.. then eat it for 3 days.. long enough to see what turns up..

then after some time when you have added enought items and are comfortale then start changing to the Geno first and BTD as foods after.. and start converting..

change is good even if you go back later the what worked before..

or read thearthritis boock..but eth foods are the same .. just the subs change..

in 6 weeks you will know..  
Posted by: Stargate, Thursday, May 6, 2010, 11:59pm; Reply: 195
Thanks for that input Goldie:) How long had you been doing ER/LR and now GTD? Did you have the same question as me, because your GT did not seem to 'fit' you?  Was it a long road of trial and error introducing the new foods from GT or did you use SWAMI?

I need to go back and read ch 1-3 in the GT book because i skipped them....but maybe you or someone can clear this up for me. Will the ER/LR diets be best for some, while the GTD is best for others?? OR....will a personalized form of GTD always be better in the long run for all, in which case, do you eventually abandon the LR diet in favor of the GTD??

Hope this isn't a 'dumb' quetion. Thanks for helping:)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 7, 2010, 1:44am; Reply: 196
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
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Welcome!
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Posted by: Lola, Friday, May 7, 2010, 2:52am; Reply: 197
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Dr D
BTD: Align you to genes.
GTD: Align genes to you.
Posted by: Stargate, Friday, May 7, 2010, 5:33am; Reply: 198
::)Thanks Lola
Posted by: battle dwarf, Friday, May 7, 2010, 7:13am; Reply: 199
i think that swami might be a good idea for you as you sound more like a hunter than a gatherer. every thing you describe is what our nabor who is a hunter deals with (with exseption to the teeth). i do not have swammi, mosty for money resone and also becuse i am such a string gatherer that it seems moot to me, but it is taylored for those litttle combos and diffacult diagnosis and might help you alot.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, May 7, 2010, 8:22am; Reply: 200
Stargate.. see what Lola Quoted from Dr D ..

I have been on BTD I think since 1993... and for many years before that Atkins.. both meat eating at their base.. but BTD was the fit for me after reading the BTD bock.. While I had bought all the books as they became available .. I skimmed over the diabetes and cardio and cancer books never (mentally) connecting more than just saying oh that is for "my" future.. today I have no choice but to acknowledge that I have diabetes ll and have to deal with it..

I then received the new GENO book and did my Geno test and turned out to be Gatherer.. I feel that gatherer is much less strict in its discussion IN THE BOOK.. not because it is not intended that way but for me I get it that the older books explained much better in detail why how come years ago we needed to be told to change.. today our public general information is greater, and so the book could be less detailed.. actually I am waiting for the next books with happy anticipation..

BUT to your question, why BTD or GENO after one year on Geno I tock the 'which diet test" and it indicated that I should stay on BTD.. so then I went back to BTD but BTD FOR DIABETES.. and I just feel that all the 'restrictions' are better for MY CONDITION...

I feel that Gatherers have diabetes in our future and so PREVENTION is more important for some and I BELIEFE that GENO will do that.  (it might be doing it for all 3 conditions in my inheritance- cancer from mom, heart and diabetes from my father, had I started Geno 15 years ago at your age I might have done myself a lot of good.  BUT the Geno book was not out yet ..so I could not participate in the "prevention' aspects for all those years.. but you can.. so take that test and see what you will be testing out, or look at your inheritances and honestly look into your future- as you have choices today-.. then follow what you learn..

BUT most important I think is testing what foods you can have from both groups of foods and combine SUPER BENEFICIALS from both sets and see how well you are doing.  --- You asked me today, a good day, I just allowed my self to eat almost as many prunes the last 2 days as I felt like.. (maybe not a good thing  sugar wise) but Beneficial never the less, because 4 am today I stood on the scale - because I felt my fingers seemed not to be hurting from arthritis  (another issue) .. and while I have not gone to the bathroom yet this early, I never the less finally seem to have lost 2 pounds.. I don't know where they went, but it seems something got me moving in the right direction.. I was stuck for a while- - so you see IT is all a journey of discovering who you are, or what you are looking forward to and making CHANGES that only apply to YOU..  my motto is just try it..  -- I replaced choc with the prunes -- was I right?  time will tell, but for today, yes I was able to give up choc for BTD/diabetes and replace it with sweet prunes- was I right? I have no idea yet- but My time will tell and I will be HERE to report as that is saving MY health and MY sanity..  so stay a while and ask questions of you and of us.. good luck..  

and do this test..     http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

Posted by: Stargate, Friday, May 7, 2010, 8:28am; Reply: 201
thank you battle dwarf---i've been wondering about that. when i answer the questions in the intermediate test, hunter scores a 16, nomad 17, explorer 11, gatherer 9, warrrior 6, teacher 6. i have not done the prop test tho, so that would change some scores...also my finger prints seemed difficult to read and altho i did my best to answer, i feel my readings might be inaccurate. i am leaning strongly toward using swami to help sort things out better, especially since i know i will follow the diets in very hardcore manner, in the hopes of quick and promising results. it's really hard for me to do things half'asked and i really hate the intestinal distress and very tired of it.

thankyou everyone for your suggestions. they have been so helpful. it has also been helpful browsing other threads;)
Posted by: Stargate, Friday, May 7, 2010, 8:55am; Reply: 202
Goldie, i found the quote.....just need to determine what that really means--thanks:)

i do understand what you are saying about trying and testing and waiting to see the results...that all makes sense. it is empowering isn't it , that we can make decisions to influence our genes, both for our own futures, and if we were younger...our future generations also. i feel fortunate that i can share all of this with husband and kids. in a few months when i am feeling very noticeably different and better, i plan on having the kids tested for secretor status and helping them with some changes. they already have read up on their blood types and are open to making changes :))

thanks for sharing about the teeth and dental implants and receeding gums. in 3 to 4 months i am scheduled for dental implants. i have many further questions of my dentist after what you wrote about gum recession and your continual pain since having them implanted. my heart goes out to you as i am very steeped in dental mishaps and tooth pain, especially this past year of nightmare with infected root canals come to roost. i saw my dentist had the blood type books on his shelf.....but i will discuss this further with him in terms of my non secretor sensitivities. before he does work on a patient he sends them down the street to LabCorp for a blood draw. then your blood serum is tested against virtually ALL of the material/tools used in dentistry that react with your blood serum. this minimizes any incompatibilities with the materials ietype of fillings/titanium etc that he will choose from. it sounds like you have been down a vey hard path with your teeth this past two years. i hope i can avoid this when it's time for my 4 implants:((
Posted by: battle dwarf, Friday, May 7, 2010, 5:34pm; Reply: 203
well, you might come up strong for nomad but nomads are type a or ab so you couldn't be that. o's are one of three, hunter, gatherer or exsplorer.for hunters prop makes a differance in strength but not much ealse as far as i could tell. i was a super taster but as i have a large proton of native american so it was not a surprise i could taste it, although super taste was a surprise to me.  :X LOL
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, May 8, 2010, 10:17pm; Reply: 204
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but i will discuss this further with him in terms of my non secretor sensitivities. before he does work on a patient he sends them down the street to LabCorp for a blood draw. then your blood serum is tested against virtually ALL of the material/tools used in dentistry that react with your blood serum. this minimizes any incompatibilities with the materials ietype of fillings/titanium etc that he will choose from. it sounds like you have been down a vey hard path with your teeth this past two years. i hope i can avoid this when it's time for my 4 implants



I am doing this for 40 years.. first root canal then caps then implants then gold bridges and caps over them..

again: I do have my implants for about 12 - 13 years by now.. yet even the last few days I suffered from the gums and lips in the top front hurting and being all 'chewed' not really but it feels like it.. from not total smoothness from unevenness.. from having done open mouth breathing for a few nights and the gums stuck to the teeth and then the thin skin -like- was torn.. cracked.. ahh just all around  a pain in the but..  

and my tongue also in the same bad shape.. half the skin is rubbed of from the inside - not enough not smoothness of all the work surfaces and work spaces..  

BUT at least now YOU can see what you need to know and then its less of on issue of anger by surprise..

Look not all have my issues but the chemical and electric different inter reactions from the metal screws and gold copings and the white part of the crowns all interact in ways I don't know.. but being able to have some input I think will be interesting.. lets compare notes in 10 years...   BY THE ways despite the many root canals - from I think -clenching after on accident with my neck - I never had any infections.. so I feel for those who do..they are way worse of then I .. I always though of my having a good basic constitution health wise.. and still I was miserable before BTD.. IT saved me..and my teeth..  that is a sure thing!!!!!!
Posted by: Stargate, Saturday, May 8, 2010, 10:54pm; Reply: 205
I thank you so much for sharing all this with us (me). I plan on sharing your story with my dentist to get his feedback and express my concerns and will see how he responds.

I'll tell you Goldie, when you mention different material/metals in your mouth, I DO remember my new dentist telling me,'first things first....lets get rid of your mercury fillings/root canals--your mouth is like a 'battery' with the different metals interacting in there".  Also should add that this dentist is special indeed, as he follows a protocol set out by dr. hal huggins, the forefather of biological dentistry. before starting any of the invasive work he has a nurse come in and set you up with an IV drip of Vitamin C. This takes about 1/5-2 hours prior to the work beginning but is considered necessary to help with pain/binding to heavy metals in your body for excretion. i'm new on this path, but so far i like his approach and hope your difficulty with your gums/implants is not necessarily something i will have to experience. Like you though, i've had teeth/mouth issues for years---part of being an O non secretor i suppose.  Can your dentist smooth out those rough areas you mentioned?? Would that help? I know it won't help your gums...but will it help in other ways. do you think the gums having receded is a reaction to the implant material?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 8, 2010, 11:24pm; Reply: 206
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set you up with an IV drip of Vitamin C


ouch that sounds like a very corn based laden drip to me.....
my throat shuts immediately!!!
ascorbic acid, citric acid......those are they favorite drips.....vit C, yeah sure :-/
Posted by: Stargate, Saturday, May 8, 2010, 11:41pm; Reply: 207
I don't know what the base is....but that's a good question for sure. Like everything in this world, not EVERY dietary or health regimen works for EVERY person who tries it. Dr. D'adamo said something to this same effect in a video i saw of him, recently.  Apparently if works very well for these folks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSp4VS2wY70

more power to them for finding something that vastly improves their lives, much like how we here are trying to do the same thing for our lives with BTD and GTD!!!

I tend to give my dentist tons of credit for having ER4YT books on his shelf.....and instituting other methods that have proven effective in his practice---kudos to everyone who thinks outside the box:))
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, May 9, 2010, 12:59am; Reply: 208
your dentist sounds great.. my lips just hurt because they are like papercuts right now.. on the inside..

as long as you know that bridge work lasts 15 years or 20 or a little more.. but that its not forever then you will be ok..
Posted by: Stargate, Sunday, May 9, 2010, 4:47am; Reply: 209
Goldie--Sorry about your lips:(( Do you ever get relief from that? It sounds like you are dealing with pain all the time, is that right?
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, May 9, 2010, 9:28am; Reply: 210
yes.. with my teeth implants yes.. the rest of my body is better..99.99% better.  

I feel for young people who did their teeth in nice looking caps while young as I was 20 and then find out that after a few years they might lose they perlies and then need implants - in front- not ever knowing that this is the way it is - because the dentists do not tell you that.. often they did not know what the treatment can do, how long it lasts, or what other damage it does. Like silver fillings with mercury, like root canal with formaldehyde leakage.. and for that matter bridge work or metal in partials and plastic in full plates.. my mom must have eaten pounds of gooey pink fasteners.. I wonder what it did to her intestines??  

BUT ok having said all that - I am alive and mostly well.. I think in the olden days I would have been gone for the lack of being able to chew my meat ??  ;D especially if I had to eat it raw after a all day hunt???  I need to keep my humor.. (even though it comes through as passive aggressive) for I am upset, disappointed, and feel that I do not deserve it-- I did every thing I could-- I even worked for a dentist for 10 years -- (he saved my first bridge up to 35 years and had he been alive I would still have that bridge-- he did not need a new Cadillac :D.... BUT I am angry because I just NEVER expected any of all my troubles.  and Dentist never so much as said: I am sorry..  ...

SO FOR ADVICE:  STAY compliant.. and your teeth will thank you for it. The money you save is money you can spend on BTD/GENO compliant good foods.. and a trip around the world in first class..  ;D
Posted by: Stargate, Sunday, May 9, 2010, 4:54pm; Reply: 211
Goldie--honestly you have been through hell....and of course i'd be upset too! It's awful what you've been through. I know what you mean--how do any of us REALLY know when a dentist tells us something, that it is all sincere and necessary work that he is telling you you need. If always had that question. Of course you and I are apt to be skeptical as we have had our share of teeth troubles. People who have escaped dentists and dental procedures or had a few with no repercusssions....well, they have a more embrassing affection for their dentist :P :P

I'm glad you feel better in so many other ways....but also wish you could do something to not have teeth/mouth pain.
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, May 9, 2010, 6:19pm; Reply: 212
THANKS THAT FEELS GOOD.. have a lovely day..  ;D
Posted by: JapanDietEllen, Sunday, January 19, 2014, 12:32am; Reply: 213
Is the food list for gatherer's on line somewhere?  I want to put it on my iphone.  I am just starting.
Thanks,
Ellen
Posted by: JapanDietEllen, Sunday, January 19, 2014, 12:35am; Reply: 214
Hi,

I appear to be a gatherer.

Can't quite wrap my mind around dieting to lose weight when I am pretty skinny (155.5 cm and 48 kg at age 65).  I want to quit being constipated.  Am already into veggies and very low on meat.  Will eat the  veggies in a stir fry made with meat in it, but leave the meat to my husband.

Best,
Ellen
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 19, 2014, 1:09am; Reply: 215
Quoted from JapanDietEllen
Is the food list for gatherer's on line somewhere?  I want to put it on my iphone.  I am just starting.
Thanks,
Ellen

No, the food lists are only published in the books for the Genotype Diet.

The only way to get an e-copy of your food lists is to copy the lists from the book into a document and put it onto your phone or get SWAMI and put the output from it onto your phone...
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, January 19, 2014, 1:12am; Reply: 216
Quoted from JapanDietEllen
I appear to be a gatherer.

Can't quite wrap my mind around dieting to lose weight when I am pretty skinny (155.5 cm and 48 kg at age 65).  I want to quit being constipated.  Am already into veggies and very low on meat.  Will eat the  veggies in a stir fry made with meat in it, but leave the meat to my husband.

I don't follow the diet for weight loss either.  I do it for health.  By following this lifestyle plan, your body should get healthy and stabilize on the best weight for you.  Following the lifestyle means to target the portion size and frequency for each of the food groups.  As a Gatherer, you probably need meat to get to optimum health.
Posted by: BCgal, Sunday, January 19, 2014, 2:01am; Reply: 217
JapanDietEllen, I find my bowels work best with lots of meat / fish / poultry and veggies.  If you've been away from eating meat you'll probably have to slowly increase it.  
I also take magnesium every night when I head to bed and that keeps everything moving well too.
Posted by: Dmccullo, Tuesday, February 25, 2014, 9:13pm; Reply: 218
Ok, so I am looking at the dates here, 2010!!  so don't know if I will be talking to the ghosts of Gatherer's past or not.  Let's see.  I am a Gatherer and use SWAMI. I have been off and on for a year but in general am learning how to make it a lifestyle and doing fair.  I still need to lose weight and my biggest challenge is pasta and I get so confused by the list.  Of course, no wheat. Then, No white, brown, wild rice but can have Basmati rice. But then I can't have brown or white rice flour so even if I find a rice pasta, isn't it made from rice flour, therefore a no no???

I have been SLOWLY making all the other changes with no big issues except eating out.
change in cheese, milk, etc. etc. etc.  No problem...but the spaggetti noodles!!!!

anyone find one that fits the bill?  I keep hoping.  ::)
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