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Posted by: JJR, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:59pm
I have read the fatigue book and the allergy one and am basically following this.  I know there is much information on adrenal healing and many of you have had experience.

For those of you that have overcome some adrenal issues, what things seemed to make the most impact for you.

This one thing that keeps coming up is getting to bed before midnight and the best sleep is between 10pm - 1am.  I really struggle with getting to bed early and wonder if that has seemed to make a big difference for any of you.  Even though I get to bed around 11:30 or midnight, I usually sleep for 8 hours or more.  Sometimes I don't have to get out of bed until 9AM or so.  Every day.  (I work from 11-6)

So, I am interested in hearing what you all think really helped you in dealing with adrenals and healing them.  I know mine are getting better, due to he diet and such, but wondering if there might be other tweaks I should adhere to.  

Thank you in advance for your time!
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 6:20pm; Reply: 1
I'm glad you have brought this topic up again, because it's one that I deal with also.  

I know that getting in bed early is strongly recommended, but when I go to bed much before 11:30 pm, I just lie there and toss and turn.  It does not seem to help me.  So I aim for 11:15 to 11:30 pm and I go right to sleep.  The most important thing for me seems to be allowing myself a full 9 hours in bed.  I'll get up after 7 or 8 hours and visit the bathroom and open the curtains for my plants.  Then I'll lie back down and just relax for another hour or so.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 6:43pm; Reply: 2
The Genotype diet is the foundation of any other program I work with, along with Dr. D's recommended supplements for any other health issues, such as from the Fatigue book.  In addition, I also have gotten a lot of help from Dr. Lam's articles on Adrenal Fatigue.    

One of his ideas that I'm working with is the Adrenal Breathing that he describes.  He talks about how "adrenal fatigue, especially in the advance state, is invariably tied to overstimulation of the Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS).  The chemical transmitters of the SNS flood the body, resulting in a body that is on constant alert, leading to a viscous downward spiral of compensatory response and ultimately adrenal burnout. One key to adrenal recovery is to reduce SNS tone and enhance Parasympathetic Nervous System (PNS) tone. Adrenal breathing influences the autonomic circuits that slow the heartbeat and reduce blood pressure, producing calm and a sense of stability. It calms the mind, and allows the body's internal hemostastic system to reset itself. This conduit by way of controlled respiration consciously gives us access to autonomic function that no other system of the body can boast."

He described how we tend to breathe shallowly when we are anxious or deeply fatigued, which tends to overstimulate the SNS.

"Adrenal breathing exercises can break this negative cycle by rebalancing the ANS, gently delivering more oxygen to the body for natural energy generation without overstimulation of the SNS. The body gets to take a break and resets itself to its natural state.

Proper adrenal breathing releases tension from the body and clears the mind, re-connects the body to the mind, reduces fatigue, and improves both physical and mental wellness. This is accomplished through enhancing the parasympathetic nervous system’s function. It shifts the body's basal resting mode from a sympathetic to a parasympathetic bias."


Click HERE for the full article on Adrenal Restorative breathing.
Posted by: LovetoRead, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 7:22pm; Reply: 3
I take a supplement called Adrenal Response (herbal, whole food derived) which was recommened by my endocrinologist (who is very "naturopathic" despite being an MD).  It is produced by Innate....you can google it. It's expensive, but I do believe it helps me alot.  I also do practice alot of meditative breathing as well....
Posted by: karen, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:30pm; Reply: 4
In 2005 I had a saliva test that showed my cortisol levels were very low.  Some things that helped me were animal protein at every meal(maybe for your blood type the source of protein may be different but I know protein is really important), lots of beneficial veggies, no refined carbohydrates, a good B-complex and an adrenal supplement called Iso-cort. And yes, I was in bed by ten every night because rest is critical for adrenal recovery.

There's a book by James L. Wilson N.D.,D.C.,Ph.D. titled Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome that is quite helpful.  I think a number of folks on this forum are familiar with it.  In the book he states that Vitamin C is probably the most important nutrient involved in adrenal metabolism.  He goes on to stress that it is the C complex - not just isolated ascorbic acid that is needed. He also writes about the importance of salt in the diet.  He said that one sign of hypoadrenia is increased fatigued or shakiness after eating a breakfast high in fruit because of the high potassium content and not enough salt.  After I read that I started to salt my fruit.  He also said that it is important to eat before 10:00 AM to restore glycogen stores.

The book is quite easy to read and understand.  He included a few self-tests you can do also. I felt it really helped keep me on track as my adrenals healed.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:50pm; Reply: 5
I checked out Dr. Wilson's book from the library a couple of years ago.  It was a good read, and I appreciated many of the things I picked up from it.
Posted by: karen, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:13pm; Reply: 6
Yes, Victoria, it is a really helpful book. I've loaned out my copy a few times and get good comments when it is returned.

I forgot to mention for ABNoWay that the book also contains an Adrenal Recovery Soup recipe.

Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 2:58am; Reply: 7
Yeah, the bed at 10 is really hard for me.  I'm not tired.  I have always been kind of a night owl.  

B complex, C and Adrenal 80, CHECK! Among other things. I have been eating more animal protein lately, along with a supplement to help absorb it and I think that's actually been helping me too.  I seem to be needing less other supplements to kill bad bacteria.  Which is interesting, because most of the "yeast diets" will tell you that animal protein is the enemy for yeast.  I now think I disagree.  It probably depends on the person and type.

I do the small little breathing thing listed in the Teacher section of the GTD book and that seems to help.  And many people I have seen along the way have promoted some kind of breathing exercise or another.  This is obviously important and I should probably look more into doing it longer.  I usually only do it 5 minutes a day.  I'll check out the link and thank you very much for that!

As far as salt goes, yeah, I feel like I can eat it on just about anything.  And my blood pressure is pretty low, so I don't think it's a problem.

I know when I first started having all my problems this nutritionist gal at my Chiros office did I think it was a saliva test, no maybe urine and it showed that my sympathetic system was in high gear and the para was like not engaging.  She said you have all go and no brakes.  Settle down BOY!!  So, I've been learning how to try and do that for the last 3 years or so.  It is hard also when you start to feel good, I want to get back up and conquer the world or something.  And then there's always that part of me that feels bad for not being able to be superman or something.  For example, we have to redo our bathroom because the toilet overflowed and the tile was old and grout was not very good and it got mold around it.  Well, the whole bathroom is waaaay old and if we replace the floor, the very shoddy vanity needs to go, etc etc.  Well, I want to do it all myself, but there aint no way I can.  But I for some reason feel bad that I'm not a HGTV superstar that can whip this thing into shape in a weekend.  You know?  Calm, breathe, accept.  You know, I don't know why I feel like a heal, it's not like I'm lazy even now.  I got my hands full cooking for 4 in a healthy manner.  Soaking nuts and grains, not using the micro, etc etc Making meals NOT from a box.  That in itself has been a big job.  But SO rewarding.  ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 3:39am; Reply: 8
Running a natural individualized kitchen, shopping and cooking from scratch . . It's another nearly full-time job.   ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 3:41am; Reply: 9
Quoted from JJR
It is hard also when you start to feel good, I want to get back up and conquer the world or something.  And then there's always that part of me that feels bad for not being able to be superman or something.  For example, we have to redo our bathroom because the toilet overflowed and the tile was old and grout was not very good and it got mold around it.  Well, the whole bathroom is waaaay old and if we replace the floor, the very shoddy vanity needs to go, etc etc.  Well, I want to do it all myself, but there aint no way I can.  But I for some reason feel bad that I'm not a HGTV superstar that can whip this thing into shape in a weekend.  You know?  Calm, breathe, accept.  You know, I don't know why I feel like a heal, it's not like I'm lazy even now.  I got my hands full cooking for 4 in a healthy manner.  Soaking nuts and grains, not using the micro, etc etc Making meals NOT from a box.  That in itself has been a big job.  But SO rewarding.  ;D

Is this a man thing or an AB thing?  I am constantly wanting to be doing more...  Of course, this is from a guy that drove himself to chronic exhaustive collapse for about 5 years...  I am hoping that one of these days I'll detox and heal adequately that the diet will allow me to get back to my active self...

Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 8:30am; Reply: 10
AB-conrères :D... I think it's an ABthingy....  :P(blush)(pick_nose)(disappointed)(dizzy)btw...highest amounts of Vit. C are a superbene for the adrenals ;) ;D....(whistle)and for sure are we really driven by those.....but since I'm aware about my own psyche patterns...i got thaaat strong....terrible..... ;) ;D ;D(hehe)(hehe)the release of internal anger and other issues gave back strength to me... 8)(ok)(dance)(evil)(woot).....today I can discuss nearly all openly.... what wasn't possible coz I feared to hurt ...... today..I'm sorry I prefer to come along...instead of suffering by myselve... :o :-/ :B ;D ;D and so far.... all became very strong and directly, even if somebody thinks I'd be bully... I don't care anymore... B U T... ok I am really implementing the 4 sentences of Don Miguel Ruiz.... and I'm very aware about those...yep.... here I really DO care ;) :D....
ABN....go for visualizations... works best for us and be kind and nice with yourself ;) ;D....(pray)(smarty2)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 8:46am; Reply: 11
I thought it was an A OCD issue to want to do a lot in a short time, to be too perfectionist a cortisol issue for As and may be Hunters, adrenals are so important to health. However I am not in full adrenal exhaustion just for Vit C and Adaptogens, which I take religiously.
So ABs share too? Poor us ! LOL
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 12:55pm; Reply: 12
;D ;D ;D ;D(clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)MG.... :D ;D

btw...kidneys also have the impact being weak when loss or anger or similarities are lived by the owner ;)....(goofy)(whistle)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 1:15pm; Reply: 13
Great Isa, I understand that deep anger and painful losses are a major stressor on our life and they tax very much the adrenals. Just the miracle of balance can defend our physical and mental health. Not to take anything personally, but knowing how and when to protect ourselves is a good start.
Posted by: JJR, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:08pm; Reply: 14
Interesting, I'm always having kidney problems it seems like.  I had several stones in there and they hurt from time to time. I take a supplement to help them called renatrophin. And a homeopath to vibrate them up.  I think it's working.

So what other things have worked for you all??

I think we are related Joe.  I'm a german (federmeyer), english (Clark), Scottish (McDowell) and some other kind of anglo mix with Hawaiian in me (Rea, my last name).  Got any of those names in your history?  We call ourselves 57 Heinz.  Too many ethnicities to count.  
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:25pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from JJR
I think we are related Joe.  I'm a german (federmeyer), english (Clark), Scottish (McDowell) and some other kind of anglo mix with Hawaiian in me (Rea, my last name).  Got any of those names in your history?  We call ourselves 57 Heinz.  Too many ethnicities to count.  

I am 50% German, 25% French and 25% Belgium.  My mom's parents emigrated from France/Belgium and my Dad's parents were 100% German, even though the family  emigrated in the 1800's.  I don't have the full family history, but none of those names are any that I know are in the history... ;D

I have had to heal every system in the body, so there really aren't any specific symptoms related to blood type, just that the foods need to be (mostly) beneficial :D  for me rather than mostly avoid  :P  :o...   ;) ;D :o

All of the remedies weren't according to blood type, either, but I did see a correlation to effectiveness depending on the BTD status.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:19pm; Reply: 16
Got some German here too.   :)  Among a bunch of other things.

Well, ABNW, when I take any of the adrenal supports from Standard Process I feel really good.  Unfortunately, they're expensive.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:51pm; Reply: 17
German on Mother's side.

I was recently told I should take: Adreno Liquitrophic

http://www.mynaturalmedicineclinic.com/Adreno%20Homeopathic.html

I have not yet tried it.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:54pm; Reply: 18
I almost wrote, "The Germans must be Nomads", just as a joke, meaning they really got around.  Of course the word Nomad means different things to us. ;)
Posted by: LovetoRead, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:13pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from Victoria
Running a natural individualized kitchen, shopping and cooking from scratch . . It's another nearly full-time job.   ;)


Tell me about it!!!!!!!!  I feel like all I do is shop and cook.....   ::)  It's yummy though....and it makes me feel good.  
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:06pm; Reply: 20
ABNW, I find it hard to believe that each person has the exact same body clock.  I am a morning person, so the recommendations might work better for me.  My aunt's normal rhythm was something like this: wake up around 2 PM & go to sleep around the time most of us need to get up! I'm sure her adrenals work differently than ours.  If your job starts at 11, rather than 8AM, I would expect your rhythms to be different. If you get home after 6PM, maybe you can't turn yourself off at 10. I like your shorter work hours. It gives you more time to cook!!  I didn't read every entry on this thread, but wanted to share that. KUTGW in your health search. It's very complex & it is taking us years to iron out everything!
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:08pm; Reply: 21
Oh, I'll add that pantothenic acid(B5) in a large dose helps, as well as C.
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:05pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from JJR
She said you have all go and no brakes.  Settle down BOY!!  So, I've been learning how to try and do that for the last 3 years or so.  It is hard also when you start to feel good, I want to get back up and conquer the world or something.
Boy, can I ever relate to that.  This kind of behavior is mainly what earned me the "bipolar disorder type II" diagnosis.  Hopefully you can get a handle on it yourself.
Quoted from ABJoe
Is this a man thing or an AB thing?  I am constantly wanting to be doing more...  Of course, this is from a guy that drove himself to chronic exhaustive collapse for about 5 years...
Four years ago for me.  It's not just a man thing, it's a superman thing! ;D
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 3:48am; Reply: 23
Quoted from Ribbit
Got some German here too.   :)  Among a bunch of other things.

Well, ABNW, when I take any of the adrenal supports from Standard Process I feel really good.  Unfortunately, they're expensive.


I've been switching off between that and the adrenal 80.  The standard process is the actually adrenal glands and I guess it's something you shouldn't take for long periods of time.  That's what they told me at my doctors office.  I'm going tomorrow and getting some more feedback on which on to take.  

I noticed that when I didn't take the adrenal supplements, that cloudy headed feeling came back.  I thought that was more of a yeast thing, and I'm sure it's all related, but there was definitely a link to those supplements and the cloudy head thing.  I hate that symptom.   Brain fog, whatever you want to call it, it's very annoying.  It's like I feel like I need to give my head a shake and some layers of something need to fall off and let my head alone.  Or something to that extent.
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 3:50am; Reply: 24
Quoted from ABJoe

I am 50% German, 25% French and 25% Belgium.  My mom's parents emigrated from France/Belgium and my Dad's parents were 100% German, even though the family  emigrated in the 1800's.  I don't have the full family history, but none of those names are any that I know are in the history... ;D

I have had to heal every system in the body, so there really aren't any specific symptoms related to blood type, just that the foods need to be (mostly) beneficial :D  for me rather than mostly avoid  :P  :o...   ;) ;D :o

All of the remedies weren't according to blood type, either, but I did see a correlation to effectiveness depending on the BTD status.


Yeah, I feel like I've been doing the same thing.  Healing every stinking inch of this flesh.  I'm like, how much more healing do I need to do?????  You doing OK with the less meats being a warrior?  
Posted by: JJR, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 3:53am; Reply: 25
Quoted from Mrs T O+
ABNW, I find it hard to believe that each person has the exact same body clock.  I am a morning person, so the recommendations might work better for me.  My aunt's normal rhythm was something like this: wake up around 2 PM & go to sleep around the time most of us need to get up! I'm sure her adrenals work differently than ours.  If your job starts at 11, rather than 8AM, I would expect your rhythms to be different. If you get home after 6PM, maybe you can't turn yourself off at 10. I like your shorter work hours. It gives you more time to cook!!  I didn't read every entry on this thread, but wanted to share that. KUTGW in your health search. It's very complex & it is taking us years to iron out everything!


Yeah, it seems to me people are different.  My daughter has always, from the time she was old enough to have a schedule, has always been an early riser.  She's almost always the first one up in our house.  And if not, she's second.  Or she's sick.

My Mom is a morning person also, and she's a B.  My daughter's a B and the gal I work with is a B and they all do better in the morning.  They eat more in the morning, etc etc.  Then, they turn into pumpkins at 9PM.  I'm just getting going at 9.  hehehehhehe.  OK not quite but that does seem to be about my prime time.  Unless I'm under the weather.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, March 4, 2010, 11:11am; Reply: 26
so it is MG :K)

and weew...all those 25 or 50 %centers of teutonics ;) ;D...they where everywere...(huh)(huh)(scared)(think)(shrug)(funny)(funny)...,
Posted by: JJR, Friday, March 26, 2010, 5:27pm; Reply: 27
So anybody else got any suggestions?

I've been following the BTD Fatigue book.  Pretty good stuff.  What is interesting is that in the "Allergy" book he recommends Ginsing for AB's for adrenal therapy, but he doesn't show it in the Fatigue book.  Is that kind of strange?
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 26, 2010, 5:52pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from JJR
You doing OK with the less meats being a warrior?  

I don't need much stinkin' meat...  
I eat a meal a week of good, natural, roast turkey...
A serving or three of cottage cheese per week...  
I eat more eggs than recommended, but the body seems to need that while doing this much healing.  
I eat tons of beans and rice, along with vegetables and fruit.

I am detoxing about as much as the body can handle, and supplementation is really driven by what is getting cleaned out.  I feel really different based on the toxin being removed.  For instance, I have a spacey feeling when detoxing mercury, lots of muscle / joint aches, and intestinal spasms when clearing food wastes...  Some days I get all of the symptoms at once. :P :(  ::)

I've also been an early riser, unless forced to work really late, then would get up later, but really not feel well rested doing it.
Posted by: Victoria, Friday, March 26, 2010, 7:09pm; Reply: 29
I'd be interested in hearing anyone's knowledge about taking adrenal (glandular) supplementation.  I have a simple dessicated adrenal and liver product that seems to increase my vitality when I take it.  I don't use it daily long term, but have not been sure what is considered a reasonable and safe rhythm for its use.
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, March 26, 2010, 7:25pm; Reply: 30
I took Standard Process Adrenal, Desiccated under supervision of a practitioner, but don't remember the treatment cycle...  It seems like I took it for several months, in conjunction with Std. Process e-Poise, continuing the e-Poise after the Adrenal.

My practitioner uses Muscle Response Testing to determine the body's needs...
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:48am; Reply: 31
check 225 chronic fatigue in the encyclo

fatigue
immune
antiviral
are advised for ABs
related are
autoimmune
cancer
immunity
viral
so in all, it all comes together nicely.... :)
Posted by: JJR, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:12pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Lola
check 225 chronic fatigue in the encyclo

fatigue
immune
antiviral
are advised for ABs
related are
autoimmune
cancer
immunity
viral
so in all, it all comes together nicely.... :)


Aaaaaah, I'll check that in there, I forgot to look at that book!  Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: JJR, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:15pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Victoria
I'd be interested in hearing anyone's knowledge about taking adrenal (glandular) supplementation.  I have a simple dessicated adrenal and liver product that seems to increase my vitality when I take it.  I don't use it daily long term, but have not been sure what is considered a reasonable and safe rhythm for its use.


My doctor has me on Drenamin and then they just told me to take some adrenal dessicated along with that.  I took two the first day and then one the second.  They say you shouldn't take the Adrenal dessicated in a prolonged use.  But the drenamin is ok or there is a product they had me on called Adrenal 80.  They change back and forth, depending on how I balance out and it seems that my adrenals are undergoing changes or something.  They're not being very consistent and they definitely need help.  

I slept until 9:22 this morning.  It felt great.  I get those emails from Body Ecology and she really pushes sleep for healing adrenals.  Among other things.  But she just sent something out about learning to take naps.  I don't nap well.  Anyone else do this?

Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, March 27, 2010, 10:16pm; Reply: 34
I nap beautifully.  Any time, anywhere.  In the car, on the couch, I just fall right asleep and I will sleep until one of the urchins wakes me up.  Unless I've had too much coffee.  Then it might take me a while to calm myself.

I didn't know you weren't supposed to take adrenal supps long-term.  I've been taking them off and on, mostly on, for 10 years or so.  I've only done the Standard Process for 1 1/2 years off and on, mostly off (because of the expense).

Usually I feel like Winnie the Pooh pulling cotton puffs out of his ears.  "Huh?  I couldn't hear you because there was fluff in my ears."  (ears=head)
Posted by: kescah, Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 6:51pm; Reply: 35
I have not read this whole thread yet, and I definitely will, but wanted to tell of my experience.

In my early 20s I had a long term terrifying experience that over time wiped my adrenals out. For the next 20 something years, while raising several kids- not all mine, and with additional severe stress, I could only be on my feet for a couple of hours at a time. Even then I was exhausted. When I collapsed on the couch, I often could not even whisper for a lack of energy. I was told by doctors that blood tests showed I was perfectly healthy. ::) I did not know what was wrong with me at that time.

Years later, going through the change, fairly young thank goodness, I decided to try taking Adrenal Glandular from Natural Sources that I got at the Health Food Store. I was taking it to help me continue to make female hormones naturally in my adrenals, which happens when the ovaries cut back. I took a lot of it, and was very surprised to see that I regained the strength I had lost so many years before. I am not recommending this course without a doctor's guidance, because I later learned that it can have it's serious downsides. Maybe someone else has already discussed it. Good health to you all!
Posted by: kescah, Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:08pm; Reply: 36
I'm seeing comments on sleep problems, and though I have to run for now, I want to tell you about what my son's psychiatrist said. My son has not been able to sleep well since he was about 10, the year we got our first computer. He says the light from the computer and other sources affects sleep. While it is good to get blue light in the morning, it is not in the evening. He recommends wearing amber glasses (orange colored) that you can get from welding supply stores- you wear them in the evening. He finds it to have a great therapeutic effect on people with bipolar disorder. My son has just begun to use them and said he gets sleepy soon after putting them on. :)

http://www.psycheducation.org/depression/LightDark.htm
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