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Posted by: Munchkin76, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 1:47pm
Hi All

I'd appreciate the wonderful words of wisdom that you all have to help me with some current health issues.

I've got asthma and bronchiectasis (caused my dozens of bouts of pneumonia as a child) which was being treated with ventolin (as required) and daily seretide.  Well I stopped taking these meds about 4 months (give or take) ago, but have been struggling with the cough since.  I really want to lick this thing without having to take 'hard core meds again'.  It's hard though coz when the cough gets me in the middle of the night, it's awful - feel like I'm drowning in my own mucous (sorry not nice) (dead)!

Currently I'm taking (in addition to strict compliance on the Hunter diet) the following:

Andrographis tincture (thanks GZ) 40 drops (3x/day)
Hunter multi-vits (x2 2x/day)
Synergist (x1 2x/day)
Activator (x1 2x/day)
Catalyst (x1 2x/day)
Redoxa (x1 3x/day) (thanks Lola)
Bladderwrack (500mg) 2x/day
CoQ10 (100mg) 1x/day

In addition to the above I rub 1 drop of lemon + 2 drops of eucalyptus + 3 drops of rosemary essential oils (dissolved in 1 tsp of olive oil) into my chest/neck/forehead/bridge of nose morning and night.  I also drink various teas during the day: fenugreek seeds with fresh ginger, nettle tea, mountain tea, liquorice tea, kukicha tea.  Oh, and I've ordered some Colinsonia from NAP as well (thanks Lola) and will start taking this too when it arrives.  I've also been taking a variation of the pastina recipe (on this site) for dinner most nights in the last week - 3 cloves of garlic, a large handful of parsley, a tablespoon of olive oil and a little salt simmered together and blended into a thin soup to which I add some rice or pasta (rice/quinoa/millet/spelt), some protein (either chopped chicken/beef/lamb) and a tablespoon of ghee.  Am trying just about everything I can think of (huh).

I don't want to go back on the meds (specialist is threatening to put me on prophylactic anitbiotics 4 days/week forever - which I won't!!!! take), but I'm really fed up with horrible cough and the headache/low energy that goes with it!!

Thanks in advance for all the wonderful advice I know you'll give (woot)!!

Andy  :)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 2:07pm; Reply: 1
If as Hunter or Nomad you eat spelt with your problems I suggest going really gluten-free, as spelt is not really gluten-free, as Kamut; they are ancient wheat kinds with a weaker gluten but still avoids for you if you are gluten sensitive. Quercetine and  trurmeric as antiinflamatory supplements or Respiratone (Nacetylcysteine in low doses is in every chemist's if NAP Respiratone is  no more available). I'd keep all the Hunter supplements beside polyvitamine, Redoxa and Bladderwrack for later if the supplements are too many to take. My mother had asthma and got rid of this with disodiumchromoglycate in an inhaler consistently for two or three months.
Hope this helps !
Maria Giovanna
Posted by: Munchkin76, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:11pm; Reply: 2
Maria, that does help thank you very much!

Andy
Posted by: Leanne, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:12pm; Reply: 3
I would first start with taking a lot of probiotics.  We usually acidophilus regularly as well as Proberry sold by NAP.
Our acidophilus comes from:
http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-5749-now-foods-acidophilus-2-billion-100-capsules
and this is the powder form:
http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-6026-now-foods-acidophilus-2-billion-4-oz

Also, something that has greatly helped our family over the past year and a half is something called CC-A.  It's a Nature's Sunshine product.  Liquid that you put in your drink.  It helps to break up the congestion.  Take it about 2-3 times per day.

Among your supplements listed above I didn't see ARA6.  That stuff is such an immune booster that no household should be without it!  Again, sold by NAP, like the Proberry.

Being a hunter as well I'll tell you that any amount of carbs seem to slow me down.  Buckwheat is one of the few things that I actually enjoy and seem to handle well.  

If it were me I'd start my morning with some scrambled eggs, broccoli, 1/2 tablespoon of dried red hot peppers, seasoned with a little salt and Parmesan cheese.  
For lunch and dinner eat a good source of meat and again dump more jalapeno peppers or something hot into your food.  It will help to loosen the congestion.
Substitute all of your carbs for sweet potatoes or winter squash.  Even add another veggie to your plate.  However, eliminating spelt completely from your diet will do you a world of good!  Even going easy on the rice, you might notice a difference.

Finally, just a quick word about probiotics.  If you've taken medication no doubt they've given you antibiotics.  Probiotics are so necessary as a follow up.  Anti-meaning against - cleans out ALL bacteria from you body.  PRO - meaning for - adds good bacteria.
The more PRO you put into your body the more "armies" you have to fight off the bad guys.  Without good bacteria you'll suffer from yeast issues as well as prolonged sicknesses and illnesses.  
Hope this helps,
Leanne!
Posted by: Munchkin76, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:07pm; Reply: 4
Leanne

Brilliant advice all round, thanks tonnes.

Have just ordered Proberry and ARA-6 powder from the NAP site as well as some echinacea and acidophilus and CC-A (although it's called something else here) which I will include in my regime as soon as they arrive!

In terms of food, I do tend to have scrambled eggs for breakfast with some other protein (usually fish) but I will start making sure I make more use of spices and peppers as per your suggestion - thanks  :P!

Ordinarily, (apart from this last week due to detox) I do tend to have some lean organic meat (beef/lamb/chicken/duck) for dinner with mashed sweet potato and another veg (broccoli/beans/peas etc).  Again, I hear ya and will make greater use of peppers!

I'll also cut out the spelt and turn the volume back down again on rice/rice products and see how that goes.

Great advice

Thanks again

Andy :)
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 7:07pm; Reply: 5
I would consider dropping all but a few types of teas to see what impact this might have.  

Might you have a mold/mildew problem in your household?  

Best wishes!  
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 7:38pm; Reply: 6
Hi Andy,
The red flag that went up when I read your first post, was also along the lines of the grain issue.  Looks like a few others felt the same way.  Looking over the Hunter carb list, none of the grains are diamonds, which says something for me.  (Unless you are on Swami, which I don't remember)  

I had a lifetime of chronic bronchitis, and one thing that I have had to accept in my dietary choices is that no flour products are my friends.  This means for me that I don't eat any pasta, crackers, breads, etc.  Your food list includes buckwheat, quinoa and millet, which would be my top choices for you.  I have no experience with buckwheat since it is not good for my type, but millet and quinoa are easier on the system in many ways than other grains.  Especially quinoa, and it could be a good alternative in a pastina recipe.  All grains should be rinsed well under cold running water before eating.
Posted by: Munchkin76, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 8:02pm; Reply: 7
Vicki

Right, will reduce the (new) teas down to one at a time for a few days each to see which (if any) effect the situation.  Mold/mildew is a good thought - my apartment is quite dry though so I don't think spores are a contributing factor.  Having said that, I will investigate potential damp zones to see if there are any nasties hiding out.  Thanks!!

Victoria

Thanks for chiming in with your advice!!  I haven't taken the plunge into the world of SWAMI yet, so just the regular old Hunter diet for me.  At least for the moment.

I think you're right regarding the grain issue - in my pre-BTD days I know that regular wheat literally took my breath away.  I'll cut everything grain-esque as you suggest and try having the quinoa and millet instead.  I do have quite a bit of both in my pantry but have never really made full use of them.  Well, here goes......

Thanks for all the great advice!!

Andy
Posted by: geminisue, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 9:22pm; Reply: 8
I use cayenne pepper 40,000 Heat Units, started at 1/4 teaspoon, and eased up to 1/2 then when I got rid of everything went back down to 1/2 for maintenance.  It works,  in tea, on food, used daily as often as I could (I was on oxygen 2 liters during day and 5 liters at night, 24/7) Now I don't even have it in my apartment, no longer a need.
Posted by: Munchkin76, Saturday, February 27, 2010, 10:11pm; Reply: 9
Gemini Sue that's brilliant, thankfully I only ever had to have oxygen once or twice when hospitalised as a youth with pneumonia.

What do you mean by 40,000 heat units in relation to the cayenne pepper?  I have some dried/ground cayenne is that what you mean?

Thanks again

Andy
Posted by: karen, Sunday, February 28, 2010, 12:41am; Reply: 10
Are you eating dairy products?  They can produce a lot of mucus for some type O's (I know I'm one of them :().  If reducing your grain intake along with the other suggestions still leaves you with mucus, try cutting out dairy if you use it.

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, February 28, 2010, 1:57am; Reply: 11
Quoted from Leanne
Finally, just a quick word about probiotics.  If you've taken medication no doubt they've given you antibiotics.  Probiotics are so necessary as a follow up.  Anti-meaning against - cleans out ALL bacteria from you body.  PRO - meaning for - adds good bacteria.
The more PRO you put into your body the more "armies" you have to fight off the bad guys.  Without good bacteria you'll suffer from yeast issues as well as prolonged sicknesses and illnesses. Hope this helps, Leanne!
Was just about to say, at work they/we advise people to take them at the same time...
but I just wondered Leanne... if you did, would the antibiotics get rid of the probiotics in the process of cleaning out all bacteria????)
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, February 28, 2010, 2:04am; Reply: 12
Quoted from Possum
Was just about to say, at work they/we advise people to take them at the same time...
but I just wondered Leanne... if you did, would the antibiotics get rid of the probiotics in the process of cleaning out all bacteria????)

Most natural practitioners say that the probiotic should be taken between the doses of anti-biotic...  For instance, If you are taking the anti-biotic every 4 hrs, take the probiotic two hours after the anti-biotic...
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, February 28, 2010, 10:35pm; Reply: 13
Hello, Andy!

You should try astragalus.  I second Vicki in getting you to cut back the quantity of tea.  Are you getting plenty of water?  As crazy as this sounds, even the more "herbal" kinds of teas will not be hydrating you as well as water with a little pinch of salt.  When I am cold, I make up half the mug with boiling water.

Just in case you are an Explorer or some Hunter/Explorer combination, do some basics about checking for mould in your dwelling.  When was it constructed?  How quickly does the heating take away the chill?  Are there unusually cold areas in some of the rooms?  Unless you own the building, fixing what is essentially an environmental problem (i.e. yours) will be difficult.  I know a little about how bad housing can be and a lot about the cool, humid climate you live in.  (hand)

Hope you are feeling better soon.    :)
Posted by: Munchkin76, Sunday, February 28, 2010, 10:43pm; Reply: 14
Hi Paul

Thanks - I'm taking 40 drops of Astragalus 3 times a day now so am hoping this starts to make a difference!  I'm also drinking 2.5 litres of water (minimum) a day with salt added - I've just finished reading 'Your Body's Many Cries for Water' about a month ago and have been very vigilant about my 'pure' water intake.  Any herbal teas are on top of this water.  My apartment is only 3 years old.  I can't find any nasty mould or mildew growing anywhere and it's very warm most of the time - good thought though.  I could possibly be a combo of Hunter/Explorer.  All my measurements make me a Hunter.  The RH-/Nonnie/Longer ring fingers on both hands make for definite Hunter status, but most of my environmental sensitivities/asthma/allergies/repeated pneumonia (in childhood) etc really put me more in the Explorer camp in many ways (think).

Thanks for all the good advice!!

Andy  :)
Posted by: Munchkin76, Monday, March 1, 2010, 7:52am; Reply: 15
Hi Paul

Thought about my response to you this morning when I woke up.  I'm not taking 40 drops of Astragalus at all, rather 40drops of Andrographis 3x/day.  D'oh, was very tired last night when responding  :o.

I'll take a look for some Astagalus and get on with that too.

Thanks again

Andy  :)
Posted by: battle dwarf, Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:36am; Reply: 16
funny the first post looks just like the one titled mountain tea. have you read that one?
Posted by: Munchkin76, Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:44am; Reply: 17
Battle Dwarf, I have thanks - I was actually talking on that post with Golfzilla about this issue.  I then decided to start this separate post to get even more collective wisdom from the forum, rather than 'hog' up GZ's thread.

Andy  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, March 1, 2010, 7:02pm; Reply: 18
If you are buying astragalus, I believe it's best to take it in powdered (capsules) form instead of tincture.  I read a statement of Dr. D's, a couple of years ago about this.  
Posted by: Munchkin76, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:57am; Reply: 19
Thanks Victoria, luckily I had ordered capsules before I read your post (whistle) and I'm glad I did now you've written this - very nearly got the tincture instead.

Thanks again

Andy (woot)
Posted by: Leanne, Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 7:52pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Possum
Was just about to say, at work they/we advise people to take them at the same time...
but I just wondered Leanne... if you did, would the antibiotics get rid of the probiotics in the process of cleaning out all bacteria????)


Possum, what ABJoe said.  ;)

Leanne!
Posted by: Munchkin76, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:10am; Reply: 21
Thanks Possum/ABJoe/Leanne - am not taking any anti-b's right now but have been on them in the last 4 months so will look forward to re-colonisation thanks to the probiotics when they arrive.

Andy  :)
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:52pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Munchkin76
Leanne


Have just ordered Proberry and ARA-6 powder from the NAP site as well as some echinacea and acidophilus and CC-A (although it's called something else here) which I will include in my regime as soon as they arrive!


Andy :)


Hi Andy,
NAP makes a great probiotic called Polyflora.  I would nix the echinacea, avoid for us O's.
Posted by: Dr. D, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:30pm; Reply: 23
Black onion seeds (sometimes called black cumin seeds) Nigella sativa

1/2 tsp in honey taken twice daily.
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 4:45am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Dr. D
Black onion seeds (sometimes called black cumin seeds) Nigella sativa1/2 tsp in honey taken twice daily.
Quick question -  They are quite garlicky on my breath (absolutely love them though) which always makes me wonder if they are related to garlic as that lingers on my breath the next day??
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 5:35am; Reply: 25
google their content....
might be high in sulfur
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 5:52am; Reply: 26
Ah good thought!! Cheers ;)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, March 4, 2010, 7:16pm; Reply: 27
Sounds like a fine and powerful herb!  Thanks to Dr. D for bringing that one up!  
Posted by: Munchkin76, Friday, March 5, 2010, 7:00pm; Reply: 28
Kauaian

Thanks, I'll get some of that too!

Dr D.

Sounds like a great herb as Victoria said.  There are loads of Indian shops (living in the East End of London and all) around me, so I can get this herb in abundance.  Can't wait to try it too!

Thanks again everyone!

Andy  :)
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