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Posted by: Robyn Mc, Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:54pm
Can't find it in any of my books but I thought I read somewhere that O's should avoid the gingko biloba.  Anyone who can point me in the right direction, here?

Also, I know Rhodiola is great for O's, how about A's?  The reason I'm asking is we have a ginseng/gingko/rhodiola formula from Asian food market sitting here, just wasting away and I'm wondering if either me or my husband should have it.  I know he can have the gingko and ginseng, but the rhodiola?  

Also, as an O, I'm finding that Yerba Mate seems to make me edgy, yet green teas/rooibos teas do not.  I drink several blended variations of those throughout my day and love them.  I've heard many people here seem to love the Yerba Mate, but the edgy/nervous thing seems to be a consistent response for me.  Maybe it's other factors that happen to coincide.  However, it does seem to have happened every time I've tried it over the last several years.  

Your collective wisdom is appreciated!



Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:28pm; Reply: 1
Gingko, not good for O's, rhodiolda , I'm taking a guess is OK for A's, probably better for non-secretor A's than secretor A's.

Catechol is great for O's and also good for nonnie A's.
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:34pm; Reply: 2
Hey robydoo...I am going by the BTD encyclopedia for the information that I found.

Rhodiola...for O's-Antistress, fatigue-fighting, cognitive improvement...Anti-stress remedy.  Presents stress-induced catecholamine activity in the heart, and promotes stable heart contractility.   Says nothing for A's, B's, or AB's.  Someone else may be able to answer that.

Ginko...Group A-cardiovascular  Group B-cognitive improvement.  Increases cerebral circulation.  Used to treat Alzheimer's disease, atherosclerosis, cerebrovasvular insufficiency, congestive heart failure, depression, diabetes and impotence/infertility.  Says nothing for O's or AB's.

Ginseng, Chinese...Group A-antiviral Group AB...fatigue fighting.  Adaptogen; promotes healthy stress response.  Used to treat heart disease, stress, diabetes, melitus, poor digestion, weakness after long illness/injury/surgery, and the effects of aging. Nothing about O's or B's.

Ginseng, Siberian...Group B-antibacterial, antiviral, chronic illness recovery, cognitive improvement, fatigue-fighting.  Group AB-antiviral, cognitive improvement.  Adaptogen; promotes healthy stress response, increases stamina and endurance, encourages normal adrenal gland function, enhances mental acuity, and combats harmful toxins.  Nothing for O's or A's.

Hope this helps you out.

Yerba Mate doesn't effect me the way it does you.  I find it very soothing.  When do you drink it during the day?

Debra :)  
Posted by: Robyn Mc, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 1:30am; Reply: 3
Debra, thanks!  

I would try the YM a.m. or early afternoon...the jury isn't still completely out.  I'll try it again sometime and see if I get same result.  I've noticed the edginess on more than one occasion and figured that might be the culprit--but sometimes, it ends up being something else, entirely. Crazy nonnie that I am, I do tend to be sensitive to various herbs and teas.  I tend towards high energy and need things that are calming, but not toooooooooo much.  

Somewhere, but I can't remember where in all the BT stuff, I thought I read that O's were supposed to stay away from the ginko...it could be in my SWAMI.  I could also be thinking of something else.  

Thanks for checking out the BT encylopedia...I need to get one of those, soon.  One thing at a time...I'll be combing through my SWAMI again, to see if I caught it there and report back, just in case anyone else is interested.  
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:36am; Reply: 4
Ginko is somewhat of a blood thinner, and type O's already have thin blood.  :-)
Posted by: Robyn Mc, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 3:51am; Reply: 5
Thanks, Victoria...thought I had read it somewhere for O's to avoid.  If thin blood isn't a problem for me and I'm not planning on any surgery, I'm thinking it would be ok for occasional use in small amounts, if I derive some benefit from it.  We have it mixed with the ginseng and rhodiola.  Hate to see all that good stuff go to waste if we can derive some benefit from it!  :D  
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:09am; Reply: 6
here s a good guide
Rhodiola
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP005
http://www.4yourtype.com/searchprods.asp
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT006O
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT1ACT

ginkgo.....in Attentia
and Gaba in Tranquility base
both are fine for all types

gingseng
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT3CAT
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT6CAT
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP000
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 10:19am; Reply: 7
amazing to go for curcumin in the hunter activators ::) it's also known as a blood thinner and often I tested curcuma wasn't that good for any O's... :-/
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 1:30pm; Reply: 8
From personal experience, I tried rhodiola for quite a long while and noticed very little. Chinese ginseng
made a profound positive difference in my mood, stamina and energy levels.
Posted by: Raquel, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 5:15pm; Reply: 9
Attentia  from NAP has Ginkgo leaf extract:

Good for all groups,

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP038


Posted by: Golfzilla, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 5:22pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Robyn Mc
Debra, thanks!  

I would try the YM a.m. or early afternoon...the jury isn't still completely out.  I'll try it again sometime and see if I get same result.  I've noticed the edginess on more than one occasion and figured that might be the culprit--but sometimes, it ends up being something else, entirely. Crazy nonnie that I am, I do tend to be sensitive to various herbs and teas.  I tend towards high energy and need things that are calming, but not toooooooooo much.  

Somewhere, but I can't remember where in all the BT stuff, I thought I read that O's were supposed to stay away from the ginko...it could be in my SWAMI.  I could also be thinking of something else.  

Thanks for checking out the BT encylopedia...I need to get one of those, soon.  One thing at a time...I'll be combing through my SWAMI again, to see if I caught it there and report back, just in case anyone else is interested.  


Robyn, is that you robydoo ??)
Posted by: Robyn Mc, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:09pm; Reply: 11
Hey, Golfzilla, it is me, robydoo...it was a funny pet name growing up and for some reason, I thought it would be fun to use it on the board and since I was new, I felt a need to be a bit more anonymous.  

Now that I've been on the diet for awhile and have seen such profound results, I am referring people to the site more and more and I wanted to be more "recognizable".  I'm jumping into the "shareright" program.  It's amazing how much a conversation about health and diet come up.  I figure, if one person's health is changed by sharing my experience and getting them on the diet--it's worth the effort.  In the process of setting up a website with links...yay!  :D  

This board has been and continues to be a huge help!   ;D
Posted by: Robyn Mc, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:19pm; Reply: 12
Thanks all for the info...you guys rock!
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:49pm; Reply: 13
It's such a pleasure having you here, Robyn!   :K)
Posted by: 6553 (Guest), Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:42am; Reply: 14
Quoted from Chloe
From personal experience, I tried rhodiola for quite a long while and noticed very little. Chinese ginseng
made a profound positive difference in my mood, stamina and energy levels.


Rhodiola is a very finicky but extremely so much more powerful and intense than Ginseng. If you are getting an effect from Ginseng, just think what you could get if you found a proper Rhodiola! RHodiola is so much more successful in clinical trials than Ginseng. Both herbs, however, have a long history of human use, perhaps 1,000 to 2,000 years. And yes, I can tell you that the herb has made a big difference for me.

I like to buy herbs from people who specialize in them. Every herb has some company or another that seems to support that plant very well. For Rhodiola, there's a little store on the net called Proactivebio.com, and this is a boutique Rhodiola store (yes, only on the Internet!). They sell a couple of different products there that work fantastic. I think that's because they know how to deal with this plant, which must come from Siberia to have any effect, and which absolutely can not come into contact with humidity or heat. The little capsules are packed in nitrogen filled plastic blisters so that it is shielded even if sitting on your bathroom counter. Anyway, using a good brand of Rhodiola is the key to success, because you can buy them for $5 at WalMart or $20 on the web, and it is NEVER going to be the $5 one that does anything. Sad, but true!
Posted by: 6553 (Guest), Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:45am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Robyn Mc
Thanks, Victoria...thought I had read it somewhere for O's to avoid.  If thin blood isn't a problem for me and I'm not planning on any surgery, I'm thinking it would be ok for occasional use in small amounts, if I derive some benefit from it.  We have it mixed with the ginseng and rhodiola.  Hate to see all that good stuff go to waste if we can derive some benefit from it!  :D  


Actually, G. biloba is not as bad a blood thinner as St. Johns Wort . . . WOW, O's should REALLY avoid St. John's Wort, which has a list of drug interactions and herb/food interactions a mile long, such as never take it with a glass of grapefruit juice!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:46am; Reply: 16
JohnJoan,
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

Welcome!
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, February 4, 2010, 1:42am; Reply: 17
Robyn, Keep trying the YM.... I used to love the kind of "speedy" high from YM, but I find it is self-weaning, meaning the effect disappears over time (and not a long time) never to return! I still love the gentle high, very subtle, from it, but never ever get the more intense feeling...go figure!
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, February 4, 2010, 1:52am; Reply: 18
johnjoan, hi and welcome to the forum....I'm interested in finding out more from the link you shared but the website doesn't seem to function very well...has no place to order online. Information isn't readily available.

I'm curious...what made you know for sure that this particular rhodiola you're recommending is better than others I might be able to buy online. I was taking rhodiola from New Chapter and they're
usually very reliable...  I usually buy good supplements but I was going by Dr. D's recommendations and chose ginseng as it's considered a good adaptogen for blood type A.

I'm very open to you educating me and others here who are interested. Anything more you'd like to share about rhodiola and could you possibly tell us what about it makes it more effective than
ginseng?  Remember, each blood type reacts differently to different herbs.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:15am; Reply: 19
yes St John s W is a MAO inhibitor and Os already have it pretty low as is, so not a good thing....
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, February 6, 2010, 6:31pm; Reply: 20
I had a rash last year from going out in the sun during a winter trip to Texas, Iím from Illinois.  Not sunburn, but a rash that lasted 3 months while spreading and bubbling up with little blisters.  I tried everything I could think of with minimal success.  Someone on this forum told me about Rhodiola and it was like a miracle.  It healed me right up.
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, July 14, 2013, 2:20pm; Reply: 21
I started using gingko again yesterday.  I had taken some years ago and i think i took too much of it.  Then, i had just been learning about my genotype and how a minimal amount goes a long way.

This time, i will follow the recommendations on the bottle and maybe take one every other day.  

Ginseng began to give me anxiety attacks.  Even the white american ginseng did this.  However, this was before i learned caffeine was a thing to avoid, and i was a caffeine junky then.  I also was not sweating like i need to to clear my system.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, July 14, 2013, 4:28pm; Reply: 22
I think or l'acetyl'carnitin or l'tyrosine are better at  you age ;) :D....and yup we need to wach out for the amounts....(smarty)
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 1:55am; Reply: 23
I think gingko is good for any type.  Helped me literally last time i used a bottle with vertigo and heights.  Good for anxiety, depression, temper, and enhances energy and focus.  Also helps inflammation and allergies.  Its a neutral herb and does not overheat like ginseng if you have a hot nature.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 2:47am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Easy E
I think gingko is good for any type. Its a neutral herb and does not overheat like ginseng if you have a hot nature.
What do you mean by a "hot nature"?

Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, July 18, 2013, 2:33am; Reply: 25
It is considered a warming herb in herbal medicine (so i read).  Esp. the chinese panax kind.  There are warming, neutral, and cooling herbs.  People are said to have hotter or cooler consitutions naturally, so a warming herb for a person with a more yang or hot nature could overheat the person.  Too much energy, anxiety, irritation, inflammation, etc.  That is how i understand it!  
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, July 18, 2013, 2:52am; Reply: 26
Quoted from Chloe
From personal experience, I tried rhodiola for quite a long while and noticed very little. Chinese ginseng
made a profound positive difference in my mood, stamina and energy levels.
Chloe, this is such a good example for me to the difference between A and O! It is exactly the opposite with me  :) ::)  It is almost 7 and a half years and I am still amazed.

Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, July 18, 2013, 3:11am; Reply: 27
Quoted from Easy E
It is considered a warming herb in herbal medicine (so i read).  Esp. the chinese panax kind.  There are warming, neutral, and cooling herbs.  People are said to have hotter or cooler consitutions naturally, so a warming herb for a person with a more yang or hot nature could overheat the person.  Too much energy, anxiety, irritation, inflammation, etc.  That is how i understand it!  
Yes, Chinese medicine discerns hot, warm, cool, and cold natures. Hot is considred "excess of fire", that is, fiery nature, ignites easily. Possum, I am like that. It's good to be aware what endagers my balance...  ::)  :'(

I'm grateful to be reminded of the Ginko B. blood thinning effect. I am automatically reluctant of having it, only I didn't remember why.

Posted by: Possum, Thursday, July 18, 2013, 3:21am; Reply: 28
Cheers guys!!
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, July 18, 2013, 3:40am; Reply: 29
:) :)
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, May 16, 2014, 8:01pm; Reply: 30
I took gingko for awhile and it had some positives and seemed to also to have negative effects.   Positives seemed to be less sensitivity to blood sugar changes and perhaps more focus (I guess, some noted less focus actually).  Negative effects were it seemed to trigger a type of depressed feeling that otherwise I don't ever tend to get and less sensitivity to others feelings which being a counselor is not good( at least not for me).  I already have very good boundaries with clients without taking their baggage home or burning out.  I know there is only so much I can do but encourage and inform and people must decide to help themselves.
The gingko made me too abrupt and dismissive of other peoples concerns.  I also tend to get a rebound burnout and blood sugar crash after taking vyvanse or adderrall for too many days
Just like  too muchcaffeine.  I guess I am better off just eating right and living healthy! I don't need gingko!
Posted by: Easy E, Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 2:43pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from jayneeo
Robyn, Keep trying the YM.... I used to love the kind of "speedy" high from YM, but I find it is self-weaning, meaning the effect disappears over time (and not a long time) never to return! I still love the gentle high, very subtle, from it, but never ever get the more intense feeling...go figure!


I tried yerba mate a few times and it felt like what i think it would feel like to have used cocaine!  Coffee has nothing on yerba for a kick!  I would think it is not recommended for my genotype and i don't know about how yerba mate rates with A's overall.  I read a few A's say it was a superfood on their swami.

Posted by: Dianne, Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 8:12pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Easy E


I tried yerba mate a few times and it felt like what i think it would feel like to have used cocaine!  Coffee has nothing on yerba for a kick!  I would think it is not recommended for my genotype and i don't know about how yerba mate rates with A's overall.  I read a few A's say it was a superfood on their swami.



Yerba Matte makes me feel jittery, anxious and like jumping out of my skin. Fine with green tea, can have it before bed and sleep. A few times a year, if I have a cup of black tea or coffee, which is about 6x total, I do not get the effects that Yerba Matte gives me. Go figure! Individuality, and I was happy that Dr. D'Adamo posted something recently that even within the same blood group everyone has different reactions!  :)
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 8:17pm; Reply: 33
individuality, I can drink yerba matte all day, I think it gives me some energy, but not so much that I'd take it for that.  I'm don't have any effect from it or coffee as far as sleep, etc. It's a super so I drink it for that and I just happen to like it. ;D
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