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Posted by: Kumar, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:50am
A and AB nonnies can eat meat, whereas secretors cannot because of low stomach acid levels. Does this mean that nonnies have higher levels of stomach acid than the secretors? Or what enables nonnies (from A and AB) to digest meat? Can anyone shed light on this?
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:28am; Reply: 1
nope dearle all A's and AB's are low in stomach acidity but the question of alc. phosphatase is different  ;) :D.... that'swhy  we should substitute with bitter herbs...btw...for me sliced ginger in my greentea justamente does the trick... ;D(smarty)(ok)(dance)

The problem of low stomach acidity is merely about stomach bugs and higher bacterial overgrowth in the intestines....as well as for candidasis.... :-/ :o :P....
Posted by: Dr. D, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:50am; Reply: 2
Isa..nice..
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:45pm; Reply: 3
Peter, have had a good teacher ;) :K)  ;D :D(dance)
Posted by: DoS, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:32pm; Reply: 4
Kumar non-secreters typically have much lower IAP which helps digest meat is my understanding. However Type A's natural body fluids in the same area with the antigen of their blood seems to actually counter act the IAP in some respect. That is according to Dr. D'Adamo literature.

This may mean that non-secreters that do not have the antigen floating around might benefit more from their IAP than a secreter would.

Also you should know heart burn or indigestion in general in individuals may be caused as much by low stomach acid as it is by high stomach acid. That is something the medical field ignores a lot; that the symptoms of low and high stomach acid are the same.

What you can do... be healthy, eat lots of vegetables! Find out what things you personally do not agree with. I mean target different food if you feel something is wrong and test your theories. Right now I think tomatoes should maybe be a black dot for me and Spelt is a big no no... both are on my good swami list.  
Posted by: Eric, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:17pm; Reply: 5
If you want a really good read about Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase, secretor status, and blood type, check out this article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16412386

I think you have to pay for the full article- luckily my 2nd year physiology professor printed it out for me!  If you showed that to your doctor, it would blow his mind.
Posted by: Kumar, Friday, December 11, 2009, 6:19am; Reply: 6
Thank you all for the illuminating ideas and suggestions (from Destroyer of Smiles). I have also noted Dr D's response to ISA.
Posted by: Kumar, Sunday, December 13, 2009, 10:45am; Reply: 7
Hi folks! I come here with more related questions.

1. Destroyer of Smiles, what is IAP? ("Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase? forgive me for asking this question after such a long time)

2.Do nonnies have higher or lower levels of Alkaline Phosphatase (DoS, you said lower?)

3.Does a person with relatively higher level of Alkaline Phosphatase need to eat more or less of meat for better health?

Your response will be highly appreciated.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, December 13, 2009, 8:47pm; Reply: 8
the frequency ratings are given in the books.....
have you not yet found a reliable lab to do your secretor test?
Posted by: DoS, Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:26pm; Reply: 9
1. IAP is as you stated. It helps digest meat and with absorption for some on particular things.

-Type O need meat and calcium at the same time to get IAP to act in their favor for calcium absorption.

-The neutralization of IAP from Antigen A, lets say in warriors in particular who must have a lot of it, neutralizes the IAP so much so that they end up with a lot of red meat in their intestines. Even without a lot of Antigen A they appear to not digest it well anyway (nonnie Warriors are only recommended a tiny amount meat outside of fish and it being poultry). I can not verify this but all logic points to them being the ones that store 15 to 20 lbs - potentially - which adult males have been known for in studies.  

2. Nonnies have about 20% of the IAP that secreters do.

3. This primarily only applies to Type A blood, and Type AB Teacher or Warrior. For all other Genotypes and Bloodtypes it does not mean anything because they do not have problems with consumption of meat.

-Type A nonnies may not secrete enough antigen to fully neutralize the IAP so they can digest meat better. This is pure speculation on my part and I imagine someone knows if that is why they can or can not.

-Nonnies most likely have neanderthal genes (all signs point that way) and they were meat eaters. They also became what we know as basque people relatively, which we know more as being particular to the Explorer genotype which needs more iron, hence the relation to recommending goat/lamb/mutton to certain type A nonnies on swami most likely.

-The earlier books state nonnies Type A's "can" eat more meat not particularly that they need too.

-Nonnies always seem to benefit from Turkey, not sure why.
Posted by: Kumar, Monday, December 14, 2009, 5:19am; Reply: 10
Thanks again, DOS. Lola, take my words, testing seci status is still a big deal and I will do that only when I am around one of those countries. I might come back on the issue raised in this thread later. (I am a bit time pressed these days.)
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:22am; Reply: 11
Kumar, something else is very important coz it really plays a big role as well: it depends if you are driven by vagotony or by sympathikotony...
there are situations were it is  more related to vagotony, meant here is your neuronal stimuly are less activated...or justamente the opposite...
a question of our so called constitution....
a term how you are driven with your vegetative nervesystem..... :D
Posted by: Kumar, Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 5:42am; Reply: 12
Yea Amazone. I suppose I am these days mostly running on parasympathetic mode (what you call "vagotony"). But I have no idea if there is some relation of these nervous modes to your temparament. If there is one, I would assume that I tend to be a vagotomy-driven guy. I have no idea how all this relates to stomach acid or alkaline levels.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 6:48am; Reply: 13
Kumar, it is known in vagotonic estates your glands are less active....
the sympathicotonic is already under symptoms for a sort of fight or flight,so far his/her complete systems works more actively, but the vagotonic needs more signals for his system to get activated....!
Posted by: Kumar, Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:40am; Reply: 14
Amazone, I am sure I am mostly in vagotonic state then. Thanks.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 10:10am; Reply: 15
me the oposite ;) ;D...de nada at your service :D
Posted by: Kumar, Sunday, February 21, 2010, 9:10am; Reply: 16
Hi folks,

As I re-read LR4YT, I noticed that Dr D in his summary pages about medical, mental/biological characterists, has written that:

A/AB nonnies tend to have slightly higher IAP and stomach acid,though he has cited a work which says that for nonnies IAP is about 20% of the value. I wonder, whether it is some errata? (It is again different when it comes to O nonnies.) Can anyone shed light on this please?
Posted by: Symbi, Monday, February 22, 2010, 7:00am; Reply: 17
Hi Kumar,

Just thought I'd check out what you said.
I'm looking at page 176 of LR4YT (the best book)!

Quoted Text
"Type A health risk profile

low stomach acid production
* Makes it difficult to digest protein...

Variations
Non-Secretor: slightly higher levels of stomach acid make animal protein more digestable.  

Lack of enzyme, IAP

*produces high serum cholesterol
*Makes it difficult to break down fat.....

Variations
Non-Secretor: slightly higher (shouldn't this be lower?) levels of intestinal alkaline phoshatase"


Huh I just noticed it does say higher levels of IAP for nonnies.  That doesn't match with information everywhere else.  Like here:

Quoted Text
Independent of ABO blood group, ABH non-secretors have lower alkaline phosphatase activity than ABH secretors. It has been estimated that the serum alkaline phosphatase activity of non-secretors is only about 20% of the activity in the secretor groups.  http://drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Intestinal_Alkaline_Phosphatase_%28IAP%29


Also just checked the AB Health risk profile.  That is similar to the As but for IAP says "Non-Secretor: Extremely low levels of intestinal alkaline phosphatase."

I think you've spotted an error in the book.  Well done eagle eye!
Posted by: nwiser, Monday, February 22, 2010, 5:22pm; Reply: 18
So in the end we nonnies have less of a chance of digesting animal protein?
Or was that the mistake? I can't keep track.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, February 22, 2010, 7:44pm; Reply: 19
there s much more to this than a low IAP in As and or nonnies, etc.....it is much more complex than that
an example thereof was one discussion a while back on the following;
Quoted Text
phenylalanine inhibits intestinal alkaline phosphatase, and that's why sweet potatoes & yams were avoid for A's, because they are high in phenylalanine & effectively reduce already low IAP for them.


to this Dr D contributed the following quote
Quoted Text
Dr D
True, but for some reason in non-secretors it seems to paradoxically spark IAP activity.
Actually, I don't know why.  
It does seems to work as an inhibitor of IAP in A secretors, but then again the A antigen itself apparently inhibits IAP,  so perhaps there is synergism there that is absent in non-secretors.
It's not supposed to work, but it does.

so there you have it.....this is just one exmple or the thousands of variables Dr D has studied in the different physiologies.

I do not see this statement above as a typo or misprint in the book, though.
Posted by: Symbi, Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:23pm; Reply: 20
That's really interesting Lola, didn't know that.  The length of the books and the huge amount of research Dr D does, it doesn't suprise me that there may be small mistakes in the books.

Nwiser - I edited the above so that it might make more sense.  
Posted by: Kumar, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 1:43am; Reply: 21
Lola, your response answers some of the issues but I suppose you have not answered the question whether A-nonnies tend to have lower IAP or "slightly higher" in general (as rightly qouted by Symbi). When I look at your response, I tend to think that you are more bent on defending Dr D than on clarifying some of the issues (though you have clarified one relevant point). When we ask some questions or try to point some points that we think are edit issues (many be by mistake) do you perceive that we are attacking Dr D or questioning his authority? Sorry, your response somewhat makes me feel that way.
Posted by: nwiser, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 1:45am; Reply: 22
Symbi - thanks for the edit. So now I'm getting that us nonnies have
more stomach acid (for digesting animal protein), but less intestinal alkaline phoshatase? Sorry if I sound like an idiot ;D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:29am; Reply: 23
sorry you feel that way......
I always try to give all or as many points of view which I have stored in my notes, on one particular issue.....in this case IAP....
certain quotes by Dr D throughout the years, get lost during forum clean up mode, so I bring those out whenever I see fit.
perhaps because I have been here for so many years, and I want people to not miss out on important info.
Posted by: Symbi, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:35am; Reply: 24
Lola, we love what you do, if it wasn't for you so much info would be lost and you're a great friend and support so many people.  :K)
Posted by: Vista, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:13pm; Reply: 25
I agree with Symbi, I admire all the energy you have and all the work that you put into this forum. :)
Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:52pm; Reply: 26
She's our showgirl...la la   la la   la la la...with yellow ribbons in her hair. ;) :K)

Debra :)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:37pm; Reply: 27
Big hugs Lola ;)

I'm sure you have observed frustrations of many at various levels. Nothing is a personal as our health (and integrity) and many of us can become quite passionate about really wanting to believe there are absolute answers when we intuitively know there is no absolute in this life :)

Allow me a to leave this post with some humor:

A very wise man once said "wherever you go, there you shall be"!
(I crack myself up!) (clown)(funny)(woot)(dance)
Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 5:05pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Kumar
When we ask some questions or try to point some points that we think are edit issues (many be by mistake) do you perceive that we are attacking Dr D or questioning his authority? Sorry, your response somewhat makes me feel that way.

Whether she does or doesn't think Dr. D. is being attacked isn't really the issue...  She presents information from Dr. D. because he is the one that presented the information you are asking about, so who better to answer the question or point out contradictory evidence than the Dr. himself...  

I think that it is contradictions between individuals of the same type that push Dr. D. to continue research into individuals to add differentiators into the software to make the results more accurate.

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 7:21pm; Reply: 29
;D
Posted by: Symbi, Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:26pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from nwiser
Symbi - thanks for the edit. So now I'm getting that us nonnies have
more stomach acid (for digesting animal protein), but less intestinal alkaline phoshatase? Sorry if I sound like an idiot ;D


Sorry, didn't reply earlier, I think you got it.  I wish Dr D would confirm for us though.

The IAP is backed up by information from this website as above, but the more stomach acid I've only seen mentioned in LR4YT.  The nonnie diets (and the Explorer diet - made up mostly of nonnies) have more meat frequencies which supports that information.
Posted by: Kumar, Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 7:03am; Reply: 31
I do agree with Symbi. Thanks Lola for clarifications. After all, I love your regular quotes, "follow the book....", as that is what I have been trying to do for the last four years. Cheers!
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, June 19, 2011, 10:57pm; Reply: 32
Amazone - If candida infection is due to low stomach acid, why is it in the encyclopedia (blood type) that says O's have the highest rate of candida infection?  Not to be argumentative and what not, just this stood out as contrary to what Dr. D has written.  What is the mechanism of this seeming contradiction?
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, June 20, 2011, 2:42pm; Reply: 33
Ok i'm an idiot!!  This post is over a year old!  Moving on!!  
Posted by: FitnessAddict, Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:13pm; Reply: 34
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Posted by: SandrAruba, Monday, June 20, 2011, 5:02pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from DoS
Also you should know heart burn or indigestion in general in individuals may be caused as much by low stomach acid as it is by high stomach acid. That is something the medical field ignores a lot; that the symptoms of low and high stomach acid are the same.


This I find very interesting. I have heartburn on occassion and was wondering how that could happen if I have low stomach acid.

Posted by: Easy E, Monday, June 20, 2011, 5:51pm; Reply: 36
I had GERD that i think came about from smoking and drinking every day.  I took antacids of various types for a year.  I believe the antacids actually make the problem worse, because it upsets your natural stomach function.  I stopped smoking in this time and do not drink nearly as often.  I am now antacid free for over one month, eating the explorer diet for the most part, and have no GERD at all!!!  I really think that not smoking has made the biggest difference, as well as not drinking so much alcohol.  I now feel very good eating healthier choices too that work with me.  

We do a lot of stuff that can irritate our stomachs or digestive systems, thats the first line of defense!!
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