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Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:55am
This bee got him in the lip and now he has a fat lip, growin by the minute.  Will take him to the chemist now, but please post your thought here as to what to do when I get back home will be checking here.  
Will tell more later, been beaten before without much reaction, never in the lip though. ... :'(
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:00am; Reply: 1
Ouch  :o I hope he's ok ??)  I so wish I knew what to suggest  ::):o  Get the sting out as quickly as possible & apply Baking soda :-/
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 7:09am; Reply: 2
Wash the sting area with soap and water or alcohol wipes.

Apply ice to the area or use a cloth that has been soaked in cold water. This will help to limit the inflammation.
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:54am; Reply: 3
Well we are back.  He is OK but for a very fat lip.  I think it is still growing it is awful.  Sitting in the car on the way back I looked at his profile and his lip sticks past his nose!!  We sort of laugh about it, but we had seen the chemist and came home with 25mg Phenergan tablets.  Side effect drawsiness, so we were warned to take them before going to bed for the next few days.  He took one at the chemits (they were concerned) and he will take one before going to bed.  He is guaranteed to have a deep sleep tonight ... :)

We had to act quickly, although he has been stang in the past, finger, leg or arms, never had a reaction.  There is asthma in his family, so alarm bells went on inside me.

OK, what to do from now on (besides wearing his bee uniform next time he robs bees). Any special protocols I should have handy?  He is A+ unknown secretor ...  Alergy one?   :)  I think I need the calming protocol now myself ...  So much easier when you are trying to help someone else!!  ...
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:51am; Reply: 4
From what I read, even if someone has been stung before, a sting on the mouth or anywhere like that can cause quite a different reaction.. The thing they check for most often, is breathing difficulty in this case...
I have had phenergen myself & it is very drowsy making... The effect can carry into the next day too... ;)
Glad he's ok :)
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 10:20am; Reply: 5
Thanks Possum, I knew at least one of you girls will still be up for support.  Always looking forward to it ...   :)
Posted by: Symbi, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 10:26am; Reply: 6
Oh no, that's really scary.  The lips are really sensitive.  I bet he had a bad headache and must have been so scary for him and you.  Hope the swelling goes down soon.  

Maybe lymphatic massage will help?
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 10:32am; Reply: 7
Anyway, I have been searching this website to see if anyone in the past has had bee stings and what they have done about it.  Obviously there are not many beekeepers in this forum, or they are a bit more sensible than DH (too trusty of nature, such a good spirit).  Anyway, I did came onto this link, which for obvious reason, will keep secret from hubby.  I do not want to add to his existing predicament, the concern of getting electrocuted!!   :o  :-/  If he saw it, he will probably disconnect the power to isolate me from the forum where all these weird ideas come from  >:(   ;)    ;D ;D ;D

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive6/config.pl?read=20352

Feeling much better now!  He is sleeping it off ... :)
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 10:36am; Reply: 8
Hi GW, yes, it was scary, but hopefully no lasting side effects.  Like I mentionws above, he is now sleeping, pills doing their job, will keep an eye on him tonight, he also has had sleep apnea, but that has been good since I started on this path, sort of side effect for him though, good one to have...   :)
Posted by: Debra+, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:08pm; Reply: 9
Cristina...oh how awful to get it on his lip.  Here's to a quick recovery.  (drinking lemon water. ;))

And yes...no electricity for the man.  We wouldn't want to lose you.  You are a great asset here.  :D

Debra :)
Posted by: RedLilac, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 2:28pm; Reply: 10
I swallowed a bee once pre-BTD days when it went into my Pepsi can at a picnic.  My throat swelled up and I had to chew ice on my way to the hospital.  My problem when I get stung by an insect, besides the swelling, is that my temperature drops low.  I carry Benadryl with me at all times.  When Iím near a flower or perfume that sets me off, then my throat tightens.  Thatís the only OTC medicine I take.

My father had bees.  Heís make delicious honey.
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 2:59pm; Reply: 11
http://firstaid.webmd.com/bee-and-wasp-stings-treatment

When I had a reaction to Yellow Jackets they gave me a shot of adrenaline. Truly a 'rush'.  :D
Posted by: Vicki, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:09pm; Reply: 12
Seeking medical care is wise.  

Homeopathic remedies may be helpful.  I keep the following on hand for stings/bites: Apis mellifica, Ledum palustre, Urtica urens, Aconitum napellus, Carbolicum acidum...

Stock up on straws for him to drink!
Posted by: Janet, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:22pm; Reply: 13
Any stings and I'm on my way to the clinic/hospital...I'm very allergic so reach for antihistamines and also expect the adrenaline shot!

Hope he recovers very quickly but the sting acts like a poison and makes me feel poorly for a few days.
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:46pm; Reply: 14
Vicki,
Which ones of those remedies are for stings and which ones are for bites?
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 3:53pm; Reply: 15
I was also going to suggest the homeopathic remedy apis mellifica, but Vicki's list is more comprehensive!

When I was a little girl and got stings, my mother would lay an old fashioned aspirin (the white, chalky ones) on the sting, and put a drop or more of water on it until it became a paste/poultice.  It was left in place until it dried.  It seemed to stop swelling and pain.

Another remedy that I rely on is quercetin.  It is a natural anti-histamine, which works best if taken with some bromelain.

I wonder if there is a difference in composition between bee and hornet stings.  People call them all bees, but there are differences.  For one thing, I love bees and don't love hornet/wasps.   ;)
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:39pm; Reply: 16
Thank you everyone for your posts and PMs.  Was feeling a bit lost yesterday, but the new day brought much relief.  Hubby after having what it seems a good night sleep, is still walking around with a very swollen and red upper lip, but otherwise he seems OK.  No pain and carrying on as usual.

It has also been suggested via PM to 'always having Apis 12C on hand to take when stung by a bee'.  So it looks that many of you trust homeopathy first aid.  It is Sunday today and will have to check if any open chemists stock homeopathy medicines.  Or do you need a dr's prescription for them?  I rather go for any of these medicines than continue with what he has been given.  Let's see how the next few hours unfold.

The hard thing is that he could not finish the honey robbing thing yesterday, so he is planing to do it today   :o, but with the assistance of a friend and wearing his bee uniform.  I will make sure he is completely covered!!

Looking back, yesterday was not a day to rob bees.  It was cloudy and windy (not appropriate for bee robbing).  But, we are expecting the arrival of our visitor from Las Vegas today Sunday and hubby has to go on a week long business trip on Tuesday for a week.  And the bees were crowded in need of robbing to stop them swarming, and time caught up with us ...

It proves that you cannot rush nature if you do not want to see the 'uncomfortable' (for us at least), side of things. Or if you cannot avoid doing it, you have to be well prepared.  The worrying thing is that the weather today does not seem to be much better.  I am glad he is getting help and I have enough of these tablets at hand to cover for [/]two[/b] posible emergencies  :-/ :-/

Thank you all again.  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:48pm; Reply: 17
I think the crowding can make the bees irritable.  Sometimes you just have to do what needs to be done even when you know the weather is not the best for working with them.  I had two hives for a couple of years and after the first few times, I never used the protective gear.  I never got stung by my bees, but I never had to deal with the overcrowding and certain weather conditions annoying them.  Occasionally I used the smoker.

In the U.S. you don't need a prescription for homeopathic remedies.  They are readily available in natural food stores.  I've never looked for them at a pharmacy, although I doubt they would be sold there in our country.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:49pm; Reply: 18
I used to have to go to the hospital when stung by bees. Now I take large doses of Vitamin C instead.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:56pm; Reply: 19
quercetin

Victorias recipe is similar to a paste made of baking soda.
also known to help
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, November 7, 2009, 10:13pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from C_Sharp
I used to have to go to the hospital when stung by bees. Now I take large doses of Vitamin C instead.
Should'nt that be vit B(ee) :D ;D Or is that C for C U later??!! ::) ??) ;D
Cristina - Glad DH is feeling better & good luck to him with the next attempt - he's a brave man!!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, November 7, 2009, 11:34pm; Reply: 21
Hi Cristina,
Glad your husband is feeling better.  Here in the states we take a antihistamine for allergic reactions like Benedryl. Is Phenergan the same thing? I never heard of it.
Posted by: Jane, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:53am; Reply: 22
Ouch!  
That sounds very painful!  I got stung one time while driving - open window up in the mountains and there was nothing I could do but it wasn't nearly as bad a sting.
Sounds like you have some great advice.  Hope he's feeling all better soon, Cristina. He's lucky to have you!
Jane
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:55am; Reply: 23
Lola, Victoria, I do not have aspirins at home, do not keep them anymore, but I do have baking podwer (to be used for cooking) and bi-carb soda, use it a lot for green cleaning around the house, so which is the one to use, because that is something I can try straight away.   I will have to check if Gina stocks Quercetin and bromelain, if so, I will place them in my next order.  

Mayflowers, Phenergan tablets have 25mg antihistamine, also says each tablet contains promethazine hydrochloride BP (maybe that is what the antihis.... is.  The swealing has started to subside in time to welcome our visitor from LA, she just arrived and BTW, for those who are on the know, @ the end I did not ask her to do the melon detective work   ;D ... (C_Sharp's info back then convinced me it would have been useless to try).  

Posum: So far so good with the bees, they removed 9 frames full of honey and they are exctrating it now.  The final part will be in a few minutes to put those empty frames back in the hive.  I will be glad when they finish the job.   :)

  
Posted by: Katsy, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:09am; Reply: 24
You can put bleach on stings to help stop the sting reaction and itching. I'm not sure if that will help stop or ward off an allergic reaction, but I've used that little trick numerous times, and it's like the sting never happened. The bleach and bee stings are acid vs. base, so put 'em together, and they neutralize each other. It has to be done fairly soon after the sting, so it's probably too late now to be much help; but maybe next time it might work. Of course, I don't know about pouring bleach onto his mouth...  :P :o :-/ ;D
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:17am; Reply: 25
Katsy, we live in an acreage with our own 'green' sewer and rain water systems.  So, no bleach or chemicals allowed to enter this property, (naughty)  except for fuel for one of the cars (the other one hybrid) and ride on mower (yes we do have a grass patch we want to keep low and property not big enough for cows or sheep breeding, I guess we are guilty of using the best that green and not so green worlds can offer).  Thanks for your suggestion, vinegar is acid too, may be a better alternative?   :)
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:25am; Reply: 26
OK, can breathe now!!  They have just finished, the bees are happier with their empty frames, now they can concentrate on what they love to do, collect pollen and bring it to the hive to make honey for themselves and us.  Nearly 30Kg of honey in 9 frames, we love the stuff (although I am on a honeyless period for the time being).  It will sit in a corner for a few days, wait for any wax to come to the top, scoop it up and make wax blocks.  Got to start candle and soap making with the wax.  I may start another thread to see what people does with it.

No more stings, we will relax now with a cup of coffee (I wonder if OK with the meds he is having?) and barley, soy flour and rice flour mixture pancakes (mix prepared earlier this morning) with mapple syrup for me and honey for the rest.   :) :)  Wish all you helpful people were here to join us!!
Posted by: Symbi, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:48am; Reply: 27
Probably coffee is good, he needs adrenalin to fight it off, the meds may make him drousy if anything (though some people / kids they make hyper! including mine  :().  Antihistamine may kill his appetite for food, and lower his stomach acid, so coffee may help.

Meant to say last night to keep the head elevated, but that happens naturally on a pillow anyway!

The pancakes sound great.  Have fun with your friend!  The melons must have been  :( they didn't get a feel.   :) ;D
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 2:39am; Reply: 28
Cristina, that would be baking soda;  not baking powder.  :-)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:55am; Reply: 29
I was stung in the wrist in September.  The local swelling lasted for about one week.  But it started to dwindle after about three days.  (I obstinately decided to not treat it.)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:58am; Reply: 30
right
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1257576923/s-0/#num19
Posted by: Mohairandsilk, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:27am; Reply: 31
:o on the lip  :o
I met bees too closely as a child but the worst was on my ear !

My grand father put earwax on the inflamation from time to time and it was gone within 2 days...
With my goats, I learnt that any "bite" (insect or snake) can be healed with vitamine C (best is ascorbic acid), oral and local.
My goats were attacked by wasps this summer ; I gave vit C, and homeo : Histaminum 9ch and apis mellifica 9ch ; 6 hours later, nothing to see anymore.

A picture for YOUR collection of ... howlers ?!

Have a fine evening
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:45am; Reply: 32
And here we were at the hospital, little Analiah with her injured hand being checked into, while dear hubby sat with his fat lip in the waiting room looking after our bags.  He is OK, I am glad I am keeping an eye on him though, when we came back from the hospital (re-last post on DD and DGD's accident), he was going to have another one of those pills, he already had one in the morning, meant to have them at night!!  No wonder he was falling asleep at the hospital.  He will be OK though, maybe a bit dazzled, if the lip goes down enough, I would like him to stop having those drawsey things.  Maybe the fact that we did not get a chance to have that cup of coffee earlier, may have something to do with it making him sleepy.  And I still got to have my supps for the day!! I'll do it now, do not want to undo the good job Swami is doing for me. :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:12am; Reply: 33
highest amounts of calcium and vitamin C are the antidots against picures of insects...= natural antihistaminica.....(smarty)dito the aminoacid l'methionine seems to be fine for such issues .... :D
Posted by: Katsy, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 1:31pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Cristina
Thanks for your suggestion, vinegar is acid too, may be a better alternative?   :)


No -- when I wrote my original response, I couldn't remember if bleach was an acid or a base -- I just remembered that it was the opposite of whatever the bee sting was.  ;D Now I've looked it up, and found that it is a base, so adding vinegar won't work! So, if you can find some sort of strong base other than bleach, you can try that.  :)
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:39pm; Reply: 35
baking soda
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 7:45pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Victoria
baking soda

Will chase it at the supermarket   :)

Posted by: Possum, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:29pm; Reply: 37
I hope things are continuing to improve?? ;) I gotta admit I have two slightly "bemusing" :-/ :o pictures of you guys...the sorry pic of the two injured ones at hospital - hope the "fat lip" and the injured hand didn't look too much like they may have been connected? Just as well it wasn't the other way round, with a black eye thrown in for good measure ??)
And you Cristina "chasing" baking soda at the supermarket??!! I am imagining the packets with legs & possibly wings, flying around... :-/ ;)
All the best for today!!! How did you cope with visitors as well as all this??!! ??) ::)
Posted by: Chandon, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:42pm; Reply: 38
I wonder if 'stinging' nettles would help!  ;)

I'm glad to hear he is better. That is really scary.
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:43pm; Reply: 39
;D ;D ;D , this sort of daily injection of turning predicaments into healthy laughs helps.  And I thank you for helping keep dosage up for us.   :) :)

Well, I am discussing the living with a different blood type visitor, probably under my Swami thread.  Different topic to this one that has been moved somewhere else...  C U there.  ;)  :)
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:25am; Reply: 40
Quoted from Victoria
baking soda


Well, it looks like I will not need to do any chasing!!  Your baking soda, is our Bi-carb soda!!  

Two things from this:  First, I am glad I do have these items readily available in my pantry, always naturally stocking on it because, that is what I use for green cleaning at home.

Second: you guessed it, this info will go to the Research thread and Summary thread to make it easier for future reference.  Remind me to do it if I forget, or go ahead and post it there yourselves.  A bit busy now thinking what to feed my O guest ...

Here is the link on the baking/bi-carb soda nomenclature:

http://aww.ninemsn.com.au/food/cookingtips/790073/baking-soda-bicarb-soda-baking-powder-whats-the-difference   :) :)



Posted by: Cristina, Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:30am; Reply: 41
... and DH's fat lip, no more.  You can hardly notice it now.  Great!, no more sleepy tablets .... Now concentrate on boosting his immune system with diet and helpful info from here.

Learnt a lot from this episode ... Thanks   :) :)
Posted by: Possum, Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:42am; Reply: 42
That's great on all fronts & glad you are getting some experience in feeding an 'O' ;D ;D :D
Posted by: Symbi, Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:05am; Reply: 43
You couldn't dream all that up could you?  What a story.  Glad his lip went down, so he can give you lip again (must have been hard to talk).   :o you're still researching for the food thread through all this  :)

Surprised you couldn't get coffee easily at the hospital since the health department recently told the overworked hospital staff to take caffeine to manage their workload.   :-/ :P  Couldn't believe that.

I've got a little container to take my supplements with me on outings.  People look at you funny sometimes and probably wonder if they shook you would you rattle  ??) but that's their problem.
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