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Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 26, 2009, 2:11am
To help us with our Sea Bream/Porgy research, could you please check your Swami lists and tell us if Porgy and Sea Bream have the same or different ratings.  

You can post your findings here, or, if you want to know the background about this, visit 'Food choices for Australians' thread, posts 307-9 on page 13, posting your interpretation of the issue.

Much appreciated. :) :)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Monday, October 26, 2009, 2:35am; Reply: 1
Sea bream is a diamond
Porgy is a superfood.

Porgy is caught off the North Carolina coast.

I am about 250 km from the coast.
Neither fish is commonly sold in stores near me.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 26, 2009, 2:35am; Reply: 2
both SB in mine yet separate
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 26, 2009, 3:09am; Reply: 3
So, it remains an enigma what swami sea bream is.  Although we have established that PAGELLUS BOGARAVEO, which Typebase calls Porgy, is the BlackSpot SeaBream according to my research and all referenced links.

Which is the SeaBream in Swami?  There are many fish out there called Sea bream entangling sientific names and common names with different species:

I researched Pagrus Pagrus before, but look at this link:
http://data.gbif.org/species/13533889

Reg Porgy or Pagrus pagrus is also common seabream, but that points to our Snapper!!

PS: be off the air for a few hours, dentist appt (last amalgam removal)  :( :) :)
Posted by: Possum, Monday, October 26, 2009, 4:50am; Reply: 4
PS: be off the air for a few hours, dentist appt (last amalgam removal) good on you & all the best!! I have yet to start on mine... :o :P
Couldn't help smiling - :D The title "Swami rating of Porgy and Sea Bream" sound like it could be talking about people on here... by their nicknames :-/ ;) ::) :D
Thanks again for all your work here...;)
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 26, 2009, 6:47am; Reply: 5
Posum, you always make me laugh, we love you at home!!!   ;D ;D ;D :)

And yes, everything went fine, it was only a small one, still had to get local and mouth is a bit numb, DS is cooking dinner tonight!, time to relax ... with a nice glass of red organic mellow I bought!!  Cheers...

and let the Porgies be breamed into relevation of their true identity!!!  8) ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: Possum, Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:48am; Reply: 6
Quoted from Cristina
Posum, you always make me laugh, we love you at home!!!   ;D ;D ;D :)

And yes, everything went fine, it was only a small one, still had to get local and mouth is a bit numb, DS is cooking dinner tonight!, time to relax ... with a nice glass of red organic mellow I bought!!  Cheers...

and let the Porgies be breamed into relevation of their true identity!!!  8) ;D ;D ;D

Absolutely brilliant!!!! ;D Glad I make you smile!!  ;)
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, October 26, 2009, 2:43pm; Reply: 7
Since the source for the vast majority of nutritional data is the USDA nutrient database; and since it is what they are using for that listing that matters; I suggest you do your research through or around the USDA.

Here is a search page that I pulled up with several potentially helpful pages/sites:  http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=usda+sea+bream&ei=utf-8&fr=b1ie7

Included at some of the sites are the scientific names for the various species. This should help you find out which fish is which.
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:36pm; Reply: 8
Lloy, thanks for your input. Robot seabream is one I have not seen before, we can now add that one to the already long list of possible seabreams we have been debating on for the last few weeks and also used in your lists of links:  is it the Gilthead seabream, or the red seabream or it could be the sheepshead seabream, how about the Western Atlantic seabream, the yellowtail seabream.  They all use the common name seabream. We have been using links to ITIS, government departments, aquaculture groups, and then Typebase.  The interpretation of descriptors and the confusion created by the posting of wrong scientific names against food items.  Check post 307 under Food choices for Australians and many other posts there.  

Lloyd, I am not sure where you are situated, but you sure have been in this forum for a long time (over 4000 posts already, congratulations!!) and your expertise on the subject is very much appreciated.  So, what do you get when you go to the shops to buy your seabream (provided it is in your Swami or GT).  Do you eat seabream at all?  If you do, your input in our research thread will be highly appreciated.  We are trying to do the right thing down under while expanding our food choices. Sea breams are very popular here too and we would like to place it wisely in our diets. Thanks.   :) :)
Posted by: Lloyd, Monday, October 26, 2009, 11:11pm; Reply: 9
Cristina, don't think I've ever had any nor do I recall ever seeing any, unless it went under another name.  :)

The suggestion to try different search terms is one that may be of use, along with the knowledge that the USDA will normally be the nutritional data source for Dr D's algorythms.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 12:42am; Reply: 10
When I looked at the USDA material on sea bream it looked like most sea bream sold in the US would be farm raised. I am not sure if this is correct.
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