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Posted by: Jumari, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 9:16am
Well, the day finaly did come and go. I did see Jason the Naturopath with a few reservations, one being that I am not made of money. But I thought that my peace of mind was worth it.

Jason Mallia did receive accredited training from NAP about 3 years ago. He even has a photo of DR D standing next to him on a wall and refers to him as Peter. Go Jase.

He was a really nice guy like Jenny said but he is understandably still with the Book version of the Genotype diet and strongly advocated that it was enough to just do the Advance calculator at the end of the book. I explained the Swami Xpress version of the diet and stressed the fact that it was a more dynamic version diet as compared to the book. And pointed out just how important it was to be 100% accurate or you could wind up with the wrong Genotype for the rest of your life. He said that he understood and that he would be more than happy to measure and re-measure as many time as I wanted. I thought...We're off to a good start Doc.

To cut a long story short I did confirm some wrong measurements and right ones too. For one, I though that my tendons were visible. Wrong!!!

I thought upper and lower where almost equal. Make sure you don't measure to the bottom of the ankle bump on the foot as that will give you a wrong reading. Wrong!!!

Cephalic width is something that is important to address as in my opinion the book drawing is misleading. As it shows a picture of a man measuring from the middle of the skull when it should be closer to upper ear level or like I mentioned elsewhere,  just before the ear cavity starts to dip.

He confirmed my Pecocks eyes on the ring fingers.

He confirmed my square jaw.

Then we went online and I showed him Swami Xpress and I re-entered some of my measurements. Lucky for Bob in NAP, the time locked ones were right.

And lo and Behold....Swami said Teacher.

But then I showed him some of the other questions and he suggested a test he has to further answer some of the Health history questions. So I cringed and said yes why not and felt the hole in my pocket get a little bigger.  Anyway, it was a computer test involving placing my bare hands and feet on steel plates connected to a computer. Plus two diodes or rubber suckers on my forehead. It took 3 minutes and I got my results. He claims that it had an 98% accuracy rating.

Then came the bad news. I do have bowel and digestion , urinal and liver problems / issues and even possible chronic fatigue. So we entered that info into Swami and Shazam, I'm an Explorer again. Which is fine as I know that the explorer diet will probably be the safest and once the liver situation improves I'll be a Teacher again.

Last of all he organized a Lewis blood group appointment and also strongly recomended that I do a thorough blood test, including blood count and a few other things I never heard of. And for me to come back when the results are ready.

So there you have it. Glad I went. And we now await the next phase. The saga continues....May the force be with you..And may I win the Lottery next week..


Posted by: shells, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 11:57am; Reply: 1
Jumari,

You are so fortunate to be able to find someone BT/GT oriented to help you!  Sydney is just too far away and not practical for me, unfortunately.  

When counting the dollars just remember that you cannot put a price on health   ;)

Cheers
Posted by: Cristina, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 8:43pm; Reply: 2
Second that Shells, too far for us too.  Jumari good work on the doc. Now you have the piece of mind that you are definetely in the right track!!  Keep us informed of your progress.

In the meantime, Shell, Jenny and other Queenslanders, we will continue in our search for that elusive doc!! :)
Posted by: Jenny, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:14pm; Reply: 3
Loved your story Jumari, can't wait for the next episode. 8)
Posted by: Jumari, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:20pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from shells
Jumari,

You are so fortunate to be able to find someone BT/GT oriented to help you!  Sydney is just too far away and not practical for me, unfortunately.  

When counting the dollars just remember that you cannot put a price on health   ;)

Cheers


Cristina and Shells...

That last sentence says it all.

Flights from Brisbane to Sydney are so very cheap these days, not to mention quick. You can get a reurn flight from Brissy to Sydney for $120 Aud.

Why don't you fly over, stay a couple of days and see the doctor. You might even be able to fly over, see the doctor and return on the same day. I think the flight is only about 90 minutes.

Just a thought.
Posted by: Cristina, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:56pm; Reply: 5
Still too far for us, I do not think we are saying that we are disregarding it altogether, particularly when Dr Jason has offered phone consultations as well to help, but it is still very inconvenient for us.  Add trips to the airport (mad traffic in Brissy), parking time, have to get there 1hr or more earlier, arrange accommodation and leaves from work or home duties ....

This forum is a better substitute for me at the moment, only because my current health challenges are manageable this way and I am progressing wonderfully.  Should the situation change in the opposite direction, of course, not only the trip to Sydney will be considered, but the trip to Dr D himself will get a lot of focus from me!!!

So, you are indeed very blessed with having your doc in your home town.  We will find ours too.  Shell, if you find a good one in Brissi, let me know, I do not mind the 1.5hr drive to brissie for maintaining a good grip on my health.

:) :)
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:01am; Reply: 6
Quoted Text
It took 3 minutes and I got my results. He claims that it had an 98% accuracy rating.


.......and the test was........?
to measure what?  :)
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:28am; Reply: 7
The test was to measure
1. Stomach tissue state
2. Ascending Colon
3. Descending Colon
4. Liver and Gallbladder
5. Pancreas
6. Bladder
7. Cardiovascular system cross analysis
8. Brain System cross analysis
9. Hormonal system cross analysis
10. General metabolic functions cross analysis
11. Respiratory system cross analysis

If I'm not mistaken the test is called a Bio Impedence Measurement.
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, October 2, 2009, 12:35am; Reply: 8
Lola...Ikeep forgetting to ask you. How do we find out about our;

Ancertral DNA Genetics - Part 2 of the Swami ?

Looks pretty complex to me. The Naturopath wasn't sure of this one.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:26am; Reply: 9
Maldo knows all there is to know on this one! :)
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:40am; Reply: 10
Maaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllldddddddddddddddooooooooooooooo.....where are you?
Posted by: Symbi, Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:44am; Reply: 11
Hi Jumari,

It will be worth it, that's good information long as you trust the machine that goes Ping (Monty Python reference!).  Does that feel right what it told you?

If you're going to get a full blood count done, that should be covered my Medicare through your GP, everyone should have one of those once a year or so.  I bet one of the other tests he suggested was Liver Function Test, anti-gliandin (to see if you've got celiac disease (50% of celiacs have that antibody)).  Through your GP you could have a hydrogen breath test (to check for bacterial overgrowth - common for Teachers) too.
What other tests did he recommend?  You could google those to see what they check for.  

I wonder if the lewis type test will go through pathlabs as they seem to be the only ones who do it, hope it doesn't include saliva test cos you've already had one show you're a secretor.

So back to explorer hey?  You've done that before okay.
I've been getting into Spelt bread, loving it!  Tastes great! Going to start making it hopefully it will rise and won't fall into a heap.  Fingers crossed
Posted by: Jenny, Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:03am; Reply: 12
Lewis test is a blood test. Jason uses a lab at Nth Ryde, not pathlab
Posted by: Jumari, Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:39am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Jenny
Lewis test is a blood test. Jason uses a lab at Nth Ryde, not pathlab


Thats what he told me too.

With regards to the tests. Heres whats on my list; (I can't believe that naturopaths have worse hand writing than medical doctors)

FBC, LFT, BSC or BSL?, PSD?, CPP, PHEA? He did mention a full blood count.

And as a matter of fact I did agree with a lot of the Ping Machine findings. I had suspicions about a couple of them.

I tend to think of Little Britian the TV show when I use Swami. There is a skit they do where the chubby guy is a receptionist and when someone asked her/it a question. He/she types it into the computer and responds. "Computer says no". Bit like that with Swami isn't it.

Would you believe that I cracked one of my left molars while chewing on an Adzuki bean yesterday. It took a quarter of the tooth off. Maybe I should have left them sulking for 2 nights intead of 1.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, October 3, 2009, 9:41pm; Reply: 14
Would you believe that I cracked one of my left molars while chewing on an Adzuki bean yesterday. It took a quarter of the tooth off. Maybe I should have left them sulking for 2 nights intead of 1. Ouch :o Who exactly is doing the "sulking" ;) If it was me..I would be if I had to add a dental bill to all you are spending already :-/
Btw, how much does this Dr charge? I come to Sydney occasionally...:-/
Love that Little Britain skit!! I have to bite my tongue every time I tell a customer 'I'll just check on the computer for you' ;)
Posted by: eh, Saturday, October 3, 2009, 9:59pm; Reply: 15


I tend to think of Little Britian the TV show when I use Swami.  "Computer says no". Bit like that with Swami isn't it.
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(funny)

(Sounds like my mac , literally.)
Posted by: Jumari, Sunday, October 4, 2009, 12:29am; Reply: 16
Possum...the Naturopath charges $95 Aud for 1/2 hour. Because of my additional tests I paid a total of $190. And yes I am sulking about my tooth and dreading to find out how much it will cost me. It seems as though I'm getting all this info letting me know that my body is definitely feeling the wear and tear of time. Even my eyesight started failing only about 6 months ago, I was lost and had a hard time reading the street directory. Thats when I first noticed it.

But all together I am coping with it all. I'm open to accepting that it is all part of ageing. I am still in great shape compared to other 46 year olds that look 60. My partner on the other hand is having trouble coming to terms with some crows feet she has under her eyes and keeps on talking about botox. Not for me, I think wrinkles look good. Just take a look at this guy.

http://www.pbase.com/frim/image/26650381

Anyway I asked the computer and Computer said No. So thats that.

Hey eh, make sure you do whatever your mac tells you.
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, October 4, 2009, 12:46am; Reply: 17
[quote=5463]Possum...the Naturopath charges $95 Aud for 1/2 hour. Thanks!! Because of my additional tests I paid a total of $190. And yes I am sulking about my tooth and dreading to find out how much it will cost me. OUCH!! It seems as though I'm getting all this info letting me know that my body is definitely feeling the wear and tear of time. Even my eyesight started failing only about 6 months ago, I was lost and had a hard time reading the street directory. That's when I first noticed it. Isn't that just normal in your 40's as your retina changes shape or something, acording to my optometrist?? I am getting long sighted - started quite a few years ago... ;)But all together I am coping with it all. I'm open to accepting that it is all part of ageing. I am still in great shape compared to other 46 year olds that look 60. My partner on the other hand is having trouble coming to terms with some crows feet she has under her eyes and keeps on talking about botox. Not for me, I think wrinkles look good. Just take a look at this guy.http://www.pbase.com/frim/image/26650381   lol I don't think your partner would be too happy to know you thought that... ::)but on the other hand...maybe she should be happy... :-/
Posted by: Symbi, Sunday, October 4, 2009, 2:38am; Reply: 18
FBC, LFT, BSC or BSL?, PSD?, CPP, PHEA? He did mention a full blood count.

Can understand the first two but can't make sense of the others.  Here's a great site to search for what tests are:
http://labtestsonline.org.au/understanding/analytes/cbc/faq.html

Man, he's definately a Dr with writing that bad!

Thanks for telling us the fees for the Naturopath.  Will have to start saving up.
Sorry about your tooth! :'( Hope it doesn't hurt too much and you can get it fixed quickly.

Love the wrinkled dog pic.  He's so gorgeous.  :) You have a good attitude to aging.  I look forward to aging gracefully as a priviledge of experience and knowledge.  Now I got that song "You aint nothing but a hound dog, crying all the time..." in my head!  

Posted by: Jumari, Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:58am; Reply: 19
With all these expenses I'm considering getting private health insurance. Does anyone have any advise for me. Is it a good idea?

GW...it should be,  you ain't nothing but a wrinkly hound dog, creasing all the time...
Posted by: Possum, Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:15am; Reply: 20
Quoted from Jumari
With all these expenses I'm considering getting private health insurance. Does anyone have any advise for me. Is it a good idea?

Our daughter is very thorough/methodical & says she researched Aus Insurance Co's & found RAC to be the best... :-/  ;) She's certainly had some great claims paid over the years (a lot medical)
Quoted from Jumari
GW...it should be,  you ain't nothing but a wrinkly hound dog, creasing all the time...

:D :D :D
Posted by: Jumari, Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:51am; Reply: 21
Just got my blood test results;

Lewis group = A-B+
Subtype = A1
MN Group = M-M+

And according to Jason, the Lewis group confirms that I am a secretor. So that leaves no doubt about that. I wasn't expecting to be able to get the other two blood groups done here in NSW but now we don't have to go to Melbourne.

After entering the data. I am back to being 38% Teacher and more confident than ever about it. So I am now going to enter my subtype to my avatar and get on with it.

I also am awaiting results for another medical blood test which I shall get in about 3 days.
Posted by: Jenny, Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:25am; Reply: 22
Quoted from Jumari
Just got my blood test results;

Lewis group = A-B+
Subtype = A1
MN Group = M-M+

And according to Jason, the Lewis group confirms that I am a secretor. So that leaves no doubt about that. I wasn't expecting to be able to get the other two blood groups done here in NSW but now we don't have to go to Melbourne.

After entering the data. I am back to being 38% Teacher and more confident than ever about it. So I am now going to enter my subtype to my avatar and get on with it.

I also am awaiting results for another medical blood test which I shall get in about 3 days.

Congratulations Jumari, so good to get all those results.
Ghee Whiz, you may like to get an actual quote by phone from Jason as it may well be that the tests you choose are different to the ones that Jumari did. :)

Posted by: Jumari, Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:46am; Reply: 23
Thanks Jenny. Looks like we are both A1 types. Did that change your diet. Which of the 2 Subtypes is allowed more meat?

I was amazed that with my fish and dairy. Swami just removed everything from the neutral column and put it mostly on my superfoods. Which is brilliant because just about every fish and most of my favorite cheeses are now superfoods.

Unfortunately Ghee Whiz, Hake is a toxin. And ofcourse the usual prawns, eel, crab, lobster and even scallops etc. But the main fish varieties are in. Like Tuna and Salmon which makes life so much easier.

I now also have a ton more carbs to chose from. Even white bread is a neutral.

We're off to a good start.
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:48am; Reply: 24
A2 on BTD, depending on GT you might or might not get the meat....
but knowing about your physiology is always good....

glad you now know for sure!
Posted by: Jumari, Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 7:00am; Reply: 25
Thanks Lola. Now that you say that, I've noticed that my weekly red meat portions have dropped to 1 instead of three. As a teacher all I have is Lamb, Goat and Mutton as black dots anyway. So no big loss I suppose.
Posted by: Symbi, Thursday, October 8, 2009, 4:52am; Reply: 26
Yeah! Jumari, great to know this stuff.  More Hake in the sea, good  ;)  Glad you're confident of your SWAMI now and like the food list.  That's great having Tuna and Salmon (easy to find and yummy too!)  Maybe you could search this website to see the meaning of A1 MM and A-B+, it will be interesting.

Thanks Jenny, it will take me a while to get the $ together to get any testing done unfortunately though !
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 8, 2009, 5:09am; Reply: 27
some interesting threads on MM and other homozygous types
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/admin_config.pl?read=86625
Posted by: Squirrel, Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:16am; Reply: 28
Very interesting about the Explorer -> Teacher -> Explorer thing. My DH was a GTD Teacher, but when we did the SWAMI, he's an Explorer. Then we played by taking out the family and personal history, and bingo - Teacher. So the gastro stuff must be the part that tips the scale.

Re: ageing, I always tell people that if the lines are smile lines, I don't care how many show.

"Computer says No" (dance)
Posted by: Jumari, Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:22am; Reply: 29
5. With regard to many of these factors, it is not as important to determine if you are A1 or A2 as much as it is to determine your MN status. Type A's with the MM blood group will have even more likelihood of their immune system being derailed by blood-group-like tumor antigens.

Bad news for type A? Not really. I wish I understood other disease succeptibilties in other blood groups as well.


Pretty clear message isn't it.

With regards to me beign confident with my Swami. Well, I just realized that if I change my Myers-Brigg setting I'm back to being an explorer. So I have to make sure about chosing the right columns. There are a couple of them that I am a little unsure of. Like I like to party but I also derive energy from being alone and love to meditate.

But for now. My best attempt at it puts me down as an ESTJ. I've done it over and over again and this one is the one I seem to end up with the most. But I still find it hard to believe that mental inclinations and or preferences / characteristics have such a high impact on Genotype.

The other thing that keeps me returning to Explorer is ticking the liver problems box in the Health History section. This is one that Dr. Mallia said I should tick after my Bio magnetic test. He even made me tick the chronic fatigue box. Saying that he suggest that I leave that ticked for now as well.

My next blood test included some liver tests. Both my arms have been jabbed for blood now in less than a week.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, October 8, 2009, 9:41pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Jumari

With regards to me beign confident with my Swami. Well, I just realized that if I change my Myers-Brigg setting I'm back to being an explorer. So I have to make sure about chosing the right columns. There are a couple of them that I am a little unsure of. Like I like to party but I also derive energy from being alone and love to meditate.

But for now. My best attempt at it puts me down as an ESTJ. I've done it over and over again and this one is the one I seem to end up with the most. But I still find it hard to believe that mental inclinations and or preferences / characteristics have such a high impact on Genotype.


Maybe think of it the other way around. Your GenoType could influence your mental inclinations.

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To confirm ESTJ, there are several other free Myers Briggs tools on line. Perhaps try one on another site. For instance:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp


Posted by: Cristina, Thursday, October 8, 2009, 11:31pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from Jumari
...

But for now. My best attempt at it puts me down as an ESTJ. I've done it over and over again and this one is the one I seem to end up with the most. But I still find it hard to believe that mental inclinations and or preferences / characteristics have such a high impact on Genotype....


I used to think the same way, but then, when I received a free Secretory IgA test by mistake, the results there showed me how stress can influence the chemical making of our body, affecting blood, organs etc. etc. etc.  Are our personalities the type that when facing things that we do not like we hold everything inside (churning in) or everything slides off without disturbing us one bit? How we behave and think all the time is molding what is happening inside ourselves.

What is first, the chicken or the egg?  It does not really matter, whether your genes make you react or act in a certain way, or our reactions or actions decide our genes, the fact is that Dr D has opened up the path to put us in control.  

Some of us maybe in a 'state of mind' all the time and it may be then easier to define us in a specific Myers group.  But, for those of us that are unsure, knowing that we can be in this or that group, is all part of being in control and acting accordingly including adapting our diet to different genotype groups (is all a label anyway).  

If personality is what makes you fall in one or other group, I'll produce lists for the probably genotype labels I may find myself in synergy with depending on the situation, and restrict myself to their specific food lists.  They (the food lists) would have been designed to ensure we get the most out of our life.

:) :)
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, October 9, 2009, 11:47pm; Reply: 32
I just did the alternative test that C-sharp suggested and got ENFP instead of ESTJ.

After entering that info I'm back to Explorer.

The thing that confuses me is the fact that my personality and preferences have changed quite dramatically over the years. I was your typical fun loving and extroverted Leo. But in the last 7 or so years I have undergone a profound spiritual transformation. Since I've discovered meditation and read/listened to books by Eckhart Tolle and others, I have mellowed and my perspectives and  outlooks have changed.

Additionally, isn't it common for people to "mellow out" or sometimes become grumpy with old age. Is an old Leo who used to be the center of attention at parties now to be considered an introvert because he/she prefers to spend time alone. Do extroverts eat more than introverts? Or vice versa?

Unfortunately for me, the fact that I am of a low GT % of Either 38% Teacher or 38% Explorer. Any slight change in the Health History section will sway me one way or the other. And there are certain staple foods that move from being Superfoods to Black dots / toxins and/or the other way around.

After all the measurements and locking box info have been entered into the Swami. The only variables I have left are; Medical History, Myers-Briggs Personality type and the obvious ones such as Weight and waist measurements. So that puts a lot of weight on making the right Myers-Briggs selection.

Someone like Jenny from Canberra, who is a 70% Warrior would not be affected by her Myers-Briggs selection. She would most probably still be a warrior.

I am not for one second disputing the validity of the test and the weight it carries in determining Genotypes. I have to say that I have every confidence in Dr D, his Father and his Team and greatly appreciate and value the amount of work that went into the research, the testing and the compiling of all the info into a neat little package called Swami Xpress. It's mind blowing and ahead of its time.

From my own individual perspective, it is a gray area due to the reasons I've presented above. Would I be better off leaving it out? Or am I better off picking the one with the highest average?
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:43am; Reply: 33
That is perplexing & a tad frustrating Jumari...Can't answer your questions, except to agree that yes you do/can mellow out as you get older!! Things may become more settled with the maturity of years;) Whether that's hormonal (lessening of??) possibly the effect & security of being in a longer term relationship or something else, or more probably a combination of a number of such factors, I don't quite know:-/
goodluck getting the answers you need... ;)
Posted by: Jenny, Saturday, October 10, 2009, 2:07am; Reply: 34
Quoted from Jumari
I just did the alternative test that C-sharp suggested and got ENFP instead of ESTJ.

After entering that info I'm back to Explorer.

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Someone like Jenny from Canberra, who is a 70% Warrior would not be affected by her Myers-Briggs selection. She would most probably still be a warrior.






Dear Jumari, do not stress about this. You are not an 'Explorer' or a 'Teacher'.

You are you, and your swami will have taken the closeness of the above into consideration, and popped up with the appropriate foods, regardless of label.
Personally i would not enter the Myer-Briggs as i have not had it done professionally.

Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, October 10, 2009, 4:19am; Reply: 35
Quoted from Cristina


If personality is what makes you fall in one or other group, I'll produce lists for the probably genotype labels I may find myself in synergy with depending on the situation, and restrict myself to their specific food lists.  They (the food lists) would have been designed to ensure we get the most out of our life.

:) :)


Quoted from Jumari

Unfortunately for me, the fact that I am of a low GT % of Either 38% Teacher or 38% Explorer. Any slight change in the Health History section will sway me one way or the other. And there are certain staple foods that move from being Superfoods to Black dots / toxins and/or the other way around.


I will put more effort in completing the health history section if that is what may sway me into one or other genotype.  Then produce the listing from it and compare it, as mentioned in my previous posting, to the other results produced with the Briggs input.

Or, as Jenny mentioned earlier, if the Briggs results are so closed and they are stressing you, just do not use them.  Remember, stress is the silent churning thing that we should try to keep off.

Review the situation after a while if you notice troublesome signs in your health.

What you are currently doing besides the diet with your meditation and reading, is fantastic and will help you maintain optimal health or speedy recoveries when needed.   :)
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