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Posted by: Jumari, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:27am
Well I'm happy to report that I finally got my Swami. I have to ask though...Why can't we just get the account number, username and password over the internet and pay for it with a credit card?

Anyway I entered my infor and was completely shocked when I came out as a 38% Warrior. I'm 5'3" short. Anyway I then double checked my measurements and had a bit of trouble with the Cephalic index measurements. Every time I measure I get a different measurement, I have long hair so it makes it a bit harder. I can only guess where the widest part of my head is. But the thing that made me stand back was the realization that when I changed my head width measurement by just a couple of millimeters I became an Explorer. This is why I found it to be so sensitive. Which is good but at the same time, those measurements have to be exact or else you risk a completely wrong reading don't you? I might need to see a professional.

The one thing that really stood out though was the fact that I am now not even allowed spelt and sprouted wheat is a black dot. Maybe it was the spelt that was preventing me from losing weight as I was previously having an average of 3 servings a day. We shall see.

The other measurement I am not 100% sure of is the upper leg measurements. But that could also sway me one way or the other.

All else is good exept for;

A1 or A2 sub type
Lewis Blood Group
MN Blood Group

I'm sure you have been asked a 1000 times. Can I get these done outside the US, here in Australia. And more improtantly, would any of the 3 tests sway me definitively towards being a Warrior or and Explorer. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth taking them.

Last and most important question of all. How many times are you allowed to edit and save as I've already done it 12 times on my first day.

So very sorry for so many questions. I just want to get going with things.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:44am; Reply: 1
call NAP about any questions concerning their policies regarding swami.


take a look at the practitioner registry to find one near you perhaps.
and ask about serotyping panel and secretor testing in your locality.

have someone in your family take your measurements.

Posted by: Cristina, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 3:48am; Reply: 2
Jumari,
Thanks for posting those questions here.  They are absolutely valid, particularly for newies like me.  I hope my Swami is in the post  today, I have not gone to collect  it yet, too busy chasing my secretor status situation on the other thread.  It has been finaly sorted out though.  They made a mistake.

PathLab in Melbourne will be able to do these tests for you, as long as you clarify exactly what is that you want (in view of what happened to me before).  But they are very helpful and you will have the results within 10 days or so.

Their details:

PathLab 03 88313000

Phone them and ask to talk to a technician in the Clinical lab for saliva or blood tests (depending on what you are after).  I think it was one of their clerks that got messed up with my tests. The lab technician will know better.
Posted by: glamour, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 4:00am; Reply: 3
Struck me funny too to pay shipping to get a account number? That could have all been done online (instantly). I was thinking it was going to be a dvd or something, lololol.
Posted by: Jumari, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 6:59am; Reply: 4
Oh no. Now it seems as though there is a Time lock function. So my upper leg measurment is stuck, why didn't anyone mention this. I plan on seeing a professional about my measurements and re-entering as needed.
Posted by: Jenny, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 7:36am; Reply: 5
Jason Mallia(naturopath) in Leichhart can arrange for a Lewis test. I used Path lab in Melbourne for most things that you have mentioned. Bad luck about the locking.
Posted by: Jumari, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 7:41am; Reply: 6
Thanks Jenny. Would you happen to have his number?

God I hope I am given a chance to unlock it after I've double checked.
Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:56am; Reply: 7
You can get them un- locked I think- just contact NAP

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I have to ask though...Why can't we just get the account number, username and password over the internet and pay for it with a credit card?


I agree it would be so much easier for us non americanos ;)
Posted by: Jumari, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:03am; Reply: 8
Has anyone else had problems with the Time Lock, I'm getting really worried now. Shouldn't there be a great big warning in Large bold red letters saying that certain boxes will be locked after a certain time? Does this mean that I have to buy another Swami?
Posted by: Cristina, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:02am; Reply: 9
Jumari, I posted this earlier on the other thread when you asked me the question too:

Here it is again:

Jason Mallia  IMD ND B.HSc Dr Sc
Integrative Natural Medicine
Doctor of Integrative Medicine (USA)
Doctor of Science (AM)
MATMS MIFHI MAAOH MNHAA  
Master Blood Type Clinician (USA)

P/f 9518 1253
Unit 1 40 Norton St Leichhardt NSW 2040
http://www.integratedhealth.com.au
naturopath@integratedhealth.com.au

It gets harder and harder to keep up with all our postings as more and more people participates in the forum.  It is a wonderful problem to have, it is wonderful to see the buzz of activity around here!!
I have not have problems with the time lock, but then I may not have changed things as often as you.  I am sure that Nap will help you and one would think that you should not have to buy another swami, that will be outrageous!!

Once all these things get sorted out, then your,(our) lives will be so much easier with the shopping lists, recipes, ingredients, exercises, portion sizes, all worked out for us at the flick of a mouse!!

Patience, deep breath, we are here for support in the same way you are there for us too.
Posted by: Jumari, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:17am; Reply: 10
Thanks a lot Cristina. Yes I am taking deep breaths even you yourself had an unpleasant experience with your secretor status. Hope that works out. I have emailed NAP for help. I will write the details down this time. I lost the other thread.

All I was doing was changing values to see how it affected my reading. I wouldn't have done it if I had known the consequences.
Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:05pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Jumari
Has anyone else had problems with the Time Lock, I'm getting really worried now. Shouldn't there be a great big warning in Large bold red letters saying that certain boxes will be locked after a certain time? Does this mean that I have to buy another Swami?


Contact Bob M at NAP if you need a time locked field reset.

Fields that are not time locked may be changed as often as you like.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:49pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Jumari

Anyway I entered my infor and was completely shocked when I came out as a 38% Warrior. I'm 5'3" short..



Andrea is 5'4".   ;)  I bet my mother was a Warrior too. She was 5'1" but she was feisty.  :D
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:49pm; Reply: 13
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Shouldn't there be a great big warning in Large bold red letters saying that certain boxes will be locked after a certain time?


read through the swami thread Dr D posted from the very beginning....
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to unlock
If you need to change some of the values stored in time locked fields, you can contact customer support at NAP and ask that they reset a field value for you so that you can enter the correct information.
Posted by: Jenny, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 9:40pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Jumari
Thanks Jenny. Would you happen to have his number?

God I hope I am given a chance to unlock it after I've double checked.


Integrated health,48 Norton St Leichhardt 2040    phone 9518 1253
http://www.integratedhealth.com.au    naturopath@integratedhealth.com.au

In another thread above it is mentioned that NAP can unlock fields on request.

Posted by: Jumari, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:02pm; Reply: 15
Well I was pleasantly surprised to get this email when I woke up.

Thank you for purchasing Swami XpressTM

Please note that time locked fields can not be changed by the user.
However, if you send us your Account Details (your name, account number, and user name) along with the changes requested, we will  update your Intake Profile Data with the changes.


Thanks Lola and Lloyd for reafirming that.

Thanks Jenny and Cristina for the Naturopaths phone number, I will ring him today.

Mayflower, I could be be either one. Even a feisty warrior, all depending on my cephalic index. Just not sure whether to measure just before the dips are for the ear canal or from above that. But at least  Andrea, if I'm not mistaken is a 5'4" female warrior but 5'3" wouldn't be too good for a male warrior. My direct ancerstors must have been in charge of axe and sword cleaning. Or some other none warriorlike duty. Maybe the axe or sword maker, thats even better. :B
Posted by: Jumari, Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 4:34am; Reply: 16
I've  booked an appointment with the Naturopath for next week. Not cheap at $95 for 1/2 hour. I'll let him do everything execpt for Blood type and Secretor status. Like the Irish say, to be sure, to be sure.
Posted by: Cristina, Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 4:51am; Reply: 17
Great Jumari,  let us know how you went then.  
Posted by: Jumari, Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 5:34am; Reply: 18
When I called this thread Sensitive Swami I didn't realize just how acurate the title was.

I now find that by changing the Myers Briggs status I could also be a teacher. If I choose it as an optional. I am a Teacher. Wow, I keep on taking one step forward and one step back. Honestly I don't find that I am 100% about any of the Myers Briggs column choices. There is a little of me in both. Am I better off having it as an optional?

When I have the Myers Briggs box set to optional, changing my cephalic index has no effect on my genotype, still a Teacher. What to do, What to do?
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 6:30pm; Reply: 19
I didn't realize the head measurements were to be so precise. I measured mine in a hurry. I know I have 'short' head, so I didn't think it had to be precise. Besides, it is kind of hard to measure at the precise spot.
My husband is a short man, but seems to be a warrior very much by behavior & his ratios/BT.
Remember, you can be a skinny gatherer or a hunter that struggles with weight. So, it is not stereotypical for each GT. Those are general things.  I remember last year I was in a group of maybe 200 people, & saw only one 'long head.' I'm sure there were more warriors there!
Posted by: Jumari, Thursday, September 24, 2009, 7:27am; Reply: 20
Mrs T O+...I suppose it depends on how close you are to other Genotypes. With me its pretty close. If I enter my cranium width to be 24 cm I'm a Warrior. If its 25 and up, I'm an explorer. So I can't afford any mistakes.

The strange thing is that my Myers/Briggs test overrides everything. If I don't chose anything. I'm a Teacher regardless of my Cranium width. Go figure.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:35pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Jumari
I suppose it depends on how close you are to other Genotypes. With me its pretty close. If I enter my cranium width to be 24 cm I'm a Warrior. If its 25 and up, I'm an explorer. So I can't afford any mistakes.



I think you can make mistakes. Of course one wants to avoid them. But in my experienceI whether a head measurement is 24 or 25 would create only small difference to the diet produced.  You can verify this by running it both ways.  Some foods may change slightly, but most stay the same.

What changes is a GenoType label.  This label is essentially meaningless in SWAMI.  The diet recommendations is what matter, not the label.

The percentage match figure also changes, but that is an internal figure used at an intermediate stage in creating the diet.  Again it will be the diet produced that is important not the percentage match that is important.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:55pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Jumari
Mayflower, I could be be either one. Even a feisty warrior, all depending on my cephalic index. Just not sure whether to measure just before the dips are for the ear canal or from above that. But at least  Andrea, if I'm not mistaken is a 5'4" female warrior but 5'3" wouldn't be too good for a male warrior. My direct ancerstors must have been in charge of axe and sword cleaning. Or some other none warriorlike duty. Maybe the axe or sword maker, thats even better. :B


How close are you to Explorer?  I sense Explorer. :)
Posted by: Jumari, Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:59pm; Reply: 23
Hi C-Sharp. The Genotype does change and some of the foods along with it. As an explorer I can have lamb and there are a couple of other things. As a Warrior I can have Tuna. So yes you are right it is slight but from my point of view having a red meat is a big deal, just for variety and availability. Also a few foods go from being superfoods to neutral and vice versa. I understand your explanation about going beyond genotypes as well. Thats why I don't mind too much that I still don't have it 100%. I pretty much try to stick to things that are diamonds for all three A group genotypes in the Jumari diet. Brocolli, Cod, Adzuki beans, lemon, lime, turkey, etc, etc. Thats the plan Stan.

Out of all the fishes listed I can only get a hold of less than 10 of them in a local fish shop, unless I travel to the Sydney fish market which is an hour away, not gonna happen.
.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, September 25, 2009, 1:13am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Jumari
Hi C-Sharp. The Genotype does change and some of the foods along with it. As an explorer I can have lamb and there are a couple of other things. As a Warrior I can have Tuna. So yes you are right it is slight but from my point of view having a red meat is a big deal, just for variety and availability.


Those changes are enough that I would want to try to distinguish between them.

For me it would be easy given that particular choice. I would go with warrior, since when I eat lamb I get headaches and have digestive trouble. I would choose a diet with Tuna and no lamb since I would feel better on it.  Obviously does not apply to you.

If it were just the head measurements that make the difference, I would try to have several people read the directions and take the measurements and see whether with more measurements one could discern the correct values.
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 1:52am; Reply: 25
Mayflowers...I feel closest to the Explorer GT. So many factors and characteristics to point me that direction. I am currently following a Swami Explorer diet until I get a second opinion on my measurements.
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 2:02am; Reply: 26
C-sharp....When I eat lamb I feel great... as a matter of fact I feel great when I eat beef as well. But although Beef is a neutral for the book version of the Explorer diet, it is currently a Toxin for me right now. Maybe its because I ticked the white lines. But I can live with that. Feeling good and confident about succeeding this time.


Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 10:11pm; Reply: 27
I've asked Bob from NAP to change my ring fingers to whorls since I discovered that I had Peacocks eyes. That just made me a Warrior. Watch out I'll bite your ankles off.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, September 25, 2009, 10:15pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Jumari
Watch out I'll bite your ankles off.


I thought human flesh was an avoid for all GenoTypes.

Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 10:32pm; Reply: 29
Not for Mini Warriors. We fight and eat, anyway we can.

I can't tell my partner because she gets upset when I'm anything but an Explorer. We both started out as happy carnivorous little A - Explorers eating the same food. But I decided to get my secretor test. This made me a Warrior. And all she would repeat all day with a mocking tone was "You're not a Warrior". So its a big secret. sshhhhh.

At the same time I could possible have more whorls after looking at the police finger print link. I just really need a second opinion, which I will get on Thursday. I won't bother Almighty Bob, who has been the best, with any uncertainties. The good news is that I have Warrior supplements just sitting on the table. So I might have them until thursday.
Posted by: Cristina, Friday, September 25, 2009, 10:40pm; Reply: 30
Jumari,
So, you are seeing Jason on Thursday?
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:00pm; Reply: 31
Yes I am.
Posted by: Cristina, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:05pm; Reply: 32
Great!!  Good luck.  Keep us posted. I wish we had one in Qld... ::) :)
Posted by: Jenny, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:08pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Jumari
Yes I am.


I hope you can get him to re-measure any of your measurements that you are doubtful about, and then you can re-enter them in swami. We found that he was rather fast in his measuring, so you may be able to convey how important this is to you. He is very knowledgeable and affable, so it should be really interesting.
Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:09pm; Reply: 34
Thats cause your 10 years behind over there.... ;) ;D
Posted by: Jenny, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:12pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Cristina
Great!!  Good luck.  Keep us posted. I wish we had one in Qld... ::) :)


Did I mention that there is a David Bridgeman on the Gold Coast, but I have lost his email address and details. I once had a conversation with about goji.You may be able to find him on the net, or the G.C. yellow pages under naturopathy/health etc.

Posted by: Jumari, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:17pm; Reply: 36
Jenny, when I spoke to him on the phone I got a little worried because. I mentioned that I really want an acurate skull measurement. He then asked me if I had my secretor status and blood type. I said yes, and then he said well thats all you need. He obviously is using the books advance calculator. I mentioned Swami Xpress and just how my genotype changes with my head measurements. I will most definitely slow him down and will ask for an average of 3 measurements on some of them.

Did he also give you a prop taster test and fingerprint analysis?
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:21pm; Reply: 37
David Bridgeman's details are as follows:
07 5570 1171 at Surfers Paradise.
Spark of Life Health Centers.
David Bridgeman who is apparently an old BTD
supporter has a naturopathic practice in
Robina on the Gold Coast.
Posted by: Cristina, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:23pm; Reply: 38
Good advice Jenny.  He did not know about SwamiXpress when I talked to him some time ago.  Also, I ended up ordering my home testing kit from Gina, together with some supplements...I am curious about the testing strips and what do I rate with them.
Posted by: Lola, Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:33pm; Reply: 39
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