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Posted by: Constantine, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:18am
I notice that SWAMI asks for your MB type (ISTJ, INTP, etc.)  Is this for research purposes or does this directly go into calculating your GenoType?

If the latter, it'd be interesting to know the correlations, particularly for the Nomad type.  But I don't remember reading about anything like this in the GenoType book.  Maybe I missed something....  Anybody have any info on this?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:30am; Reply: 1
When you have Myer Briggs profile that match your GenoType, you will see comments like this in the diet report:

# MBI EI(E) Attitude suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.

SWAMI does use Myers Briggs to help determine GenoType.

Look in the strength testing section of your diet report:

Quoted Text
What Makes You a GT6 Nomad:

Calculator Choice: Using Standard GenoType Calculation Tools.
Results

The six GenoTypes described by Dr. D'Adamo are very broad characterizations; no individual is purely one GenoType. Since many of the GenoType characteristics overlap, most people will have aspects of at least two or more GenoTypes. However SWAMI Xpress uses powerful statistical tools to calculate which single GenoType best captures the highest degree of your unique variation.

Your results: XX % of your epigenetic variation is encapsulated in the GT6 Nomad profile.



Interpretation: Good Association with GT6 Nomad

There is significant degree of your epigenetic variation encapsulated within this GenoType. Following the guidelines for this GenoType should have a beneficial dietary effect on healthy genetic expression

The Nomad Inventory


These are the findings which identified your GenoType as Nomad. To learn more about these tests and measurements, consult chapters 3 and 4 in The GenoType Diet book.

Calculator Points:

    * Torso to Leg Ratio /Characteristic of Nomad.
          ...

Strength Testing, First Pass

    * ....
Strength Testing, Second Pass

    * Generally Myers Briggs comments are here if you had a personality profile indicative of your GenoType

Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:51am; Reply: 2
Does this mean that it is better to have a MB profile done?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:14am; Reply: 3
Quoted from Cristina
Does this mean that it is better to have a MB profile done?


If you do not know Myer Briggs personality type, you should take one of the online quizzes to determine it.  Several are free and just take a little bit of time to answer the questions:

http://www.dadamo.com/personality/ei.htm
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

Posted by: Constantine, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:31am; Reply: 4
Oh, I was wondering what that line meant...

"MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad."

I guess my being a "P" is Nomad-like.  I wonder if a specific type has been sifted from the Nomad data, or if only <=3 dimensions correlate.

Maybe later I'll go fool around with SWAMI try to find out.
Posted by: Kristi, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:50am; Reply: 5
lol....I love Myers-Briggs! Depending on my Gemini mood... changes me from and E to an I... and back again... which also changes my SWAMI from Explorer to Teacher...and back again.  ;D

The lists are very similar thankfully... I'm playing with checking in... am I feeling extroverted or introverted... before I make a meal...and choose my food options accordingly. I'm sure that I'll figure out which MB I am more often than not...and land on one list.   8)

Loving playing and adventuring with SWAMI!  :K)


Kristi
A+
mama bear to
four O+ cubs
blending 5 food lists is my job!
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:50am; Reply: 6
These are what suggest Nomad:

# MBI EI(E) Attitude suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI SN(S) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
Posted by: Constantine, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 2:59am; Reply: 7
Yeah, Nomads are more often ESFPs.  Explorers tend to be INFPs I think.

Apparently the INTP isn't even common w/in the B blood type.
Posted by: glamour, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:15am; Reply: 8
I was waiting on my secreter test to determine my genotype. Now that I took this Briggs test is is saying I am "Hunter" no matter which way I set the secreter results. This just blows my mind~
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:43am; Reply: 9
What are ENFJ - GT wise
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 5:05am; Reply: 10
no idea
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 5:34am; Reply: 11
Cristina: Like any other single factor personality profile does not by itself indicate GenoType.

Since you are an A, I only ran possibilities for A. For each possible GenoType you match 2 out 4 of the personality traits.

GenoType Teacher:

# MBI EI(I) Attitude suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Teacher.
# MBI SN(S) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Teacher.
# MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Teacher.
# MBI JP(J) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Teacher.


GenoType Warrior

# MBI EI(E) Attitude suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Warrior.
# MBI SN(N) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Warrior.
# MBI TF(T) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Warrior.
# MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Warrior.


GenoType Explorer:

# MBI EI(I) Attitude suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
# MBI SN(N) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
# MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
# MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, September 20, 2009, 7:09am; Reply: 12
8/9 in the enneagram ;) ;D.....
Posted by: shells, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:21am; Reply: 13
C_sharp thank you, that is fascinating but would it be possible to run an 'O' possibility?  At the moment I am coming out like Warrior ENTP but some days I am INTP and was wondering if I show more like Hunter or Gatherer?   ::)   :)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:26pm; Reply: 14
Hunter: INTJ
Gatherer ESTJ




Just to state the obvious: There are 16 Personality profiles and 6 GenoTypes. 10 out of 16 personality profile will not correspond with a GenoType.

If you match a personality profile, it does not mean you are that GenoType.  For instance an O that has a Myers Briggs profile of a Nomad, will definitely not be a Nomad.
Posted by: glamour, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:43pm; Reply: 15
I got ISTJ and INFJ and both changed my genotype to Hunter.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 7:13pm; Reply: 16
You would expect all 16 Personality types to be present in differing percentages in a population of any particular Genotype, or a population of any Blood type for that matter.

Gotta love the research possibilities.  

Is research on a randomly selected population being done to validate (in terms of statistics) Dr. D'Adamo's work? Perhaps this would be too expensive for the resulting benefit, since the information will be willingly ignored by most people who could make use of it.
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:47pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from paul clucas

.......
Is research on a randomly selected population being done to validate (in terms of statistics) Dr. D'Adamo's work? Perhaps this would be too expensive for the resulting benefit, since the information will be willingly ignored by most people who could make use of it.


In the GT book under the world views chapter, Dr D clearly explains the effect that our personalities can have in our bodies from a simple smile to a burst of rage (probably not in exact words).  It makes sense though, to consider these traits on our personalities in the total assessment of our lifestyle for better health.  Even, a lay person like me can see that, so you would hope that there should be many other professionals out there taking this seriously.  But then, that could be my idealistic Teacher personality coming through ...
Posted by: misspudding, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 1:03am; Reply: 18
I'd like to see more values for Myers Briggs and Genotype. Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but anyone feel like chiming in? :)

I'm an explorer and very ENTP. My hubby's more Hunter and ISTJ/INTJ. He's an introvert, very detail-oriented, very organized. I'm extroverted, more of a big-picture thinker (but good with details...the only question I'm really on the fence with), and messy!
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 4:55am; Reply: 19
Quoted from paul clucas
You would expect all 16 Personality types to be present in differing percentages in a population of any particular Genotype, or a population of any Blood type for that matter.

Ah, paul clucas -- Mr. Common Sense!
Thank you, Paul, for resisting the temptation to assign a Myers-Briggs type to each Genotype.  :)

Posted by: misspudding, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 5:17am; Reply: 20
But Myers Briggs is being used for genotyping, per SWAMI, right? So obviously, some genotypes are associated with certain character traits.
Posted by: Munchkin76, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 8:41am; Reply: 21
I just did the MBTI again and came out INFJ. When I updated SWAMI it changed my Hunter % up two points to 68% - cool. INJ are all strength test points associated with Hunters apparently.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 9:21am; Reply: 22
yep Munschkin76 a lot of the O's are or I or ENFP/J's = hunterlike ;) ;D....

gatherer's often correspond more to no 3 in the enneagram (no name ) or 2=ESFP/J or no 9 = isfp/j

but this also might correlate to the primair types 3-6-9 of the enneagram ;)....


and I think and observed Explorer's often are no 1 or 5ves in the Enneagram-Peter describes us merely as extraverts... so far no 1...ENTP/J ;)... but last not least we're coming up in both segments...(woot)(hehe)(smarty)
Posted by: Serenity, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 10:00am; Reply: 23
ENTP must be typical of warriors as my profile lists my E & N as warrior traits but not my F & J.
INFP must indeed be usual for explorers as my explorer son's I & N are counted in his swami but not his T & J as characteristic of explorers.
My eldest son (probably explorer also) is an ENFP.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 10:56am; Reply: 24
sorry must deny... ENTP/J & intp/j typical explorers...wariors almost ESTP/J but also can go into direction ENFP/J... ;)

but when understood how the enneagram describes the desintegrative ways... so ESTP/J's are hoppeling indeed into the false direction while whooping up to ENTP/J's ;) :D... :X

the same for the ENTP/J's whooping up into direction infp/j... :o :-/....(1=4 means oops...danger )

I also often saw teachers might be infp's or isfp's ;) ;D....

Btw... the enneagram is an agreed psychological system and tool and it also is comparable to MBTI but not that much into the Prof. Keirsey's system.. but here and there are some cofactors to be found...

(goofy)(smarty)(whistle)
Posted by: Serenity, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 11:20am; Reply: 25
I might remeasure my youngest son as he has grown a lot since we first got swami for him, maybe he is a warrior, he has the height (very long legs) & has large head which fits into warrior type (very serious & an excellent science/maths student which i guess is more warrior like)
Posted by: Munchkin76, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 12:51pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Amazone I.
yep Munschkin76 a lot of the O's are or I or ENFP/J's = hunterlike ;) ;D....

gatherer's often correspond more to no 3 in the enneagram (no name ) or 2=ESFP/J or no 9 = isfp/j

but this also might correlate to the primair types 3-6-9 of the enneagram ;)....


and I think and observed Explorer's often are no 1 or 5ves in the Enneagram-Peter describes us merely as extraverts... so far no 1...ENTP/J ;)... but last not least we're coming up in both segments...(woot)(hehe)(smarty)


Spot on Isa  ;D I'm a 9 on the enneagram too!

Andy
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 5:36pm; Reply: 27
;) :K) :D ;D

habibi  mio please get more  informed about nf's and s...p's or j's ??`) ;).. chuckle.. ;D
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 5:59pm; Reply: 28
I'm very much an Explorer and very much N and P, but I'm balanced on the E/I and T/F.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, October 30, 2014, 1:07am; Reply: 29
gatherer-enfp-enneatype 2.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, October 30, 2014, 7:42am; Reply: 30
so you seem onto the integrative  journey ;) dearest jayneeo ....ENFP =8/7 in the enneagram  and when diving direction 2 it means...bravo ;) ;D....(clap)(ok)(dance)

btw I also observed and think that our ground types are or NT,NF,SP or SJ and then must be balanced by other types...and as we're hoppeling around in the whole enneagram, so it means we're all in one...;) (angel)(happy)... it depends of our options for growth and readyness to make further paths into the right direction... meant here is...we need all to take care and being aware in not letting taking grip over us by our so called *persona* !!!(evil)(eek)(scared)(hand)(book2)
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 8:43am; Reply: 31
Quoted from Amazone I.
a lot of the O's are or I or ENFP/J's

Keirsey estimates that approx. 2% of the population is ENFP, and approx. 5% are ENFJ.
He says that the INFJ's and INFP's comprise only approx. 1%, each, of the population.


Seeing as blood type O is found in at least 44% of the world population, it's completely incompatible with your beloved Keirsey's findings to say "a lot of the O's are I or ENFP/J's", as Keirsey believes that no more than 10% of the world population is NF. Seeing as much of that NF population does not have bloodtype O, you are saying that Keirsey's numbers are way, way off.
Which, of course, you have every right to do, if that's what you believe.
But you, on the same day, were talking about "the Prof. Keirsey's system", and I thought you respected his findings, so there seems to be a discrepancy.  ??)
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 12:37pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Amazone I.
yep Munschkin76 a lot of the O's are or I or ENFP/J's = hunterlike ;) ;D....

gatherer's often correspond more to no 3 in the enneagram (no name ) or 2=ESFP/J or no 9 = isfp/j

but this also might correlate to the primair types 3-6-9 of the enneagram ;)....


and I think and observed Explorer's often are no 1 or 5ves in the Enneagram-Peter describes us merely as extraverts... so far no 1...ENTP/J ;)... but last not least we're coming up in both segments...(woot)(hehe)(smarty)


Another Hunter who is ENFP here.

I don't know my enneagram, but am interested in figuring that out.  

One thing that is interesting to note - I ran my SwamiXP2 as both a Hunter and Explorer because my leg to torso ratio is extremely close by 1/2 in or less.  When I run it with my legs longer, I type as Hunter.  When I run it with my legs and torso equal, I type as Explorer.

When I look at the Strength Testing, Second Pass for both Genotypes, Hunter only says MBI SN(N) whereas Explorer says MBI JP(P), MBI SN(N) and MBI TF(F).  

Am I reading this incorrectly or is ENFP more strongly associated with Explorer vs. Hunter?

Just curious, Isa . . .
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 7:29pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from jayneeo
gatherer-enfp-enneatype 2.


Jayneo and Amazone, I just did the test, so I am also ennetype 2 and ENFP.  
Posted by: Patty H, Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 7:36pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from paul clucas
You would expect all 16 Personality types to be present in differing percentages in a population of any particular Genotype, or a population of any Blood type for that matter.

Gotta love the research possibilities.  

Is research on a randomly selected population being done to validate (in terms of statistics) Dr. D'Adamo's work? Perhaps this would be too expensive for the resulting benefit, since the information will be willingly ignored by most people who could make use of it.


Paul,
Maybe you could set up a poll since many of us here know our genotype and our MB type if we are using SWAMI.  We all know our blood type, so that would be interesting since certain genotypes correlate with certain MB Types, which correlate with certain blood types.
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 8:38pm; Reply: 35
Any other teachers or teacher/explorers out there with ISFJ?
Just curious.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 12:59am; Reply: 36
Quoted from C_Sharp

SWAMI does use Myers Briggs to help determine GenoType.

Look in the strength testing section of your diet report:

...
These are what suggest Nomad:

# MBI EI(E) Attitude suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI SN(S) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.
# MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Nomad.


Immediately after your second post, C_Sharp, the OP'er concluded:
Quoted from Constantine
Yeah, Nomads are more often ESFPs.  Explorers tend to be INFPs I think.

...which, logically, of course doesn't follow, given how genotypes are strength-tested.

A good way to understand this is to use the following from the book, The Genotype Diet:
Strength-Testing Charts for each genotype (pp.98-103) show EIGHT different items per Strength Test.
You or SWAMI may take any one of them, say, "Taster" PROP status, and say : This skews the result toward GT-3 Teacher or GT-6 Nomad.
Now - the individual may have blood type O, making that impossible. Therefore, Taster-status is rejected as relevant.
Likewise, a person may score highest for Warrior but be kept up all night by  morning drafts of caffeinated drinks; the latter strength-tests against Warrior likelihood but is irrelevant to his dominant Genotype's identity.

C_Sharp, you are naming individual - that is, separate - factors for, for instance, Nomadhood:
Extraversion is one.
Dominant Sensation Function is another, and separate, one.
etc.
But this doesn't at all imply that ALL FOUR mbti elements are therefore "the likeliest of the 16 mbti types" to be a Nomad; this ascribes way too much weight to these data.
What it does tell us is that, in Dr. D'Adamo's opinion, the "P" trait, for instance, -- all by itself -- can skew a strength-test toward a Nomad or a Warrior or an Explorer tendency.

Each type has four elements/traits/letters of the alphabet - one from each pair.
E/I, S/N, F/T, J/P.
And each letter is linked to certain strength-testing probabilities.
But each of the 16 four-letter-types is not so linked.
I'm sorry if that's difficult to understand, but suffice it to say, the four different strength-test factors cannot be bundled in such a way as to dominate computation such that Genotype can be skewed by the resultant mutable personality groupings... or vice versa. The numbers don't add up - Sorry.

Excellent example:
There's someone on this thread who says she tests very strongly on one end of the E/I spectrum but not on the T/F spectrum, where she tests right in the middle: This is a perfect example -- it renders the T/F data unusable, but permits her, due to its replicability, to enter the Extraversion into her strength-testing for Genotype. That's why the MBTI types are un-bundled:
To Make Their Components Useable as Strength-Testers.  ;)
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 1:09am; Reply: 37
My MB results 'hot off the press'

INFP

Introverted (I) 58.33% Extroverted (E) 41.67%
Intuitive (N) 62.5% Sensing (S) 37.5%
Feeling (F) 54.17% Thinking (T) 45.83%
Perceiving (P) 62.5% Judging (J) 37.5%

INFP - "Questor". High capacity for caring.
Emotional face to the world.
High sense of honor derived from internal values.
4.4% of total population.

Don't know how this relates to being a Hunter.
Being a meditator for nearly 40 years likely influenced this result.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 1:26am; Reply: 38
Thanks for providing us with this example, AH!

You show I and F quite weakly over their opposites - therefore they're not particularly admissible as strength-testers.

N and P are somewhat stronger, but IMO not very powerful indicators.

A 10% difference either way, when you take an MBTI test in the future, and you're a different type altogether!

When you think of Taster Status, for instance, there are Tasters and there are SUPER-Tasters --
Your MBTI elements are weakly present but not really powerful.
Maybe Dr. D'Adamo will, in future versions, standardize an MBTI questionnaire and require a statistically significant reading (or Score) of a given element to include it as a strength test.

It's kin'a like saying you're using your parent's Cancer for strength testing, but only one of your parents had only one small basal cell lesion removed from a hand in his or her youth and then went on to live another 60 years with no more cancers -- you have to question how much it can really "count"... :-/
JMO, folks.  :)
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 1:40am; Reply: 39
I agree San j. I even asked Lola if I should take it once or twice more. It didn't seem very reliable to me. For example, when I took it, I wasn't in the mood to see myself as one extreme or the other. So, I checked the inner 'boxes'. On a day when I am more honest with seeing myself, I would likely check the definitive extreme. Does that make sense?

I took this test in graduate school and I think the letters were the same. It's hard to remember back that far though. (ondrugs)
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 1:43am; Reply: 40
Quoted from san j
Thanks for providing us with this example, AH!

You show I and F quite weakly over their opposites - therefore they're not particularly admissible as strength-testers.

N and P are somewhat stronger, but IMO not very powerful indicators.

A 10% difference either way, when you take an MBTI test in the future, and you're a different type altogether!

When you think of Taster Status, for instance, there are Tasters and there are SUPER-Tasters --
Your MBTI elements are weakly present but not really powerful.
Maybe Dr. D'Adamo will, in future versions, standardize an MBTI questionnaire and require a statistically significant reading (or Score) of a given element to include it as a strength test.

It's kin'a like saying you're using your parent's Cancer for strength testing, but only one of your parents had only one small basal cell lesion removed from a hand in his or her youth and then went on to live another 60 years with no more cancers -- you have to question how much it can really "count"... :-/
JMO, folks.  :)


San J, I know you are working diligently to try to figure this out.  Dr. D has factored this into SWAMI and he has applied values to the different Meyers Briggs types, so I am not sure why you are trying to second guess the work he has already done.

Maybe you should consider purchasing a SWAMI since you already know your genotype and all of this can be figured out for you through the magic of his amazing computer program.
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 5:23am; Reply: 41
Quoted from san j
Thanks for providing us with this example, AH!

Soon I will be doing the Swami Pro. As per my instructions, I only need the four letters:

INfP

I will take the test again in about 10 days and will more realistically select 'strong' outside circles when appropriate rather than going down the middle. I assure you it will only get more percentage of INFP - not weaker.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 7:11am; Reply: 42
Oh, I see, AH; trying to tone yourself down, are ya? (smarty)
Be Who You Be, luv.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 9:36am; Reply: 43
comparing MBTI-test versus the Enneagram...versus Prof.Keirsey's *pygmalion project* abd "please understand me* booklets no I and II

there are several differences in those tests and often NF or NT- traits are mingeled ...mixed or vice versa changed...
therefore I think better to go for several different testforms..incl. http://www.eclecticenergies.com   ;) here you get all the hosts and wings which seems to make up your self... ;D(smarty)(cool)(shrug)(clown)

as we're hoppeling around in the whole enneagram- so far so well we can show up with various types but we only come along with one true type describing our so called *persona* in action to deal with the world... ;) :o ::)

I don't think we're really able to fix any type to bt's in any form... we're that changeable...I jstamente tested somebody lately as an ESFJ...male Abt...but next sunday he confirmed being an ESTJ which fits him muchmore .... also a question of how we do see ourselfs in a certain form of reality... our realities!!! :X

I think also there are some tendencies but it always depends onto the situations we're confronted with...
Posted by: rosa, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 12:02pm; Reply: 44
Like others, I'm not entirely sure how personality traits relate to genotype.
I'm more attracted to Enneagram than Myers-Briggs though.
Me - Gatherer/ I/ENFJ, enneagram 9.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 12:39pm; Reply: 45
oops sorry can't be...EnfJ= no 8/9 in the enneagram... ;) ;D :D
infj=4/5....  
9 in the enneagram is or isfp/j...often confonded...(whistle)
Posted by: rosa, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 12:51pm; Reply: 46
Must re-do myers-briggs then!!
I'm quite sure I'm enneagram 9 though...have done it several times over the years, same result!
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 2:02pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from Cristina


In the GT book under the world views chapter, Dr D clearly explains the effect that our personalities can have in our bodies from a simple smile to a burst of rage (probably not in exact words).  It makes sense though, to consider these traits on our personalities in the total assessment of our lifestyle for better health.  Even, a lay person like me can see that, so you would hope that there should be many other professionals out there taking this seriously.  But then, that could be my idealistic Teacher personality coming through ...


Dr. D referenced personality traits in ER4YT as well.  It is the last entry for each individual blood type in Part II, Your Blood Type Plan.  Obviously, he has found a link to personality traits among the four blood types and it appears he has expanded this work to include Meyers Briggs information into SWAMI.
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Thursday, February 19, 2015, 4:11am; Reply: 48
Quoted from Atypical Hunter
I agree San j. I even asked Lola if I should take it once or twice more. It didn't seem very reliable to me. For example, when I took it, I wasn't in the mood to see myself as one extreme or the other. So, I checked the inner 'boxes'. On a day when I am more honest with seeing myself, I would likely check the definitive extreme. Does that make sense?

I took this test in graduate school and I think the letters were the same. It's hard to remember back that far though. (ondrugs)

What I seem to be facing with this test is that I've changed so much even in the last few years. So, the dilemma is a struggle between who I was and who I am now. Aging and 40 years of meditation mellow a person considerably. I'm far less reactive.

The suggestion by Rosa and others to take the MB from other sites is excellent. The test I remember from the past the questions had a sentence to give them a context. But I could be remembering a different test.
Posted by: san j, Thursday, February 19, 2015, 4:31am; Reply: 49
Quoted from Atypical Hunter

What I seem to be facing with this test is that I've changed so much even in the last few years. So, the dilemma is a struggle between who I was and who I am now. Aging and 40 years of meditation mellow a person considerably. I'm far less reactive.

The suggestion by Rosa and others to take the MB from other sites is excellent. The test I remember from the past the questions had a sentence to give them a context. But I could be remembering a different test.

AH, I actually like Myers-Briggs. There are many, many different interpretations of it, and, yes, questionnaires for it. There are many different uses made of it, too -- and not all of them are all that upstanding.
It has the potential to help an individual understand him/herself and others -- in order to make good career choices, for instance, and to help one understand interpersonal differences. The authors who focus on such uses of the test and its results are the ones I personally favor.

Most people, it seems, expect others to be like themselves. They have much trouble registering as positive or benign or even tolerable those who express themselves in ways unaccustomed to themselves. There may very well be Myers-Briggs-explainable reasons for that --  :D
But they are people who could probably most benefit from using this sort of knowledge to expose their minds to 15 other possible ways to view and live Life.  :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 19, 2015, 5:03pm; Reply: 50
we need to think about this very fact that the enneagram is an integrative Form of psychologcal issues...called system.. ;) and it isn't fix at all coz we do hopple around in the whole enneagram depending upon the situation but ther's on type we do use to deal with the world and this type is our *persona-shapement*...
The enneagram shows up what happens if.... meant here are or integratve ways or the desintegrative ways... so far so well this enables us to know us better and really prevents from any psychological disorders... this is it what I've observed since ^m also usng several systems to work wth clents or therapists and docs ... :D

So it isn't rigid at all and as once said... Briggs-Myers or also Myers-Briggs seem to confond NT's versus NF's...what the enneagram tries to get corrected.... viewed by my observations I think the founders of the enneagram are more right in their own observations...(smarty) but the booklet *gifts differing* shows very well what might be if some of our letters aren't well developed... here also a great gift... this booklet ... ;) ;D(clap)(ok)(woot)

Wish you all the best and have a fine time... hope spring will soon be there... it seems that the cold will leave us soon??)......
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Thursday, February 19, 2015, 9:30pm; Reply: 51
Amazone I., I just realized that you live in Switzerland. I gotta share something with you briefly. When LR4YT first came out, I sent a copy of the book to my friend in Brasil. She was so impressed with it that she sent a copy to her friend in Switzerland. So, now that Dr D's work has been translated into 65 languages, I feel the joy of knowing that I took part in that global process. (cool)  (smile)   (dance)  (woot)
Posted by: san j, Thursday, February 19, 2015, 9:33pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from Amazone I.
we need to think about this very fact that the enneagram is an integrative Form of psychologcal issues...called system.. ;) and it isn't fix at all coz we do hopple around in the whole enneagram depending upon the situation but ther's on type we do use to deal with the world and this type is our *persona-shapement*...
The enneagram shows up what happens if.... meant here are or integratve ways or the desintegrative ways... so far so well this enables us to know us better and really prevents from any psychological disorders... this is it what I've observed since ^m also usng several systems to work wth clents or therapists and docs ... :D

So it isn't rigid at all and as once said... Briggs-Myers or also Myers-Briggs seem to confond NT's versus NF's...what the enneagram tries to get corrected.... viewed by my observations I think the founders of the enneagram are more right in their own observations...(smarty) but the booklet *gifts differing* shows very well what might be if some of our letters aren't well developed... here also a great gift... this booklet ... ;) ;D(clap)(ok)(woot)

Wish you all the best and have a fine time... hope spring will soon be there... it seems that the cold will leave us soon??)......

I've given gifts of Gifts Differing (authors: Myers and Briggs-Myers!) and of a couple of Enneagram books*, Amazone I.
I do think there are some very positive applications of both systems.
Incidentally, I also very much like Marie-Louise von Franz's essay on The Inferior Function  -- Have your read that?

Note that there are a couple of basic differences between the classic Jungian/ Myers-Briggsian interpretive school and some of the others, especially where introversion is concerned. I am much more a fan of the Jungian/MB system -- not that the others doesn't have any uses, but they don't necessarily follow the classic teachings on Introversion, or the assumption of the Inferior Function, or the Transcendent Function, being more of a codification for use in Human Resources systems and the like. Yes, in a way this is "TMI", but if you're going to import a system, it's wise to know what's in it.  ;)

*Beginners and others interested in the Enneagram would do well to start with the very humorous cartoon-filled books of Renée Baron and Elizabeth Wagele on the Enneagram, IMO, facilitating a quick infusion of the teaching, with a lot of laughs, and plenty of diagrams where needed!
Also, in the back of a couple of the books, there are charts attempting to link the Enneagram types with MBTI-types -- not spot-on, but a few good correlations are made, IMO.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 3:16am; Reply: 53
Thanks, C_Sharp for showing us SWAMI's very tidy system correlating MB personality functions with D'Adamo's genotypes, as follows:

Extraversion: genotypes 2,5, and 6
Introversion: genotypes 1, 3, and 4

Sensation: genotypes 2, 3, and 6
Intuition: genotypes 1, 4, and 5

Thinking: genotypes 1, 2, and 5
Feeling: genotypes 3, 4, and 6

Judging: genotypes 1, 2, and 3
Perceiving: genotypes 4, 5, and 6

Look how perfectly balanced these are!
Even Jung, Keirsey, vonFranz and the Myers-Briggses themselves couldn't make the numbers add up like that!

It's important to bear in mind that the human distribution of the 16 MBTI types is not numerically even, by a long shot: E's far outnumber I's, and S's far outnumber N's. T's skew heavily toward males, F's toward females.
You could say, for instance, that IN's are as tiny a proportion of the world population as are those with the the B allele (B's and AB's).
Likewise, the different genotypes do not contain nearly the same numbers of individuals, simply by virtue of the fact that there are so few Bs and ABs, leaving the Nomad group quite small. And the Explorer group is supposedly made up of but a minority of each bloodtype's population.

So: Not only do the 16 MBTI types not nicely fit the six genotypes as in this model, but they wouldn't fit even if there were 16 genotypes, due to the uneven weighting of personality factors across different populations.

Unless Dr. D'Adamo devised the six genotypes specifically to so tidily correlate with the MBTI, this is, um, too "convenient" to "just fall into place" as you're showing it delineated.

Having said that, I agree that there are certain personality factors that seem to match a genotype here and there, such as P for Nomads, as "easygoing" is a keyword for each, among the few personality keywords D'Adamo has permitted himself for the genotypes. But an E/I function, an S/N function, and a T/F function are not as clearly prevalent among Nomads, so why not use only P for the strength test? I've never seen any D'Adamo literature from him naming Nomad personality traits that are pronouncedly extraverted or sensing -heavy, such as he has named empiric, objective factors like whorled fingerprints and secretor status.

MBTI -and the enneagram, too, Amazone I.  :K) - has great potential for helping the individual understand the differences between people and their behavior. But I wouldn't factor it in to my dinner recipes. Especially as I continue to grow and change and learn: Should I use more parsley on my more extraverted days?
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 4:36am; Reply: 54
I took another form of the Myers-Briggs test.
This test had a sentence with a yes or no response.
There were 72 statements to respond to.

Here are my results:

INFP

INFP
Introvert(33%)  iNtuitive(38%)  Feeling(38%)  Perceiving(11%)
You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (33%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (11%)

http://www.humanmetrics.com/hr/JTypesResult.aspx
Posted by: Mickey, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 7:26am; Reply: 55
Can someone tell me where on swami it asks you what your personality type is?.  I don't recall being asked about this on my swami.

Thanks!
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 7:51am; Reply: 56
Quoted from Atypical Hunter
My MB results 'hot off the press'

INFP

Introverted (I) 58.33% Extroverted (E) 41.67%
Intuitive (N) 62.5% Sensing (S) 37.5%
Feeling (F) 54.17% Thinking (T) 45.83%
Perceiving (P) 62.5% Judging (J) 37.5%

INFP - "Questor". High capacity for caring.
Emotional face to the world.
High sense of honor derived from internal values.
4.4% of total population.

Don't know how this relates to being a Hunter.
Being a meditator for nearly 40 years likely influenced this result.


Six days later:

Quoted from Atypical Hunter
I took another form of the Myers-Briggs test.
This test had a sentence with a yes or no response.
There were 72 statements to respond to.

Here are my results:

INFP

INFP
Introvert(33%)  iNtuitive(38%)  Feeling(38%)  Perceiving(11%)
You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (33%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (38%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (11%)

http://www.humanmetrics.com/hr/JTypesResult.aspx


What do you make of those differences, AH?
Posted by: misspudding, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 7:57am; Reply: 57
From my SWAMI:

MBI JP(P) function suggestive of GenoType/Characteristic of Explorer
MBI SN(N) function suggestive of GenoType/Characteristic of Explorer

I'm an ENTP, and the two things that are absolutely non-negotiable about my personality are the T and the P. The E and N are on the fence most of the time, but the other two...set in STONE.
Posted by: san j, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 4:19pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from misspudding
From my SWAMI:

MBI JP(P) function suggestive of GenoType/Characteristic of Explorer
MBI SN(N) function suggestive of GenoType/Characteristic of Explorer

I'm an ENTP, and the two things that are absolutely non-negotiable about my personality are the T and the P. The E and N are on the fence most of the time, but the other two...set in STONE.

See, that makes good sense to me, and of course its JMO.

The singular function that is both, as you put it, "set in stone" and, as SWAMI puts it, "suggestive of" Explorer, is P=Perceptive.
That is what constitutes a credible element of a Strength Test (lest anyone misconstrue my beef with the assignment of finished, 4-function Types to the genotypes). :)

But note, also, that the other function you find "set in stone", T=Thinking, constitutes an equally strong negative strength test, being "suggestive of" non-Explorer!
And There y'are.  :-/
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 7:44pm; Reply: 59
oops sorry San-J but a lot of errors while implementing the enneagram and also MBTI and Kirsey tests: all are the same basics and are aproved to be seen likewise

No1 in the enneagram = ENTP/J so far extravert
No2  "       "       = ESFP/J  "  "      "
No 3 "       "       = no name but known as the so called A-shapement of a psychogram often seen in 0's...and extravert...
No 4 "       "       =infp/j so far introvert
No5  "       "       =INTP/J  "  "    "
No6  "       "       = istp/j "  "    "
No7  "       "       = ESTP/J so far extravert
No8  "       "       = ENFP/J so far extravert
No 9 "       "       = isfp/j so far introvert...

what I observed is that there are some differences in NF versus NT-types in all those systems, best explanations abot weaky type development is to be seen in Gifts differing and then Keirseys system do differ as well...I think and observed...there are several mixed-types as well coz of a not really well develped or extra-or introversion.. or perhaps coz of lacking p or j adjustments...
Here always the x can be seen and is also very well explained in the Keirsey system named:*please understand me I and II*

And also do we need to be aware that we aren't to be fixed upon only one type ...ok this might be ours to deal with the world but all is an open system and can decide to hopple into the integrative fashion or justamente the oposite...
We do have primair types and secondos...and so on...btw I also wouldn't fix any genotype onto whatever... it all might be..can be..etc...but merely seen as a form of tendencies!!!


                                  (sunny)(sunny)(sunny)
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 10:21pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from san j
Six days later:
What do you make of those differences, AH?

The obvious similarity in the results is that they're both INFP.

To compare the two tests may be like comparing apples to oranges. They both claim to be Myers-Briggs. However, in the first test each question gave a choice of two words to choose from, e.g. "linear - non-linear" on and on like that. The second test gave an entire sentence with a yes or no response.

e.g. "You are inclined to rely more on improvisation than on prior planning"
      "You are more inclined to experiment than to follow familiar approaches"
      "It's difficult to get you excited"

I could relate to the second test better, because it gave a context that I could relate to.

As I recall my Myers-Briggs test results from 40 years ago, it does seem to be the same. INFP So....


For many reasons I do strongly suspect that I AM NOT a Hunter. I did the GenoType test a couple of years ago and no longer have it. This week I received another GenoType kit in the mail and will have a friend be a 'buddy' this time to recalculate my GenoType. It would make more sense that I'm not a Hunter after all. I should know in a few days.
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 10:58pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from san j
Thanks, C_Sharp for showing us SWAMI's very tidy system correlating MB personality functions with D'Adamo's genotypes, as follows:

Extraversion: genotypes 2,5, and 6
Introversion: genotypes 1, 3, and 4

Sensation: genotypes 2, 3, and 6
Intuition: genotypes 1, 4, and 5

Thinking: genotypes 1, 2, and 5
Feeling: genotypes 3, 4, and 6

Judging: genotypes 1, 2, and 3
Perceiving: genotypes 4, 5, and 6

Look how perfectly balanced these are!
Even Jung, Keirsey, vonFranz and the Myers-Briggses themselves couldn't make the numbers add up like that!

If I go by this guideline, INFP would be GenoType 4.

If my new genotype testing comes up Explorer, then I'd still be atypical.
I am Rh+ and have tested twice as a Secretor.

Posted by: Lloyd, Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 11:33pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from Atypical Hunter

If my new genotype testing comes up Explorer, then I'd still be atypical.


Typical only applies to the GT group as a whole. Individuals will all be atypical to some degree. Try not to focus to closely on the typical. More important is that your GT is generally correct in the sense that it is more correct than the other GT's. The rest is SWAMI (if used) narrowing down on modifications for your individuality.
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 2:54am; Reply: 63
Quoted from Lloyd
Quoted from Atypical Hunter
Quoted from AoM
SWAMI's very tidy system correlating MB personality functions with D'Adamo's genotypes, as follows:

Extraversion: genotypes 2,5, and 6
Introversion: genotypes 1, 3, and 4

Sensation: genotypes 2, 3, and 6
Intuition: genotypes 1, 4, and 5

Thinking: genotypes 1, 2, and 5
Feeling: genotypes 3, 4, and 6

Judging: genotypes 1, 2, and 3
Perceiving: genotypes 4, 5, and 6

If I go by this guideline, INFP would be GenoType 4.
Individuals will all be atypical to some degree. Try not to focus to closely on the typical.

AH: You're reading a "guideline" (re MBTI's 4-letter/ conglomerate "types") into the above strength-tests for each separate letter.
That's like saying if you combine two positive strength tests (say, for one aspect of your family medical history plus your taster status) that adds up to Genotype 4; it does not do so.
This is one strength-test among scores of other strength-tests. Alone, personality-typing doesn't point to any genotype at all - even if you have 3 or 4 of its pieces. At best it can only tweak the result arrived at by far weightier data, including those strength-tests that track immutable, objective input.
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 4:38am; Reply: 64
Quoted from Lloyd


Typical only applies to the GT group as a whole. Individuals will all be atypical to some degree. Try not to focus to closely on the typical. More important is that your GT is generally correct in the sense that it is more correct than the other GT's. The rest is SWAMI (if used) narrowing down on modifications for your individuality.

Yes, just tonight with re-testing I've narrowed down my genotype once again to Hunter. But I'm gathering all the strength testing in order to actually do the SWAMI PRO once all the testing is complete. I'm soooo looking forward to the SWAMI results.
(smile)
Posted by: Atypical Hunter, Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 4:55am; Reply: 65
Quoted from san j
This is one strength-test among scores of other strength-tests. Alone, personality-typing doesn't point to any genotype at all - even if you have 3 or 4 of its pieces. At best it can only tweak the result arrived at by far weightier data, including those strength-tests that track immutable, objective input.

All I can say is - this transition from BTD to GT to SWAMI PRO is requiring enormous intuition and leap of faith. If I hadn't already developed unwavering confidence in Dr D's work, this leap would be much more difficult. It's more complex than I can grasp.

Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 6:50am; Reply: 66
btw in the booklet *Giftsdifferings* it's beautifully marked how every type is prone for his/her favoured aspects for example  INTP and INTJ are different as seen:
INTP has its favoured onto the T-side = thinkng and INTJ merely onto the N-side= intuition both are thinkers and then remeber the golden rule:all introverts do the oposite of their endings... all infos from all books are the true synthesis... ;)(cool)(shrug)(funny) and also C.G.Jungs work must be observed and implemented as well... even if this means blo... work in comparisons  and true understandings...(whistle)
Peter once wrote about us the explorers being all extraverts.. no 1 ENTP/J's Im no more persuated... we do exist in our extravert bt also introvert forms...(smarty)(hehe)(grin)

and as said it's a huge mistake to see the swami assumtions as they were *fixed* now...it seems to have been adapted to it instead to accept as it was made from their inventors named before: Meyers-Briggs, keirseys and the enneagram are nearly +- congruent in their conclusions and teachings ! Based upon C.G.Jungs work...
Posted by: Mickey, Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 7:07am; Reply: 67
OK, I found it!.  So are you saying that just by adding my personality type, my swami could change me to an entirely different genotype?.
Posted by: Lloyd, Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 1:33pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from Mickey
OK, I found it!.  So are you saying that just by adding my personality type, my swami could change me to an entirely different genotype?.


Possible but not likely.

Some people score out relatively close to the border between one GT and another. For those people one or two changes could switch the GT - even something seemingly innocuous.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 7:03pm; Reply: 69
all what I right now get to understand is.. none of you really has understood any systems mentioned... if so.. no such erroning matters would have been combined with real yuky issues...(funny)(funny)(funny)(evil)(evil)(hand)
so far this has leaded to a lot of missunderstandings... mischoosings etc.. coz of diferent systems......I guess??)

Must  tell you that I've got since a certain time problems to re-read my scripts onto this board..due to ??) Therfore I apologize for my comitted fauls in scripts.

Would like heaviliest that this problem should be solved onto the international rat as soon as possible (pray) :K).....
Posted by: san j, Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 8:46pm; Reply: 70
Quoted from Amazone I.
all what I right now get to understand is.. none of you really has understood any systems mentioned... if so.. no such erroning matters would have been combined with real yuky issues...(funny)(funny)(funny)(evil)(evil)(hand)
so far this has leaded to a lot of missunderstandings... mischoosings etc.. coz of diferent systems......I guess??)

I agree with A. Isa, and it's a quandary.
The writings of Myers-Briggs and von Franz answer it, but, habibi, we cannot expect everyone to read the foundational and scholarly literature.
I think most just consider it a detailed way to "measure" personality, and don't necessarily distinguish between the sources and the LOADS of popular literature on the subject. On the internet you can answer a questionnaire at a massive number of websites, and get an instant programmed result from one-knows-not-whom.
But the combinations and permutations of the actual Myers-Briggs system are complex, even for those who study it in depth.
As for the enneagram: The wings, the directions, the processes...the three subtypes...

But here, these complex systems are made "E-Z to Understand" via numerous authors and websites, and their E-Z version results are then fed into SWAMI.

When we use systems we don't understand, we must do so with tremendous care.
I think that's what you're saying.

Nonetheless, some people are getting consistent MBTI type results, longitudinally and cross-websites
And Dr. D'Adamo has found correlations between certain letters/functions and certain genotypes.
The attempt to factor these into SWAMI has begun, and there's something of a Research Window about it. I understand that.
The claim that there is a very tidy, numerically perfect correspondence of MBTI types with genotypes is, however, not possible - don't worry, it looks like the doctor has not so claimed. :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 26, 2015, 7:50am; Reply: 71
so it is (clap)(ok)(smarty)(dance) :D and yo're right with your thoughts that none can be master of all such systems..expressis verbis not if a combination is done which isn't of truth of the very early beginnings... bt what this all shows to me...my own form of being a bit compulsive to correct such errors  ;) ;D... this is so typical for me but at the same time peeps do feel unease coz often I do see em coming...the errors-fakes etc...  :B even not wanted voluntarily but  this is one of the gifts we got...(evil)(eek)(scared)(funny)(shrug)

btw..while looking into http://www.eclecticenergies.com you will get your type and all the others which seem to complete yourself... a bit like *horrorskope*... ;) ;D :P but yep it seems all those systems do function and are of value even if we do think all esomist...... ;) ;D :X but remember the words of B.Lipton...mind over genes and the scripts of Louiise Hay... so far also this seems to be not well nderstood...thoughts are all a form of energy which have tendencies to manifestation...! This often is overlooked and misunderstood almost in oncology....psychotherapy and so on... even foodwise...
Posted by: cajun, Friday, February 27, 2015, 6:12pm; Reply: 72
Isa,
I enjoyed reading "Please Understand Me" over 10 years ago. ;)
I took the Meyers-Briggs test.
The results were  ISFJ.
Before I ran my first swami I took the Meyers-Briggs test online.
The results were  ISFJ.

It seems as though it fits me as I am a true Teacher/Explorer mix.
The I matches GT 4 as does F and ISFJ matches GT3. (I have very typical Explorer fingerprints and also have Teacher highly visible tendons yet the measurements/strength points of each GT).




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