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Posted by: Shelly, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:26am
I have low stomach acid, which causes the same problems as high stomach acid -indigestion, bad stomachache, and belching. Normally for years I would take apple cider vinegar and it helped a lot to make more stomach acid and alleviate the symptoms, but it's an avoid on my Swami now.

I stopped taking apple cider vinegar several months ago and now the symptoms are back.

Are there any other ways to help increase stomach acid?
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:38am; Reply: 1
ginger....
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:44am; Reply: 2
The obvious thing to replace the vinegar is to drink lemon juice and water (See page 203 of Eat Right)

Other options:

Take vitamin C at the beginning of your meals (or think about foods high in Vitamin C)

Take Betaine hydrochloride with meals

Use digestive enzymes

Incorporate fermented foods that are compliant




Posted by: Shelly, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 4:20am; Reply: 3
Quoted from Lola
ginger....



Oh!  What kind of ginger- does ginger root tea and ground ginger quality too?  Or is it just the actual ginger you buy in the supermarket?
Posted by: Shelly, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 4:26am; Reply: 4
Quoted from C_Sharp
The obvious thing to replace the vinegar is to drink lemon juice and water (See page 203 of Eat Right)

Other options:

Take vitamin C at the beginning of your meals (or think about foods high in Vitamin C)

Take Betaine hydrochloride with meals

Use digestive enzymes

Incorporate fermented foods that are compliant


I thought lemon was alkaline once it reached the stomach, so I didn't bother.  Oranges are an avoid.  Can you find betaine hydrochloride anywhere you find other supplements?

I tried enzymes but found no change, and fermented foods like yogurt and kefir and sauerkraut are an avoid too.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:01am; Reply: 5
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because of their sensitive digestive tract and naturally low stomach acid, which they have in common with Type A's, AB's need smaller and less frequent portions.

fresh ginger is potent!
Posted by: BuzyBee, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 2:11pm; Reply: 6
I drink the ginger smoothers which are great. I do half white tea and half of the ginger smoother. Warm it up and drink first thing in the morning. I like the papaya enzymes. I keep those in my purse all the time for a pinch. I get the ones w/chlorophyll.

http://www.gingerpeople.com

http://www.internatural-alternative-health.com/SCAT/AMERICANHEALTH_5797.cfm
Posted by: Gale D., Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:47pm; Reply: 7
I too suffer from low stomach acid. Foods like red meat and nightshade caused me awful GERD-like symptoms. For many years MD's diagnosed me with GERD and put me on prescription anti-acid medications, which I think almost killed me.

An ND saw me for five minutes and said I had low stomach acid. He prescribed Wobenzyme systemic enzymes.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 6:16pm; Reply: 8
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An ND saw me for five minutes and said I had low stomach acid. He prescribed Wobenzyme systemic enzymes.


Do you have to have a prescription for that or can you buy it OTC? Wonder how the ND new so fast. What symptoms gave him/her the clue. Also, did you cut the red meat consumption down or out. I hardly ever eat red meat. Once in a while if my husband has a steak I might take a small taste and that's it.
Posted by: Gale D., Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 6:44pm; Reply: 9
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Do you have to have a prescription for that or can you buy it OTC? Wonder how the ND new so fast. What symptoms gave him/her the clue. Also, did you cut the red meat consumption down or out. I hardly ever eat red meat. Once in a while if my husband has a steak I might take a small taste and that's it.


My ND was also trained in Chinese medicine, and is one of the best in the U.S. He goes to China every once in a while to train students in acupuncture and other natural modalities.

He feels your pulse, smells you, looks at your eyes, tongue, fingernails etc... then lists out the things you suffer from. It's uncanny. I once had a doctor in China do the looking and smelling thing  - he told me I had an enlarged spleen and gave me some Chinese medicines that did help my symptoms.

I have probably referred 20 people to him, and they all say he helped them a great deal.

The first thing my ND said at my first appt after looking me over -- "keep eating your eggs, they are one of your best foods". I have no idea how he knew that, at the time, one of the few foods I could eat w/o reacting was eggs.

He diagnosed me with Epstein-Barre after we discussed my symptoms for 10 minutes. No MD, throughout the 20 years of being sick, ever suggested that. I'm on 2 new treatments that he thinks will make me well -- high-dose Valtrex (newly on-label), and low-dose Naltrexone (still off-label). My symptoms have improved about 50% in 2 months.

You can purchase Wobenzymes over the Internet. Prices have come down, so do a comparison to get the lowest.

Yes, I cut out all red meat, tomatoes and potatoes for about a year. 3 days after I cut them, my GERD symptoms disappeared and only returned twice -- when I consumed steak and potato together.

I only eat the occasional hamburger now, and even more occasionally half a small fresh tomato or handful of french fries.

It's a good thing my hubby thinks 8 second long belches are funny.
Posted by: BuzyBee, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:15pm; Reply: 10
That's great Gale. I had a similar experience when my son was small and he kept getting reoccurring ear infections. I took him to a ND(Philippian)  which gave him an excellent physical and also looked at his fingers. She mashed on his nails. I was just so impressed by the time she took with him and he became so much healthier. He has not had an ear infection since. He is 17 now.

There should be more ND around. I have to drive over an hour to even find a ND. But once you find a good one your life is so much better.
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:20pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Shelly
I have low stomach acid, which causes the same problems as high stomach acid -indigestion, bad stomachache, and belching. Normally for years I would take apple cider vinegar and it helped a lot to make more stomach acid and alleviate the symptoms, but it's an avoid on my Swami now.

I stopped taking apple cider vinegar several months ago and now the symptoms are back.

Are there any other ways to help increase stomach acid?


HI,
You can get betaine HCl from any health food store.  There's a step up system you can use.  You start w/ one & wait a couple days, if nothing happens, take 2, etc. This is done w/ all your meals.  Buy Dr. Johnathan Wright's book "why stomach acid is good for you" from Amazon.  :)
Posted by: kauaian, Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:23pm; Reply: 12
Oh, and the most important, follow your diet !
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:22am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Shelly


I thought lemon was alkaline once it reached the stomach, so I didn't bother.


The people who play the acid alkaline food game frequently claim that lemons make the body alkaline.

The same people often make that claim for apple cider vinegar as well.

Lemon juice has a pH of 2.0 to 3.0 fairly strong for food.

Vinegars have a similar pH range of 2.4 3.4


Posted by: Shelly, Thursday, August 20, 2009, 4:10am; Reply: 14
WOW.  There really are so many options...I follow my diet to a tee, and I have started drinking ginger tea.  I will start adding lemon juice too- it's a diamond for me also. I'll look into betaine hydrochloride and the Woboenzymes if these fail.

D_Gale:  It's always the overseas MD's that are really amazing, isn't it?  My MD was quick to prescribe an antacid off the bat and it made me feel worse!  (hand)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:05am; Reply: 15
wobenzyme is a fine option, some of my patients weren't happy about the
red colour...but ther's a little brother of wobenzyme....all are against
inflammations and also be aware it augments bloodvicosity; when taking wobenzyme take care not to get too much of ginger coz ginger also is
enhancing bloodviscosity....btw...greentea & lemon and fresh sliced ginger...sooo yummy the whole day long ;) ;D....
btw...bitter herbs will be fine as well :D....


you see how tricky nature can be, in our system it creates the same
symptoms as it creates it to the O's but here the O's do produce too much of acidity....
Posted by: Symbi, Friday, August 21, 2009, 7:42am; Reply: 16
Wow - great info in this thread.

D_Gale19 - glad an ND helped you so much.

Shelly -

I have GERD too,and the A BTD really helps.  I was following the BTD and it improved digestion and bowel symptoms greatly, until I stopped having lemon in water in the morning.  (Bad idea to go against what Dr D says!)  I added lemon in green tea thinking that was clever, two good things at once.  After seeing the dentist and finding out that the warm tea with lemon was destroying my enamel and causing teeth sensitivity, I started having just green tea in the morning before breakfast.  Bad idea!  What was I thinking?  (edit caffeinated drinks on an empty stomach are highly acidic)

I also had kidney pains and a full blood count showed that my blood was too acidic (I have kidney problems).  

After very slightly spicy chicken burritoes on a burning stomach after too much green tea in am before food (too much acid) (homemade with Oregano and Cumin) I burnt my oesophagus and had scorching pain, heartburn etc..  Got diagnosed with GERD, had to go on PPI drugs to lower acid - Nexium (didn't work for me so much) then went on to Aciphex for a few months.  Got alot sicker than usual as low stomach acid lowers your immunity.  Had side effects of constipation and also had indigestion worse, it felt that food sat in the stomach forever.  

It's healed up better now and I'm off those drugs, though I must avoid tomato and highly acid foods (including most spices, coffee, cucumber & more).  Sticking to a slightly modified BTD for As keeps it under control for me and keeping alkaline balance.

The other day I stupidly had some tomato paste and got the full on burning stomach for 2 days and diarrhea and all.  Good to do every now and then to remind you why you do what you do.

I got around the lemon affecting my enamel by drinking lemon in water through a straw inserted to the back of the mouth.  I've loved lemons since I was a little kid, they're great after you have a fatty meal and you can't digest it.  They are acidic and increase your stomach acid, but apparently after digestion convert into alkaline ash in your body.  I think it's true since when I gave up lemon is when I became too acidic, I didn't change much else at that time.
So I know that the blood type diet and keeping an acid alkaline balance is so right for me (lots of green vegetables and alkaline fruit, less meat and wheat etc.).

At least I did get diagnosed with GERD which I think I've had for a long time with hoarse throat, heartburn acid to my mouth for many years without knowing what it was or that it could be serious.

Going to get a gastroscopy soon to check to see if there is any permanent damage (like Barret's oesophagus which can be pre-cancerous).  Hopefully not!  

Follow Dr D or a good ND and you can't go wrong!

I'm not a Dr but I've been reading alot of books about GERD lately!



Posted by: Shelly, Friday, August 21, 2009, 7:52pm; Reply: 17
Ghee Whiz...such helpful information at once that I need to read it a few more times ;)  

For your teeth- I like acidic foods, particularly grapefruit, so much so that I learned to brush my teeth with Pronamel toothpaste. It protects the enamel. Have you heard about it?  :D
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, August 21, 2009, 11:15pm; Reply: 18
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Animal studies have shown that polyphenols in green tea have antitumor and anti-inflammatory effects. In preclinical studies, polyphenols have antioxidant activities and the ability to inhibit nitrosation, which have been implicated as etiologic factors of gastric cancer[115-117]. Although various case-control studies have shown a reduced risk of gastric cancer in relation to green tea consumption[118-121], .


Reduce your risk of Barretts turning into cancer and drink your green tea, three cups a day!
Posted by: Symbi, Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:25am; Reply: 19
Shelly - thanks for the toothpaste tip.  I wish I knew about that when I was a kid and used to eat lemons raw (sorry if I made you cringe).  I have such a hardly any enamel and I get stains really easy now.  Still love lemons though!  
Will give it a go thanks.

Andrea AWsec - Good quote thanks.  Green tea is fantastic and I have it at least once a day (after a meal or with a snack) but sometimes when my stomach is too acidic with GERD I can't have it  :B  Gotto love antioxidants!  
My skin has never looked better since starting the BTD, sometimes people think I'm  half my age (a teenager)!  Good when getting into movies cheaper, bad when you go to a bar!   ;D
Posted by: kawaikx15, Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 10:57am; Reply: 20
bitter herbs and ginger.. sounds a very economical option  :D
Posted by: Symbi, Saturday, September 19, 2009, 1:23am; Reply: 21

Since my post above, I've seen my blood test results from the Dr and realised I've been in a state of acidosis for a long time, causing IBS and reflux.  So I've started more alkaline foods and taking bicarbonate of soda many times a day and using salt (blood test showed low on sodium and bicarbonate).  Also supplementing with Calcium (magnesium and vitamin D as well) (was low on calcium so much have been bleaching my bones to alkalinise).  Now bowels are best ever and I've got lots of energy!

Also am starting the Explorer diet so it could be that too.  Have cut out wheat and soy so far.  Gone are the irregular periods!  Yipee!

I tried some apple cider vinegar the other day to see if it would get rid of heartburn and confirm the low stomach acid.  Don't do that.  Had aftertaste for many days and diarrhea from too much acid!  Should have checked apple cider and vinegar are a big avoid for most types.
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, September 19, 2009, 1:37am; Reply: 22
Quoted from Symbi
  Good when getting into movies cheaper, bad when you go to a bar!   ;D


:)  I get carded at the grocery store when I'm by myself because I look young.  When the children are with me they never ask to see ID.
Posted by: Symbi, Saturday, September 19, 2009, 1:42am; Reply: 23
That's great Ribbit, you must be on the right track!  
Posted by: BuzyBee, Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:03pm; Reply: 24


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Ghee Whiz Since my post above, I've seen my blood test results from the Dr and realised I've been in a state of acidosis for a long time, causing IBS and reflux.  So I've started more alkaline foods and taking bicarbonate of soda many times a day and using salt (blood test showed low on sodium and bicarbonate).  Also supplementing with Calcium (magnesium and vitamin D as well) (was low on calcium so much have been bleaching my bones to alkalinise).  Now bowels are best ever and I've got lots of energy!


What kind of bicarbonate or soda do you take and how do you take it. Is it a powder like baking soda. Even though A's tend to have low stomach acid is this something we need to pay attention to.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 21, 2009, 8:20pm; Reply: 25
just be aware too much of a good thing might not be such a good thing......messing with your PH levels is not the best route.

your diet plan already has the balance calculated, so try following that accordingly.
Posted by: DoS, Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:04pm; Reply: 26
You might want to consider Flaxseed oil. You may have problems with producing the right enzymes etc... but it might also just be you need metabolism stimulation.
Posted by: Symbi, Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:59am; Reply: 27
Quoted from BuzyBee




What kind of bicarbonate or soda do you take and how do you take it. Is it a powder like baking soda. Even though A's tend to have low stomach acid is this something we need to pay attention to.


I think acidosis is just individual to me.  I have reduced renal function and may even have renal tubular acidosis as I have this problem over and over even when eating lots of veg and fruit. :-(  I have kidney damage I think from 2 months of leaking kidneys when I had preeclampsia when I was pregnant also a stupid asprin overdose I took as a clueless teenager!

I've read some books on integrated medicine and bicarbonate of soda (the kitchen powder yes) can be useful if your pancreas has trouble (it makes bicarb and digestive enzymes).  People with bad digestion are recommended to try it in small doses (1 teaspoon in a cup of water) when you have indigestion.  Some people need to take it, enzymes and HCL.

Beware though it contains lots of sodium and can make you go too alkaline, as Lola says balance is the key.
Posted by: Symbi, Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:30am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Shelly


I thought lemon was alkaline once it reached the stomach, so I didn't bother.  Oranges are an avoid.  Can you find betaine hydrochloride anywhere you find other supplements?

I tried enzymes but found no change, and fermented foods like yogurt and kefir and sauerkraut are an avoid too.


G'day Shelly, hope you are feeling better nowadays.

I found an explanation for acid and alkaline levels of foods, especially lemons (been wondering for a long time myself why lemon is acidic but actually alkaline after digestion?)  Here 'tis:

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The Science: Why are acidic lemons alkaline-producing?
The answer is simply that when we digest the food, it produces alkaline residue. That's why we classify it as an alkaline food. When we digest a food it is chemically oxidized ('burned') to form water, carbon dioxide and an inorganic compound. The alkaline or acidic nature of the inorganic compound formed determines whether the food is alkaline or acid-producing. If it contains more sodium, potassium or calcium, it's classed as an alkaline food. If it contains more sulphur, phosphate or chloride, it's classed as an acid food. From: http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html


Lemons are so good, if someone tells me to go and suck lemons I  :)

Also found out recently that acids attacking your teeth is a sign of acidosis in the body.  When I'm not acidic lemons don't bother my teeth anymore.   :)

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FREQUENT SIGNS & SYMPTOMS (of acidosis): Sensitivity of the teeth to vinegar and acidic fruits. http://www.moondragon.org/health/disorders/acidosis.html
Posted by: Easy E, Monday, February 1, 2010, 3:41am; Reply: 29
I am about 100% sure i'm an explorer.  I am blood type A+.  My mother is O and my dad is AB.  I have had GERD off and on since I was in HS.  I am not sure whether or not it is due to low stomach acid or too much.  I took Aciphex for 3 mths and felt great!  I do know that fatty meats and foods considered as toxins contribute greatly to me having acid reflux.
Explorer has a sluggish  liver.  When liver is overloaded, it sends new things coming at it up so it doesn't have to deal with more toxin.  Acid reflux is the result.  When the liver is no longer compromised, the GERD should no longer be an issue.  This is what i have learned from the Chinese medical point of view.  The liver is considered to be the "gas pedal" to all of the other organs in the body.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, February 1, 2010, 9:10am; Reply: 30
Easy E...::) of a gas pedal ;)...the liver is the bigges endocrine glandular and is needed to detox the whole body.....but has amazing opportunities to regenerate.....
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