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Posted by: Plucky, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:15pm
This is a very embarassing personal question, but I'm just going to go ahead and ask: has anyone else developed a regular habit of having diarrhea since starting the Genotype diet?  At first I thought maybe this was my body's way of healing the gut and purging toxins from the bowel.  But for Pete's sake, how long would that last?!  :-/

I've never had regular bowel problems before that couldn't be fixed by laying off breads and sugar, and those were of the constipation variety.  I'm usually one of those "eat corn for dinner and find it in the bowl the next morning" types.  There's no cramping or anything like that involved (well, except for that time I ate the ice cream.  Whooeee!  Won't be doing that again!) just lots of liquidity.  It's not a big problem, but I'm kinda sick of cleaning the bowl every day! :P

I'm quite certain I'm on the right diet: I tested out at 50% hunter on the SWAMI and almost all of the traits fit (well, not the tallness one  ;D ) and I feel great.  The only new thing I've added to my diet is the agave nectar I use in my green tea and cream of rice, but I think the problem started before that.  Of course, I'm eating more fruits and veggies than I used to, along with more eggs and beef, but they are all the same kinds I'm used to eating, just different amounts.

So, is it a healing gut?  Were all the oats and corn just soaking up the liquid before? Anyone else experience this? Anyone got any ideas?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:23pm; Reply: 1
Carob powder 2 tbs per day should help..
Posted by: Plucky, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:27pm; Reply: 2
What does it do?  
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:29pm; Reply: 3
Gets rid of diarrhea.. :)

http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe33da65dd4&chunkiid=104658

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=carob%20for%20diarrhea&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=ws
Posted by: Plucky, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:34pm; Reply: 4
Ha ha!  Thanks!  
Posted by: wwbailey, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:44pm; Reply: 5
Looks like it only works for infants...  ??)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 5:40pm; Reply: 6
Why would you think it only works in infants?
http://naturalmedicine.com/healthnotes.php?org=nmr&productid=16&ContentID=2061000

Just search adults carob diarrhea.
Posted by: wwbailey, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:11pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Why would you think it only works in infants?
http://naturalmedicine.com/healthnotes.php?org=nmr&productid=16&ContentID=2061000

Just search adults carob diarrhea.


Many articles I read indicated such.

Here is a great site for many remedies for diarrhea:

http://www.health911.com/remedies/rem_diar.htm

They are at the bottom part of the page and again it indicates that Carob is especially good for babies diarrhea.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:23pm; Reply: 8
Plucky,
I would do a test and stop the agave for a while.  I was having a similar problem a few months ago.  I think, but am not 100% sure, that fruits and agave seemed to cause it for me.  Someone mentioned something called "SIBO" or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and how it feeds on fructose.  I think it was a link that I followed.  I really don't know if that's what I had, but I do think I am sensitive to too much fructose of any sort, and agave seems to aggravate it also.  I was putting it in my hot drinks in the am's.  I took lots of probiotics and even some yeast/fungus protocol things, and I have been pretty much back to normal.  At that time, I was even having problems with digesting lettuces and greens.  
It was very distressing at the time.  I also took, and still take occasional digestive enzymes
that include bromelain and such.  It could also have just been candida, but I really don't know....just know that I watch the fruits and agave, and no wheat, it seems to be gone. ;)
Posted by: Plucky, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 9:53pm; Reply: 9
I'll cut back on the fruits and agave then.  While the carob idea is good to know, and I'll probably buy some to keep on hand for the occasional bouts, I'm really looking for what's causing it in the first place so I can prevent it.  I'm not so much into just treating symptoms, and I'm really not fond of carob, though I'd rather take that than medicine.  

I've had problems with fruit before, especially dried apricots.  I used to go on apricot binges and end up with BV, but no diarrhea.  The first time I went to the doctor, thinking I had a yeast infection and she was shocked to find no yeast at all, but a serious bacterial infection.  The doctor told me the fruit probably throws off my PH balance which can cause overgrowth of bacteria.  It's happened a few times now, so I don't buy more than a small handful of apricots at a time any more  ;D

I'll do a search for "SIBO" and read up on that, as well as amp up the probiotics.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:12pm; Reply: 10
It doesn't only work for infants it will work on adults too( and dogs for that matter).  

Infants die from diarrhea particularly in third world countries, so they study things to help the babies. A doc at my hospitals baby died from diarrhea while his wife and  baby were  visiting family in India. He simply could not get to them soon enough. :'( :'(

You may never locate the cause because it may be multi-factorial and not so simple :-/.


Eating carob will help, why not give it a chance for a bit? It certainly won't hurt you.


Posted by: wwbailey, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:31pm; Reply: 11
I'm going to be making an appointment with this Center on Monday.  

http://www.ibstreatmentcenter.com/?gclid=CIqJ1vyChpwCFSMSagodFjha-w
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 11:18pm; Reply: 12
Looks expensive ::).
Posted by: wwbailey, Monday, August 3, 2009, 1:59am; Reply: 13
Well my problem has been going on since April and I've had blood work, and stool samples and nothing is showing up.  It's been constant diarrhea since then and increasing pain.  

BUT I didn't not get sober from junk food until July 14th.  Since then 99.9% compliance.  And today 100%.  (the only thing I was doing was some soy milk) but I really need to do that.

My first huge episode of IBS was in 2007.. then it went away for awhile and now it's come back full force.  It did occur a couple of times earlier in the year and we got it under control for awhile but now it's been back since April.  

It's not acting like diverticulitis so it's got to be IBS.

I really am looking forward to the food allergy testing.

I'm weak everyday and getting weaker.  I have to lay down several times a day and just have no mental motivation.  I've been doing the carob powder since you first mentioned it on the other thread.  nothing is happening as yet.  

I'm drinking electrolytes and tonight I had a shake with the following:

Pumpkin
Harmonica
Spiralina
Egg White powder
Almond Butter
Pineapple and juice
Water

So i'm hoping to not wake up tonight in horrid pain running to the toilet.  

I don't have good insurance so no matter which way I go... colonoscopy or this other doctor, I'm going to have to eat it.  

I'd rather go with a guy who wants to really find out why than go in for a colonoscopy at this juncture.  
Posted by: Tom Martens, Monday, August 3, 2009, 2:26am; Reply: 14
Be sure to get the Type O Probiotics.
Posted by: Chandon, Monday, August 3, 2009, 3:06am; Reply: 15
BTW, if you mix carob with enough fruit or fruit juice or enough of a beneficial sweetener, I find it tastes pretty good. I like it in smoothies. Also, if I mix it in something and include cherry juice, it seems more like chocolate.
Posted by: wwbailey, Monday, August 3, 2009, 3:32am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Tom Martens
Be sure to get the Type O Probiotics.


every morning and every night for 6 years now.
Posted by: yvonneb, Monday, August 3, 2009, 10:37am; Reply: 17
My heart goes out to you!
I have IBD and have been where you are- not a nice place...

Do you think you could risk taking finely ground linseed?Or slippery Elm food? Either would absorb the water, help firm things up a bit, but they also help move things on by lubricating! Could be explosive : )

If your diarrhoea is inflammation based like mine here's some help:

Fishoil for essential fatty acids which are anti-inflammatory-Dr.D' uses 'Seacure'
L-glutamine for calming and repairing an inflamed gut.
Ghee is good for feeding your beneficial gut bacteria.
Xylitol sugar substitute feeds them as well, I think. Check that one first!
Tumeric is also anti-inflammatory, as is Boswellia serrata.
The linseed also contains essential fatty acids (Omega 3).

Stick to lightly steamed veg and fish (easily digested and soluble fibre), eggs (see Suzannes blog titled 'Three Luncheons'), non gluten grain like rice (white rice until you are better) and quinoa- chew really well! Peel everything to remove the harsh fibre. Stay away from hard fats (saturated fats).

The electrolytes are good- you will need a lot of liquid and minerals to keep your strength up, drink clear soups (beef stock). Make sure you sleep well- your body heals best when you are asleep.

Another thought...some people try fasting to rest the gut. Haven't done it myself, so I don't know if it works, but it makes sense, doesn't it?

Apparently in IBS diarrhoea can also be caused by:
- food allergy- you could do an exclusion diet- a bit tricky to do, but cheap
- over excitement of the gut muscles- no idea how to fix that one
- stress- my personal nemesis, only YOU know how to fix that one- be honest with your soul- searching, I know it can be real hard to face some facts, you just gotta be brave!
- infection- should be a simple blood test, I think
- toxic overload- blood test??

Best of Luck! Hope it settles for you!
Posted by: Plucky, Monday, August 3, 2009, 1:01pm; Reply: 18
Well, I'm now pretty sure it's the agave.  I usually eat it in the morning with tons of food (3/4 of my food for the day is usually eaten in the morning) and just have diarrhea, but no gas or pains or bloating or any of that other nastiness.  But yesterday I drank it in my iced green tea in the afternoon without food (made it in the a.m. but never got around to drinking it.)  My tummy got rumbly, but not too bad.  But in the evening and last night?  Egads!  Massive gas...at one point I woke up from a stink, thinking the dumb dog must have had an accident, and realized it was me!  Then diarrhea off and on after that.

Lesson learned.  
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Monday, August 3, 2009, 1:53pm; Reply: 19
I had a similar reaction to putting it in my teas, a rumbling first....then......
Now I view agave as too good to be true....it certainly tastes like honey, bakes like honey.
I use it sparingly in baking, but generally avoid it.  In my case, I believe it has to do with
feeding the bad boys in the gut, whatever they might be.  I mean I can have it once in a while, but not every day.  I hope you feel better, and the carob is definitely a good idea also.  Before I knew what was bothering me, I made some carob brownies, I am sure I sweetened them with something like sugar that the recipe called for.  But I know they did stop the D....I tried it in hot water also.    ;)
Posted by: Plucky, Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:11pm; Reply: 20
Tummy troubles usually resolve themselves very quickly for me, but if it's not over by the time I go to the store again, I'll pick up some carob and try that.  

I was eating the agave in cream of rice cereal for awhile without any problems.  I think adding it to my tea was just too much, so once my tummy's back normal I'll try it in the cream of rice again.

I read some rather disturbing things, about how it's processed like HFCS and is high in fructose like corn syrup, with the potential for causing the same health problems.  I don't know if they are true or not, there's so many conspiracy theories out there and naysayers.  But so far, my prebreakfast blood sugars have dropped 20 points in the past couple of months, so I'm not too concerned about that at this point.  It will be interesting to see what my triglycerides are next month though, since that is something else that's supposed to be negatively affected by the agave.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:46pm; Reply: 21
As a sufferer of IBS for decades until Dr. D came along, I feel for you!  I no longer use any kind of added sweetener, and haven't for years.  They are counterproductive for me, and I do better without them.

Freshly ground chia seeds (a couple of Tb) every a.m. add gentle bulk and good fatty acids.  I also add a couple of tsp. of Dr. D's ARA 6, one of the best fibers available, which also helps to prevent all kinds of intestinal diseases, and strengthens the immune system.  Those two ingredients make a great base for smoothies.

A supplement treatment that works for me whether it is loose stools or constipation, is Triphala.
Posted by: wwbailey, Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:43pm; Reply: 22
It seems it's endless the amount of things I could try and go crazy in the process!

I've made my appointment with the IBS treatment center in Seattle to get to the root of the problem and not just try and treat the diarrhea.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Monday, August 3, 2009, 6:38pm; Reply: 23
I am all for you finding out the root of the problem.  My 25 year old son(typeO-) who is on the other side of the country had health insurance from his last year of college.  He went to an allergy center in Worcester, had some skin and blood tests done.  He is now avoiding the foods he reacted to and it seems that his highest reactions were to yeast/bakers and brewers according to the blood work, among many other foods.  So he is finally avoiding many of the foods that Type O
doesn't do well on like most dairy and wheat, and I knew he had a candida/yeast problem, as he also had fungal toenail problems.  He avoids all sweeteners right now and is limiting his fruits.  
I agree with Victoria also, sweeteners can be problematic for some of us.  I am one of those people also.  I suspect my son is an explorer.
It will very interesting to hear what you find out through the clinic visit.  My son would not try the blood type diet,  but he's on a pretty similar diet now.  I think it's very interesting.
But diarrhea, intestinal problems are the worst.  Here's to getting to the bottom of problem!
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:30am; Reply: 24
Yeah me too.  Will read thread.  Gosh, I never have diarrhea.
Posted by: Patty H, Friday, June 3, 2011, 4:38pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Plucky
Well, I'm now pretty sure it's the agave.  I usually eat it in the morning with tons of food (3/4 of my food for the day is usually eaten in the morning) and just have diarrhea, but no gas or pains or bloating or any of that other nastiness.  But yesterday I drank it in my iced green tea in the afternoon without food (made it in the a.m. but never got around to drinking it.)  My tummy got rumbly, but not too bad.  But in the evening and last night?  Egads!  Massive gas...at one point I woke up from a stink, thinking the dumb dog must have had an accident, and realized it was me!  Then diarrhea off and on after that.

Lesson learned.  


In general, Plucky, sugar in any form should be strictly limited for type O's.  If I use agave, it is only in a recipe that calls for sugar and I use it probably once every two months or so.  We get enough sugar from fruit.  I limit my fruit as well to about 2 - 3 pieces of fruit per week.  ;)
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Friday, June 3, 2011, 5:46pm; Reply: 26
I think I may have a bacterial infection from some rice.  I'm hoping that's what caused it.
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