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Posted by: Memento Mori, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 2:53am
How are you guys doing? My name is Matt and I had the worst Attention Deficit Disorder-Primarily Inattentive Type of all time up until I started the Blood Type Diet. I took a computer diagnostic test and it stopped scoring me because I did so bad, the results said that "I might not have understood the directions" but I have a Bachelor's in Psychology and I was very familiar with every aspect of the comprehensive testing. The Dr said it had only happened a few times in the several years that they had been using the diagnostic.

I would be interested in hearing about other people's experiences with the condition if they'd be willing to share, I have much insight into the condition as I have very few friends and spend most of my time researching. I've read Eat Right For Your Type several times so I think I can predict the general results of this poll, but I seek concrete data like Pacman seeks pellets and invisible ghosts.
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 3:01am; Reply: 1
I've never been formally diagnosed with ADD but I'm certain I fall within the spectrum. I used o be on medication for anxiety and depression and this seemed to make my ADD worse.  After starting the BTD I am now completely off of medication and the ADD has vanished.  I can even finish a whole novel in less than a week.  Before the BTD, I couldn't even finish the newspaper.  Many people use the BTD for physical ailments but I've seen so many people heal ADD, Depression, Anxiety, etc., on the BTD.
Posted by: Memento Mori, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 3:18am; Reply: 2
Hey Sharon, well that's the last blood type that I expected to see aha, but it's all good. How would you rate your tolerance to caffeine if you don't mind me asking? Did you cut out wheat? I cut all grains out entirely except the occasional rice and corn and I've never felt better.

I've never been formally diagnosed with it, but I know that I've had Lifetime Major Depressive Disorder with anxiety for all of my life until I started the BT Diet. My brother has the same thing except he also has panic attacks and he has some sort of inflammatory bowel disease which resembles Crohn's Disease, I got him to cut back on wheat but he wont try the actual BT Diet.

Maybe I should start a self-help group for people with family members with serious conditions that the BT Diet would help but they won't listen?
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:41am; Reply: 3
Quoted from Memento Mori
Hey Sharon, well that's the last blood type that I expected to see aha, but it's all good. How would you rate your tolerance to caffeine if you don't mind me asking? Did you cut out wheat? I cut all grains out entirely except the occasional rice and corn and I've never felt better.

I've never been formally diagnosed with it, but I know that I've had Lifetime Major Depressive Disorder with anxiety for all of my life until I started the BT Diet. My brother has the same thing except he also has panic attacks and he has some sort of inflammatory bowel disease which resembles Crohn's Disease, I got him to cut back on wheat but he wont try the actual BT Diet.

"Maybe I should start a self-help group for people with family members with serious conditions that the BT Diet would help but they won't listen?
"  I think this is a great idea! There is so much needless suffering with depression and anxiety. I try to talk to people who have tried everything and are willing to finally try the BTD.  Many people would be helped by your support.  



Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 4:42am; Reply: 4
Hi Memento, Great idea for a poll.  I'm glad ADD, depression, and anxiety are being discussed in these forums. I stopped drinking coffee in 2007 and cut out all wheat, too. If I do eat wheat accidentally, it instantly has a negative effect on my mood. I'm like the canary in the coal mine when wheat is involved. How do you react to wheat and coffee?  How long have you been wheat free?

I mainly stick with beneficial foods for my AB blood type .  Dark meat turkey has really  helped with my tryptophan serotonin and has helped ward off depression.  I try to stay away from grains but I do have rice and Quinoa.  When I do too many grains, I can become addicted so I even try to  limit my rice intake.  I think this is a nonnie thing.

Prior to the blood type diet, I drank 5-6 cups of coffee/day. Coffee didn't have any noticeable effects, I was just addicted.  I needed an IV drip of coffee to function.  I quit coffee cold turkey after I read Eat Right For Your Type. Coffee is pretty much an avoid for all Blood Types except A's.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:34am; Reply: 5
Sharon try some aminoacids like l'tryptophane,l'tyrosine and others instead of chemical bombes, also l'arginine works fine for us ;)

Yep I stopped drinking caf since 2006 and since 1998 nearly wheatfree as well; but I use large amounts of minerals and trace elements and aminoacids to stay balanced ;D..... I think we have to be aware of something: instantly if we compare a situation with our selves we are this and that...so we might become it.... that'swhy stay as an observer in you midst and act to your very best in changing diet and lifestyle.... much better and easier instead of being the victim of
whitecoateds ;) ;D......and of course pharmalobby.... :-/.....
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:32pm; Reply: 6
Tomatillo, Thanks for the amino acid suggestions.  Where can I get them?
Posted by: Memento Mori, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:37pm; Reply: 7
Hey Sharon, did you know that there are three substances which can be used to allow a person with ADD to concentrate, in order of effectiveness they are caffeine, nicotine, and amphetamine. But caffeine and nicotine have paradoxical effects because they'll allow someone to concentrate for a short period of time, and then after that it's much harder to concentrate without another 'dose' of the substance. I'm sure that this is part of the reason that so many people with A.D.D., and similar conditions, smoke cigarettes and consume so much coffee.

Wheat is horrible for me, number one offender big time, I used to pass out in high school all of the time -it got so bad that I had an overnight sleep study but it found nothing except "heightened restlessness." I'm pretty sure that the symptoms were caused by wheat because I quit it entirely about 6 months ago and I began to feel better than I've ever felt in no time. About 4-5 months ago I started following the blood type diet pretty close to 100% of the time, I currently eat no grains with the exception of the occasional rice or corn (maybe once or twice a month).

Coffee is a little different for some reason, I'd only drink it once or twice a week but when I did I'd drank a lot because my friend works at a coffee place so I'd get free coffee/espressos. He was amazed that I could drink a whole pot of espresso (5-6 servings) and go home and go to sleep within the hour. He said most people get jittery after a serving or two but I could even drink it 30 minutes before I went to sleep and I slept fine.

Have you ever tried tyrosine like Tomatilla mentioned? I started taking it a few days ago and it seems to help with my depression. Green tea is a great coffee replacement I think, that's what I switched to.

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http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-L-Tyrosine-Tablets-tablets/dp/B001G7R4MI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1248899879&sr=8-3

This is where I get my tyrosine, it's $19. for 300 thanks to Amazon's multipack discounts. Since I only take one a day this is almost a year supply for less than $20 plus shipping, unless you're a member of Amazon Prime then you get free unlimited 2 day shipping for $80 a year I think it is.
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:47pm; Reply: 8
Hi Memento, Wow! I can relate to the coffee.  I could also drink a whole pot of coffee before bedtime. Coffee actually helped me go to sleep.  I never thought about it that way.  It makes sense though since ritalin is prescribed to ADD patients.  It's counterintuitive to give an "upper" like ritalin to a person with ADD but just like coffee it helps to calm the ADD mind.  I'm ashamed to say that I also used to smoke but as soon as I started seeing results with the BTD in April 2007, I quit. The diet has literally transformed me into a healthy and happy person.  I'm unrecognizable to my old friends. I still have Obsessive Compulsive tendencies but it doesn't interfere with my life.
I've never tried tyrosine but would like to learn more about these amino acids.  Can I get them at a local store?
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 8:49pm; Reply: 9
Great! Thanks for the tyrosine link. Have you ever tried arginine or tryptophan?
Posted by: Memento Mori, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 11:32pm; Reply: 10
Some nutritional stores will carry them, but they tend to mark the price up quite a bit just like all specialty stores. I have obsessive compulsive tendencies as well, I think the tyrosine is helping with this as well. I've tried arginine and tryptophan, arginine didn't seem to do anything for me and since I already take plenty of vitamins, nutrients, and aminos I stopped taking it. In Live Right for Your Type Dr. D recommends arginine for people that are blood type B and AB.

I prefer 5-HTP to tryptophan, I can't quite remember why, it's probably in my notes somewhere but I can't find it. They're probably both good for you though.
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 11:36pm; Reply: 11
Thanks Memento!  I will start out with Arginine first and I'll keep you updated on my progress.  This is great information.  :)
Posted by: Sharon, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 11:39pm; Reply: 12
I'm trying to figure out the Amino acid connection and Blood Type.

Tyrosine beneficial for O.
Arginine beneficial for AB.
Arginine beneficial for B

Therefore, is tryptophan beneficial for A?
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 11:41pm; Reply: 13
try your search here
http://www.google.com/custom?q=tryptophan&sa=Search+The+Site&cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A4452213b291e6613%3B&domains=dadamo.com&sitesearch=dadamo.com
Posted by: Memento Mori, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:14am; Reply: 14
Tryptophan and 5-HTP either one should boost your serotonin levels and therefore help with your depression, neither substance is mentioned in Live Right For Your Type so there are probably no blood type reactions. My brother said that they seemed to make him drowsy, serotonin can be further converted to melatonin, so he takes his in the evening.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:07am; Reply: 15
Quoted Text
Most of the newer type tryptophane supplements ('5HT') are derived from Griffonia.
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive9/config.pl?read=55657
but 5HTP is probably OK in type O's


Quoted Text
Unfortunately, I've given up using it in my own practice as it didn't seem t work all that effectively, certainly not as effective as the older pre-problem L-tryptophane.

In general O's are better off boosting dopamine than they are boosting
serotonin. Perhaps you should try a little L-tyrosine instead..
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:34am; Reply: 16
would recommend to give a try as followed: in the morning 250 or 500mg's of l'tyrosine and in the afternoon at about 14 o'clock 250-500mg's of l'arginine and the tryptophane at night for a good sleep ;)...Btw.... don't be ashamed about being compulsive....this can be converted into a highly usable situation called work ;) :D....and I used to smoke as well 10 years ago, committed nearly all kind of badies in my life coz of being thaaat curieuse how it will affect whatsoever:-/ BUT I wasn't aware that I am a *royal* so far it came out (dizzy)(shhh)(mad)(shrug)...... since I live with BTD (1998) I am more than pleased and feel great and healthy and happy and won't look back for a moment ;).....today is important...yesterday is gone...tomorrow isn't important to think about ...now...now...now!!!!  ;)(dance)(ok)(smarty)(sunny)(goofy)(whistle)(hehe)......
have a fine day ....btw...all aminoacids are to be seen in HFS  :D
Posted by: shells, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:16am; Reply: 17
. Parent Bi-Polar
. Sibling Major Depression
. 2 Nephews Bi-Polar
. 2 Children Depression
. 2 Children ADD/ADHD

All "O's"    :o
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 11:20am; Reply: 18
Have you looked at the Genotype diet? Wonder if you are a Hunter? :)
Posted by: Plucky, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:25pm; Reply: 19
5htp is listed in Live Right, for O's, under "Supplements for neurochemical balance", page 132, along with folic acid, glutamine, and methylcobalamin.
Posted by: Plucky, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:29pm; Reply: 20
I was seriously wondering if I had ADD for awhile, but after going through a diagnostic checklist, I find that hardly any of the signs apply to me and that I'm really just a scatterbrained multitasker who can't sit still and do nothing for long.  Taking care of a b12 deficiency has restored memory function, which I think was a major contributor to my scatterbrainedness  ;D  
Posted by: Sharon, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:52pm; Reply: 21
[quote=1494] since I live with BTD (1998) I am more than pleased and feel great and healthy and happy and won't look back for a moment ;).....today is important...yesterday is gone...tomorrow isn't important to think about ...now...now...now!!!!  

So true!
Posted by: Chloe, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:22pm; Reply: 22
I can't vote because this doesn't apply to me...but it applies to my two grandsons
and my husband.  My husband is type A and simply appears to have ADD... as does my 10 year old grandson (also type A) who has been diagnosed as ADD by his performance in school and his inability to take his time to read instructions or pay attention to details...He's got tons of energy and appears to be hyperactive as well.
So that's ADHD if we label him.  

My 13 year old grandson is type O and he's pretty poor at focusing as well, although he's really smart and is far more calm than the 10 year old. These kids
are cousins, not brothers.  

.... My mother in law seemed to have ADD..  Type O...yet a highly intelligent woman...Just couldn't focus on anything people were saying...and she interrupted constantly and talked when people were talking to her......And when someone would finally get her focused, she had no clue that any of us were ever trying to engage her..  I think it's my mother in law's genetics that my husband and grandsons got more than anything...because this is two different blood types.  And it skipped a generation because my sons didn't have ADD. And both of my son's
daughters are super calm and highly focused children.

So here's the argument for following the GTD if you're going to have children...
Silence those ADD genes. :) If my mother in law had been following the GTD
before she had my husband, this might have been prevented. I'd like to think so!
Posted by: Memento Mori, Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:14pm; Reply: 23
Thanks Chloe, your 13-year-old grandson sounds like me, I've never had hyperactivity. I have ADD-Primarily Inattentive type- this is the kind of ADD where instead of having difficulty focusing and being really hyper the person has difficulty focusing and they retreat into their thoughts/mind. It's a rather invisible type of ADD, I now have a Psychology Bachelor's but I didn't realize that I had ADD until I was in my junior year.  My condition has gotten much better after a few months on the blood type diet, I hope that your husband can give it a try because if it works for me then it can work for anyone. I know all about the ADD diagnostic testing that I took but I did so poorly on the computer portion that it stopped scoring me, the Dr said that the results indicated that I "had serious periods of inattention."

I don't mean to sound rude, but people with ADD tend to have higher intelligence than the general population- many historians say that Thomas Jefferson had either ADD or Asperger's Syndrome. I think I know why your mother in law interrupted people constantly, when I'm talking to someone if something they say brings something to mind then I have to either say it almost immediately or I forget it. It's definitely rude to interrupt people, but sometimes it's the only way to participate in a conversation for people like us. If I start listening good to the person after something comes to mind then I always forget it, so some people like me will pretend to listen to the person but actually just be thinking about what they're going to say next. To me this is even ruder than interrupting people, since you're wasting the other person's time since you're not really listening to them. That's some powerful irony there, because the people that are pretending to listen to others seem much more polite but they're actually just waiting for their chance to talk.

The primary cause of ADD worldwide is a disrupted brain network in the prefrontal cortex that is of genetic origin, if a person eats foods that they aren't processing well then it makes the condition much worse through the manipulation of various neurotransmitters. I stopped eating wheat completely before I started the blood type diet and there is not a doubt in my mind that wheat is the number one offender. I had heard of the blood type diet years ago from a friend, but I never seriously looked into it- until my research clearly showed that ADD was greatly worsened by the ingestion of wheat. Then I told my friend and he said that my research was very relevant to the blood type diet so I independently researched the diet, before I got the book so I wouldn't be biased, and lo and behold I found William C. Boyd's work with lectins and it was a serious piece of the puzzle.

Do you know your husband's parents blood types? Because if you're husband is a genotype Ao then he carries a recessive BT O, my thoughts are that this could be enough to cause ADD. Following that same logic, if your sons are BT AA then they wouldn't carry the ADD genes. Since your grandsons are BT O they do carry the ADD genes if I'm correct.
Posted by: Chloe, Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:26am; Reply: 24
Quoted from Memento Mori


Do you know your husband's parents blood types? Because if you're husband is a genotype Ao then he carries a recessive BT O, my thoughts are that this could be enough to cause ADD. Following that same logic, if your sons are BT AA then they wouldn't carry the ADD genes. Since your grandsons are BT O they do carry the ADD genes if I'm correct.



Husband's mother was  type O (My MIL)....My husband's father was type A...My sons are type A but given my husband and I are type A too, they are probably AAs...My oldest grandson is type O, (his mother is an O, father an A) youngest grandson is type A and both his parents are A.

Come to think of it, my daughter in law, type O with the type O calmer 13 yr, old ADD child appears to have ADD herself.  She's also very smart but talks while others  are talking.  Doesn't ever stop talking to listen and can't focus when someone  talks to her.  It's so much easier for me to email her...
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:11am; Reply: 25
I am nearly sure that the overload of no-no-sugars are the culprit of ADD/ADHS.... nothing else and then our psychograms which need more space and place *to be* instead of getting settled very early by boring teachers at school ;) ;D....
We have to accept...kiddies are kiddies and it is our own interest to take them as kiddies and not as little adults...(pray)(goofy)(dissappointed)expecting things they in reality can't stand.... :-/

btw...when testing kiddies I see lacks..lacks....lacks of trace elements, minerals and mostly B-vits.... :o :o :P....even some needs of aminoacids and yuck it is ;)..... in reality it can be that simple if only parents would be more aware about simplicity....and no chemical drugs for children!!! Did you realized that giving Ritalin to children augments instant death up to 600%??) !!! It's not me who claims that..but a therapist to be seen at Avram Hoffers youtube explanations....(scared)(think)(dizzy)(eek)(hand)......today we accept merely all from teachers,docs, advocats etc. instead of looking beyond and being aware about struggles to be the one who's giving away his/her responsabilities!!! :-/
have an eye onto R.Steiner schools even better at my oppinion are the
Montesori' schools ;) ;D....(wiseman)(clap)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)....
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:08am; Reply: 26
Rudolf Steiner method schools seem very good in developing calm and focused children, I knew a group of them and I appreciated the results as a private music teacher, they have a more natural,organc if possible,  no preserving and emusifiers diet ( I fear nearly vegetarian for O and B blood groups) and no television for kids, but sports, plays and arts in the free time and at schools. If I had children and feared ADD AHDD or similar problems I'd look for a Steiner school

Maria Giovanna
Posted by: ABJoe, Friday, July 31, 2009, 1:49pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from Chloe



Husband's mother was  type O (My MIL)....My husband's father was type A...My sons are type A but given my husband and I are type A too, they are probably AAs...My oldest grandson is type O, (his mother is an O, father an A) youngest grandson is type A and both his parents are A.

Since the O is the recessive trait, any A or B can carry a recessive o.  An O must pass an O to all offspring and an A or B can pass either the Dominant A/B or the recessive o.  :)

Since your husband's mother was Oo, your husband must be Ao.

Your oldest grandson - Oo shows that his father is Ao to be able to pass the recessive o to his son...

The youngest grandson is impossible to tell from the information given...

Posted by: Sharon, Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:21pm; Reply: 28
I wonder if breastfed children versus bottle fed children has any effect on ADD.
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:50pm; Reply: 29
haa... Sharon... breast milk shouldn't contain any added sugars nor chemical bombes...normally..... but in those times it can be and it is alike, that even breastmilk contains badies like heavy metals etc...very
fine to get to know that our youngsters are poisened up from their very first breath, even further...coz of our envirenements.... :-/and needs of industrial overgrowth................. :P.....
(mad)(scared)(think)(think)
Posted by: Sharon, Friday, July 31, 2009, 4:52pm; Reply: 30
Fucosylation and breastfeeding... I'd like to start a forum about this since I'm trying to learn more about breastfeeding and the effects it has on mental illness in adults.  It makes sense that children who are breast fed have more fucosylation since breast milk has much more beneficial sugars than formula alone.  I wonder if breastfed children are less likely to have ADD, Depression, Anxiety, Drug Addictions? I searched Pubmed and Medline but couldn't find any studies.  I only recall studies based on less allergies of breastfed babies.


My mom couldn't breast feed me so I was formula fed. I guess there are some women who are unable to produce enough milk.  I just starting to learn about this.  Someone mentioned LaLeche League.  I'll take a look into that.  I'm looking for good alternatives to formula just in case I can't breastfeed.
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:33pm; Reply: 31
ahem, Sharon, please don't forget the non-verbal communication between mum's and kiddies during breastfeedings.....(whistle)(goofy) :D.... ;) ;D........
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:46pm; Reply: 32
Holy words Isa and also Omega 3 from fish if mommy's diet is rich of fish, tha is so important for nerves and brain.
Posted by: Memento Mori, Friday, July 31, 2009, 10:29pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Amazone I.
I am nearly sure that the overload of no-no-sugars are the culprit of ADD/ADHS.... nothing else and then our psychograms which need more space and place *to be* instead of getting settled very early by boring teachers at school ;) ;D....
We have to accept...kiddies are kiddies and it is our own interest to take them as kiddies and not as little adults...(pray)(goofy)(dissappointed)expecting things they in reality can't stand.... :-/


Sugar isn't actually a stimulant, that's a misconception and the Genotype Diet book talks quite a bit about how many of the Type O traits are adaptations to hunting: the DRD4 mutation* is linked to ADD and Autism, two common blood type O traits. Stimulants work different in people with these genes, I myself sleep better on Adderall but the majority of people would be up all night if they took a 1/4 of the dose that I used to take. Tomatilla, I know what you're saying about the over diagnosis of hyper children with the genetic condition ADD but that doesn't mean that the condition isn't a valid one- it just means that big pharma is taking advantage of an actual condition in order to make big money. This of course isn't a big surprise, because the majority of people/companies are most concerned with their own money above all else.

"The 48-base pair VNTR in exon 3 range from 2 to 11 repeats. The frequency of the alleles varies greatly between populations, e.g., the 7-repeat version has high incidence in American and low in Asia.[7] "Long" versions of polymorphisms are the alleles with 6 to 10 repeats.

The 'DRD4 long' variant, or more specifically the 7 repeat (7R), has been loosely linked to a susceptibility for developing ADHD[8] and other psychological traits and disorders, like autism.

7R appears to react less strongly to dopamine molecules.[9]

The 48 bp VNTR has been the subject of much speculation about its evolution and role in human behaviors cross-culturally. The 7R allele appears to have been selected for about 40,000 years ago.[7]. In 1999 Chen and colleagues[10] observed that populations who migrated farther in the past 30,000 to 1,000 years ago had a higher frequency of 7R/long alleles. They also showed that nomadic populations had higher frequencies of 7R alleles than sedentary ones. More recently it was observed that the health status of nomadic Ariaal men was higher if they had 7R alleles. However in recently sedentary (non-nomadic) Ariaal those with 7R alleles seemed to have slightly deteriorated health.[11]"
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:20pm; Reply: 34
right!
great read!
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/protoscience--frontier-medicine/?blog=24
Posted by: Memento Mori, Saturday, August 1, 2009, 1:27am; Reply: 35
Wow that's really interesting Lola, now this begs an interesting question: what was Einstein's blood type (and genotype but I know that this isn't going to happen)? Am I correct in thinking that people that are blood type O have more fucose than the other types as a result of their antigen type?
Posted by: shells, Saturday, August 1, 2009, 11:35am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Sharon
I wonder if breastfed children versus bottle fed children has any effect on ADD.


Two type "O" boys that were fully breastfed for over a year ended up with ADD, one diagnosed on the autistic spectrum.  One of my babies could only feed for 3 minute intervals each half hour or so (oh the engorgement!) and could not be left in the one position for any length of time and daytime sleep was virtually not there   :-/

There are slight autistic traits throughout my extended family as well and when I think about it are also ADD types.   ::)

Does anyone else find these connections?  
Posted by: Memento Mori, Saturday, August 1, 2009, 11:43pm; Reply: 37
Dr. D'Adamo mentions in several places how many blood type O traits are adaptations to hunting, and there are countless theoreticians that came before him that said the same thing. ADD is a genetic condition, as is Autism, to tell you the truth I believe that I have Asperger's condition and I do know for fact that the fight or flight response is very very relevant to ADD and Autistic spectrum conditions as I'm 24 years-old and I feel as if I've been in a "reactionary coma" for my entire life. I retreated into my mind to think about whatever interested me the most at any given time, I only reacted to stimuli around me and then after doing so I retreated into my mind again.

I can't properly differentiate between emotions, and I used to have a hard time expressing myself so I would get mad when others didn't understand me. Something that Dr. D'Adamo said really jumped out at me when I was reading today, he said that people that are blood type O should be very careful as to what kind of vaccinations that they receive. I know that there are many studies which show a correlation between conditions on the Autism spectrum and vaccinations- from 1986 to today the rate of Autism has went up thousands of times.

My biggest question is was blood type ever controlled for in any of the studies which seemed to disprove that the shots caused Autism? If Dr. D' Adamo, and myself, are correct in our assertions then it's BT O people that have the potential to get Autism after the shots but the groups they used for the studies which I just spoke of were made up of people from all blood types- this would make it appear that the correlation between Autism and the shots was much smaller than it actually is.

I don't mean to say that breastfeeding couldn't make a difference, because it could potentially affect some variables but, speaking from my own experience and all of the research I've read improper digestion of wheat is the main factor. As Dr. D'Adamo said, "wheat enhances the effect of Dopamine beta hydroxylase... an enzyme that turns dopamine into stress hormones." Therefore, people with this condition, as well as other BT O conditions, would have an abundance of stress hormones but a deficiency of dopamine- this would lead to distractibility, depression, and rage just to name a few.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 12:50am; Reply: 38
Thank you M. Mori for your explanation of patient from an ADD perspective.  It covers a ton of frustrating experiences in my life.

You are right saying that ADD is genetic.  I would like to go further; ADD and Spectrum are neurological developmental inefficiencies triggered in utero for those who are genetically and epigenetically vulnerable.  The diagnosies of ADD seem to target predominantly Anglo and Hispanic language populations.  In contrast, type O is the most pervasive blood type in the world.

I am not saying that you are off the track since the frequency of type O among ADD-diagnosed populations could be the greatest blood type bias that Dr. D'Adamo has ever seen.

I do not use the amino acids except for intestinal/muscular support.

Have you read the GTD book?  I believe that the Genotype paradigm will reveal much that is now murky regarding wellness.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:27am; Reply: 39
sorry to interupt you here... but here merely the knowledge of psyche patterns is really helpful...mostly NT's seems to be attaint from such issues... and sorry I've to warn about stepping into identifications phases... why... read about the possibilities to change... go for the enneagram and then you will know where are the real culprits ;) ....

I am this and that ..holds you into those patterns.... we all are able to change for the better... proof = BTD ;) :D..... but even here without efforts....our lives changed for the better whithin weeks....!

Stay as the observer without any judgements...and then lets it happen... become the one you'll become is one of the famoust interpretations of some "holy* words.... but sorry it is really true :D(dance)(ok)(smarty)(sunny)
Posted by: Memento Mori, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:18pm; Reply: 40
Hey Paul, how are you? I just began reading the genotype diet book yesterday, I don't mean to say that everyone with blood type O has ADD, because I know that there are many more factors than just this involved. The DRD4 mutation is one of these factors, and I believe that it could be one of the major factors involved epigentically.

"The dopamine receptor D4 is a G protein-coupled receptor encoded by the DRD4 gene.[1] As with other dopamine receptor subtypes, the D4 receptor is activated by the neurotransmitter dopamine. It is also a target for drugs which treat schizophrenia and Parkinson disease. The D4 receptor is considered to be D2-like in which the activated receptor inhibits the enzyme adenylyl cyclase, thereby reducing the intracellular concentration of the second messenger cyclic AMP.[2]"

"Mutations in this gene have been associated with various behavioral phenotypes, including autonomic nervous system dysfunction, attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder,[4] schizophrenia,[5] and the personality trait of novelty seeking.[6]"

A very interesting aspect about this mutation is that the original mutation (I don't have my notes in front of me so I'm not sure of the names) is present in many areas but the areas are primarily the two Americas, there is a further mutation of the 7R allele in Asia but the original mutation is no longer there. This shows that the original mutation wasn't selected for in Asia but it was very very greatly in the Americas. A massive percent of Native Americans from the North and South have the allele, I'm almost certain that I have it after getting into the more detailed science around it. This is described in detail in The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Culture Has Sped Up Evolution.


"The 'DRD4 long' variant, or more specifically the 7 repeat (7R), has been loosely linked to a susceptibility for developing ADHD[8] and other psychological traits and disorders, like autism.

7R appears to react less strongly to dopamine molecules.[9]

The 48 bp VNTR has been the subject of much speculation about its evolution and role in human behaviors cross-culturally. The 7R allele appears to have been selected for about 40,000 years ago.[7]. In 1999 Chen and colleagues[10] observed that populations who migrated farther in the past 30,000 to 1,000 years ago had a higher frequency of 7R/long alleles. They also showed that nomadic populations had higher frequencies of 7R alleles than sedentary ones. More recently it was observed that the health status of nomadic Ariaal men was higher if they had 7R alleles. However in recently sedentary (non-nomadic) Ariaal those with 7R alleles seemed to have slightly deteriorated health.

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Tomatillo, I know what you're saying but I just use my self, my family, and friends to learn about the condition through observation. I'm a very quiet person, I barely said anything throughout public school. I was a reactionary mute, only speaking when directly spoken to and usually having to ask the person to repeat themselves.

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Paul, I wonder if you have a problem scanning lines of text with your eyes like me? I have almost 20-20 vision but the letters are all jumbled together if the text is to close together. I always use at least space and a half spacing because of this, but I prefer double. If I read most books I have no problem but sometimes it bothers me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:11pm; Reply: 41
I'm pretty sure my 2nd DD has ADD, but I'm not sure if she's a B or an O.

She was never formally diagnosed, but I did have her therapist say "she has ODD and ADD tendencies"- the therapist was not "qualified" to make a formal diagnosis but is extremely well-versed in treating ADD children. I never pursued a formal diagnosis because I put her on the Feingold Program and her symptoms diminished, and I didn't want to deal with pressure from the school to medicate her.

She's only "borderline" ADD when she's perfect with Feingold compliance, and I suspect she'd lose even more symptoms if she fully followed BTD or GTD. (but at age 13, I can only do so much with controlling her diet. I buy the groceries but she eats at friends' houses, goes out to eat with friends, etc.)

I have some signs of ADD myself, but I also haven't been formally  diagnosed. I have far fewer symptoms (of all types- muscle pain, headaches, ADD like tendencies, etc) when I eat well.
Posted by: Victoria, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:33pm; Reply: 42
This is off the conversation line, but I may not be on the computer enough to follow this thread enough to do it justice.  So, I apologize!  

I was wondering if it is specifically coffee that appears to give relief to ADD sufferers, or if caffeine in other forms would also be effective.  This is, of course, with the BTD/GTS appropriate sources of caffeine in mind.   ;)

Thanks for such an interesting topic.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, August 2, 2009, 9:10pm; Reply: 43
Yes M. Mori, I used to have trouble reading.  Effectively I was reading my own idiosyncratic version of English.

Starting in the summer before Grade 4 and into Grade 5 I received therapy from the Listening Centre in Toronto.  The therapist was Paul Maudel, who was effectively without any language before his therapy.  He now speaks 5 languages fluently and some others to lesser degrees.

My experience was that the therapy hard, and especially stressful.  The academic result was that in Grade 5, in the space of one term, all my grades jumped up a letter, except English which went from a D to a B.  The interior experience at that time was that everyone became easier to understand and my reading was faster.  I only discovered that I had been "dragging concrete blocks" all my life when the "chains were broken."

The stress and time (therapy about 25 hours/week average) and the expense is a big "I owe you" to my parents, who experienced some passive therapy as well.

I was told to ignore university before the therapy, but I worked for four years and obtained BSc. in Math.

According to Dr. Tomatis, the now deceased founder of the Listening Therapy, the ear is the first sense fully developed in utero and a necessary source of signal for neurological individuation and development of the brain. Any electronic device needs energy and signal to work.  Listening attunement is developed in utero, so second generation Italian Canadians speak English with a mainly Canadian inflection since their mothers do not often provide them with an dominantly Italian sonic utero experience.

Some of Dr. Tomatis' books have been translated from the original French.  The Listening Ear often reads like 16th century English, but is well worth the effort.

My hope is that the analytical lens of Genotypes will further refine alternative approaches and enhance their effectiveness.  If I could study both Nutrigenomics and Listening Therapy in the same setting, I would move heaven and earth to do so.

P.S. What kind of test would be required to discover one's DRD4 gene?  ADD is gender biased, but what of studies of that separate language bias from genetic bias?
Posted by: Memento Mori, Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:39am; Reply: 44
Quoted from Victoria
This is off the conversation line, but I may not be on the computer enough to follow this thread enough to do it justice.  So, I apologize!

I was wondering if it is specifically coffee that appears to give relief to ADD sufferers, or if caffeine in other forms would also be effective.  This is, of course, with the BTD/GTS appropriate sources of caffeine in mind.   ;)

Thanks for such an interesting topic.


Hey Victoria, there are three substances which can be used to allow a person with ADD to concentrate, in order of effectiveness they are caffeine, nicotine, and amphetamine. But caffeine and nicotine have paradoxical effects because they'll allow someone to concentrate for a short period of time, and then after that it's much harder to concentrate without another 'dose' of the substance. I'm sure that this is part of the reason that so many people with A.D.D., and similar conditions, smoke cigarettes and consume so much coffee.

If coffee works for you then Tyrosine should work as well, it's done wonders for me and my sister. I prefer this kind*, and it's less than $20 for a month supply, it does the same thing as Adderall but it does it naturally.

*
http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine-tablets/dp/B000GFSV28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249259842&sr=8-1
Posted by: Memento Mori, Monday, August 3, 2009, 1:04am; Reply: 45
Quoted from paul clucas


According to Dr. Tomatis, the now deceased founder of the Listening Therapy, the ear is the first sense fully developed in utero and a necessary source of signal for neurological individuation and development of the brain. Any electronic device needs energy and signal to work.  Listening attunement is developed in utero, so second generation Italian Canadians speak English with a mainly Canadian inflection since their mothers do not often provide them with an dominantly Italian sonic utero experience.

P.S. What kind of test would be required to discover one's DRD4 gene?  ADD is gender biased, but what of studies that separate language bias from genetic bias?


That's really interesting Paul I should check that out when I'm finished with my two books I'm working on now. I'm not sure of the exact genetic test for the DRD4 allele, but I am certain that it would be expensive. I think that people who carry the DRD4 gene are very likely, if not always hunters, it has been suggested by many people in the past that the mutation is an adaptation to hunting that allows for quick bursts of speed through an overactive fight or flight response. I think that eating wheat worsens the already existing, and adaptive, genetic by way of raising cAMP levels- the DRD4 mutation is a hypoactive dopamine receptor, this receptor lowers cAMP levels so since it requires more dopamine to activate this would lead to excess cAMP. When a person eats wheat and doesn't digest it good then it leads to higher cAMP levels, this would directly cause a dramatic worsening of whatever particular genetic condition a person has.

Ah but is ADD physically/genetically gender biased or is it's diagnosis simply gender biased? Women that have the condition are much more likely to have ADD-Primarily Inattentive while men are more likely to have ADHD- ADHD is way easier to diagnose. Even someone that knows nothing about psychology could see ADHD traits in people, but ADD is another story- I worked on my psychology bachelor's for 3 years before I realized that I had ADD-Primarily Inattentive. Now that I've been on the blood type diet for awhile I can read people easily, I used to couldn't at all, now I see people all of the time with ADD-PI and they usually have no idea that they have it. It's really strange, it reminds me of the way you said that you began to experience things differently after learning language much better.
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:10pm; Reply: 46
Well I admit that I am pretty attached and defensive of the Listening Therapy since I did receive so much from it.  It can certainly be improved upon and Genotype differentiation would probably be very effective.  

The need for long periods of low activity levels with unpredictable needs for bursts of high activity levels answers for herders as well as hunters.  Killing (and possibly eating) the natural predators of the flock is as primary as securing enough grazing greenery.

About thirty-five years ago, when I was diagnosed by educational psychologist, there were about four boys who were "Dyslexic" for every girl.  There are only two explanations that I have heard for this gender disparity.  The popular one was that the male brain uses less specialized spaces for listening than the female brain.  "No wonder men don't listen to us!"  The other, more specific, was that Tourettes Syndrome had a great female gender bias so the was and "uneven equality" in all the neurological pathologies.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 12:31am; Reply: 47
Quoted from Memento Mori


Hey Victoria, there are three substances which can be used to allow a person with ADD to concentrate, in order of effectiveness they are caffeine, nicotine, and amphetamine. But caffeine and nicotine have paradoxical effects because they'll allow someone to concentrate for a short period of time, and then after that it's much harder to concentrate without another 'dose' of the substance. I'm sure that this is part of the reason that so many people with A.D.D., and similar conditions, smoke cigarettes and consume so much coffee.

If coffee works for you then Tyrosine should work as well, it's done wonders for me and my sister. I prefer this kind*, and it's less than $20 for a month supply, it does the same thing as Adderall but it does it naturally.

*
http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine-tablets/dp/B000GFSV28/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249259842&sr=8-1


Thanks for the reminder about Tyrosine, Memento.  :-) I deal with chronic fatigue, which is different that what you are discussing, of course, yet I see many similarities!

According to Traditional Chinese Medicine, excessive caffeine will give temporary energy by draining a person's adrenals.  But with deep fatigue, it has been very tempting to rely on that temporary boost, which clears the mind (for a little while).  Coffee went out the window with the BTD, but I have to limit my green tea intake for the same reason.

I remember Tyrosine bringing a great sense of well-being, so thanks again.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:03am; Reply: 48
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/DRD4_(Dopamine_Receptor_D4)_Gene
Posted by: Memento Mori, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:35am; Reply: 49
High levels of testosterone are known to cause hemisphere specialization in the brain, the left hemisphere is responsible for production of speech in about 85% of people but roughly 15% are right hemisphere dominant- these people are usually left handed. Paul, what direction do you look to when you're trying to remember something? Is your face symmetrical and what's the ratio of your index finger to ring finger?

Thanks Lola.
Posted by: shells, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:13am; Reply: 50
I do find this thread very interesting...thank you.

One of my four sons was diagnosed "dreamy ADD" and is in his twenties now.  If only I knew back then what I know now, especially about wheat, maybe he would have turned out a little different.  He and his ADHD brother both had speech problems during the pre-school years and had years of speech therapy (the listening/hearing connection??)

My 'dreamy ADD' son is still not working even though he has a Bachelor's Degree from University in IT.  He has an addiction to bread and all things wheat.  Does not communicate but only when spoken to, even though he has an extremely even nature.  He hardly physically moves and is the only very overweight person in the immediate and extended family.

This is in great contrast to the ADHD who as a child thought that there were only two emotions happy and angry and boy does he express these both!  This teenager is slim, eats like a horse, and cannot do any one thing for too long, gets bored easily and has to be going somewhere or being amused.  I am sure this one medicates himself with alcohol or other doping substances.  

Like I said if only I knew back then what I know now    ::)
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 7:59am; Reply: 51
::) leads me to ask what's about your thyroide??) :D....why not giving a try to kelp??).....and what's about a higher intake of glutamic acid, especially for you- the O's ??)....

btw...the dislexic thing seems to be a big part of the psychograms of the no 6 in the enneagram ;) .....so far justamente take care in what you are going to identify ;) ;D.....(goofy)(whistle)


p.s.
intp's are acting j'like meant here is that swifting between p and j...so far  :o :D ;D ;D... no wonder Paul ;) .....


the archives of http://www.brucelipton.com are interesting to read ... :o ;D :D
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:56pm; Reply: 52
I'm glad I found this thread, even coming in so late.  I've talked a good deal about ADD/spectrum because I deal with it too.  I don't have the time or patience  at the moment to repeat everything I've written on the subject, but I do know very recently we were talking about it on an Explorer thread, if somebody can find a link to that.

I was officially diagnosed with dyslexia and ADD (and maybe more, but I don't remember, and neither does my mom) when I was in about 5th grade.  Starting the summer after 5th grade, I entered what's called the Discovery Program, which is a therapy program through NILD (National Institute for Learning Disabilities).  I went to private school, so I didn't have the benefits of the Special Education programs.  I was one of the first children at the school to be in the Discovery Program.  I remember being really embarrassed that everybody knew I was in the program, because the other kids in it were weird (and everybody knew it).  I knew I was weird, but I hoped it didn't show all that much.  

I didn't speak much unless spoken to either, but it wasn't that I didn't have anything to say (or that I didn't have the ability to say it), it's that I learned early on from my older brothers that everything coming out of my mouth was stupid.  I learned to keep my mouth shut at home, and I learned quickly at school that when I was called on to read out loud (which I dreaded---I love it now, because my children laugh and laugh at the personality and tone of voice I give each character), or to do a math problem on the chalk board, I couldn't do it right.  I always, always, always got the math problems wrong.  The other children would roll their eyes or chuckle.  Even through middle school I dreaded having to read out loud because I'd mix words up or read the wrong paragraph (usually the one that was just read, but I didn't realize I was repeating it because I wasn't listening--I was just dreading having to slooooowly read so I wouldn't say something like "Columbus discovered America in 1942," at which point the whole class would burst into laughter.  I wouldn't know why, but would have to try hard not to cry, and then would feel like dirt the rest of the day.)

I completed the program by the end of 8th grade.  Their claim is that the therapy makes connections between the right and left sides of the brain that weren't there before.  In one writing method (called Rhythmic Writing, done on the chalk board), you have to reach across the midline of your body to do the activities, supposedly helping connect the sides of the brain.   I very much believe it helped me organize my brain.

Caffeine does wonders to my ability to think.  A thyroid supplement has helped in the past (not kelp, though), but I kind of quit taking it after a while.

On the Explorer thread we had talked about some of this being Explorer traits, but as I pointed out on that thread, they are also non-secretor traits. Most of us who are giving input on this subject are nonnies.

The mandatory achievement tests every couple of years were interesting.  On spelling (strangely enough) and logic, and the cool little spacial designs that gave you a series of shapes, then asked you what would come next, I would test way above my grade level.  But on listening or reading comprehension, I was way below grade level, to the point of getting nearly every question wrong.  I couldn't remember what was read long enough to answer the questions, and by the time I read the paragraph 4 times and got to the first question, the time was up.  And if the teacher was reading the paragraph to us, by the time she was at the end, I had no idea what she'd just said because all I heard was the traffic in the parking lot, the loud music in my head, the kid in front of me sneezing, and the fluorescent lights buzzing.

Don't even get me started on math.  I couldn't do math.  You can read about that on the Explorer thread.  I have much more to say, but I have children arguing, and when the children are arguing, I can't concentrate on anything else.
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:06pm; Reply: 53
Fascinating thread.  I've never been diagnosed with ADD but believe I have it.  My older son was diagnosed in 3rd grade.  He was in an advanced program but couldn't pay attention.  He was reading at 8th grade level but never finished his work.  My younger one, with a 140+ IQ had trouble "getting the main idea" .
Both my children were breastfed.  My youngest was diagnosed with a "wheat allergy" in about 6th grade.  His old brother is tall and thin and he's even taller, about 6'6" or more and very very heavy.  He would never do anything about his weight.  A few months ago he had to go for a physical because he hurt his hand at work and they told him he was diabetic.  He's gotten more serious about eating better and his blood sugar is down.  
Got to get back to work.
Jane
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:16pm; Reply: 54
I just thought of something I wanted to add here.

I believe "learning disabilities" are really "learning differences."  I think a lot of kids are labeled as such because they don't fit this nice little mold that the school system requires you to fit.  I don't have any trouble learning.  I just have to learn it in such a way that it sticks in my brain, and that's different from the way most people learn, so I'm labeled as "disabled."  I am not disabled.  Do I really have ADD?  Depends on your definition.  I am easily distracted by some things, but yet never hear other distractions because I'm so concentrating so hard on something.  If I'm in my right brain (when I'm doing my art, for instance), I can concentrate for hours and hours with no break.  If I'm in my left brain, which my current life requires me to remain in, I can't concentrate on anything at all.

I was breastfed for 2 years, BTW.  Look on websites like http://www.mothering.com for studies.
Posted by: Victoria, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 5:59pm; Reply: 55
Well, this is really starting me thinking . .

Is there a clear description for how a person is determined to have one of these disorders?  

(Some of these posts sure sound like myself)  It would explain a lot.   :-/
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:49pm; Reply: 56
Shells, your son needs to kick the carb habit.  I used to "dope my self dreamy" by drinking up to 4 L of milk (the higher fat the better) a day.  I did also stumble onto something I call my Forced March exercise.  During a mainly lazy and nocturnal existence when I was down, I found myself strangely drawn to pushing myself to walking briskly after midnight.  My range was in the miles, but the pace I developed was linked to my breathing so that the striding could only be call aerobic.  Two long strides timed with short in-breaths and two long strides timed with short out-breaths, and keep on repeating.  I got addicted. I am now convinced that it did stoke my Explorer metabolism.  Maybe there is something particular to him that will help him.  Walking at night was essential for me because I could exercise in a city and not draw attention.

Ribbit, this may be it: Explorers where are you?  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1246886654/s-0/
I got back into my remedial therapy by reading to my kids - who love it!

I know that my ears (if I neglect my therapy - like for the past 5 years) have two settings - receive everything in range without distinction  or  focus on one thing and shut out all the rest completely.  Healthy listening function should allow you to pick one out of 20 conversations in a room and keep a ear open for a interesting subject around you.  The discriminatory power of the ear is technically amazing - cochlear implants rely on this.

Jane, ADD and ADHD is always accompanied by adjectives such as inattentive and lazy.  The boys ability to concentrate has been sapped by their particular neurological development.  They are not lazy!  Their effort cannot be accurately measured by anyone who has not had the same problem.  There are metaphorically chained to large concrete blocks!  This is their reality - even if they don't know it.

M. Mori, I look up and to my left when try to capture a memory.  Face is not symmetrical and ring fingers are longer on both hands.  To confuse matters I used to have confused/mixed hand dominance.  I still deal cards with my left hand unless I remember to make myself do so with the right.

Victoria, although it acceptance is limited, a listening test will give qualitative data on fine listening skills.  This is the neurological core of sensory integration, since hearing is the first developed sense.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:41pm; Reply: 57
Yes, Paul, that's the thread.  It would interest anybody who's reading this one.

I too was labeled as "inattentive" and "lazy".  But I certainly wasn't.  I worked very, very hard.  I stayed up late at night being drilled by my mom for a test the next day.  If I missed a question, she would put a little dot by it and come back to it later.  By bedtime, there would be anywhere from 5-10 dots next to 90% of the questions.  I could go to bed when I knew them.  But the next day?  I'd still fail the test, and my mom couldn't understand why, when I knew them the night before.  She'd have long conferences with my teachers trying to explain that I knew the material, but still managed to fail the test.  The thing is....most of the time I'd feel confident that I answered the questions correctly, but when it came right down to it, I seemed to often miss half of them.  This happened all the way through high school, even after the NILD therapy.  I routinely failed tests and always, always failed pop quizzes.  The only thing that kept my grades up was projects.  I was thorough, exact, very artistic and creative, and I always got extra credit on everything I did.  It was the only way I graduated from a college prep school with honors.  Oh, yeah, I worked very hard.  But because my grades didn't reflect that (thanks to the way the school system is built), people thought I was lazy.  

My husband never studied, he just listened in class and aced everything.  *sigh*

If I'd had caffeine at breakfast every morning, I might have been able to remember it all.  Or Yerba Mate.  It helps my concentration.

And yes, my ears have two settings as well.  Very interesting, Paul.

Re: "doping yourself dreamy".  My husband was just relating to somebody that he used to buy a bag of corn chips and a jar of salsa, eat half of it (half of a huge bag!) till he was so drugged he fell asleep, and then wake up later feeling like a brick had hit him in the head.  He was addicted even though it made him feel so bad.  But it was worth it to him to get konked out.  It was I who made the corn connection several months after we were married.  
Posted by: Victoria, Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 12:39am; Reply: 58
Does anyone have a favorite website(s) that explains in simple terms what the signs and symptoms are if a person has ADD or ADHD?
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 6:05am; Reply: 59
perhaps sometimes better to listen or hear or read with our hearts instead of mind??)  ;) :X ;D ;D :K)

all issues you are mentioning are so beautifully described in the enneagram...why nor accepting it, embracing at as a fact of your *persona* and working on it ??) ;)..... I get stomach cramps when having to admit that most of those so called *diagnozed* people are anywhere held in some particulars... so far...fixed...reduced on *their beings*..... :-/ :o :P .....(unhappy)(scared)(hand)I am sure that all is
ok with nearly everybody without judging coz of our patterns or trained
habits and conditioneerings....(pray)(happy)

btw: some interesting things are to be read in the outcomes of Bruce Lipton, especially no3 of the wisdom of your cells ;) :D....www.brucelipton.com and then have an eye onto his archives... 8)
Posted by: shells, Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:04am; Reply: 60
Paul, thanks so much for your sharing.  You have really got me thinking about my older 'dreamy' son who also has a nocturnal lifestyle of computer all night and sleep all day....his label of lazy by most others and how much cheese he consumes.  The neurological description of chained to concrete blocks so describes him.  The total lack of motivation, incentive and initiative in his life exacerbates his father.  

Can I ask you what brought you to the point of getting off the milk and starting to exercise at night?  I am just trying to find some insight so I can try to help   :-/
Posted by: SquarePeg, Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 5:42pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from paul clucas
Shells, your son needs to kick the carb habit.  I used to "dope my self dreamy" by drinking up to 4 L of milk (the higher fat the better) a day.

I'd do that with wheat -- a big bowl of pasta, then about a dozen cookies or birthday cake if we had any.  Who needed alcohol?  In fact, once I went to a pub with a friend and had two desserts instead of beer.

Quoted from paul clucas
I know that my ears (if I neglect my therapy - like for the past 5 years) have two settings - receive everything in range without distinction  or  focus on one thing and shut out all the rest completely.  Healthy listening function should allow you to pick one out of 20 conversations in a room and keep a ear open for a interesting subject around you.  The discriminatory power of the ear is technically amazing - cochlear implants rely on this.
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My ears have just one setting -- receive everything.  I cannot selectively shut out conversations.  If someone talks to me while the news is on the radio, I have to shut off the radio and ask that person to repeat what he/she said.  It doesn't help that I have voices in my head that also interfere with everything.  I wish I could improve this.  But the BTD hasn't made a difference.
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:30am; Reply: 62
I have to concentrate very hard to selectively shut out conversation.  I can only deal with instrumental music in the background if I'm trying to carry on a conversation.  If more than one child is vying for my attention (which is usually the case), I feel very overwhelmed and have to say, "I can only hear one of you at a time, but first I have to turn the timer off, get this out of the oven, and then I can listen."  If there is one thing I cannot tolerate, it's screaming.  It hurts my ears.  Real, physical pain.

What I mean by two settings is this:  I either hear it all, or I hear nothing.  Either way I end up zoning because it takes too much energy to zoom in on one thing.  So I usually miss a lot.  I just hear cafeteria noise in my head.  Plus the music (plus the voices, Square Peg, but they've faded almost entirely as I've gotten older).  On the flip side, I often hear the wrong things in a conversation and it sticks in my mind for years.  My brain can't filter out what's important and what's not, so it often remembers dumb things that don't matter, but it forgets the things that I should remember.  

Oh, yeah, who needs alcohol?  Just eat two or three pieces of key lime pie and you'll feel so doped up you won't need anything else for a while. ;)  Alcohol spikes my blood sugar like dessert does.
Posted by: Memento Mori, Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:04pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from paul clucas

I know that my ears (if I neglect my therapy - like for the past 5 years) have two settings - receive everything in range without distinction  or  focus on one thing and shut out all the rest completely.

M. Mori, I look up and to my left when try to capture a memory.  Face is not symmetrical and ring fingers are longer on both hands.  To confuse matters I used to have confused/mixed hand dominance.  I still deal cards with my left hand unless I remember to make myself do so with the right.


Hey Paul, so your "Hunter ears" can now be directed/focused after therapy? That is interesting and it definitely shows the power of good therapy in reducing the intensity of problem traits. Now that I'm off all grains most of my ADD traits have tapered off, but I still have what I call Hunter ears (prob bc I didn't have the therapy you speak of)- they can't be focused, I have enhanced hearing so if I hear the smallest noise then I can tell what direction it came from and which direction it's moving but this is only good for when I'm in the woods as it offers very little benefit in a classroom/building.

As you look up and to the left I feel very certain that at least a large percentage of people with dyslexia were born left-handed (right brain dominant) but learned to write with their right hand- this would cause definite problems in acquisition of language skills.
Posted by: Memento Mori, Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:16pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from Ribbit


I believe "learning disabilities" are really "learning differences."  I think a lot of kids are labeled as such because they don't fit this nice little mold that the school system requires you to fit.  I don't have any trouble learning.  I just have to learn it in such a way that it sticks in my brain, and that's different from the way most people learn, so I'm labeled as "disabled."  I am not disabled.  Do I really have ADD?  Depends on your definition.  I am easily distracted by some things, but yet never hear other distractions because I'm so concentrating so hard on something.  If I'm in my right brain (when I'm doing my art, for instance), I can concentrate for hours and hours with no break.  If I'm in my left brain, which my current life requires me to remain in, I can't concentrate on anything at all.


Indeed so-called learning disabilities are learning differences, I have ADD-Inattentive type so all throughout school I never paid attention to any teachers but I had straight As and Bs until I got to high school math and science and my grades dropped a bit because I still never paid attention.

An interesting thing about ADD is that it is the complete opposite of what some people think it is, I can't speak precisely for ADHD, but ADD-Inattentive type is actually a state of hyper-focus. I can work on research for 8-12 hours if it's interesting but I can't listen to someone talk for 3 minutes unless it's back and forth. If someone is talking at me, which is the case in the classroom 99% of the time then I'm not getting what they're throwing at me. There are a couple different reasons for this, but I believe that the main one is because I can always find something more interesting to think about and once I start working on a problem to solve in my head then nothing is capable of holding my attention unless it is equal to or more stimulating than what I'm thinking about. You did a great job of describing a state of hyper-focus that is associated with some, if not all, types of ADD.
Posted by: Memento Mori, Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:38pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from shells

One of my four sons was diagnosed "dreamy ADD" and is in his twenties now.  If only I knew back then what I know now, especially about wheat, maybe he would have turned out a little different.  He and his ADHD brother both had speech problems during the pre-school years and had years of speech therapy (the listening/hearing connection??)

My 'dreamy ADD' son is still not working even though he has a Bachelor's Degree from University in IT.  He has an addiction to bread and all things wheat. Does not communicate but only when spoken to, even though he has an extremely even nature.  He hardly physically moves and is the only very overweight person in the immediate and extended family.

This is in great contrast to the ADHD who as a child thought that there were only two emotions happy and angry and boy does he express these both!  This teenager is slim, eats like a horse, and cannot do any one thing for too long, gets bored easily and has to be going somewhere or being amused.  I am sure this one medicates himself with alcohol or other doping substances.  


I have day-dreamy ADD, or ADD-Primarily Inattentive, so I can tell that your son is probably retreating into his mind and hyper-focusing on his thoughts. He's probably addicted to wheat because it's loaded with Tyrosine, he would do much better by picking up a Tyrosine nutritional supplement like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine-tablets/dp/B000GFSV28/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1249590077&sr=8-4

I stopped eating grains entirely so I only need one of these a day instead of a high dose of Adderall, so this is a 4 month supply for $15 instead of 10 times that for Adderall (and it has bad side-effects). Many people like this smoke marijuana because it's mechanism of action is the complete opposite of that of wheat, the main mechanism of action of marijuana is decreasing cAMP levels (it doesn't affect Dopamine this is a myth- if it did then it would have physical addiction potential that leads to withdrawal, like alcohol and cocaine). Alcohol lowers histamine levels, so both of these substances could be used to medicate by people that are eating wheat and not digesting it good.

I also had speech problems growing up, if I knew then what I know now then I wouldn't have been "zoned out" all throughout school. I'm a very quiet and analytical person, but now that I know about the blood type personality/psychological condition effect I can spot people by their blood types easily. Despite this I still haven't made any commission from the BT Store because I work at a call center and a lot of the people, like myself, don't make much money so to me it becomes a question- what is more important, potentially selling things but turning off a lot of people because they are less likely to believe me if I'm making money off of them or helping as many people as I can. I always make the latter choice.
Posted by: Memento Mori, Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:49pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from Jane
Fascinating thread.  I've never been diagnosed with ADD but believe I have it.  My older son was diagnosed in 3rd grade.  He was in an advanced program but couldn't pay attention.  He was reading at 8th grade level but never finished his work.  My younger one, with a 140+ IQ had trouble "getting the main idea."



Hey Jane, how are you? In the fourth grade I was reading at a 10th grade level so I tested for a gifted program but I didn't have the ability to focus my attention so that didn't work out for me either. So many of us slip through the cracks of society and the school system, it's kind of sad to me. I have a Psychology Bachelor's and I didn't realize that I had the condition until I was in my junior year, so now I see people all of the time with the same condition and most of them literally have no idea. When I've brought it up a few times none of them had ever heard anyone suggest it, these people were almost always blood type O and almost always smoked cigarettes since Caffeine, Nicotine, and Amphetamine are the three stimulants that connect the frontal cortex network associated with ADD. Nicotine and Caffeine have paradoxical effects though, it will improve concentration but only for a short period of time, then it becomes even harder to concentrate than before without another dose.

I think that a massive amount of people with BT O, and/or hunters, have ADD but have no idea- it's my firm belief that ADD is an adaptive hunting trait. If anyone wants to stop smoking cigarettes and they are having a really hard time I highly suggest taking Tyrosine as I think this will help quite a bit.
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, August 7, 2009, 6:02am; Reply: 67
M Mori, another begg of my part to read the enneagram,,,especially 5/6
;) :D...btw..yep ther's something on...lefthanders who were trained to write with the right hand...something similar happened to me... today I work merely with my left hand but write with my righ hand...but I can do both if I want ;) ;D.....50:50 ;D ;D ;D and I have learned to be the observer of a lot of things, without any interactions ;)...and being slower than others  doesn't mean to be so called "ADS" not at all... here we have to pay attention not to go into the trap of....
with the resum to feel...bla-bla-blaaa but indeed it is or was in reality nada ms than a sort of induz....mann take care of yourself and not being the playball of others...



ahem... may I ask you to go for the book of Deepak Chopra...*the book of the secrets* it is amazingly written, gives us more than infos about  dif.
issues from body,psyche and mental..interplays....(pray)

btw... Jean Klein teaching about *Advaita* should  ring in your ears ;) :D ;D.....(whistle)

*no-body is....and no-body has....* ;)  ;D ;D (cool).......
Posted by: Memento Mori, Sunday, August 9, 2009, 8:12pm; Reply: 68
That sounds interesting Tomatilla, do you have a website you recommend where I can check this out?

I just found an online enneagram at http://www.enneagramcentral.com/

I tested as an Observer 5, and wow is it accurate Tomatilla. I wonder if you guys think that there is a correlation between Enneagram Style and Blood Type?

"The life of the style Five centers on their thinking. Healthy Fives are both highly intellectual and involved in activity. They can be, if not geniuses, then extraordinarily accomplished. As the most intellectual of the nine Styles, they are often superb teachers and/or researchers. Many healthy Fives are fine writers because of their acute observational skills and a developed idealism. They are highly objective and able to see all sides of a question and understand them.

When Fives become less healthy, they tend to withdraw. Instead of dealing with their sensitivity by being emotionally detached from results, they split off from reality, living in worlds of their own creating and not answering the demands of active living. Their natural independence as a thinker degenerates into arrogance. They can become quite arrogant or eccentric. In the movies, Fives are the "mad professors."

Fives you may know: Bill Gates, Scrooge, Buddha, T. S. Eliot, John Paul Sartre, Rene Descartes, Timothy McVeigh, Joe DiMaggio, Albert Einstein, H. R. Haldeman, Ted Kaczynski, Jacqueline Onassis and Vladimir Lenin."

Just about everything about this style describes me but especially:

"- Despite high intelligence, they may be inarticulate, at least until they think carefully.

- Their real world may be a mental, private one.

- They may not be introspective or in touch with their feelings, even though they might talk "about" them.

- As they mature, locked up feelings may erupt."
Posted by: misspudding, Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:06am; Reply: 69
O negative Explorer here...

Mom is totally ADD.  Uses coffee like water.  Addicted to wheat like crazy.
Her mom was an A and had absolutely no issues.
Her dad (probably an O) was a pilot (a fitting job for someone with ADD, I would think because it's a lot like hunting).
Her paternal uncle had schizophrenia.  Many of the cousins on that side of the family are bipolar, or depressed.

I get absolutely brain-fogged when I have wheat now (or aspartame).  It's such that I just kind of shut down.  It's like I can feel all of my little neurons firing and I can't shut them off.  I can't tolerate sun when I have it.  My ears ring like crazy, too.  I have a feeling the seizures I used to have were related...
Posted by: Memento Mori, Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:45am; Reply: 70
Hey there, I have sensitive ears, taste, and smell and my BT O Mom sounds like yours. Tyrosine is good for people like this, I believe it's the reason why people get addicted to wheat and/or red meat. All of those conditions you mentioned are genetic hunter traits that are severely worsened by eating wheat. I bet almost the whole family is blood type O. My Mom's family is and her ancestry is Scottish, Irish, Norman, Native American and a bit of Viking.

I just noticed how consistent the poll results are, just about what I expected. The people that are BT A and have ADD almost definitely are Ao and not AA because of their symptoms and the fact that BT Os usually outnumbers BT As. I've heard that methionine can be used for people with symptoms like you described to decrease the severity of their symptoms, but of course the BT Diet would be better.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:45am; Reply: 71
M Mori...I know ;) ;D about the enneagram...so I deal with myselve 5/4 ;) (funny)(funny)(funny)(dizzy)(ondrugs)but be aware of another very fine book...*gifts differing* from Briggs-Myers...here it is explained why do introverts the exact oposite of their endings.... ther's a lot of steps to take for better and deeper understandings ;)... our aim is: to stay as an observer not stepping into our trap of fears and feeling hurt nor of detachtments of the world... might become (goofy)(dizzy)(shy)...so those are some of our *persona* lekkerlies... now up to us to go and create something positive...with our feelings, in the world
to our very best ;)  :D ;D ;D(clown)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)


mmmpff.. I saw and see... the show and identifications are going  on.... :o :-/ :P(scared)(whistle) ;D ;D ;D....yep sorry for my pidginings... :X.. :-/(funny)(shrug)(evil)(evil)........
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, September 5, 2009, 3:48pm; Reply: 72
Poor excuse for a late response: I was on holiday for 2 weeks and reading through a ton of posts after my return.

Quoted from Memento Mori
I tested as an Observer 5, and wow is it accurate Tomatilla. I wonder if you guys think that there is a correlation between Enneagram Style and Blood Type?


There is a connection between BT or GT and any other valid tool for understanding self: it's the human connection.

Quoted from misspudding
I get absolutely brain-fogged when I have wheat now (or aspartame).  It's such that I just kind of shut down.  It's like I can feel all of my little neurons firing and I can't shut them off.  I can't tolerate sun when I have it.  My ears ring like crazy, too.  I have a feeling the seizures I used to have were related...


Knowing what it is that triggers these must be a great consolation.  It is terrible to be at the mercy of what you do not know.


Quoted from Ribbit
Does anyone have a favorite website(s) that explains in simple terms what the signs and symptoms are if a person has ADD or ADHD?


http://www.tomatis.com

There should be a checklist in the English section:   http://www.tomatis.com/English/Articles/checklist.htm

A more thorough analysis would be a listening test - although I have not had any test results given in a detailed manner.

I would like to use the BT/GT distinctions to evaluate Tomatis and other successful therapies for Aspergers/ADD/ADHD/Dislexia/etc so that the best therapy can be determined in each situation.
This would be like the analytical role that Dr. Peter D' Adamo brought to the understanding that his father gained through years of practice. Except that the analytical framework has already been provided by Dr. Peter D' Adamo already.

This future project that I yearn to see bring useful results to sufferers could be a model repeated in other areas where western medicine has failed. Western analytical techniques and an hopeful openness to any method that helps sufferers can combine peaceably to the benefit of mankind.

I have no idea how this can happen, but my heart of hearts is fixed.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 7, 2009, 6:47am; Reply: 73
wow Paul good idea...-and good infos in that link... what I observed is that often so called *scientists* are reducing problems to a sort of linear problem; but in reality the approach should be a form of multi-task...  I can clearly see BTD/GTD & this method and also for example in addition http://www.klangsteine.de but here all is about resonances...you see ;)... :D(ok)(smarty)it depends how we are *reachable*....
pioneers make the world go round ;) ;D...:K) thanx for sharing....
and something very,very important...without any accordance of the client/ patient nothing is possible in questions of changes...never forget at first we have to admit, then to accept and then to say yes  :D
thats'why often people are mistreated by MD's in question of psychosomatic disorders....coz they can't accept their diagnozes so no
committment here...no acceptance....no improovement possible....(whistle).....that's a matter of facts....(smarty2)
Posted by: jeanb, Monday, September 7, 2009, 2:14pm; Reply: 74
Keirsey has made some very interesting observations about ADD and ADHD.  He basically says that people diagnosed with ADD and ADHD are generally "p"s from the MBTI typing.  I keep getting told my kids are ADD (which seems to be a catch phrase for not being a compliant child)

Most of the world are J's so, mainstream sees time through J's eyes.  J's are generally super organized and always work before they play.

P's in the eyes of J's never seem to finish anything whereas P's often make decisions to not finish projects if they are not worth finishing. P's play while they work and will often play before they work. P's always seem to have the best ideas for getting things done.  J's are the best at executing the ideas.

Many of the ISTP tradesman that work with me have the 5% issue.  They get a project finished to 95% and in their minds they are finished, the 5% is extraneous and they always seem to start another project.  The J customer inevitably is angry because the remaining 5% is extremely important to having the job complete.  I will often have an ISTP start a project and have an ESTJ finish the project.

I have a couple of P children who regularly figure out what is worth finishing at school and not finishing.  My oldest son ENTP made the decision to go to a technical college for Engineering Design.  His average only needed to be 70% to get in this particular program (entrance is based upon marks plus interview with the dean and practical computer design skills).  His marks dropped from 87% average to exactly 70% when he found this out.  It feels like I have spent years at the schools trying to explain him to his ESFJ female teachers.

My ESTP son is very focused on going into the Military. I kept trying to figure out how he would survive since he barely does his school work and reads nothing (maybe a car magazine here and there).  His female teachers (never male teachers) complain about his lack of application in school, his fooling around and his general non compliance.  His male teachers are enthusiastic about him, especially the science and shop teachers.  His female teachers constantly tell me his is ADD, I constantly tell them they are not in tune with the male mind and they way they teach is boring and they need to adapt to teach different ways to different children.  A psychiatrist we know says R is a super masculine boy (you should see how long his ring fingers are!!!) and should be in the military, police force or fire department.  He said R is a man's man and there isn't a Feeler bone in his body!!!

R is going into a program called RAP next year in which he will be training to become a millwright, but at the same time he will need to do his high school program in order to enter the CDN military as an engineer.  

I am probably considered somewhat ADD.  I usually have 10 books on the go at any one time.  My desk is super messy (all my staff laugh at my desk, because there can be stacks of paper and it can take me 10 seconds to find the one that is needed).  I love to leave things to the last minute, the adrenalin rush that accompanies last minute preparation can help me get things done fast and with excellent quality. I don't know if this is a combination of a slight P combined with a large dose of N...

So, do I think ADD is out there?  Definitely, I think some of the exasperated cases are kids on the wrong diet (you should see the 13 year olds who come to my house who live on wheat, cheese and sugar).  I think much of ADD is simply J's who think P's need to live like J's.  
Posted by: Jane, Monday, September 7, 2009, 4:03pm; Reply: 75
Jean,
I laughed when I read your description of yourself because you could be describing me.
Jane
Posted by: jeanb, Monday, September 7, 2009, 4:18pm; Reply: 76
Hey Jane, clean desks are signs of warped minds....
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, September 7, 2009, 4:26pm; Reply: 77
jeanb..thanx for your kind sharing and wow... YOU hit the nail!!!
Mann thanx again but this is exactly the point to discuss... we always judge ourselfs to whatsoever... but in reality we admit the judgings also from others as being this and that and trallala & cha-cha-cha...
no all dearles, our capacities of changes are much wider and *wilder* of course ;)... but first you've to become aware of those issues and then accept and then say yes and ok...go and work on yourself!!!

Thats' the biiig challange in and with the enneagram... by understanding your first type...next your wings... it becomes all much clearer from what we are talkin about...and sorry... another no-no... :o :B :-/ :P ;D ;D I justamente don't think that ADD ADHS ADS or whatever really exists... only a form to make people dependant for drugs or .....to implement a fine feeling of *inferieurity*.....(goofy)(naughty)(dizzy)(think)...another form of *system-thinkers and a classic form for comdemnation....
don't belief if once you are held in such a register...you won't be
judged as *...*.... :P.... prejudgements of people are soo often done, implemented even without any conscience.... :-/ sorry but I mistrust those.....coz my experience with clients here often was very pain-and awful...they never were allowed to leave..nor to be able to show their
*normality*... >:( once diagnozed with .... always in!!! No chance to escape... this is the system!!! By God isn't that fine that we don't have anything to do here??)....I see here merely *it depends of the joblooser* in such systems...can be Dr.'s,,,can be nurses, can be therapsits... cotau..cotau... :X


p.s.

oops... never look @ my desk.... :-/ :o :B ;D ;D(evil)(evil)(evil)(clown)(scared)(huh)(constipated)...but sorry I never claimed that >I am..was....??)...! ;) ;D ----(angel)(angel)...(goofy)(whistle)(smarty)(sunny)
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, September 7, 2009, 8:47pm; Reply: 78
Jean, you make me wonder if I'm a P instead of a J.  Someone (Isa maybe?) had questioned that in me before.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 3:27pm; Reply: 79
Ribbilein; remember the book *gifts differings* here it isd mentioned that all introverts do the opposit of their endings.... so far instead of j=p and vice versa ;) ;D ....they do...they act likewise... but they are still p's and j's ;) ;D.....dito in their outcome of test results....
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 4:49pm; Reply: 80
Yes, I do remember that.  But I've also become a much more relaxed person, perceptive and intuitive....the longer I'm on this diet and the longer I'm a mother.
Posted by: jeanb, Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 2:20am; Reply: 81
Daer Ribbit:

I think you are a P, my guess is ISFP.  The most comfortable in their skin mothers (especially the stay at home moms) whom I have met are FP's.

You seem to be very at peace with being at home with your kids.  

Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 6:17am; Reply: 82
jeanb, the merging of istp/j's to isfp/j's is the integrative way ;)(the triangle of 3-6-9 is much shorter than all other ways for integration )..... :D....
btw... we do have our wings and here also it depends of %centages what makes You...;) ;D....or better said is you...... :D then am I sure the E and I is sometimes changing and the way we experience life makes us
more sure of our own abilities and handling life at it comes up to us....(nerd)(geek)(hehe)...I think it is called *experience* ??) ;) ... :X(smarty)(goofy)(whistle)
Posted by: jeanb, Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 12:12pm; Reply: 83
Hi Isa:

My numbers on the MBTI continuum  are very close in the middle, esp on the ei and jp scale.  

I have been doing a lot of Introverted work for the past 2 years, installing a major accounting and manufacturing system.  I have also been doing a lot of accounting.  I have interaction with people, but I am pretty much stuck in the office all day.

Recently I decided to start going out on the road and meeting with customers and all of a sudden my energy is way up (interacting with people gives extroverts their energy).  The people at work tell me I seem almost giddy.  I had forgotten how much I missed "outside" the office work.  I still like to introvert once and awhile but extroverting gives me more energy.

So in the enneagram can you explain the "wings?"  I just retook a test and my test scores are tied as 8, 1, and 9.  Usually the numbers are slightly 8 preference and then 1 and 9 tied.

The way I like to explain MBTI and personality, is there are 16 rooms in the house in which you live.  You need to go to all the rooms in the house in order to live, but you will feel most comfortable in your own room (your own personality).  So in other words, I have been required to be an ISTJ and INTJ during the last 2 years, but the real me is happiest going out to see customers (ENTJ). Yes, it definitely is experience...

Tomorrow, I need to go visit my mother and discuss issues with her home.  My husband has warned me not to be my normal steamroller self and be more feeling when asking the staff why my mother left the home with no supervision (my mother is deep into Alzheimers with psychotic tendencies right now).  I have a list of about 50 questions I want answered by the home...I will try to be nice...
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:10pm; Reply: 84
I'm not F--I'm definitely T.  It's the F in my husband that annoys me slightly.

I stay home because I believe I should.  I've grown to enjoy it, for the most part, but I do get antsy.  When I get antsy I load everybody in the car and go where ever it is I want to go, whether it's to a state park for a hiking trip (which requires my husband too, to carry anybody who gets tired) or just out for a picnic lunch.  I get around plenty.  We go to concerts and just haul the kids along too.  We like to expose them to all sorts of music at an early age.
Posted by: jeanb, Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 5:24pm; Reply: 85
It's the spontaneous P in you that gets you out of the house and out for adventures.

I didn't mean "staying at home" as in the true sense of the word.  I meant at home which to me means being with my kids, whether it is at home or out on adventures.  (Didn't mean to offend).

Humor me Ribbit, please take this test when you have a minute or two.  

http://similarminds.com/pref_jung.html
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:41pm; Reply: 86
Okay, I took it.  I'm an ISTJ attracted to ESTJs and an ESTJ-wannabe.  

Introverted (I) 53.33% Extroverted (E) 46.67%
Sensing (S) 52.63% Intuitive (N) 47.37%
Thinking (T) 52.27% Feeling (F) 47.73%
Perceiving (P) 50% Judging (J) 50%

I think that looks pretty balanced though.  I don't know why they stuck me as a J instead of a P if it's 50/50.  
Posted by: jeanb, Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:30am; Reply: 87
Wow, super balanced!!! Haven't seen too many of these ever. Lucky you!!!

I reviewed my course materials on a "tie" between P and J.  This is where the forced answer type test is used.  The test that you took gave you a continuum of 5, whereas a real MBTI would have used yes or no answers. The result is no ties for letters.

There are very few ties on the new forms of MBTI.  With the old forms, testers were told to speak to the test subject about preferences.

I would ask you questions like do you play before you work or work before you play?

Do you live to work?  
What is your sense of time?  
Are you on time for appointments?  
Do you get anxious if you are late for appointments?  
When you make decisions do you require a lot of information before you are willing to make a decision?  
Do you feel relieved when you make a decision?
Do you feel anxious when you make the decision wanting more information?

Here is Keirsey's description of Artisans

http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?s=keirsey&f=fourtemps&tab=4&c=overview

Here is an article on ADD from the Keirsey point of view.  

http://www.keirsey.com/add_hoax.aspx
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, September 10, 2009, 6:00am; Reply: 88
jeanb, the wings of our type is the second type of our personallity as it is described in the enneagram ; meant here might be f.ex: intj is a 5 with a wing to no 6...inpt = 5 /4.....the wings are the conterpart to our ground-type...but in adjuvance :D.... and yessss of course are we hoppeling around in the enneagram and we share all types but we do have our ground-types as you describe yours as an ENTJ (fieldmarshall;) :D )
(clap)(ok)(dance) http://www.enneagraminstitute.com hope it works....

since a certain time I come out always as an intj..... :o :B(geek)
who wants to be an intp... ;D ;D ;D (yep a bit friendlier and less dry
or better said analytical??)....)

i=67,74%                 E=32,26%
N=59,46%                 S=40,54%
T=57,89%                 F=42,11%
J=53,33%                 P=46,67%

mastermind,introverted,intellectual with a preference to find certainity, a builder of systems & applayer of theoretical models, 2,1%
of total population....yech...that'swhy it is soo difficult to find the adequate ........ :-/ :o :B :X :X ;D :D

(goofy)(think)


and yep..yep..yup...thank you so much for the sustain with the hoax of the Keirsey's program about ADD and others.... ;D :D ;D(clap)(ok)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(woot)(evil)(evil)(evil)(hehe)(whistle)
that's it what I found out years ago..... ;) :D :K) :K) :K)as well.... ;D
Posted by: jeanb, Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:01pm; Reply: 89
Hi Isa:

The scary part for you and me is that female INTP's and ENTJ's are about 1% of the population.  

My wannabe type is ESTJ am attracted to ENTJ, not so different.  Have no fear, I think you are really friendly (but in that NTJ style)!!!!

Will do the enneagram later tonight, driving 3 hours soon to work out issues with my mother.  She is in advanced stages of Alzheimers showing signs of psychosis....nothing but fun.

I think the Keirsey article is excellent on ADD.  I show it to my kids teachers before they start the ADD/Ritalin talk with me.

Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:23pm; Reply: 90
hey dearle ;) ;D you are attracted to your integrative next step ;) ;D...1 goes to 7...jjjuuuhhuuiii ;) (clap)(ok)(dance)thought you are an ENTJ ;)...so far....(funny)(wiseman)(sunny)....
oh mann Alzheimer I know very difficult...don't you give her any supps??)....they can really help out here as well..... :)psychosis... :-/ :-/ :o.... I won't give any chemical bombes, they don't really work....even when predicted by whitecoated....more zink,highest B-vits, mg and aminoacids...as we discussed it once...or please have an eye into this.www.orthomed.org Avram Hoffer did a wonderful job here for all kinds of psychological so called *disorders* I call them *disharmonies *
;)(smile)(shrug)

wish you all the best and feel :K) from me and kindest wishes and regards also to your mum.... and have a safe trip in your car  :) :K)

I also have the book *talkin back to Ritalin* an amazing insight...
Posted by: jeanb, Thursday, September 10, 2009, 12:51pm; Reply: 91
Hi Isa,

We have her on zinc, fish oils, B's, but which amino acids do you recommend?  She has extremely high blood pressure that is not controlled with white coat meds 190/120.  She is very small and underweight.

BTW, always been an ENTJ married to an ESTJ.  Mostly work with with ESTJ's (even the women).  

Thanks for your kind wishes...
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, September 10, 2009, 5:40pm; Reply: 92
(dizzy)(think)(goofy)(disappointed)a form of so called *white high bp??) coz of a sort of renal failure or insufficience??) often high bp is also related to a very long existant problem of menatal/psychological issues...
for the rest I will pm you :-) xoxox from Isa and hey Madl biig cotaus
infront of you for going with Alzheimer disease... the sister of my grandma is also one of those...:-/... I got to recognize lately.... :o :B :P...I was lurkng around in L.Hay's booklet.. not that far away either.. :X...sorry but we can't prove the oposit.. ;) :D :)
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:57pm; Reply: 93
Hi Shells,

I was just checking over this thread (again), when I realized I didn't answer your question.

I apologize. I have the means necessary to give myself enough mental clarity but am not working hard enough at it.

Quoted from shells
Can I ask you what brought you to the point of getting off the milk and starting to exercise at night?  I am just trying to find some insight so I can try to help


I lost the milk by replacing with soy and rice milk and other creamy stuff - so many years in the change that nothing stands out as to ideas/impetus behind the change.  The BTD, as confirmed by GTD and Swami, was the final clincher.

My nocturnal travels were really to get rid of the need to "blow my feathers".  When I was last living in my mom's house, she washed all of my clothes, cooked most of my food, and did almost of all the housework.  I kept feeling "smothered" and embarrassed by my dependence.  Hemmed in at home, detached and excluded from study and work possibilities in the City.

The answer to the exercise issue was followed by a much larger change  :)

I moved from my mom's house in London, UK over to Toronto in the search of work and independence.

It is very difficult to get your children to listen to you, as my nine year-old demonstrates to me daily. From teaching senior high school boys, experience tells me that the best way to get a young man to do something is to challenge him with the achievement of a desirable goal. The goal requires what you want him to do, but not directly.

Could you get a man about half a generation older than him, who has succeeded in this sphere of life, to speak with him?    
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, September 18, 2009, 6:18pm; Reply: 94


Do you play before you work or work before you play?

I usually work before I play, otherwise I'm thinking about how much stuff I have to do and can't enjoy playing.  However, I've learned as a mother that my work is NEVER done, and sometimes you just gotta let go and play anyway and leave the work till sometime else.

Do you live to work?

I enjoy working, but I enjoy resting and relaxing also.  I'm always doing stuff, and I like to be productive.  If I'm not doing something where I can see results, what's the point?
  
What is your sense of time?
  

Terrible.  Clueless.

Are you on time for appointments?

Yes, but only because I know it's disrespectful and irritating to the other person if I'm late.
  
Do you get anxious if you are late for appointments?


VERY.  But again, it's only because there's somebody else involved.
  
When you make decisions do you require a lot of information before you are willing to make a decision?  

Yes, and I make a long written list of pros and cons, every single thing I can think of, and it doesn't take me long.

Do you feel relieved when you make a decision?

Yes.

Do you feel anxious when you make the decision wanting more information?

No, I just go on what I have and readjust later if need be.


I much prefer these questions to the way they were worded on that quiz.  

I'm also a middle child, which makes me a little more balanced than perhaps your first child leader or your last child party person.

Now I want to take the Enneagram test.  But first I must take a nap.
Posted by: jeanb, Friday, September 18, 2009, 7:12pm; Reply: 95
Go nap!!!

I still think you are a P more than a J just because of the time thing.

The real MBTI is structured with various aspects of personality that are out of norm for that personality (which makes you totally unique).  In other words, I am a tender hearted, late starting, pressure prompted ENTJ.

If you wish, I can send you links where you can take the real indicator (they all charge fees for this type of report unfortunately).  
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, September 19, 2009, 2:59am; Reply: 96
Just finished watching a program on CBC Regina called "A.D.D. and Loving It?!" Basic info & personal stories about ADD/ADHD hosted by Patrick McKenna (of Red Green fame).  Treatment and coping strategies are vague and featuring Centre for ADHD/ADD Advocacy, Canada.  Did not expect mention of Listening Therapy  (my fave), so I was not frustrated.

Then the kicker ... last 10 minutes talking about the benefits of "properly used" Ritalin , Ritalin is safer than aspirin (straw argument - no one is saying that Ritalin kills anyone), Ritalin is this, Ritalin is that, ..... Had to shut it off!

Walk away ... think nice thoughts ... No. nice thoughts - not thoughts about what might have happened if I suffered from Anger Control Deficit Disorder in near vicinity of the (ir)responsible ignoramuses who are conducting strategic marketing damage control and dressing it up as "Happy helpful advice"

The clowns are now performing the FDA "Mercury Dental Amalgam" Redux

I wish that I had the eloquence of PT so that I could write an encyclopaedia entry on the criminal behaviour of these distributors of mass misinformation.

Willingly blind to any other approach, treating symptoms on a consumer-convenience centered approach is neither medicine nor science! Hidebound, pharmaceutically obsessive compulsive. Give adult patients Ritalin to dose themselves with; let the ADD/ADHD sufferer schedule their own pharmaceutical treatment!  

The inmates are *truly* running the (psychiatric) ward!

Give the anger management patient the shotgun whydon'tya!
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, September 19, 2009, 3:03am; Reply: 97
Paul,
what type exercise do you do on a regular basis?
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, September 19, 2009, 5:25am; Reply: 98
Ribbit if you read the book of *the wisdom of the enneagram* or even clearer *the 9 personal types of the enneagram* by Don R.Riso you become aware what really maters you; f.ex. the more then one judgers in your head misleading to go for proper choices,always feeling torn between... etc.....here lays the key in real understanding and so no-one can make you believe anymore.... ;)(smarty)(ok)(clap)(hehe)

I was always wondering why it didn't work with me...analytical psy-th.
clarrooo now I know for me it is more important to come along with a body work...coz I am already a higly analytical mind....so far nearly all is grasped in my mind, must be understood why and how it is functioning but then... :o :B ;D ;D.....
don't underestimate your E-part as well....often I can relate to no 1
as well :D.....


oooh wow Paul, have you seen the documentation of that Dr. warning to use Ritalin??) She also mentioned that sudden infant death even at older ages is more than 600% elevated.....(goofy)(hand)(scared)...
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 12:59pm; Reply: 99
Lola, I am very irregular in my exercise right now - am going for "dynamic stability."

If I exercise to the point of sweating (which I can do a very brisk walk these days) for 40 minutes I will need to sleep or lie down for three or 4 hours before I can do much of anything. So I am back to walking for as long as possible without such exhaustion about a dozen times a week and a little EMS.

Exercise has always seemed to me to be an "extra" food category for Hunters and Explorer Genotype.  The Swami diet that I am on now is Explorer based, but very Hunterized in the limitations.  My Avoid list is almost as long as all the others combined - this is not a complaint - see below.  Working within this has allowed me to loose weight even when I suspect that I have gained.

My battle is all within my skull since I have to think around the destructive habits, environments and temptations that I cannot (usually) physically avoid.  As I have "gained ground" in my compliance the lower weight that I achieved seems easier to hold to.

At 367 down from a high of over 390 lbs; I spent three hours on my feet taking the kids to the local carnival yesterday.  Only three brief times to sit toward the end. This may not seem like much, but it is an improvement.  My allopathic doctor is not sure why I do not have diabetes and probably will not issue more water pills until I submit to the mercies of a bariatric clinic in Hamilton. I tried to sound the clinic out as to what therapeutic directions they go in, but they are not willing to be explicit to potential patient on the phone. So I have to put up with the edema that limits my ability to exercise. Difficult to walk on mushy feet.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:33pm; Reply: 100
keep motivated, take it slow, be compliant and don t forget to breath
deep......fresh air is so invigorating!
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:06pm; Reply: 101
Thanks, Lola.  

On the bright side I could conquer my health issues and get a physical and challenge my allopathic Dr. to understand how my good health returned with out his pills. Really like the guy, but hate the program that he is following.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:47pm; Reply: 102
better to go for your own belly feelings paul..instead of saying ok to MD's programs which are often onyl harmful.... :o :P :( :'(....
Posted by: 6612 (Guest), Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:47am; Reply: 103
What is ESTP ISTP, ESTJ, P and J?

I havent done testing but am an O nonnie hunter, and although I suspect being ADD, (not H, as I am not a natural exerciser) I got through life since as a female, my ADD is tempered.  I never finish anything, my house is a mess, I really do have two speeds, adrenaline rush and rest.  Once something is over , its really over, don't want to do a post mortem.  Never did bother to get wedding pictures printed, they are still on negatives.  (11 years later).  I hope there are still places that print from negatives.

My sister is also like this, don't know her blood type though, she is a 1/2 sis and I suspect she is a B, but maybe she's a nonnie too, who knows.

Kinga
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:38am; Reply: 104
hello Kinga nice to meet you here, those are the nominations of our psychograms it is one of the important aspects of BTD/GTD and can be found out in http://www.keirseys.com or http://www.theenneagraminstitut.com both systems are realy working well and are built up onto C.G.Jungs psychologiacal patterns and researches....(clap)(smarty)(ok)(sunny)
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, October 17, 2009, 3:35pm; Reply: 105
I read in one of the books that for an ISTJ, the insides of their dressers are very orderly, but the tops are often messy.  I can't explain why that is, but it's true for me!  My socks and underthings and t-shirts are all stacked very nicely.  But the top?  It's a place to pile whatever I haven't had time to put away.  That doesn't make any sense, I know, because it's the top that's seen!  And it bothers me!  But it would bother me more to have my t-shirts unfolded and just stuffed in there.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:52pm; Reply: 106
accept and love yourselve as you are... nothing to blame about ;) :D :K)...all is fine ....even if your underwares aren't that nicely arranged...why...coz nobody cares really ;) ;D :K)....
I should,,,, I ought... nada then paraphares... without any meanings... and go for * he loves me ..yea..yea..yea * ;) ;D :K) ...(hehe)(smarty)(whistle)(woot)(ok)(dance)............
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:20pm; Reply: 107
That's right, Isa.  So many personality books talk about "strengths" and "weaknesses" and how to overcome those "weaknesses".  After reading about MBTI, I realize they are not weaknesses but simply the way we are.  It's nothing to "get over" or "work through".  It's just the way it is, and each difference should be acknowledged and celebrated as individuality rather than trying to hammer somebody into a little mold that we created.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:31pm; Reply: 108
Oh!  I just remembered something DH told me about last night.  It's a paper he read about how all the senses are all tied together, specifically skin and hearing......

Okay, I'll ask him about it (maybe get a link or something) and post it here later.  Just from the little bit he told me, it might help explain some of our tendencies toward Sensory Integration Disorder.
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:30pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from Ribbit
Oh!  I just remembered something DH told me about last night.  It's a paper he read about how all the senses are all tied together, specifically skin and hearing......

Okay, I'll ask him about it (maybe get a link or something) and post it here later.  Just from the little bit he told me, it might help explain some of our tendencies toward Sensory Integration Disorder.
The ear is the key to all the other senses.

How true!  The ear is functional in utero at about 4 months gestation.  From then it acquires the range of specific frequencies for the languages that are heard though the amniotic fluid.  You ears are keyed to your mother's tongue (and/or the prevaling linguistic environment) before you are born!

Language, laterality, muscle tension, co-ordination of the senses (and of bodily movement) all come from ear function.
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 2:50pm; Reply: 110
Well, here are the articles.  They weren't what I'd hoped....I guess our talking about the implications was cooler than the actual experiments.

http://www.livescience.com/health/091125-skin-hears-sounds.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427365.200

We just wondered if this could explain some of us who have sensory overload.  With the combination of everything that bombards our senses from every angle........Well.  I don't know. :-/
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:49pm; Reply: 111
(smarty)(clap)(ok)(dance)(smarty)(clap)(sunny)so it is Ribbilein ;) ;D :K)....
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 8:49pm; Reply: 112
It is the ability to unconsciously tune out the sonic world is the key to the "peace of mind" you are longing for.  

That is how it naturally works for the majority of human beings - it is something that is done without any attention.  Compensating strategies will not fix the source of the issue.  Last week, I had a job interview in an establishment which trains and tests students in the use of compensating strategies.  I was not sorry to be informed that I was declined.  My view is that a cure is preferable to a crutch.

The ear can be focused as the eye is.  The difference is that eye control is voluntary but the ear can never be.  With a program of appropriate sound stimulus, your ear can acquire the natural function.  

The turning point in the Tomatis program this is known as the Sonic Birth and reproduces the correct sonic development which should have happened at the clients birth.  The transition from the liquid conduction environment (uterine) to the air conduction has profound neurological impact.  When the transition does not lead to neurologically efficient pathways, the infant becomes (choose whichever label you like) ADHD, ADD, dyslexic, Aspergers, etc.  The neurological mis-transformation is then entrenched and enforced by the standard action of the brain to constantly maintain by re-enforcement the earliest neurological connections.

Your "normal" is something only fellow-sufferers have experienced and only those who have recovered full listening (the ability to unconsciously turn off the hearing when required) function can begin to understand.

Have you heard of the profoundly deaf (no hearing via air borne vibration) being immersed in a swimming pool and the music being sent through the water for them to hear?  This is hearing via bone conduction.  

When in therapy, I wore the big, old-fashioned head phones & a unit that strapped over my forehead that stimulated hearing via bone (skull) conduction.  Good speaking tone is sufficient proof of good hearing.  We cannot reproduce those frequencies that we cannot hear (known as the first law or principle of listening that Dr. Tomatis discovered).  Evidence of good speaking or singing tone (not necessarily ability) is the ability of the vocalist to make their own skeleton vibrate.  With audition and auditory sense active throughout your body, one bathes others with the vibrations of the ones body!

In opera this is ability is extended to embrace as much power as the human body can project.  Opera singers are rarely thin - they use their torsos as a sound chamber.  This is no different from use of the hollow body of a guitar or violin.  Dr. Tomatis was the son of an opera singer and worked with remarkable success with Maria Calas to restore vocal frequencies by re-educating her ears.  Before his pioneering work, it was assumed that her career was at an end.

Dr. D' Adamo has identified the genetic and epigenetic markers that pre-dispose individuals to this mal-development.  This is such a breakthrough!  The potiential now exists to discern the varieties neurological mal-development, and to evaluate therapeutic approaches in light of that knowledge.  

This is just one reflection of the power of treating people as individuals; nutritionally, immunologically, even neurologically!  It may be that no one now alive, not even Dr. D Adamo and the others who worked on the development of epi-genetic differentiation will be able to appreciate the transformation of health care.  The wonders that where hoped for, with the mapping of the human genome, are happening right in front of us, people!  

(think)(book2)(clap)(dance)
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:29pm; Reply: 113
Reading that makes me want to cry.  I'm not sure why.

We probably talked about this somewhere in previous pages, but I'm not going to go back right now and re-read everything.  

What you're talking about sounds like AIT (Auditory Integration Training).  It retrains your ear to hear certain frequencies more or less acutely depending on your specific needs.  Have you read "The Sound of a Miracle"?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sound-of-a-Miracle-A-Childs-Triumph-over-Autism-Annab_W0QQitemZ120502012467QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Nonfiction_Book?hash=item1c0e7aca33

Yes, what I have (ADD) I'm sure is "on the spectrum".  It's why I could work with the children with autism.  Because in a small way, I could understand.  Talking to me you wouldn't even necessarily know there was anything going on.  But that's 30 years of hard work to figure out how to carry on a normal conversation.  I might stare at you too hard, but the reason is because I'm trying to block out everything else so I can concentrate on what you're saying.

Ahhhh.  The Internet.  Ahhhh.  Lovely.  It allows me to get out words without actually having to say anything.  Hurray!

It's why I have such a freakin' hard time being a mother.  I can't think because I hear everything.  Every whine, every word out of anybody's mouth---all at the same time.  Chaos!  Turn the radio on and move the dial between stations so you hear two different ones plus static.  That's  my brain.  Forget adding in people talking---that's what I hear when nobody's saying anything!!!  

Either that or I don't ---------

LOL--our cat just fell of the window sill!  Poor thing.  Sweet Peach, he's a cute kitty.

------------------hear it at all, which means repeating, "Mama?"  "Mommy?"  "Maaaaaammaaaaaaa!"  "Huh?  Oh, sorry, I was typing."  LOL
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:34pm; Reply: 114
At least I can laugh at myself.
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:37pm; Reply: 115
P.S.  I have a very good ear.  Near perfect pitch.  I can carry a tune very well, but my actual singing voice isn't all that amazing..... :-/...Average I guess.  Good ear though.  Like if you said, "Sing a C."  I could do it.  Or "Sing a G."  I could come really, really close.
Posted by: angel, Friday, December 11, 2009, 5:43am; Reply: 116
This past year a Social Worker working with the wounded warrior Program made the suggestion that my Husband may have ADHD, So he started describing our children to her and said that sounds like it , but pointed out that he probably does too. (He does-I have sent him some supplements that help with it-Dr. Christophers Mindtrac 4 caps before he starts work or needs ot concentrate.). I ahve foudn that we have to adjust the dosage to each person My son can work on two and for my husband 4 does better. We have also found out that Mine has gotten alot milder I was very hyper as a child and also very inattentive. Now I just have difficulty staying on task unless I am really into the subject and I have to really have to concentrate. If I have been sick forget it or a bad food reaction. No luck in wokring then, been like that for the past three weeks on and off.  My two youngest boys have been formally Dx with ADHD. My Dauaghter I am having evaluated. becasue she is inattentive and sometimes hyper. My two older boys are the same need to Dx. But the oldest is our overachiever he completes the home work before the teacher assigns it in class event he teachers posts it to his web log. My son just takes it and does it. He did this when I homeschooled too-finiahed all of his work for the week on Monday and played the rest of the week. He is the only student I have ever known of to be yelled at for doing their school work and told to stop working in public school.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, December 13, 2009, 9:32pm; Reply: 117
Yes, Ribbit it is really hard for you.

Although it has been a long time for me, the memory of that frustration with the world is still there.  There are people that find shelter from the noisy world in Ritalin.

I would suggest that classical music especially with a high frequency violin emphasis.  Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Vivaldi, and others will recharge your brain and calm down "the fidgets".  Gregorian chant is especially good for this.  If it does not distract you, you could have a disc playing in the background of a room where you will be spending some time.  Listening to the Chant is an excellent way to wind down from a stressful day.  Like it says on the medicine labels do not drive or operate heavy machinery while under the influence!    :) (sleep)

In or near France there is a isolated monastery that decided to replace the daily liturgical singing with other activities.  This was in the 70's.  When the monks were noticeably missing more of their duties due to colds and infections, Dr. Tomatis, a well-known eat nose and throat specialist, was called in to help.  His recommendation was to reinstate the liturgical singing and the health of the monks subsequently improved.

Heavy low frequency music drains the energy of the mind - through the body.  High frequency music calms the body and charges the mind.  Part of the reason that you feel so drained is that the natural, unconscious defenses against low frequency sounds are not working for you.  Minimizing your exposure to the sounds of heavy traffic, construction sites, and industrial noise is a good start.  Although Gregorian Chant and some classical music will not change the source of the problems that you face, they may help you face the daily challenges.

I can tell from my son's speech that he will benefit from the Tomatis Method.  My mother sent me a book by a British neurologist and nutrition expert, to help since his diet was poor when we visited England this summer.  It is called Gut and Psychology Syndrome; it is interesting, but lacks Dr. D' Adamo's philosophy of individualised nutrition.  It has helped strengthen the impression that we are all symbionts with our gut flora.  It also motivated me to improve my son's diet along the basic type A lines.

Not what mom and the author had in mind.  I will stick with what I know works, while I am still trying to figure out how it works!
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:33am; Reply: 118
haa Paul....you are a superbeneficial for this board ;D :K) you do have such a great knowledge and you are able to do the switch....(ok)(smarty)(dance).....music therapy can be thaaat awesome..... ;) as it can be thaaat nasty....but it depends of the individuum....for ex. I can't stand the chants of the tibetians...why coz it seems it doesn't fit as a neuronal response..... :o :-/ :B.....
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:51pm; Reply: 119
Can't tolerate Tibetan chants. Eeeeeeee! Love Gregorian.  I will take your advice and play more music.

Ah, that's a good way to put it: "the fidgets."  It's all in my mind, though.  It's in DH's feet.  We call it "wiggly leg."  It's calmed down a good bit just through his diet.  If he were in school today they would label him ADHD.  They wouldn't in a million years give me the "H".

Yes, Paul, you are super beneficial to these boards.

Funny you mention voice tone.  If I hear my voice on a tape recording or on an answering machine, my voice sounds low and sarcastic.  I don't mean it to sound that way.  But even when I'm feeling chipper, my voice tone sounds "down".  My parents always got on to me for "that tone of voice".  I was like  ??).  I was talking normally--not feeling disrespectful at all.  But when I hear my voice, it really does sound like that.  I've made a concerted effort to change my tone to where it sounds really fake and air-head-ish to me, but on tape it's better.  I tape myself reading stories and the children like to listen.  I enjoy doing different voices and accents for different characters in the stories.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, December 14, 2009, 11:51pm; Reply: 120
at CT we were treated to some wondrous tones!!!
remember guys!
extremely relaxing and energizing  ;)
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:05am; Reply: 121
Tibetian chant is not the same as Gregorian Chat.

Gregorian, and Ambrosian chant are developed from the Jewish chanting tradition, my last professional choral director told me.  Any music from those three would be equivalent in terms of the rich vocal harmonics.  There is one disc that I heard that had the choir so close in terms of tone and timing that they sounded like one voice!  The time and effort to get to that level of concentration must be astounding.  When you sing your whole concentration has to on the singing.  Your tone naturally deviates, if your concentration begins to wonder.

Ribbit, the low flat tone that you hear on the answering machine is how others hear you.  I now have a good rich tone - nothing like Sir Anthony Hopkins or James Earl Jones in his fashion.

What you have to change are your ears, not your voice!  It is not that your tone is low, although it sounds like it.  What you are missing are the higher harmonics that you do not hear!

When the hearing is restored the speech is also repaired.  This is something that you might remember.
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:11am; Reply: 122
Quoted from paul clucas

What you are missing are the higher harmonics that you do not hear!



I play flute.  I took private lessons from the same teacher for a little over 10 years.  We were good together.  We could make cool harmonics.  I didn't have any trouble hearing those. :-/
Posted by: 7331 (Guest), Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:56pm; Reply: 123
Heres how it goes...  give me feed back please...
The Physiological Explanation:
ADD and or ADHA can be flared by food allergens and or reactitions with hyperactivity and or under activity to the foods...  foods that wire us up and or foods that un wire us in to under activity...  along with nurtitional deficencies that are most likely not recognized as the correct condition along with food reactions they are almost always over looked and mis-diagnosised, not finding the true reasons behind the label ADD/ADHD.

The Psychological Explanation:
The gretest explanation for one attention lacking or even for the reasons behind why it is in working is understanding the theory of mulitiple intelligence and a bit or even all of personality psychology in witch i will barley just briefly conect the dots just enough for conving the truth...
Basis of personality PSYCH:
Introvert-more quiet and reserved and are mostly seen as ADD
Extravert-opposite of introvert and are more outgoing and are mostly seen as ADHD

THE THEORY OF MULTIPLE INTELLIGENCE!!!
1) Linguistic- Remebering words with ease, natural efficency of this is the GRESTEST example of why ADD is diagnosised LITERALLY
2) Mathematical/Logical- Deficency can also be a reason with ADD and even ADHD is diagonsis
3) Spatial/visual-  Seen as ADD and in a person that is an extravert who has hyperactive food reactions and has been enabled to act out of hand will be seen as ADHD...
4) Musical- creative types are mostly diagnosised ADD and or ADHD
5) Bodily Kinthetics- Athletics and gymnistist and dancers when mixed with musical intelect.
6) Intra/Interpersonal- Reading your own feels and or the feelings of others...  a lack of this is the perefect example of ADHD...  ignoring ones feelings and being an extravert who most likely doesnt think before he or she talks or acts possible invoving themsevles in inapropriet humor are most likely diagnosised as ADHD, in fact innapropriet humor in used by many people and is found funny but many who are not diagnosised ADHD but are not diagnosised because of the fact that they are intune with with there feelings and others and have developed or have commpassion and a conscious that knows not to say "that" cause it will hurt the persons feelings...  

anyways i do need to be a bit more oragnized but im only 22 turning 23 march 21rst i have autoimmune that branched from gastrointestinal problems witch is now effecting my thyroid(GRAVES DIEASEASE)...
Im a O Blood type Hunter Who is going to cure of what most people see as unknown or unknown to cure...  any advice will help from reader...

Im so thankful for DR. D and his advice and it brings me so much hope!!! 8)
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:19am; Reply: 124
Welcome to the forum, Savybeats.  My son's birthday is March 21 too. :)

Thanks for typing all that up.  You've got some good insights.
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, January 7, 2010, 5:26am; Reply: 125
I just started this thread in hopes of gathering some information:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1262841303/
but I figured it would be of interest here, and this thread is getting very long!
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:29am; Reply: 126
savybeats,
You can help the other members of the forum help you by choosing a blood type shield to display beneath your name.

how to
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/

Welcome!
displaying messages under the avatar:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/#num1

more on graves
http://www.dadamo.com/science_abh-lewis.htm
Quoted Text
Autoimmune Disease



ABH non-secretors appear to have an increase in the prevalence of a variety of autoimmune diseases including ankylosing spondylitis, reactive arthritis, psoriatic arthropathy, Sjogren's syndrome, multiple sclerosis, and Grave's disease. This susceptibility towards autoimmune problems appears to be most pronounced among Lewis (a-b-) phenotypes.  Among individuals with spondyloarthropathies,

find out your secretor status
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, January 7, 2010, 9:22am; Reply: 127
I fear that I still detest to get any diagnosis about whatsoever.... there's a great sentence very true and adaptable and practicable ;) * I am the one I'll become*  
not more but also not less....(smarty)(whistle)
and mankind is adaptable and changes all times...(dynamic) so far all those systems can only be seen with a lot of scepticisme and please far away to settle for ;) ;D ;D....(hand)(evil)(naughty)
Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Thursday, January 7, 2010, 9:48am; Reply: 128
Ditto with Isa ; I am lucky that in Italy ADD and ADHD are stll not the trend for diagnosis and the children are let go on often with their timetable for develpoment and growth. Junk food, preservatives and additives and agribiz out, children well cared and as free as possible rock. Dolto, Hillmann, and also Rudolf Steiner and so on know better. Also without homeschooling (in Italy it is so uncommon) Italians care a lot of individuality and resulting freedom.
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:27am; Reply: 129
ooh yea half of mine ;) :K) M.G. R.Steiner a great teacher of life; I like his antroposophique approaches....(smarty)(clap)(ok)(dance)(sunny)
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:50am; Reply: 130
People aren't divided equally into different blood groups. To find a connection one must also take the ratio blood type ADD/percentage of that blood type.
A more solid way would be opening different polls for each blood type and asking about the problem.
Posted by: VictoriousLiving, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 12:18am; Reply: 131
I think you can be 'AA' ( like me)and have ADD and there is a difference between that condition and ADHD ( which may have a greater genetic connection to type O blood).
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 4:37pm; Reply: 132
B Husband: ADHD.
Me: ADD.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, January 24, 2010, 6:35pm; Reply: 133
so you've accepted your *life-judgements* of others to find yourselfs in a sort of drawer??).... :-/ :o :P ;D ;D
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, January 24, 2010, 7:42pm; Reply: 134
Drawer?
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:15am; Reply: 135
drawer is the explication of a piece in a burea desk for example....you can pull or close it at your ease ;) :D ;D...
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, January 25, 2010, 6:47pm; Reply: 136
Ah.  Okay.
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:30pm; Reply: 137
Most of us who have been stuck with a label deal with the consequences, Isa.

Although there are problems with that, most of the people who I meet face to face do not know that I have to deal with dyslexia on a residual basis.  The reason for seeking for an analytical category is to gain better understanding of the combinations of cause.  We hope to use more effective ways of dealing with the symptoms and ultimately the source.

Although I have had an excellent treatment with the Tomatis therapy, I know that some cannot bring themselves to stick with the therapy. Others fall away from their remedial therapy and loose most of their gains.  Autistics experience varying results.  The therapy is expensive, time-consuming, little known, and induces a great deal of stress.  It's not exactly heaven on wheels!

With regard to the ADD/ADHD, I experienced so little hyperactivity that I would go with ADD.  Could the hyperactivity difference be partly based on secretor status?  Perhaps, Meghan is completely right and I just doped my hyperactivity away with bread and cheese.  

An epigenetically individualized analysis of many people along the "Spectrum" is way overdue.   ;D
Posted by: atticus182, Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:55pm; Reply: 138
Can someone who's voted post the results?  It doesn't show them unless you vote and I am not ADD so I don't want to vote and mess up the poll.  I'm just curious how it's turning out.  Thanks!
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 5:26pm; Reply: 139
Blood type O that suspects they have  ADD       (11 votes)       
     32.35%
Blood type O formally diagnosed with ADD      (8 votes)      
     23.53%
Blood type A that suspects they have  ADD      (6 votes)      
     17.65%
Blood type A formally diagnosed with ADD      (5 votes)      
     14.71%
Blood type B formally diagnosed with ADD      (1 votes)      
     2.94%
Blood type B that suspects they have  ADD      (1 votes)      
     2.94%
Blood type AB formally diagnosed with ADD      (1 votes)      
     2.94%
Blood type AB that suspects they have  ADD      (1 votes)      
     2.94%
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:48pm; Reply: 140
instead of judging yourselfs, Ribbi and Paul, better to have an eye into no:6 in the enneagram... :o ;D :D :K) to you both....
Posted by: TJ, Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:05pm; Reply: 141
Sometimes those labels (or "drawers") are useful to convey to other what you're up against.  It's easier for me to say bipolar disorder and anxiety than to give an in-depth analysis.  For most people, they aren't interested in hearing more than the label, because that's enough information for them.
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:12pm; Reply: 142
Quoted from Amazone I.
instead of judging yourselfs, Ribbi and Paul, better to have an eye into no:6 in the enneagram... :o ;D :D :K) to you both....


Tied 6&9 with 3&5 being close behind.
Posted by: atticus182, Thursday, January 28, 2010, 1:09am; Reply: 143
Thanks Ribbit!  That is very interesting data!
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:51pm; Reply: 144
ahem... my true thingy here was not to go against.... whatsoever... but to make clearer that we don't have.. this and that... but merely *are* it....so all becomes something different ;) :D....I don't like and can't accept to get *fixed* by a diagnosis, it's too simple and retains you in that hole...very b  :-/ :P >:(....I want to see that there is improvement possible and healings at any kind of situation.... ;) a much better outcome up from the very earliest beginnings.... :D....

Why do I act likewise... coz it's exactamundo me who is the one who tries to fix people and understand it up to ::)... so far I need to understand it first what's about it and then can handle a situation.... all has to get introduced by my intellect... if not I won't be able to handle  it.... :o :-/ :B....  Today often I use toughy my N-side in combination with my T-side... but then get the pics and I never was wrong.... :D perhaps is this the *fugue* in my brain ??) (funny)(shrug)LOL
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 7:55pm; Reply: 145
C'mon Isa, you know that I am a 5 with some indulgence towards 4.

Under stress (especially in front of a crowd) I could act like a cross between Robin Williams and John Cleese.  (He looks like an eight, let's wind him up and watch him go!)

:o :o :o
Posted by: LovetoRead, Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 8:09pm; Reply: 146
Hubby - A+ ADHD
Son O+ (I think) ADHD
Daughter A+ ADHD
Me....well, I'm an introvert who likes lots of peace and quiet.....ear plugs are my only option!  (haha)
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, February 4, 2010, 1:41am; Reply: 147
Quoted from atticus182
Thanks Ribbit!  That is very interesting data!


Hey, I just took the test to humor Isa.  I haven't had the time to study it enough yet to make sense of it.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:54am; Reply: 148
Paul I know ;) ;D...but to take the integrative way continiously we've to hang in into no 8 as well...so we need to develop our F-side and E...as well... ;) horror ....terror...to become that toughy as 8ts might be sometimes; the very best compliment once I got from Cocky was that I bullied her.... haven't been able for such a behaviour...but you see, here it was a compliment....and a point out that I was in the rigt direction.... ;) ;D(hehe)(hehe)(clown).....

Ribbilein its' due to your sentecne : time runs by having fun.... ??) :X :D ;D ;D ;)
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:29pm; Reply: 149
But time runs when I'm not having fun too.(clown)
Posted by: Golfzilla, Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 8:54pm; Reply: 150
Quoted from Ribbit
That's right, Isa.  So many personality books talk about "strengths" and "weaknesses" and how to overcome those "weaknesses".  After reading about MBTI, I realize they are not weaknesses but simply the way we are.  It's nothing to "get over" or "work through".  It's just the way it is, and each difference should be acknowledged and celebrated as individuality rather than trying to hammer somebody into a little mold that we created.


Amen Ribbit!!!(clap)
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:01pm; Reply: 151
I just put this in the Dream thread, but I thought I'd stick it here as well:


Azzap, I have learned two new things recently.  First, I'm thinking I have bad dreams when I sleep on my back because when I lay on my back it hurts.  Either my back or hips hurt and often my left arm falls asleep (our mattress is WAY too firm).  I think my mind in dream-state tries to figure out a reason for the physical pain, and it makes up some dramatic or traumatic reason that I'm in pain in that position.  Maybe.

Secondly, if you'll go read the thread about Nonnies and Time (edited: it might be the ADD thread where we were talking about it), you'll see that Paul Clucas has been telling us about the Tomatis listening therapy. I've been doing some research and I believe I physically feel sound waves.  It puts me in a hyper-sensitive state and on guard at all times.  At the moment I'm wearing ear phones that my husband unearthed from the basement.  It keeps the children's clatter down to a dull roar. And I can vacuum now without feeling like I want to scream.  When I go outside everything vanishes.  When I'm inside, I'm constantly bombarded (repeatedly, since they bounce) with soundwaves and it turns my body into a drum.

I wonder if my strange, vivid dreams are just tied in with whatever's going on with my ears.  We are seeing if we can get insurance to cover some of the cost of this listening therapy.  I bet it will affect my dreams as well.
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:13pm; Reply: 152
Quoted from Ribbit
Secondly, if you'll go read the thread about Nonnies and Time (edited: it might be the ADD thread where we were talking about it), you'll see that Paul Clucas has been telling us about the Tomatis listening therapy. I've been doing some research and I believe I physically feel sound waves.  It puts me in a hyper-sensitive state and on guard at all times.  At the moment I'm wearing ear phones that my husband unearthed from the basement.  It keeps the children's clatter down to a dull roar. And I can vacuum now without feeling like I want to scream.  When I go outside everything vanishes.  When I'm inside, I'm constantly bombarded (repeatedly, since they bounce) with soundwaves and it turns my body into a drum.

I wonder if my strange, vivid dreams are just tied in with whatever's going on with my ears.  We are seeing if we can get insurance to cover some of the cost of this listening therapy.  I bet it will affect my dreams as well.
It is called bone conduction.  As opposed to air conduction.  The second level of hearing.

Bone conduction is how the profoundly deaf "hear" symphonies underwater.  Head phones and bone conductors (an un padded phone that vibrates your skull directly) are necessary tools for Tomatis's therapy.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, March 8, 2010, 5:59am; Reply: 153
the more we give away to others judgements , the more we will get lost ....sorry I am really against such losses.... ;) ;D(funny)(funny)(shrug)(whistle)
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:23pm; Reply: 154
fish oils and seaweed
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 15, 2010, 7:24pm; Reply: 155
Ribbilein thanx for understanding ;) :K) lill sis.... :D ;D half of mine ... :D
Posted by: Goldie, Thursday, May 20, 2010, 12:31pm; Reply: 156
Quoted Text
Ribbit.. Azzap, I have learned two new things recently.  First, I'm thinking I have bad dreams when I sleep on my back because when I lay on my back it hurts.  Either my back or hips hurt and often my left arm falls asleep (our mattress is WAY too firm).


YOUR mattress is killing your neck.. buy a soft foam cushion for now and use it at least on you're side of the bed.. the NECK is what could be causing all your issues.. the back and neck are connected..like on S shape.. if the top is stressed the bottom will give.. going so far as if the S is not corrected then the knee will tear.. please look at my signature..

please if you can get rid of the mattress I had to do it.. no need for firm .. but the blue foam or a slice of memory foam works.. I don't like memory foam beds too much over the top and heavy.. a killer for the back.. but a 1 inch slice is ok ..
Posted by: AKArtlover, Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:51am; Reply: 157
Interesting article...
Pesticides tied to ADHD in children in US study
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64G41R20100517
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, May 31, 2010, 2:41am; Reply: 158
Pesticides are designed to kill small organisms with almost no immune capability.  It is no wonder that intestinal flora are killed by such.  Pesticides particularly build up in Explorers.  The question is “Are Explorers more prone to ADHD with absolutely no contact with pesticides?”
Posted by: AKArtlover, Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:09pm; Reply: 159
Intriguing idea about the gut flora. Sounds like the same thing with overprescribed antibiotics and MRSA.

I have heard that a lot of the soils are lifeless because of this reason. Kill the bad stuff, kill all the good stuff too.

The ecosystem is out of balance. Farmers are getting herbicide superresistant nasty weeds.They have a nasty variety of pigweed plaguing the soybean and corn fields for this reason. Finding they have to remove manually or burn (I think that's what they said). This is probably part of the reason for the Round Up ready GMO's.

I even read something the other day about resveratrol only being produced in organic grapes because it is a natural protection for the plant that doesn't occur when the plants are sprayed with chemicals.

The intelligence given to even the plants blows my mind. IMHO we would probably be better off looking for ways to harness it as it is rather than interfere with it by altering the genes.

Again, what are the long term consequences? :-/

I guess it's ok to hijack an ADHD post a little bit.  ;D






Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:21pm; Reply: 160
Speculation on how to improv the BT diet for ADD is on topic, IMO.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:13pm; Reply: 161
Paul isn't that merely a question of being or vagotonic or sympatotonic ??) and yep nearly all of us are brainstormers...even up to our extremest issues...that'swhy we might be prone for epilepsy..... :-/ which is nothing but a form of convulsion after having been overloaded with informations that our brain isn't able to handle at that very moment...so far.... if no other toxic stuff is involved btw...;)...
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, June 18, 2010, 12:09pm; Reply: 162
btw.. I found out a super product called :phosetamin from Köhler pharma in Teutonia... this became a NES but with better quality.....an it works great in case of electrolyte imbalances and vegetative dystonies... a m a z i n g !!!

Ingredients with 6 tablets daily: lecithin of eggs 1'800mg's,Tri-magnesiumdicitrat 464,52 mg's,Mg 72,0mg's,Tri-Kaliumcitrat-Monohydrat 533,4mg's,Kalium 192,0mg's,Tri-calciumcitrat 200,04mg's , Calcium 48,0mg's

http://www.koehler-pharma.de

the little sis here is : Inzelloval... ;D :D(ok)(dance)(smarty)(sunny)
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, June 18, 2010, 1:32pm; Reply: 163
High doses of B12 gets rid of my ADD.  When I have enough, I'm a normal person who doesn't have any symptoms whatsoever.  As the B12 wears off, my brain is the first to go and then my body follows.  It makes me wonder how many years I've been deficient.  I'm guessing most of my life.
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:48pm; Reply: 164
This is tempting me to forget about my remedial therapy and just rely on B12 injections.

If it did not just seem like succumbing to a Ritalin alternative (with no adverse side-effects hopefully!) I would be comfortable with B12 injections and working to improve B12 absorption.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, July 19, 2010, 3:53pm; Reply: 165
Yeah, it seems like a not-so-perfect temporary fix until I figure out what to do.
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 1:58pm; Reply: 166
My father, who is a successful entrepreneur and businessman, told me that he received B12 shots from a nurse.  He says the nutritional boost was the reason why his hair did not turn grey, (and still hasn't completely)  Since he past retirement age more than a few years ago, this little tidbit about B12 shots is one that I thought I would pass on.

If he got tested, I would expect to find that he is a non-secreting A Explorer.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:33pm; Reply: 167
all those themata.. ADD &ADHS can be solved by hypnotherapy... :D....b u t it depends of the therapist ;) ;D....(goofy)(smarty)(whistle)

but ok I'd implement always BTD ;) ;D...too... 8)
Posted by: Jared, Saturday, July 24, 2010, 5:53am; Reply: 168
I have ADHD. I was on Adderall. I liked Adderall alot. I loved how it killed almost all of my appetite. I never felt anger when I was on it. It was wonderful.

It made all of my thoughts visual. I could see, like a transparency, an abstract visualization of nearly all of my thoughts.  What was cool was this "parallel processor" was controlled by my subconscious. It anticipated with the answers my conscious mind was attempting to form. Like I was trying to imagine the effect of gravity on curved space, and my subconscious was presenting me with visualizations of the geometry - presenting them to me, like it was waiting for me to catch up.

What I did not like was how rational and even scientific it made me. All I could do was think about physics or economics while I was on it.

It made it very difficult to write. I was so rational I could not access my vocabulary. It made me so focused on science I could not smile to people. I was always very serious. So I switched to Ritalin. Ritalin made me very social. I was like a talk show host on it. It made me salient of every sensation. It would be great to go hunting on Ritalin.

I have no real need for these things now.

I began to use the hormone Pregnenolone and a dose of Acetyle L-Carnitine on the side. Pregnenolone is a hormone that helps brain tissue repair itself. I did not like its effect at first, but I kept up with it for a month and all of my ADHD symptoms disappeared. I stopped taking the Pregnenolone and yet I am still ADHD free. I re-grew my brain.

I do not know if that would work on others. Pregnenolone turns into Progesterone. As a guy, that could be bad, but I did not notice much "female" like traits emerge when I was on it. My reflexes improved on it as well.

Take it with the Carnitine. Carnitine helps with nerve tissue health as well.
Posted by: TJ, Sunday, July 25, 2010, 1:32am; Reply: 169
Wow Jared, you sound like Bart Simpson on Focusin.
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, July 25, 2010, 2:42am; Reply: 170
Quoted from Jared
Carnitine helps with nerve tissue health as well.


Thank you.  I will look into that because I've got some serious nerve stuff going on.
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, July 26, 2010, 8:24pm; Reply: 171
If you can do the permanent re-wiring of the brain with drugs rather than the Tomatis Therapy ...  (think)

Jared, did you notice a mental boost as you took the Pregnenolone + Acetyle L-Carnitine?  Were you working or studying at the time?
Posted by: Jared, Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1:36am; Reply: 172
No mental boost. I had much quicker reflexes. It was not like a stimulant. Make sure it is the Acetyl-L-Carnitine, as the regular L-Carnitine does not pass through the blood brain barrier. I was also taking a Biotin pill.

Carnitine competes with Carnosine, they are antagonists. I took Acetyl-L-Carnitine with Biotin and Pregnenolone in the morning, more ALC in the afternoon, and then I also took Carnosine at night. Carnosine is also neuroprotective, removing glycation products from the Brain, as well as ammonia. Carnosine is a bit expensive, but worth it.

It changes you mental perspective but not at all like Ritian. I felt hmm.. how should I say it? - I felt competent. I felt ready. I did not feel stimulated.
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 6:07pm; Reply: 173
Jared, I would say that quicker reflexes are a sign of better neurological efficiency.  A boost unlike those given by stimulants.

When I was taking the Tomatis Listening Therapy, I became more co-ordinated by the end of the program.  My elementary school grades also jumped up.  Achieving better listening capability in the program is the measure of changing over to using more efficient neurological pathways.  Both were the central goal for Tomatis.  Listening was both the metric and therapeutic focus.

Did you discover this method of treatment, or were you given direction of some sort?
Posted by: Jared, Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 6:44pm; Reply: 174
I discovered it on my own. When I first tried Pregnenolone on a whim back in 2008, I noticed it made me think differently, in a manner I did not like. I really loved my ADD way of thinking, but this hormone seemed to replace it with a feeling like I was in Sunday School. I stopped taking it. Then about a year later I decided to try it again. The "Sunday school feeling" was less intense. I figured I would put up with it.

(The reason I was interested in Pregnenolone was that it was shown to improve concentration in pilots, in a test made in WWII.)

I also ordered some Acetyl-L-Carnitine at the same time. I wanted to try it for energy. The combination of the two really sharpened my reflexes. It radically improved my driving (a task similar to flying) - in fact, it seemed to help in two ways. It gave me a better sense of direction, better memory of where I am in relation to other things - and it made me see and understand the motions of things better (where they are, where are they going) I was more aware of my own body's place in the world.

The effect on the reflexes was temporary, but I have not had any ADD like symptoms since then. The thing is, I always loved my special ADD way of thinking. I still have what I loved of my thoughts (the ability to see the inner-connections between things) but without the sudden scattering of my efforts along 200 digressions. I have more control over my thoughts yet I am still me.
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 2:31pm; Reply: 175
Very interesting.  Does it affect your mood, your ability to connect to people, or your sense of passing time?

I am asking since I have experienced episodes of berserk rage in my teens (when I was not keeping up with my remedial therapy) and some of your experiences remind me those states of mind.  My memory is dodgy at best, but the ability of being intensely aware of all physical proximity simultaneously was enough to stick.  I also experienced time differently; other people seemed like they were in slow motion.

I am definitely not interested in anything that could put me in that mental state again.  The Myers-Briggs INTP designation works for me; the shadow of my personality thrives in the world of extroverted feeling.  For the early part of my adult life I was living in fear of loosing control of my anger.  Having worked on the issue, my knowledge of and comfort with expressing moderate anger is a relief (and was a source of amusement for my past co-workers).

As in your past, I suffered from "butterfly" attention-span.
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 3:25pm; Reply: 176
Let's talk about solutions for improved concentration, learning, memory...

Hormone peaks can make one resistant to the hormones so better be clear before knowing it and it in you all

B vitamin supplements aren't well balanced, come with genetically modified "other ingredients", and aren't really natural actually

Phosphatidyl choline supplement usually comes out of GMs. Organ meats are more powerfull than any suplement.

Phosphatidyl serine can be found in very high doses in mackerel.

Choline and serine are high in organ meats, seafood and meat.

Inositol is in safe vegetables, fruits, brown rice and grains.

EFT is advised to solve emotional traumas, which are between the causes of ADD/ADHD.

Omega 3 is in seafood, chia seeds, flaxseeds. GLA is in borage oil, evening primrose oil, spirulina, chlorella.

Iodine is in seaweeds.

Detox is in chlorella, parsley, chinese parsley, vegetables, maybe some clay or maybe a little alpha lipoic acid.

BTD seems to include enough of necessary nutrients for Os. I once read something like Os diet should contain plenty of vegetables, meat, seaweed...

But the most important, I think, is in staying clear of emotional problems.

Anyone tried EFT?

Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:43am; Reply: 177
you forget the wrong lectins can in fact contribute to emotional problems, so stating clear of those for starts is in itself a great start!! :)
Posted by: misspudding, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 1:53am; Reply: 178
What is EFT, exactly?
Posted by: Jared, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 179
I believe he is referring to Emotion Focused Therapy. It assumes the cause of our behavior is the need to form an emotional bond with others.  

I disagree with this approach. ADD is not a emotional disturbance. It does not need to include any defiance to authority at all. ADD at its root is a powerful sense of curiosity - a sense of wonder. The ADD student has a motive to their actions. They have a superior means of thinking, utilizing a very rapid power to perceive similarities between ideas and thus recognize patterns. This process of perception is vivid to the ADD student, leaving them deeply absorbed in their thoughts.  

ADD can allow a person to make new and novel mental associations, ones that might be inconsistent with the educational goals of the school they are attending.   However, these new mental associations form the basis for the production of new ideas. They are not rebels, but leaders. They are merely held back by the limits of the programs they are in.

The only problem that a person with ADD has is limited productivity. Creative association must yield to a commitment to act on those thoughts. Follow through is difficult.

If the process of rapid mental activity cannot be inhibited - it shall produce brainstorms which are too disorganized for application. Their ideas rush before them as limited, fragmentary, flashes of brilliance - a torturous problem because other people want an end-product, not a fragment of thought. End products must be presented to others as an organic whole. The must produce a structure so that others can understand them. This is beyond the capacity for a young person. They are trapped inside a spiral of their own conceptions. (and yet someday you will see them with a PhD...)

Furthermore, they must have some way that the trivial, humdrum aspects of reality can be recognized as important, and given a place in their activities. They do not do their chores. There is no emotional basis for this. It is biochemical, and not emotional. It can be watched on a fMRI.

It is the humdrum aspects of school that are often the hardest for them. This means homework and in-class assignments. Drills of any kind and arithmetic are excruciating for them. Their reaction to these aspects of school can be watched on a fMRI. Parts of their brain almost shut off when asked to do drills.

Your brain cannot feel pain, but if it could, the ADD child would be likely to explain that they feel it when doing chores. Chores are excruciatingly difficult for them. They want to do the chore but they cannot. Their brain will not let their mind decide what to do. Ritalin and Adderall massively overpower those parts of the brain which have "shut down" on the fMRI. The drugs let the brain obey the person.  

ADD children have terrible handwriting. They are often bad at sports. These are both motor coordination problems. I beleive that Acetyl-L-Carnitine seems to help out with the motor coordination problem.

Doing what other people ask them to do is hard. They are in no way trying to be defiant. The brain refuses to obey what the mind told it to do. I personally feel as if the social aspects of ADD are related to the motor-coordination problems. I find that Acetyle-L-Carnitine helps with that as well. The question is why? I believe that social aspects of obedience may be related to the power to follow and understand meaning of physical motions. We communicate by moving - our face, our hands and even our whole bodies. I am much better in a work environment with Acetyl-L-Carnitine. I would say it is much better than Ritalin at work.

I am into the biological, rather than psychological explanation for ADD. It is possible that diet affects ADD. I have not done any research on that, but stay away from wheat and sugar. Those can ruin my concentration very rapidly. I still use Acetyl-L-Carnitine but only because it helps my workouts. The brain boosting appears to be permanent.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:45am; Reply: 180
Jared--where have you been?! ;D  Delighted to have you here.

I've run out of phosphatidyl serine.  Gotta get more.  If I could just remember.... ;)

I agree that it's more biological than psychological.
Posted by: Jared, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:49am; Reply: 181
Oh Yes, I want to add that therapy (non-chemical) does work. Every thought you have changes your brain. You brain is the machine, but you are not a machine. You change the brain by thinking and experiencing things, just as the brain changes how you think and experience the world.

Emotional or behavioral therapy does work. But there are things that therapy cannot address. Counting money is a good example of something therapy cannot help. A person with ADD will take half an hour to count out $325.oo in cash, while someone without it will take 5 minutes. The ADD person miscounted a dozen or more times and had to restart his count over again. That is his brain disobeying his mind. Ritalin can override the disobedient brain. With Ritalin simple tasks are possible. I do not think that therapy can make me count out cash with greater accuracy. My emotions are irrelevant in that incidence.

I am sure that emotional, behavioral therapy can improve ADD. I do not think it can change the chemical nature of the problem and make me count out cash any faster.  
Posted by: Jared, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 4:33am; Reply: 182
To Paul Clucas!  As to my mood with the Pregnenolone - I would say two things. My recent adventure with it had minimal changes in my mood - if any changes occurred, I would say I was more sentimental, and even empathetic while on it. It does make female hormones.

The first time I was taking it, I was taking a bunch of bodybuilding supplements. These had the purpose of boosting my testosterone levels. I thought the Pregnenolone (which also converts into DHEA) could make even more testosterone. That is why I bought it.

Now, I do not want to say something that Lola will need to edit out of my post,  ::) but the combination of the pregnenolone with the bodybuilding stuff made me extremely sexual. It gave me a raw and somewhat frightening lust. It also made me a tad bit jealous and possessive. It made me a real cave man. Downright primordial. But when I took it without the testosterone boosters, it made me feel a deep sympathy for others. Rather like a pastor going forth to pray for people. My sense of empathy (a female trait) was more active on it.

As an aside, have you read any of Dr. Amen's ADD books? He breaks ADD down into six subtypes. Your subtype could be different than mine. This will effect the treatment options. I am subtype 5, a type of inattentive ADD prone to melancholy feelings. In type 5 ADD, the fMRI shows some "overheating" of the hippocampus. Pregnenolone has a healing effect in the hippocampus. However, pregnenolone is a GABA (A) receptor antagonist. Any antagonist to the GABA (A) receptor is bad for a person who is prone to bi-polar. (The bi-polar type of ADD in Amen's system is  is type 6.) Type 6 ADD should avoid anything that antagonizes the GAGA (A) receptor. I would avoid pregnenolone if you are prone to mania.

I want to add that the Acetyl-L-Carintine is not a hormone. It is used for ADD in Italy, where there is disdain for stimulant medication. It has been shown in Italian studies on ADD to improve the social behavior of children with ADD. I would guess that the Italians like it because they do not like teenagers becoming enraged. I am sure you will be fine with it.

I have always been slow to anger and quick to forgive. That is something of a Type 5 ADD trait. So is being shy and melancholy - certainly two traits that USED TO dominate my personality. Now I am mostly a curious and informative person, prone to lecturing about ideas and concepts to random groups of people.  ;D

Try the Acetyl-L-Carintine but maybe not the pregnenolone?
Posted by: Jared, Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:06am; Reply: 183
Some additional thoughts, all the forms of ADD will show up on an fMRI as a decrease in activity in the prefrontal cerebral cortex when asked to concentrate on some simple task like counting money. There are two locations of this reduced prefrontal cerebral cortex activity, one is on the side and the other the top. These two locations indicate whether or not the ADD is hyperactive or inattentive.

If the MRI shows only one of these two traits, they are diagnosed as having either Type 1 or Type 2 ADD. In Dr. Daniel Amen's system, if there is any additional oddities in the brain scan, then the patient is tested for having one of the remaining 6 subtypes.

Patient history can be used instead of a brain scan... and it is cheaper too.
Posted by: 7596 (Guest), Thursday, July 29, 2010, 12:16pm; Reply: 184
Thank you Jared for your explanations, I think they can be helpful. Acetyl-l Carnitine helps with producing cellular energy from fat. Leaving grains and sugar is another way of helping body staying energetic because they cause insulin resistance. High insulin resistance means one cannot produce the energy they need from glucose and therefore results in carbohydrates not utilized for energy but stocked as fat. With a low insulin resistance one can stay energetic after consuming all the food and starting to convert fat stocks to glucose. Therefore small amounts of blood sugar can be enough for them to be concentrated.

About emotional problems and EFT, I mean getting over the problems that may cause the point of concentration to change. For example every teacher and every student can't get along well personally, especially with no incentives to do it. With such a situation, student tries to stay away from whatever the teacher is doing sometimes or thinking of ways to change the way the teacher bothers him or her.

And emotional traumas such as ones that a people live in childhood that make them still feeling bad when trying to learn new things, somehow, for example. I guess they can be understood only when searched.

For example a person telling a story about how bad a situation happened the first time they did something may have suffered from such an emotional trauma when he/she did it again in the past, or maybe the trauma is still having its effects on them.
Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, July 31, 2010, 2:54am; Reply: 185
Quoted from Jared
To Paul Clucas!  As to my mood with the Pregnenolone - I would say two things. My recent adventure with it had minimal changes in my mood - if any changes occurred, I would say I was more sentimental, and even empathetic while on it. It does make female hormones.

The first time I was taking it, I was taking a bunch of bodybuilding supplements. These had the purpose of boosting my testosterone levels. I thought the Pregnenolone (which also converts into DHEA) could make even more testosterone. That is why I bought it.

Now, I do not want to say something that Lola will need to edit out of my post,  ::) but the combination of the pregnenolone with the bodybuilding stuff made me extremely sexual. It gave me a raw and somewhat frightening lust. It also made me a tad bit jealous and possessive. It made me a real cave man. Downright primordial. But when I took it without the testosterone boosters, it made me feel a deep sympathy for others. Rather like a pastor going forth to pray for people. My sense of empathy (a female trait) was more active on it.

As an aside, have you read any of Dr. Amen's ADD books? He breaks ADD down into six subtypes. Your subtype could be different than mine. This will effect the treatment options. I am subtype 5, a type of inattentive ADD prone to melancholy feelings. In type 5 ADD, the fMRI shows some "overheating" of the hippocampus. Pregnenolone has a healing effect in the hippocampus. However, pregnenolone is a GABA (A) receptor antagonist. Any antagonist to the GABA (A) receptor is bad for a person who is prone to bi-polar. (The bi-polar type of ADD in Amen's system is  is type 6.) Type 6 ADD should avoid anything that antagonizes the GAGA (A) receptor. I would avoid pregnenolone if you are prone to mania.

I want to add that the Acetyl-L-Carintine is not a hormone. It is used for ADD in Italy, where there is disdain for stimulant medication. It has been shown in Italian studies on ADD to improve the social behavior of children with ADD. I would guess that the Italians like it because they do not like teenagers becoming enraged. I am sure you will be fine with it.

I have always been slow to anger and quick to forgive. That is something of a Type 5 ADD trait. So is being shy and melancholy - certainly two traits that USED TO dominate my personality. Now I am mostly a curious and informative person, prone to lecturing about ideas and concepts to random groups of people.  ;D

Try the Acetyl-L-Carintine but maybe not the pregnenolone?
The Pregnenolone reaction is what (especially in women) I call "spin".  When a woman radiates concern and sympathy and is just a little too anticipatory of the other person, I have assumed that she is celibate (if she is of a usually fertile age).  I call this spin because it reminds me of an energetic gyroscope - the energy in the system is present but only discerned by the slight perturbations.  I expect that the purpose for this is for men to be drawn to a woman who is celibate.  When I was celibate for long enough, I felt an expansive and outgoing charity towards people.  I found myself being happy to go to extreme lengths to help people with their concerns without any kind of repayment.  This was my own look into experiencing "spin" myself.

Jared, I have experienced the knuckle-dragging impulses as well.   ::)

I am interested in finding out if I would register as ADD (or some such) on a fMRI and have watched the PBS lecture that Dr. Amen gave.  I am a whiz at math and have a BSc. so "dyscalculia" does not fit me.  When I was tested at the age of four I had unusually high recognition of abstract shapes, but I stuttered, was shy, could not pronounce words properly and had poor writing (despite reading books voraciously).  

If I register some definable pattern, I would like to "see" the improvement that comes from doing my remedial therapy.  Lack of feedback is a real drag on my good intentions to do the therapy.  Have fMRI images been done on Autistic sufferers?

I am not manic or bipolar.  I had teenage friend who was both so I know what it is like for companions of such sufferers.

Generally, I am slow to anger (and most other physically demanding situations), but years of being a target of pranks and the general hormone chaos that comes with adolescence is triggered berserk breaks.  I have had breaks of consciousness or skips when I do not remember time passing.  This is connected with tasks taking longer, I think.  Currently I would say that I am not functionally Dyslexic (the label that I am most used to) with the exception of still having a little trouble spelling words.

There are emotional side effects of suffering from some Learning Disability.  My father, who had some of the same therapy, was really insistent that some therapy to deal with the emotions should be run parallel with Tomatis.  He became a therapist, as a retirement occupation, so there is a little professional pride – to go along with his valid point.  The way of releasing yourself from the current emotion by tapping your arm is certainly a simple and profound technique – if you remember in the heat of the moment.

Acetl-L-Carintine is available through my best local HFS, I believe.  The body-builder's store (he does look like an Explorer) is well stocked with protein powders and amino acids.

Pregnenolone in both male dominant and female dominant systems would seem to increase the incidence of pregnancy.  

(whistle) :D
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, July 31, 2010, 8:44am; Reply: 186
Jared, what's about the use of l'tyrosine and alphalipoic acid ??)
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, August 1, 2010, 7:35pm; Reply: 187
what about ADHD>. is it the same, different, or what?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:57pm; Reply: 188
ADHD and ADD (innatentive type) are related, sometimes the two conditions are referred to as AD/HD. With ADHD, kids get distracted and physically move around a lot, often literally chasing after whatevet it is that distracted them. With ADD, kids get distracted and sit staring at things out the window, or get lost in "dream worlds." Their impulse control is just as poor, but they're less likely to want to do dangerous things (running into the street, climbing on top of the refrigerator) in the first place.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, August 9, 2010, 3:50pm; Reply: 189
hmmm I don't can loose my feelings that all this is only about of too much of energy creatings, almost type O's ;) ;D....(goofy)(whistle)(funny)and that big pharma needed another point to make us buy.... ::) :X.....
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, August 9, 2010, 4:46pm; Reply: 190
Quoted from paul clucas
  I have had breaks of consciousness or skips when I do not remember time passing.  This is connected with tasks taking longer, I think. ......

....... The way of releasing yourself from the current emotion by tapping your arm is certainly a simple and profound technique – if you remember in the heat of the moment.



Yes.  Yes, exactly.  I remember my mother asking constantly, "What have you been doing all this time?" and me thinking, "All what time?" but only saying, "I don't know."  I know it made me look dumb, but what could I do?  Now DH will sometimes ask, "What took you so long?" All I can do is shrug and say I don't know.  For now I'm going to blame it all on these "migraines" (without the pain).
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, September 18, 2010, 5:17pm; Reply: 191
I'm more AB like in terms of personality.  Sometimes i am very extroverted, other times introverted and quiet.  
Me:  A+ and ADHDx2  I read a book by dadamo about disorders and blood type, and A blood type supposedly has highest incedence of adhd, ocd, and anxiety.  
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, September 18, 2010, 5:28pm; Reply: 192
I am a professional mental health counselor, so the subject of how blood type and certain disorders cluster interests me.
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, September 18, 2010, 5:37pm; Reply: 193
My dad is AB+ and although hyper, has more focus and better stress handling ability than anyone i have ever met.  He was a heart surgeon and once performed operations all day while he had a stomach bug causing him to vomit.  He mentally surpressed the vomiting all day while operating, and when he got home, he started puking again.  
I believe he could smoke any O out there in terms of stress handling ability or drive intensity!  And he is very easygoing...a nomad i think.
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 1:20pm; Reply: 194
Quoted from ruthiegirl
ADHD and ADD (innatentive type) are related, sometimes the two conditions are referred to as AD/HD. With ADHD, kids get distracted and physically move around a lot, often literally chasing after whatevet it is that distracted them. With ADD, kids get distracted and sit staring at things out the window, or get lost in "dream worlds." Their impulse control is just as poor, but they're less likely to want to do dangerous things (running into the street, climbing on top of the refrigerator) in the first place.
This could be a easy as naturally introverted Dyslexic or extroverted Dyslexic!

Since no one is ready to admit that a ADD/ADHD/Dyslexic child might be brought to a normal mode of being, the normality of the child is masked by the learning disability.  The concern of the "lost time" is to differentiate being lost in your own world against more severe personailty disorders.

I suffer from lost time, but then I do not do my remedial therapy much.  Like the diet you have to pay in effort for the results that you get.  The problem is that any noticeable benefits that I see from my therapy take about 6 months to notice and ~everyone else~ seems to be nicer and more easy to get along with.  Not excatly motivating feedback!
Posted by: Joy, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 4:33pm; Reply: 195
Hi to all ADDers,

I was diagnosed at age 48.  There are many types of ADD combined with other behaviors.  It is like a jigsaw puzzle.   Its like finding eyeglasses for your brain.


I can look out a window at nothing and be fascinated.  I also get stuck because in the everyday world sometimes I cannot stop the flow of experience (people without ADD can filter out alot).  In other words, I find myself being able to focus on everything and that can be overwhelming.  Also, when I am doing something creative I get lost in time and this  feels good.  

Over the years I have done research and the first book I read was "Driven to Distraction" by Dr. Hallowell.
I may have posted this previously  but it bears repeating.   My thought was how did they know what I've been going through.  It was a big relief.  But the learning had just begun.

Self observation and self forgiveness is very useful.  


Joy
Posted by: 10809 (Guest), Sunday, September 26, 2010, 2:14pm; Reply: 196
Quoted from ruthiegirl
ADHD and ADD (innatentive type) are related, sometimes the two conditions are referred to as AD/HD. With ADHD, kids get distracted and physically move around a lot, often literally chasing after whatevet it is that distracted them. With ADD, kids get distracted and sit staring at things out the window, or get lost in "dream worlds." Their impulse control is just as poor, but they're less likely to want to do dangerous things (running into the street, climbing on top of the refrigerator) in the first place.


I discovered a book called The Explosive Child By Ross W. Green. It is fantastic. These children do not respond to dicipline and rewards like other children do. Been trying some of the tecninques on my son. I am having good results with it. Cant wait to finish the book.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:00pm; Reply: 197
My daughter showed very slight sympotoms of this as a toddler, after changing her diet the symptoms went too.

BTD very little sugar, low FODMAP and absolutley no chemicals NONE. we also stopped vaccines towards the end of her 3 year. wish we had done that sooner, know what I know now.

if she get's for example a 1/4 carton of a fruit juice with aspartame in it she is MAD for 24 hours, ans really do mean MAD!
Posted by: TheLori, Monday, October 11, 2010, 9:34pm; Reply: 198
My parents were told when I was four that I was ADD/ADHD because I tended to be hyper and unable to focus. I varied between that and just totally zoning out in my own little world - I was very creative but had trouble focusing it in the right directions. My mom refused to let them put me on meds though and instead worked extensively with me to help me cope. It helped that I was homeschooled, so she had a lot of time to work with me. She taught me to channel that energy into other things and 'keywords' to help me pay attention. To this day if you say 'Lori, focus.' to me you get my instant and undivided attention no matter what I was doing before.

As I got older it got easier, sometimes I can still get really hyper and unfocused or just zoned out staring at nothing (or zoned out staring at someone else without realizing it - seriously creeps my dad out when I do that) for the most part I do pretty good staying on track. Also, as I like to tell people, 'I'm not random, you just can't think as fast as I do!' because I have a tendency to jump between topics without warning.

To Policychecker - aspartame did weird things like that to me too at that age. I got into it a couple times when I was little, my mom tells me I literally bounced off all the furniture and ran around screaming as loud as I could and wasn't able to really calm down for almost 3 days before it wore itself out of my system. Nasty stuff and certainly didn't help me.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, October 11, 2010, 9:46pm; Reply: 199
I think anger... internalized anger is a typical NT issue... equal if we are E or I's ;)
Posted by: TJ, Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:42pm; Reply: 200
Aspartame breaks down into aspartic acid, an amino acid and excitatory neurotransmitter (much like glutamate).
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 12:33am; Reply: 201
The Duffy genes, located on chromosome one at position 1922-23, have recently been cloned and sequenced. The difference between Fya and Fyb is a change in the amino acid at position 43 from aspartic acid (Fya) to glycine (Fyb).
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 5:02pm; Reply: 202
I've been wondering whether there's a difference between "zoning out" and Petit mal seizures, and how can you tell the difference without an EEG?
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, October 14, 2010, 12:26am; Reply: 203
Been wondering the same thing, Square Peg.  
Posted by: TJ, Thursday, October 14, 2010, 7:21pm; Reply: 204
No twitching? ;)  Sorry, couldn't help it...
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, October 15, 2010, 1:46am; Reply: 205
You don't twitch so much with a petit mal seizure.  You just sit perfectly still for a minute, and then when you "wake up", you don't realize any time has passed.  I think.
Posted by: Melissa_J, Friday, October 15, 2010, 2:53am; Reply: 206
What age can somebody be diagnosed with ADD?  My doctor said my youngest son's kindergarten teacher will probably catch it if he has it, but he's not in kindergarten yet and if he has ADD he may be better off with homeschool?  I guess we can see how it goes.  I sometimes think he's not listening only to find out he didn't miss a thing, so I can't tell.  He has trouble finding things when I tell him where they are and would get lost very easily if I let him wander by himself...but perhaps his older brother was just very good at those so it's just a comparison thing and I only have two to compare.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, October 15, 2010, 4:49pm; Reply: 207
Quoted from Melissa_J
What age can somebody be diagnosed with ADD?  My doctor said my youngest son's kindergarten teacher will probably catch it if he has it, but he's not in kindergarten yet and if he has ADD he may be better off with homeschool?  I guess we can see how it goes.  I sometimes think he's not listening only to find out he didn't miss a thing, so I can't tell.  He has trouble finding things when I tell him where they are and would get lost very easily if I let him wander by himself...but perhaps his older brother was just very good at those so it's just a comparison thing and I only have two to compare.

Your school district might have a screening program for pre-school-age children.  If not, they might refer you to a birth-to-three program in your community.  You might find out more from this website, which is meant more for screening for autism: http://www.firstsigns.org/
Frankly, your doctor doesn't sound very helpful.
Posted by: TJ, Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:21pm; Reply: 208
Quoted from Ribbit
You don't twitch so much with a petit mal seizure.  You just sit perfectly still for a minute, and then when you "wake up", you don't realize any time has passed.  I think.
My step-sister's toddler has those.  He's there but not there, you know.  Then he snaps out of it, and gets very tired and has to sleep it off.

It makes me wonder how inter-related seizures and migraines are.  Even more, I just learned about an anti-convulsant called Topamax that is also used to prevent migraines.  I'm looking into it now for myself!
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 2:53am; Reply: 209
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
The Duffy genes, located on chromosome one at position 1922-23, have recently been cloned and sequenced. The difference between Fya and Fyb is a change in the amino acid at position 43 from aspartic acid (Fya) to glycine (Fyb).


Interesting that your partner has a similiar blood type to you including the Duffy type. I have just put my Duffy type in the signature line
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 6:20pm; Reply: 210
Quoted from 10809


I discovered a book called The Explosive Child By Ross W. Green. It is fantastic. These children do not respond to dicipline and rewards like other children do. Been trying some of the tecninques on my son. I am having good results with it. Cant wait to finish the book.


Wait- some kids DO respond to discipine and rewards?

Maybe that's my problem with DS. He's "normal" and I have no experience with that! ;)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 6:48pm; Reply: 211
1-2-3 Magic can work with most "normal" kids.  "Normal" = Neurotypical.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 11:02am; Reply: 212
A BTD helped Emily, She started showing all the signs, but on her low fodmap, Swami Diet, She is like another child. even more so now that we are even more careful about Milk, Soya, MSG and aspartame.
Posted by: paul clucas, Thursday, February 3, 2011, 4:17pm; Reply: 213
She is blessed to have such a dilligent parent.   :)
Posted by: revitalise, Sunday, October 2, 2011, 7:57am; Reply: 214
Hi Ribbit

Have been reading your threads here and being a fellow A+ Warrior find lots of similarities.  In particular the feeling Sound Waves.  Have had a year full of earthquakes the past 12 months and it has been quite something to process.  Do you know what your parents blood types are/were.  Are a product of O and AB one of them a negative.  Not sure which one.  This must make for some pretty interesting chemistry.
Posted by: Kumar, Sunday, October 2, 2011, 10:28am; Reply: 215
So O's are the most vulnerable to ADD, followed by A's?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, October 3, 2011, 9:45pm; Reply: 216
That's also the breakdown of how common each blood type is. It  could be that all types are equally vulnerable.
Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 3:23pm; Reply: 217
kumar  beautiful country.  Off topic I know.
Posted by: Lin, Thursday, October 6, 2011, 3:32pm; Reply: 218
Kumar,  The picture is beautiful, looks heavenly.  I'm jealous.
Lin
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, October 7, 2011, 1:26am; Reply: 219
Quoted from revitalise
  Do you know what your parents blood types are/were.


My mom is an O and my dad is an A.
Posted by: Goldie, Friday, October 7, 2011, 12:02pm; Reply: 220
Quoted Text
A BTD helped Emily, She started showing all the signs, but on her low fodmap, Swami Diet, She is like another child. even more so now that we are even more careful about Milk, Soya, MSG and aspartame.


YES BTD : The way to avoid the condition.. or lessen it to near gone..

Yes: also cut out all smoke from her life..  maybe even from the gene pool from which children come from .. like if moms or dads that smoked before getting pregnant or in grand parents.. it might be the 'precondition' that then allows ADD ADHD to develop..  
Posted by: Easy E, Saturday, October 8, 2011, 3:07pm; Reply: 221
I am A and have ADHD traits for sure.  Think its high for O and A esp.
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Saturday, October 8, 2011, 10:55pm; Reply: 222
flax oil and avoiding transfats is supposed to help.

as well as the obvious avoiding sugar, additives, aspartame.
Posted by: paul clucas, Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 1:26am; Reply: 223
Quoted from Goldie


YES BTD : The way to avoid the condition.. or lessen it to near gone..

Yes: also cut out all smoke from her life..  maybe even from the gene pool from which children come from .. like if moms or dads that smoked before getting pregnant or in grand parents.. it might be the 'precondition' that then allows ADD ADHD to develop..  
My mom smoked alot when she was pregnant with me, and part from the Dyslexia it stunted my growth!

I should have been 7'2"!   ;)

Just kidding!  It is more likely in an Explorer-centric pregnancy that the placenta being busy detoxifying the smoke, would push the "rough environment survival mode" slider on high.
Posted by: GameMaster, Saturday, January 7, 2012, 5:14pm; Reply: 224
Hello everyone,

This is my first post. This tread just stuck-out at me so I couldn't resist.  ;)
At the age of 7 I was diagnosed with ADD.  I'm not so sure they (the doctors) really know anything about it then.  They said I had Tourettes syndrome.  I gradually grew out of it but it still remains in a form of ADD.  I recently discovered a connection with my problem and artificial colors.  It really flares up when I eat anything with it.  This got me searching and soon I found Dr. D's book.   :)  It is such a good read!  I'm excited and I've already started changing what I eat.

Have a blessed day!

Josh
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, January 7, 2012, 6:54pm; Reply: 225
Welcome Josh, glad you found the book and this site!
Posted by: GameMaster, Saturday, January 7, 2012, 10:42pm; Reply: 226
Thank you!  Glad to be here.   ;D
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, January 8, 2012, 12:22am; Reply: 227
Josh,
here is more on your individuality
http://www.4yourtype.com/TypeB_basic.asp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY
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http://www.dadamo.com/media/PersonalizedNutrition_B.pdf
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Sunday, January 8, 2012, 12:24am; Reply: 228
Healing the gut makes everything better too, as does eating less sugar, be in in wheat, candy or whatever. plus you may find that a little more good oil in your diet helps especially flax, and perhaps hemp seed maybe try and see how it affects you.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, January 8, 2012, 2:02pm; Reply: 229
Welcome GameMaster!

It's really a shame your parents didn't stumble upon the Feingold Diet when you were a child, as that probably would have helped you a lot. OTOH, my parents DID stumble on Feingold when I was little, but my therapist talked them out of implementing it. ::) Certainly, nobody thought to cut wheat out of my diet then (nor did I think to do that for my type O daughter when she was in 3rd grade). In a nutshell, Feingold cuts out artificial colors, fragrances and flavors (in the diet, topically, and the environment), plus cuts out all salicylates during "stage one" but it's not blood type specific.

My type B son definitely gets behavioral reactions to tomatoes. I'm not sure how he reacts to artificial colors, because I've had all my kids off them since 2005 (when my son was only 3.) If you haven't already done so, you may benefit from cutting out fragranced home cleaning products, artificial colors in body lotions, etc. Many people react to chemicals that they touch or breathe in, not just those they eat.
Posted by: GameMaster, Sunday, January 8, 2012, 5:13pm; Reply: 230
Thanks Ruth,  Through the Feingold website and other similar forums I came across the LR4Bt book.  It's a real shame my mother didn't know about the artificial colors and the wheat.  But she grew up with home cooked meals with lots of bread, chicken and sweets from the store.  That's how she feed my brother and I.  

That's the past though.  I'm just planning for the future now.   ;D

BTW... I hated tomatoes as a kid.  I felt as I go older I was just being spoiled.  So I learned to love them.   LOL!  Oh, well.  :P

Have a Blessed day!
Josh
Posted by: grey rabbit, Sunday, January 8, 2012, 8:23pm; Reply: 231
Quoted from GameMaster
BTW... I hated tomatoes as a kid.  I felt as I go older I was just being spoiled.  So I learned to love them.   LOL!  Oh, well.  :P

Have a Blessed day!
Josh


Me too! Unfortunately I learned to love and make a killer marinara sauce and then had to give it up. Tomatoes are not my friend :(
Posted by: cajun, Monday, January 9, 2012, 10:58pm; Reply: 232
GR, can you tell me what reaction you get from tomatoes?
I am curious because they are the one avoid that I have not been very compliant with. I eat them fresh, in sauce or salsa. I don't indulge daily but I do weekly. :B
Just thinking they may be adding to the sinus issue. ::)
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, January 10, 2012, 2:40pm; Reply: 233
Welcome to the forums, Josh.   :)  This diet has helped my ADD considerably.  My mom knew enough not to feed us artificial anything, but we ate a good bit of whole wheat bread and we drank a good bit of milk.  At least it wasn't all tampered with.  I'm sure I would have been a lot worse off if I'd been eating fake food.
Posted by: GameMaster, Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 2:20pm; Reply: 234
Thanks Everyone for the warm welcome.   ;D

Quoted from Ribbit
I'm sure I would have been a lot worse off if I'd been eating fake food.
Things like sugared cereals were the worst!  I loved them and now I miss them.   ;)

I'm fortunate that I was always active.  Up to about 8 years ago I started working a
second shift job.  Eating "lunch" at 9pm really messed my system up.  I gained weight very fast and ate a lot of sugar just to function.  I was also just married!  My ADD was at it's worst in a long time.  I left that job 4 years ago and
started my own business.  Since then my weight and ADD is back under control but I feel there is something still not right.  I'm not healthy.  :(  But that's why I'm here.   ;)

Thanks and Have a Blessed day,
Josh

Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 4:50pm; Reply: 235
Quoted from GameMaster
Since then my weight and ADD is back under control but I feel there is something still not right.  I'm not healthy.  :(  But that's why I'm here.   ;)
As a Type B, it is possible for you to be a Nomad Genotype.  Per Dr. D., Nomads are known to have sluggish livers.  It may do you good to either do the GTD or even better, SWAMI to have a more personalized recommendation.

If either of those options are out for now, you could try following the liver protocol to see if that helped you.


Posted by: GameMaster, Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 11:21pm; Reply: 236
Nomad, huh?  I've always felt like I was wandering through this life.  Home is where I laid my head. As the old saying goes.  ;D

The SWAMI test is on my to do list.  But for now I'll look into the protocols.  Even if my Liver was functioning correctly it would still be good to use the "Hepatiguard" anyway.  Thanks ABJoe.  

BTW...Could you point me to some more info on the SWAMI. I've seen the video.  It was very informative.  

Thanks and have a Blessed day!
Josh
Posted by: Easy E, Thursday, January 12, 2012, 1:46pm; Reply: 237
If you look at that chart at the very top, the distributions of add mirror the frequency of blood types in the population.  To me it looks like add does not pick a blood type over another!
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, January 13, 2012, 2:21am; Reply: 238
I sounded like a know it all...guess that is my A nit pickyness coming out.  It just jumped out at me.  

Prob if anyone does not eat right or take care of themselves, they will be less focused.  Seems like some just are affected a lot more than others by poor diets and the like.
Posted by: Joy, Thursday, July 5, 2012, 11:53pm; Reply: 239
I have ADD and there have been times when it really "threw a monkey wrench into my life".  It created havoc.  

I honestly don't believe that blood type is an accurate indicator as to who will have ADD and who will not.  I have read at least eight books about adult ADD (I was diagnosed when I was 33 yrs old)

There are books on how to handle it in your relationships, with parents, at work, etc.  IFor me it's not really the ADD itself but the "time involved in finding a diagnosis (the correct one), accepting the fact, putting into play the techniques that will work for you and living with it to the best of your ability.  It has been proven that people with ADD are very creative etc and therefore can become extremely successful in their chosen fields.  

It really is not about blood type but about the way in which your brain is "wired".  It is a very hi tech word in this day and age but an accurate one for people with ADD.  

I managed to compensate for it when I was a child but it did take its toll.  I missed out on opportunities that people without it took advantage of and motivated themselves to further their fulfillment in life.   This is a big deal when you are over 60 years old.  

I continue to support parents with children who are tearing their hair out wondering why their small innocent child is hyperactive and acting out in a wild fruitless way with them and at school.  Plus having to make a decision, if necessary, to medicate their child.  

Joy


Posted by: paul clucas, Saturday, July 7, 2012, 12:50am; Reply: 240
Joy, ABO type is not any kind of indicator for ADD, but the Explorer Genotype and some others are.  Also it may be that non-secretors might be more prone.  Fingerprints on index or thumbs that do not correspond with their counterpart on the other hand are linked with fluctuating asymmerty - a possible description of the neurological development required for ADD.

My compensating methods have developed into different resources since my therapy.  Although I do not appreciate it, my Father tells me that I am patient with people who are slow to learn.  I tutor mathematics professionally.
Posted by: Joy, Saturday, July 7, 2012, 3:44am; Reply: 241
Paul,

I read what you posted a few times and I agree in part.  

There are a few words to take into consideration with a condition such as ADD.  The books I have read indicate there is no surefire diagnosis.  It can be in combination with other causes and on and on.

I guess we have to keep in mind the words - indicator, prone, and possible indication.  When I tell someone I have ADD (and I choose to whom I tell very carefully) I can tell immediately that they have no clue what it is all about because I see that glazed look in their eyes or a subtle deer-in-the-headlights look.  Unless they have it also most people don't have a clue.  I don't really blame them because it is a condition that  has definite markers but how it plays out in the individual's life is sometimes another matter.

A person's compensating skills are sometimes truly astounding. I appear to be a very patient person.
I am impatient (in some instances extremely impatient).  

In fact  I  actually possess very good listening skills.  


Joy
Posted by: Spring, Saturday, July 7, 2012, 4:18am; Reply: 242
Quoted from Joy
It has been proven that people with ADD are very creative etc and therefore can become extremely successful in their chosen fields. Joy

My husband's nephew has ADD, and he is brilliant! Has a wonderful job and lovely family.
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 2:11am; Reply: 243
Quoted from Joy
Paul,

I read what you posted a few times and I agree in part.  

There are a few words to take into consideration with a condition such as ADD.  The books I have read indicate there is no surefire diagnosis.  It can be in combination with other causes and on and on.
Joy, people who are enthusiastic about a particular approach want that approach to be the best.  It is a normal and understandable stance.  The therapy that I received is by no means universally useful.  Autistic children seemed to have received less to almost no benefit from it.  The best thing is to use Dr. D' Adamo's philosophy of "keep what is useful and loose the rest."

People tend to know one or maybe two approaches to the learning disability phenomenon.  It is because of this that I am suspicious of the claim that "No one has a cure" or that there is "No surefire diagnosis".  In reality there may be no one person who is equipped with enough experience to make these statements unequivocally.  Dr. D' Adamo also urges us to question one-size-fits-all advice.  “The advice is specific to some people, but is it specific to me?”  There may be no surefire diagnosis for some, but yet there may well be a surefire diagnoses for others.

Although it may be more effective with dietary support (I hope so) my therapy alone enabled me to accomplish academic improvement that was considered unique by non-specialist but otherwise experienced educators.

There is a core morphological principle common to Drs. Tomatis and D' Adamo that suggests to me that the foundational and causal principle has been located.  Dr. D' Adamo locates fluctuating asymmetry by the mismatching dermatoglyphics of index finger and thumb.  Dr. Tomatis' therapy involves stimulating the language center in the brain by by getting the reader to speak into the soft tissue between the index finger and thumb, creating a feedback loop.  The nerves from the hand adjoin the nerves from the language center in the brain.

The best option we could have is using Dr. D’ Adamo’s science of tracing genetic and epigenetic differences in people for diagnostic use and then selecting from an array of therapeutic approaches based on analysis of what has worked in the past.  Retroactively typing individuals who have already received help would be a necessary start to this.

We want to protect ourselves from false hope, but a false hopelessness is no better.

Quoted from Joy
I guess we have to keep in mind the words - indicator, prone, and possible indication.  When I tell someone I have ADD (and I choose to whom I tell very carefully) I can tell immediately that they have no clue what it is all about because I see that glazed look in their eyes or a subtle deer-in-the-headlights look.  Unless they have it also most people don't have a clue.  I don't really blame them because it is a condition that  has definite markers but how it plays out in the individual's life is sometimes another matter.
It is a whole different world.  A person with normal development cannot truly experience the normal reality of a person with these challenges.  Each person seems to adapt a unique set of coping mechanisms; the human spirit cannot be uniformly contained.
Quoted from Joy
A person's compensating skills are sometimes truly astounding. I appear to be a very patient person.

I was no longer forced to compensate two years before high school.  Saying that it was one of the small number of events that has dominated the path of my life is an understatement of massive proportions.
Quoted from Joy

I am impatient (in some instances extremely impatient).  

In fact  I  actually possess very good listening skills.  
Can you follow a conversation when there are other conversations around that are just as loud?

The properly functioning human ear automatically processes information with a discretion that the human eye cannot match.
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 11:48pm; Reply: 244
Paul,
After reading through the latest posts I am curious. Is it possible to develop "adult" ADD?
I was always a good student , loved learning, and received good grades.I don't think I was hyperactive but was always "tapping" my feet/fingers or jiggling my foot/leg as I sat.
As I grew older:
If I got excited about a subject I would sometimes stutter just a bit.
When I am involved in conversation my thoughts stray as I try to describe details of my story...I basically get distracted and lose my place.
When I try to multitask I seem to lose focus and then get frustrated.
Is there such a thing or am I way off base? ??)
Posted by: Joy, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 12:33am; Reply: 245
Paul,

I wanted to digest and assimilate your responses.  Learning disabilities do tend to get "lumped together" in alot of people's minds when they hear the words.  I feel that they assume its dyselxia or ADD with our without hyperactivity.  Unless they have or know someone well who is dealing with any of these conditions is another thing.  I do this myself with conditions I don't understand.  Categorize it in your mind and that's that.

Forgive me for misleading you with the phrase "surefire diagnosis".  There are definite signs and ways in which a professional can tell if someone has a learning disability.  My journey started with a book called "Driven to Distraction" back in 1996 (?).  It was written by two psychologists who both had ADD and learned coping skills.

I agree and like the turn of phrase "the human spirit cannot be uniformly contained".  

I will post more on this but I must do something now.

Joy

I am glad to hear that the method you chose by Dr. Tomatis worked.  Of course, Dr. D'Adamo gives us the nutritional help for our brains and bodies to help us cope.  Thank God for that I say.



Posted by: Joy, Wednesday, July 11, 2012, 1:55am; Reply: 246
Paul,

To continue.  I am not at all familiar with Dr. Tomatis' method but find it profound.  
I'd say it was "a guiding light " that led you to be helped before you even entered high school if I understand correctly.

I was blissfully and ignorantly unaware of my ADD and definitely missed opportunities to steer myself towards courses and interests that would move me forward.  I had fun but.................

Hearing and listening to me are two different functions.  When I am in listening mode I instinctively understand the gist of what someone is saying and usually what they really mean.  

No, if there were more than one loud conversation going on around me I would not be able to listen effectively.  I would probably be picking up a phrase here, a few words there, etc.  It would be very distracting for me.

When I first moved into New York City I tried ear plugs to block out extraneous noises then used cotton in my ears.  Sounds silly when I think of it now but the noise was so loud.  Then I couldn't stand the cotton in my ears and discarded that.  

Joy
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, July 13, 2012, 9:11pm; Reply: 247
Reading and learning about allergies and histamine (high levels) i have learned that adhd is related to having excess histamine levels in the blood.  Eating high histamine inducing foods will aggravate symptoms.  ADHD could in a sense be a symptom of an allergy or intolerance.

Hunters and explorers, being most reactive and producing high histamine levels naturally, would likely be most prone to ADHD.

I used to have intense energy and an explosive temper, poor focus and impulsive behavior at times when i was a kid, though very good natured and kind hearted.
Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 13, 2012, 9:57pm; Reply: 248
Easy E,

That's a new theory about high histamine levels but one to consider.  

What would you say are some "high histamine foods"?  

I find eating organic and hardly any processed foods helped me alot.  Cola drinks are something I used to consume but not excessively but it was standard to order a coke with lunch when eating out.

Joy
Posted by: cajun, Saturday, July 14, 2012, 9:05pm; Reply: 249
Easy E,
Hmmm. Your message could relate to me. Swami has me as a "reactor" and I fight histamine on a daily basis with my sinus issues.
Any ideas/tests on how to know if I could possibly have ADHD?
Posted by: Easy E, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 8:05pm; Reply: 250
Not sure, i just have read in different places that high histamine levels can have symptoms that sound like ADHD symptoms.  Eating the wrong foods probably would increase histamine levels, and cause sinus problems, throat irritation, poor focus, even higher release of stomach acid, and probably many other things.  Histamine also effects mental health and brain function.  

Low histamine levels also have symptoms and problems too.

The livestrong website has some good info on it, i like reading stuff on that site.
Posted by: Joy, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 11:44pm; Reply: 251
Cajun,

What Easy E is saying about histamine levels and food I feel may have similar symptoms to ADHD but it is not ADD. Attention Deficit Disorder  is way more than that.

If someone already has ADD and also sinus problems that would complicate matters even more.

Joy
Posted by: cajun, Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:59am; Reply: 252
Thanks Joy. I have not been diagnosed with ADD but have always wondered.... ::) ??)
Posted by: PCUK-Positive, Monday, July 16, 2012, 8:42am; Reply: 253
I would have thought that anything that onsets in adulthood would be to do with something in the body that is starting to struggle.

be it liver, brain or whatever it must be to do with the reason why it struggles be that food or toxins or I suppose a tendency in one or those areas due to you blood, body, genetic makeup or a combination of them. but unless it is a very big new toxin the tendency was likely always there, perhaps hidden by your bodies ability to get rid of what ever is causing the problem when you were younger.
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, July 20, 2012, 2:09pm; Reply: 254
Quoted from cajun
Paul,
After reading through the latest posts I am curious. Is it possible to develop "adult" ADD?
I was always a good student , loved learning, and received good grades.I don't think I was hyperactive but was always "tapping" my feet/fingers or jiggling my foot/leg as I sat.
As I grew older:
If I got excited about a subject I would sometimes stutter just a bit.
When I am involved in conversation my thoughts stray as I try to describe details of my story...I basically get distracted and lose my place.
When I try to multitask I seem to lose focus and then get frustrated.
Is there such a thing or am I way off base? ??)
I have seen a least two children who have attention and other behavoiral issue after having tubes put in their ears.  Now, I have no basis for comparison.  There might be a pattern, however.

The mal-development can be hidden in intelligent children, but not for long.  It is possible that the mal-development is inseparable from mal-development of the intestinal environment, and that intestinal mal-development alone could be enough to drive some of the behavoir issues.

Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, July 20, 2012, 2:21pm; Reply: 255
Quoted from Joy
Paul,

I wanted to digest and assimilate your responses.  Learning disabilities do tend to get "lumped together" in alot of people's minds when they hear the words.  I feel that they assume its dyselxia or ADD with our without hyperactivity.  Unless they have or know someone well who is dealing with any of these conditions is another thing.  I do this myself with conditions I don't understand.  Categorize it in your mind and that's that.

Forgive me for misleading you with the phrase "surefire diagnosis".  There are definite signs and ways in which a professional can tell if someone has a learning disability.  My journey started with a book called "Driven to Distraction" back in 1996 (?).  It was written by two psychologists who both had ADD and learned coping skills.

I agree and like the turn of phrase "the human spirit cannot be uniformly contained".  

I will post more on this but I must do something now.

Joy

I am glad to hear that the method you chose by Dr. Tomatis worked.  Of course, Dr. D'Adamo gives us the nutritional help for our brains and bodies to help us cope.  Thank God for that I say.
You already have my forgiveness.  I am very interested in having Tomatis, and other successful modalities evaluated by which kinds of people benefit most from each.

Therapy selection-right-for-your-type.  It will be difficult to set up with even one modality.
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, July 20, 2012, 2:41pm; Reply: 256
Quoted from Joy
Paul,

To continue.  I am not at all familiar with Dr. Tomatis' method but find it profound.  
I'd say it was "a guiding light " that led you to be helped before you even entered high school if I understand correctly.

I was blissfully and ignorantly unaware of my ADD and definitely missed opportunities to steer myself towards courses and interests that would move me forward.  I had fun but.................

Hearing and listening to me are two different functions.  When I am in listening mode I instinctively understand the gist of what someone is saying and usually what they really mean.  

No, if there were more than one loud conversation going on around me I would not be able to listen effectively.  I would probably be picking up a phrase here, a few words there, etc.  It would be very distracting for me.

When I first moved into New York City I tried ear plugs to block out extraneous noises then used cotton in my ears.  Sounds silly when I think of it now but the noise was so loud.  Then I couldn't stand the cotton in my ears and discarded that.  

Joy
It is not silly at all Joy.  Someone else on the board has benefited from plugging one particular ear.  It is not therapy, but it provides immediate relief from the neurological pressure of having you listening focus open to all sounds indiscriminantly.

Listening is hearing focused for the purpose of communication.

According to Tomatis, the ear that does not adapt to the sound environment craves the filtering protection of water.  A sonic return to the womb.  Gell-filled or water filled ear plug might work better.

You might also try putting a plug in just your left ear.  Humans are naturally right eared, because the neurological path for the air conduction listening on the left is longer.  Stutterers are mixed dominace listeners.  When you fix the way they hear the world, you automatically fix the way they speak.  The left ear seems also to have a function of listening to the body's internal sounds, since the nerve wraps around the heart and descends through the viscera before returning to the brain.

From your descriptoin of your experience, it sounds like you would benefit from the Tomatis therapy.  My father became a psychotherapist as a means to transition from his usual work-aholic lifestyle into full retirement.  His opinion is that the listening therapy, which he underwent as well, should always be accompanied by some sort of talking therapy for patients to relieve the emotions that are vented.
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, July 20, 2012, 3:10pm; Reply: 257
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
I would have thought that anything that onsets in adulthood would be to do with something in the body that is starting to struggle.

be it liver, brain or whatever it must be to do with the reason why it struggles be that food or toxins or I suppose a tendency in one or those areas due to you blood, body, genetic makeup or a combination of them. but unless it is a very big new toxin the tendency was likely always there, perhaps hidden by your bodies ability to get rid of what ever is causing the problem when you were younger.
That would be different from the understanding of inefficient pathways in the brain, which is the best description of poor neurological development.  It reminds me of the concept of neurological fluctuating asymmetry.

The brain gets stressed when it is rewuired and I felt that when in therapy at about 9 year of age.

The questions I would like answered are:

1 Does neurological plasticity mean that LD issues may develop as an adult or does intestinal balance replicate or create LD issues.

2 Do therapies that alter neurological organization work better when intestinal issues are simultaneously addressed.

3 Is it possible that the incidence of LDs reduce with maternal intestinal health?

By LD, I mean the whole group of behavoir labels than come from atypical neurological development.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Friday, July 20, 2012, 4:51pm; Reply: 258
Quoted from cajun
Easy E,
Hmmm. Your message could relate to me. Swami has me as a "reactor" and I fight histamine on a daily basis with my sinus issues.
Any ideas/tests on how to know if I could possibly have ADHD?


There are a variety of material online to help determine this, although one normally wants to visit a professional is a diagnosis is important.

The online material include test you can take.

There are often fees for these tests.

Here is a free one:

http://www.adhdawareness.com/adhd-assessment-checklist.html

May need to adjust questions about performance in school to be appropriate to your context.
Posted by: Easy E, Friday, July 20, 2012, 7:29pm; Reply: 259
I used to  have adhd problems but no ear or sinus problems.  I was sent to boarding school in sixth grade and found basketball, which turned me around and got me right.  

The genotype diet reminded me how important real exercise is for my wellbeing.  I was not really exercising in a cardio type of way.  Began cycling and playing tennis, and this made me not want to smoke anymore, and i got back to my roots!  The exercise seems to be very important in my case at least.
Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 20, 2012, 9:38pm; Reply: 260
Easy E,

I used to have earaches every year as a child but no sinus problems.  I was very high energy but didn't excel in any sport.  

In one of the books I read it said when ADHD people are bored it really affects their thinking greatly.  

I got out of a job like that a few years ago and it definitely affected me - not in a healthy way.
I'm just turning things around for the better in all ways right now.  Thank God for that.

So, I do understand your comment that playing sports helps you in many ways and also with ADHD.


Joy
Posted by: Joy, Friday, July 20, 2012, 9:57pm; Reply: 261
Paul,

Dr. Tomatis' theory of listening is worth taking a look at.  I did a quick search and it seemed to focus initally on children who were autistic.  I browsed very quickly so I did not retain alot during that time.

When you talked about plugging one ear to get immediate relief and the function of each ear internally my ears "picked up".   In your opinion, does it matter whether you are left or righthanded?

Relief  from the neurological pressure of having you listening focus open to all sounds indiscriminately was addressed in the book "Driven to Distraction".  It stated that ADHD was not the inability to concentrate on one thing but the ability to concentrate "on everything around".  Quite overwhelming!

As any ADD person knows unless a person is really interested in the subject matter they can be distracted by almost anything.  

I will look into Dr. Tomatis again.

Joy
Posted by: paul clucas, Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 1:39am; Reply: 262
It makes a great deal of difference between being right or left ear dominant.  People have fewer problems integrating listening function when the right ear is dominant.

There are also muscles in each ear that control the degree of "openness".  Those muscles are under unconscious control so this is something that just seems to click into place.  Once unconscious control is achieved, listening requires less concentration not more.  Someone who has always been functionally "Dyslexic" will never understand what it is to have a "normal" world.  Someone who has never been Dyslexic will never understand what it is to have a Dyslexic one.

Another board member has already reported some level of success plugging the left ear to get relief from a noisy environment.  I only wish more could be done for that person.

Try plugging your left ear and see what it does for you.  Use a suitable plug though, because the ear canal does not heal from being scratched.
Posted by: Joy, Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 5:24pm; Reply: 263
Paul,

Please explain to me once more.  I am lefthanded.  When I talk on the telephone I hear better with my right ear.  

Joy
Posted by: cajun, Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20pm; Reply: 264
Thanks for the info, Paul and C sharp! :)
The only 2 items I could relate to regarding the ADD test were that I am easily distracted and only really pay attention to subjects that interest me, which fortunately are many.
I have known children and an adult with ADD, so I do realize how serious it is.
My issues seem more to do with focus and concentration. ;)
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, August 27, 2012, 4:57pm; Reply: 265
Left handedness might be linked with left or mixed ear dominance.  Ears are used by the eyes for tracking and the ears are used for determining the passage of time and the orientation of the body.  Also muscle tone is affected.

If there is an activity that make you feel more physically and mentally tired than most people try pluggin your left ear to "shut down" the distraction.  We all develop coping strategies, so the activity that drains you most might be unique to you.  If plugging your left ear makes a positive difference in your energy and concentration, you would obviously benefit from Tomatis.

A listening test is usually included in the assessment before starting the therapy.  By pluggin your own ear you are making a weird and pragmatic "listening test" of your own.

Don't take my word for it; test yourself and learn about your particular situation.
Posted by: Joy, Monday, August 27, 2012, 5:22pm; Reply: 266
Paul,

Thanks for the explanation.  The body is so interconnected.  You're right I'm sure I did compensate when I was younger.

Joy
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Tuesday, February 19, 2013, 5:05pm; Reply: 267
Quoted Text
I think I know why your mother in law interrupted people constantly, when I'm talking to someone if something they say brings something to mind then I have to either say it almost immediately or I forget it. It's definitely rude to interrupt people, but sometimes it's the only way to participate in a conversation for people like us.


I can relate to this... a pattern in my family-- though my tendency toward this much less especially now. Have been doing the BTD for since the first book came out, and wheat is the one thing i don't do... well, maybe once a year?

I had never heard of this form of ADD, great thread, very helpful. Have to say most of the folks I know with a diagnosis of ADD are Os... some of them don't know their blood type.
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