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Posted by: farewell2fat, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:46pm
How can rice, rye, blueberries, bananas, mozzarella be good for someone who is an O and toxic if that same O is a Gatherer?????????

Doesn't the genotype diet render the BT diet unusable?

Aren't all the people following the BT diet just hurting their bodies?
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:51pm; Reply: 1
;D ;D ;D :D(shy)(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)(eek)(goofy)(think)(ok)(clap)......
you see... I justamente love my older BTD swami recommendations...but have to look into the menopausal book again....getting thaaat fat...isn't fine @ all ..... :'(......
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:54pm; Reply: 2
We had  4 blood types groups then we broke them down into 6 genotype groups so things will change.. then if you look at a  SWAMI it is totally individual.



Quote from Dr. D
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In BTD foods exist in singular relationships.

In GTD they often exist in relationship to other foods (easier seen with software, hence 'GenoHarmonic relationships')

When BTD was in formative stages, there was no knowledge of epigenetic relationships.

Someplace, a prior BTD value will usually carry over in a GenoType which has that blood type as an entry requirement.

You can lead horses to water, but you can't make them drink.

Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 4:23pm; Reply: 3
Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:

Blood type diet helps us make the best of the bodies that we have inherited, and to be as healthy as possible with the health or illness tendencies that we have.

Genotype diet re-programs our genes to express positive traits that may have been dormant for generations, and to tone down (suppress) traits that may have shown up as disease in our ancestors for generations.  This diet is designed to make deeper changes.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 4:53pm; Reply: 4
again
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2008/04/24/themes-and-skins?blog=24
people concerned with this issue have found Dr. D's Blog on themes helpful.
     Why is it that something that was bad is..

also read the monographs up at the store for your GT and others....
see how it all comes together....
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, June 27, 2009, 4:55pm; Reply: 5
might it be that lr4yt was def. a sort of intuitive grasp of truth and inspiration and that other issues can be realted to the need of sustain of other researchers..... so called *theories* of ??)... :X....
The swami program was all times very individual.... ;) ;D :D(clap)(ok)(dance).......ok I am not at all familiar with epigenteics.... and also my beloved teacher  Prof. Dr. G. Uhlenbruck was more than pleased with the program of Dr.D..... he, himself has created a program of only 5 types... until now I wasn't able to lurke into.... :o :-/ :B(disappointed)...would like have soooo much something to compare...

I am demanding myselve something different...(pick_nose)(blush)(wink)(clown).... all the infos given .... I can't relate to my own situation... I grew up in France and wasn't with my parents at all...how can be a program that predictive ??)There're some disagreements in psychological patterns.... I fear...
Sorry but now I must be honest.... the GTD-book is and was nothing
but deceptional to my own oppinion....why...coz lr4yt showed  the way that Dr.D. should have taken ...and not the implementation of
another group of researchers....I feel toughy ..... ok I'll stop here (evil)(evil)(evil)......

Perhaps am I wrong..... here... or justamente only too A- like fixing my own oppinions... or too....uninformed....if so... I apologize ... :B :K)....(geek)(cool)....but i promise to do my homework soon.... ;D 8)

one of my lady-teachers once told me... Isa take care of being or getting??) a sort of dogmatic...... I was sooooo upset about that
bla-bla's but today I only can say ...yep she's right ;)... :B :B...
btw... she tought me: Isa..... in life nothing that only contrary can be found :::: omG how right she was and still is... :B :D ;D 8) :K)..............similar to the situation Dr. D. was mentioning...to
find out....ough...sigh... so called..hypochonders....
(dizzy)(goofy)(whistle)(dizzy)(think)....here I also do struggle with my clients.... :B :o :-/...
(goofy)(whistle)(smarty)(ok)(clap)(geek)LOL(smartyp)(drool)(verymad)(funny)
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 5:05pm; Reply: 6
In my mind and in my experience, the GTD is a superior diet.  My body and my husband's body and all my children's bodies are very sensitive.  We've all done well on BTD, but GTD was even better.  It's more specific.  If you've got a lot of weight to lose or some serious health issues, GTD might be a better choice.

The way I see it is: yes, maybe Food X is bad for Os in general.....but, wait, taking into consideration these other factors (genotype), seems like SOME type Os can do Food X very well.  Maybe Food Y is great for As in general, but oh, wait, when you break the As into a couple of different categories, these As do well with Food Y, but not these other As.
Posted by: farewell2fat, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 6:16pm; Reply: 7

      "Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:"

But surely the client's goal is one and the same....to eat properly for good health. I understand that the programs are different, but it seems to me that the genotype diet renders the BT diet useless at best, and harmful at worst.

If an O trusts that rice, bananas and blueberries are okay from reading the BT info and eats them repeatedly, they are just poisoning themselves, no? So millions of people are trusting the BT diets, while they can in fact be harmful.

I could see if the genotype diet was just a more specific diet, but it SO conflicts with the BT diet. These programs are totally about what to ingest and what not to ingest. If one is blissfully following the BT diet, oblivious to the Genotype diet, trusting that they are at long last doing what is best for their body, it seems to me that they have been misled.

And what on earth is SWAMI?

I have a myriad of health issues and am disgusted with "doctors". I believed that I was finally on track, but now realize it's not so much of a track as a maze!

Perhaps I should go back to eating whatever and wait another 12 years until this whole system is resolved and reliable. :o I've wasted about $300 on food and supplements. Uh oh! Realization... are the supplements I'm taking also no longer appropriate? Deflect, Polyvite, etc.? Being 62, I'm running out of time.

One more thing:  Where does everyone find these interesting articles? And is it no longer possible to write to Dr. D'Adamo on this site?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 7:53pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from farewell2fat
But surely the client's goal is one and the same....to eat properly for good health. I understand that the programs are different, but it seems to me that the genotype diet renders the BT diet useless at best, and harmful at worst.


The BTD has benefited many people and will continue to benefit people.

It is not the ideal for 100% of the people in the world. No diet is. This includes the GTD, although I think many of the problems with GTD are from people selecting the wrong GenoType.

To find out whether GTD or BTD would better meet the needs of your particular health concerns take this online quiz:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm


Quoted from farewell2fat
And what on earth is SWAMI


It is a computer program that tailors a diet specific to an individuals need.  It combines elements of the BTD and GTD.  It is currently available from IFHI practitioners and Dr. D'Adamo's clinic. A limited version will soon be made available online for a fee.

Quoted from farewell2fat
I have a myriad of health issues and am disgusted with "doctors". I believed that I was finally on track, but now realize it's not so much of a track as a maze!


Your health history serves as input into the SWAMI program and it will Tailor a diet program that addresses these concerns.

Quoted from farewell2fat
I've wasted about $300 on food and supplements. Uh oh! Realization... are the supplements I'm taking also no longer appropriate? Deflect, Polyvite, etc.?


These should still be usable.

Lectins are a concern on either the GTD or BTD. So you can continue to use and benefit from Deflect.

Polyvite is a multivitamin.  It will continue to benefit you. When you reorder you may want to consider the GTD multivitamin, but use up the polyvite first.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GTMULTI%2DV

Quoted from farewell2fat
And is it no longer possible to write to Dr. D'Adamo on this site?


Dr. D'Adamo monitors the forums and answer when appropriate.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, June 27, 2009, 8:01pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from farewell2fat

    If an O trusts that rice, bananas and blueberries are okay from reading the BT info and eats them repeatedly, they are just poisoning themselves, no? So millions of people are trusting the BT diets, while they can in fact be harmful.

It's not a question of the BTD "poisoning" you. It's more that the BTD aligns you to your genes so that they won't "trigger" and cause disease and death. The GentoType diet actually changes your genes to prevent future genetic diseases.

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SWAMI  -  Serotyping With Amplification, Modification, Interpretation (although the choice of acronym is also "a lighthearted way of poking fun at all swamis and crystal ball gazers").


The SWAMI is a individualized program that you can get that includes your GenoType and a specialized menu for you..Either from the Clinic or from a program that's soon to be released for specialists.
Posted by: farewell2fat, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 10:06pm; Reply: 10
Thanks, everyone for your support.

I did the recommended test, and it came out Genotype Diet.

After these vitamins, I'll order the genotype ones.

Thanks again! Hope to SWAMI real soon.
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, June 27, 2009, 11:55pm; Reply: 11
What a few of us here have done with unusable supplements (if they haven't been opened--or maybe even if they have) is resell them to someone here on the forums who wants them.
Posted by: jeanb, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:21am; Reply: 12
The best way of explaining the 2 diets for me is the Blood Type helped stabilize certain health conditions like heavy periods, and hypothyroidism.  My health definitely improved and I experienced almost no colds or flu during the past 12 years.

I started the genotype diet seriously about 6 months ago.  My body shape has changed, and my skin has really changed for the better.  I had an achilles tendon surgery in April and when I last saw my surgeon, he said although I was at 2 months post surgery, my healing was more like 4 months.

My ability to exercise and recover is incredible.  I used to always suffer from post exercise muscle soreness and not anymore.  My stamina has increased.

My body is becoming harder and my once very chunky muscles seem to be more steamlined and my fat is slowly disappearing especially the back fat.

The genotype diet for me is a true refinement of the Blood Type diet.  Many people (like me) started the Blood Type diet because of health problems.  Most people improved, but I have a feeling that for many non secretors esp.  the addition of the Explorer and Gatherer diets really helped with metabolism issues.  

I wouldn't say your supplements are throw aways, I still take deflect religiously and my Teacher husband still likes his A packages.  I didn't start any of the genotype supplements until last month and I think they contributed to clearer skin.
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 28, 2009, 6:50am; Reply: 13
perhaps all a question of different approaches ??) ... :D(sunny)
Posted by: 5723 (Guest), Sunday, June 28, 2009, 8:52am; Reply: 14
Hi everyone, I am so glad for this thread!

I had been wondering for some time about tomatoes and Type A:
Of the three GT's for Type A (Teacher, Warrior, Explorer) I noticed that all of them have tomato listed as a black dot, however, in L4YT (BTD), it states that tomatoes for Type A are a "red flag".

I am referring to Andrea AWsec's post where she quotes from Dr. D about food in the BTD being individual and foods in the GTD as "having a relationship to eachother". I am thrilled 'cos of all the foods I miss most, its tomato - glad that I don't have to live without it forever - in moderation of course  :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 1:02pm; Reply: 15
On my SWAMi it is an avoid. So bye-bye forever to the tomato.

Fresh tomatoes effect me less then sauce, because the lectin is less concentrated.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:41pm; Reply: 16
Quoted Text
Fresh tomatoes effect me less then sauce, because the lectin is less concentrated.


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the tomato lectin is made stronger by cooking


both sentences have the same meaning! ;)
Posted by: cozzete, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 3:59pm; Reply: 17
I wonder if there are any 0 blood types who cannot ever have tomatos in the swami, esp. a gatherer who has tomatos as a diamond, as I remember from the btd that tomatos turn alkaline in 0's gut(meaning what regarding lectins in tomatos, i don't know). I've heard the lycopenes, if thats the right word, are much higher in canned tomatos as opposed to fresh ones.( Lycopenes are supposed to be a good thing.)

So the question is...any 0 gatherers on the swami who can't eat tomatos for whatever reason?
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:35pm; Reply: 18
Fresh tomatoes give less of a problem ( Fresh means tomato  raw).

Sauce is cooked concentrated more lectins per square inch so to say.

Fresh tomato gives me less of a problem then cooked.

  Never said Dr. D said any such thing.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 5:06pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from cozzete
I wonder if there are any 0 blood types who cannot ever have tomatos in the swami, esp. a gatherer who has tomatos as a diamond



I have no expertise on this subject, but as I recall the version of SWAMI for practitioners allows one to include chitinase allergies in the input and how strongly to weight this allergen.

If compounds associated with tomatoes were weighted as strong allergens, I would think it would be possible for an O SWAMI to designate tomatoes as an avoid.

I do not have access to the software to test this.



Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 5:13pm; Reply: 20
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any 0 blood types who cannot ever have tomatoes in the swami

right here! ;)
Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 28, 2009, 5:25pm; Reply: 21
it can be vice-versa ;) dearest Andrea... I've A-clients who support cooked tomatoe much better than raw....I think that all is about (as I once mentioned it...) ;) ... when the aggregate issues are changed...all changes.... :o ;D :D.....(shhh)(kewl)...that's why I always try to make people understand..how important it might be to get tested...equal of what kind of test you might say..ok ;) ;D....
Posted by: cozzete, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 5:32pm; Reply: 22
Lola: is there a known reason why you shouldn't eat tomatoes?
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 6:14pm; Reply: 23
as C mentioned above.....swami processes your personal physiological data, according to all the variables .
chitinase allergies is one
but there are other important aspects like Metabolotoxin (antimetabolite)
(Rutin Phenolics)
(Tyramine Phenolics)
(Glycotoxin)
(High Gallic acid concentration)
(Coumarin Phenolics)
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 11:13pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from C_Sharp



I have no expertise on this subject, but as I recall the version of SWAMI for practitioners allows one to include chitinase allergies in the input and how strongly to weight this allergen.

If compounds associated with tomatoes were weighted as strong allergens, I would think it would be possible for an O SWAMI to designate tomatoes as an avoid.

I do not have access to the software to test this.





The basic DDE filter kicks out the following vegetables as avoids for all blood types with a general chitinase filter (restrict):

Avocado
Potato, white with skin
Tomatillo
Tomato
Water chestnut, matai

The SWAMI should do something similar since the DDE is used in processing.
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, June 28, 2009, 11:38pm; Reply: 25
Tomato is a total avoid for me on SWAMI.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 29, 2009, 12:02am; Reply: 26

Ah found it!

A Dr D quote:

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It should also be remembered that tossing a tomato into your salad is not going to give you all that much lycopene. Tomatoes have a very high water content, so not surprisingly you only find high concentrations of lycopene in tomato paste. You also find large amounts of tomato lectin in tomato paste.

Posted by: mikeo, Monday, June 29, 2009, 12:11am; Reply: 27
foods (even O BTD foods) that slow down the gatherer metabolism ..enhance production of AGEs ...high glycemic foods are avoids for gatherers and foods that interfere with optimal hormone function...your 4 foods you mentioned are black dot avoids and I'm sure they fit the criteria above loosely and once your weight is optimal you can reintroduce them sporadically back into your diet...
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, June 29, 2009, 12:48am; Reply: 28
Quoted from Lola

both sentences have the same meaning! ;)


I had a SM...I guess I read it wrong... ::)  I deleted the post.. :B
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:14pm; Reply: 29
it might make sense if we'd try an approach of chlorphenoles and their
detoxing issues, dito proteomics and stress-factors...
(think)(goofy)LOL(whistle)...human HR60 and metaoblic symptoms....even their changes after treatments... and so on....  :D :D :D ;D
I think I've lurked out a gem here ;) ;D....,oooh...aaahh...sorry....
will (shhh)(think)(dizzy)(whistle)shut up instantly.... :B(nerd)(hehe)(kewl)(book2)(dance)
Posted by: nowishow, Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:54pm; Reply: 30
I think that the BTD is still very valid. I think it's a great place to start getting healthier and finding out how to eat better.

I'm really glad I did that diet for 10 years before I started the GTD. It helped me so much and was much easier to follow. But now I'm really enjoying the benefits I'm getting from this new diet. Maybe in 5 years I'll be ready for the Dr.'s next book.  ;D  
Posted by: kauaian, Monday, June 29, 2009, 10:13pm; Reply: 31
I just want to make a comment on BTD.  I find it so hard to believe that people w/ autoimmune diseases refuse to look @ the diet connection.  I have been trying to let people know about my story on one of the forums & am completely ignored except for 2 people that have actually tried different diets for their conditions.  I have given them the website but haven't had any questions after.  I just don't get it.  After I did my research on autoimmune disease, I started looking for a guide to help finding my food intolerances & BTD was the only one that made sense to me.  I have given up going to that site.  :(
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 29, 2009, 10:18pm; Reply: 32
good for you!
it shows you are curious, like the majority of members  in this community! ;)
Posted by: Eric, Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:24am; Reply: 33
Quoted from nowishow
Maybe in 5 years I'll be ready for the Dr.'s next book.  ;D  


I really think if he has another book, it won't be "eat this if you're this" but more of an autobiography, a book of testimonials, a book of scientific research, etc.  But that's just IMO!  SWAMI pretty much takes care of all the variations that are available!
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 11:39am; Reply: 34
Quoted from farewell2fat
How can rice, rye, blueberries, bananas, mozzarella be good for someone who is an O and toxic if that same O is a Gatherer?????????

Doesn't the genotype diet render the BT diet unusable?

Aren't all the people following the BT diet just hurting their bodies?


The BTD is a single food 'value' system. The GTD is a multi-food 'relationship' system. They both work in their own way.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 11:41am; Reply: 35
Quoted from kauaian
I just want to make a comment on BTD.  I find it so hard to believe that people w/ autoimmune diseases refuse to look @ the diet connection.  I have been trying to let people know about my story on one of the forums & am completely ignored except for 2 people that have actually tried different diets for their conditions.  I have given them the website but haven't had any questions after.  I just don't get it.  After I did my research on autoimmune disease, I started looking for a guide to help finding my food intolerances & BTD was the only one that made sense to me.  I have given up going to that site.  :(

Some people define themselves by their disease :'( :'(. Lose your disease lose your identity.


Posted by: Debra+, Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 11:48am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Some people define themselves by their disease :'( :'(. Lose your disease lose your identity.


Exactly!!!! ::) ;) :K)

Debra :)

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 1:02pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from nowishow
. Maybe in 5 years I'll be ready for the Dr.'s next book.  

He said at the conference he's done writing books. Hope he changes his mind... ;) :)

(That's ok Dr. D..just give me the info and I'll write it for you... :K)  )

Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:45pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Dr. D


The BTD is a single food 'value' system. The GTD is a multi-food 'relationship' system. They both work in their own way.


I think that's why on the GTD I can eat dairy and wheat with no reaction, whereas on BTD I couldn't.  Something about that combination of foods healed my body.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 5:29pm; Reply: 39
sorry...  :o :o :o :o that shows me absolutamente how our beliefs will
work....by identifications...!!!!!
In naturopathic medicin we know todays that several issues with foodintolerances might or will happen...when leaving alone for some weeks ...or even months.... hey I do remember I am not at all a so called epigentic specialist.... but here I think that it was merely the time of *no-consomation of those foods* wich  might have been da culprit...or da solution to get healed from.... :D ;D :K)...

btw... unfortunately Debra is right here dito Andrea Aw...we call those issues psychosomatics ;)....yes...yesss...yesssssss..Peppy is still going to kill me for that statement...woohooo .. :B ;D ;D once upon the times...            I do have a lot of time....(scared)(funny)(funny)
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 4:44pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Victoria
Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:

Blood type diet helps us make the best of the bodies that we have inherited, and to be as healthy as possible with the health or illness tendencies that we have.

Genotype diet re-programs our genes to express positive traits that may have been dormant for generations, and to tone down (suppress) traits that may have shown up as disease in our ancestors for generations.  This diet is designed to make deeper changes.

Duuuuuuuude:  your post is great.
Posted by: Peppermint Twist, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 4:55pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from 815
He said at the conference he's done writing books.

:o  WHAT?

Is Yoko Ono somehow involved in this?   >:(

Oh, man.

...Well, maybe he said that in a fit of pique.  ...Then again, the GTD was a magnum opus.  What does one do after one's magnum opus?  ...I don't see why one couldn't do "Magnum Opus II:  The Untold Story"!

I live in hope.

Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 7:45pm; Reply: 42
;) ;D
Posted by: kauaian, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:01pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Amazone I.
sorry...  :o :o :o :o that shows me absolutamente how our beliefs will
work....by identifications...!!!!!
In naturopathic medicin we know todays that several issues with foodintolerances might or will happen...when leaving alone for some weeks ...or even months.... hey I do remember I am not at all a so called epigentic specialist.... but here I think that it was merely the time of *no-consomation of those foods* wich  might have been da culprit...or da solution to get healed from.... :D ;D :K)...

btw... unfortunately Debra is right here dito Andrea Aw...we call those issues psychosomatics ;)....yes...yesss...yesssssss..Peppy is still going to kill me for that statement...woohooo .. :B ;D ;D once upon the times...            I do have a lot of time....(scared)(funny)(funny)


:o  Holy smokes I hope for their sake it's not the case ??)
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:10pm; Reply: 44
No, Isa, I can assure you it's physical.  I'd occasionally try (or accidentally ingest) wheat or dairy and it would tear me up.  I didn't WANT it to.  It was completely unexpected that I could eat it again without reaction.  It didn't have anything to do with mentally overcoming anything.  If that were the case, I'd be able to mentally overcome my nightshade allergy.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 8:18pm; Reply: 45
Genoharmonic foods are amazing!



I think the nature of books is changing. People will have kindles and download information from the internet, so who needs a paper book?
Oh, I know some will squirm about it.

Peter has a business to build now too! He has stores and products that will reach the masses. He has always been one to see the future and  adjust to it,  I think it is in his genes :) :).

Although the nonnies could use a book just for them, don't ya think?
Posted by: Debra+, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 9:51pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Although the nonnies could use a book just for them, don't ya think?



I TOTALLY agree with this idea. (clap)(clap)(dance)(dance)(woot)(woot)

But then again, I am a royal.   :D 8)

Debra :)
Posted by: Ribbit, Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 10:28pm; Reply: 47
I kind of felt like Live Right was just for us. ;)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, July 2, 2009, 11:48am; Reply: 48
Ribbit..it became my private bible ;) ;D ....(ok)(dance)(smarty)(book2)(sunny)
Posted by: 6131 (Guest), Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 7:53am; Reply: 49
What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.

Started my diet five days ago and feel no differences so far.  How long has it taken others before feeling better?
Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:42pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from 6131
What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.
Started my diet five days ago and feel no differences so far.  How long has it taken others before feeling better?


entangledhere, welcome to BTD and the forums!!
Yeah, it's all bizarre, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. :-)
Hang in there. Everyone is different. Within a week, my daily sinus and migraine headaches were gone. As time went on, everything else disappeared too. :-)
Do you have any particular health issues with which you are dealing?
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 2:48pm; Reply: 51
Not sure about the orange thing but string cheese has been discussed before.  The mozzarella that we can have is the REAL mozz., the unprocessed type, the little while balls.  String cheese is overly processed.
Jane
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:27pm; Reply: 52
My guess about the oj is this:  oranges are just oranges.  Orange juice is pasteurized and who knows what else.  It may be that process that renders it an avoid.
Posted by: Jane, Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:47pm; Reply: 53
My recollection from ER is that for O's it's an acid, alkaline thing.  Grapefruit juice, e.g. despite seeming more sour actually is more alkaline in O systems than OJ.  Funny thing is that I love "good" from the carton grapefruit juice.  Many many years ago when I was pregnant, OJ, even the thought of it made me nauseous.  Maybe the juicing exacerbates the acidity?????
Jane
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 4:53pm; Reply: 54
OJ has always made me terribly congested.  Oranges don't.  I just avoid them because they're on my avoid list.
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 5:20pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from Dr. D

The BTD is a single food 'value' system. The GTD is a multi-food 'relationship' system. They both work in their own way.


What I am wondering about is that a diamond food for a Teacher like buttermilk and goudacheeses, should be great for my system? I reintroduced this dairy when GTD came out. I had not been eating dairy for a period of 9 years... :o  After 2,5 month my kidneys starting complaining, pain in my back, flocking urine.
In short I felt miserable on buttermilk, gouda cheese and the other dairy. Are my genes not interacting with eachother? My genes do not feel the need to 'relate'?
I skipped the dairy again and kidney pain disappeared and urine cleared up after a few days.
I returned to soymilk, and goatcheese.. My system can cope with that much better than with cowdairy..

I do listen to my body but I still do not grasp that these 'diamond' foods gave me such misery...

If anyone feels the need the give me some clarification, I am grateful!

Cocky 8)

Posted by: italybound, Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 5:51pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from 547
... I still do not grasp that these 'diamond' foods gave me such misery...


Me too.  I specifically bought cranberry concentrate to use in the Flu concoction I was given. After trying to drink it a couple of times, I gave it up. It immediately gives me indigestion.  :-/    I need to have Swami done. Just don't know where or how yet.
Posted by: Ffantazsia, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 6:22am; Reply: 57
Quoted Text
What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.


Yes, that is weird and seems wrong.  String cheese IS mozzarella, isn't it?

What if you take whole oranges and make your own smoothie (not orange juice--use the whole fruit), is that okay?

I think he should address these apparant dicotomies.
Posted by: Dr. D, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:18pm; Reply: 58
Quoted Text
What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.


Occasional orange= low to low-moderate amount of polyamines.
10 oz orange juice very morning= high amount of polyamines.

Most sting cheese have avoid additions besides mozzarella.
Posted by: Amazone I., Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:22pm; Reply: 59
I thought it was also a question of fixing calcium..or not ??)...

Dr. Jean Valnet, the super swiss guy of aetheric oil use described it :
orange juice fixes ca- in the blood
P.D...justamente the contrary....


a question of dualitiy I guess ;)  ;D :K) :D
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 3:31pm; Reply: 60
Orange juice gives me acne and migraine headaches.. Not worth any calcium from it.  :P
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:45pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from Dr. D


Occasional orange= low to low-moderate amount of polyamines.
10 oz orange juice very morning= high amount of polyamines.

Most sting cheese have avoid additions besides mozzarella.


But so does all soy/almond cheese (that I've ever seen)!!!!!

So...does that mean if we can find string cheese that's ONLY mozzarella, with nothing else, I can feed it to my kids?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:48pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from 547
What I am wondering about is that a diamond food for a Teacher like buttermilk and goudacheeses, should be great for my system? ...
In short I felt miserable on buttermilk, gouda cheese and the other dairy. ...
I skipped the dairy again and kidney pain disappeared and urine cleared up after a few days. ...

If anyone feels the need the give me some clarification, I am grateful!


I do not know that this will happen in your case.

But I know a number of people that experienced problems with certain foods on the GenoType diet, found that when they did SWAMI these problematic "diamond" and "super" foods disappeared from their superfood list and were much lower rated.


Posted by: ABJoe, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 6:28pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from 547
What I am wondering about is that a diamond food for a Teacher like buttermilk and gouda cheeses, should be great for my system? I reintroduced this dairy when GTD came out. I had not been eating dairy for a period of 9 years... :o  After 2,5 month my kidneys starting complaining, pain in my back, flocking urine.
In short I felt miserable on buttermilk, gouda cheese and the other dairy. Are my genes not interacting with each other? My genes do not feel the need to 'relate'?
I skipped the dairy again and kidney pain disappeared and urine cleared up after a few days.
I returned to soymilk, and goatcheese.. My system can cope with that much better than with cowdairy..

I do listen to my body but I still do not grasp that these 'diamond' foods gave me such misery...

If anyone feels the need the give me some clarification, I am grateful!

Cocky 8)

As Dr. D says (paraphrased) in the start of the Genotype book, there are as many Genotypes as people...
You are correct to focus on what is working and remove what is not working...  Listening to your body is best.  

I was starting to modify my BTD before the GTD came about, so my diet was morphing very closely to what the GTD diet prescribes for me, but I can understand that not everyone will be the same.

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:54pm; Reply: 64
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2000/01/05/mozzarella-vs-ampquot-stringampquot-chee?blog=9
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 4:42pm; Reply: 65
perhaps does she deals with warrior-teacher shapements ;) ;D... :X ;D ;D
(hehe)(grin)...sorry couldn't resist.... :B :B
Posted by: Cristina, Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:29pm; Reply: 66
where do i find the meal plans refered to in the GEnotype diet book?  They say we can find them on this website.  But where?  Also, how do I start a thread in this forum? Thanks for your help.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:52pm; Reply: 67
What are you health problems that brought you to this diet/way of life?
How were you eating before?  What changes have you made?


Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, August 9, 2009, 7:00pm; Reply: 68
I think all the books list string cheese and mozzarella cheese separately, putting "string cheese" in the "avoid" group for everybody, just like "processed american cheese food." (the perfect thing to feed your pet cheese!  ;D )

I have to wonder if there are different kinds of string cheeses available, and some of them contain random additives that all of us should avoid.

Personally, I'd read the ingredients of the string cheese, and if it's just mozzarella cheese, treat it as mozzarella cheese. If it's a mixture of mozzarella and chedder, treat is as a mixture of those two cheeses (and only use it if both foods are acceptable for you.)  But be wary of random weird ingredients that might make it unhealthy.

Just today, I noticed that the pre-shredded cheese contains a chemical anti-fungal, plus corn starch and potato starch. I'm not sure how I didn't notice that when I first started  buying it about 2 months ago. But I didn't buy any more of the pre-shredded cheese- we'll go back to buying blocks of cheese and shredding it ourselves (after we use up the packaged stuff we already have in the house.) I'm wondering if the "avoid" status for string cheese is something similar.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:47pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from Cristina
where do i find the meal plans refered to in the GEnotype diet book?  They say we can find them on this website.


There once was a subscription web site at

http://www.genotypediet.com/

That site included a meal planner. But it cost $5 a week (or $65 per quarter since you paid quarterly). The site no longer charges, but some features have been dropped including the meal planner. Many of us who tried the menu planner found it had some problems. I ended up not using it because of the problems.

That meal planner is no longer available.

There is a new menu planner that is part of the SWAMI Xpress package. SWAMI Xpress is $69.95 and includes many things other than the meal planner.  And you only pay once and not over and over again. More info at:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070

I briefly tested the new meal planer. I did not discover any problems.  But I am not using it since it does not fit with my current lifestyle.  I eat what my garden produces that day and ignore any preset plan.



Posted by: Lola, Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:52pm; Reply: 70
http://www.genotypediet.com/GTD_recipes.htm
build your own plan with the help of all the recipes available!
Posted by: 6450 (Guest), Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:15pm; Reply: 71
I am so confused. EVERY test I take, I am a Warrior.  However, the foods that it tells me to eat could kill me (eventually). I have Celiac Disease (gluten allergy - need to avoid wheat, rye, barely, malt and any form thereof), AND I am allergic to fish and seafood.  It also says that I should be tall and lean and an egg head. I'm 5'0 tall, and thick.  I've always been on the thicker side, and I have the meocephalic (average) head.  I don't get it.  I'm not sure if this will work for me.
Posted by: Eric, Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:56pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Dr. D
Occasional orange= low to low-moderate amount of polyamines.
10 oz orange juice every morning= high amount of polyamines.


Kind of like tomatoes and lycopene vs. lectins

I wonder if this means we don't have to freak out about "orange peel" as an ingredient in our favorite herbal tea anymore :)
Posted by: 6517 (Guest), Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:36pm; Reply: 73
Hello.  I am a type B+.  I recently found out I am a non-secretor.  So now I am doing the geno type diet.  I am equal in Gatherer and Nomad.  Now what do I do? :o
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:43pm; Reply: 74
Here is the first thing you can do (since it is easy):

Add a blood type shield to your profile.

how to:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:49pm; Reply: 75
After you add the shield you should probably figure out whether you are a Gatherer or Nomad.

You need to determine which you are before you can really follow the GenoType diet.

There is a lot of material on this site to assist you in choosing your GenoType. If you look at the old threads you will probably find others who have worked through whatever questions you might have on determining a GenoType.

Also there are handy videos at:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=GenoType+Diet&search_type=&aq=f


Posted by: Chandon, Sunday, August 23, 2009, 10:07pm; Reply: 76
Quoted from 6450
I am so confused. EVERY test I take, I am a Warrior.  However, the foods that it tells me to eat could kill me (eventually). I have Celiac Disease (gluten allergy - need to avoid wheat, rye, barely, malt and any form thereof),


If we know we have an allergy or a food intolerance like celiac, we should avoid those things. I avoid gluten-containing grains/foods. I have been avoiding oats for a long time, but I think I will try out Bob's Red Mill's gluten-free oats. If I react, then I'll give them to my husband to eat.

Posted by: Sharon, Sunday, August 23, 2009, 10:09pm; Reply: 77
Quoted from 6131
What about bizarre Gatherer laws like: no orange juice, but you can have oranges & no string cheese but you can have mozzarella.  Entirely confusing.

Started my diet five days ago and feel no differences so far.  How long has it taken others before feeling better?


Orange juice takes away the fiber so it might have different values. String cheese is different from mozzarella because it is highly packaged and different cultures and molds are used to produce string cheese.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, August 24, 2009, 2:19am; Reply: 78
great!
get a swami and input all your measurements and let the program compute your GT!
welcome!
Posted by: glamour, Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:43pm; Reply: 79
I was just looking at the recipes from the link that was posted on the genotype site. So what is the black dot ingredient for? Does that mean the food is good for you or you should avoid. I'm thinking it's avoid but want to be sure.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:05pm; Reply: 80
consider it an occasional neutral, once your genes have reset.....and you have lost the excess weight.
Posted by: Azure Agony, Friday, May 14, 2010, 11:02am; Reply: 81
For me, the Genotype is a fair bit more accurate than the Blood Type, with regard to compatibility with foods. There was the odd item, though not many at all, in the Blood Type where I wasn't sure if they quite fitted with the rest of it. Rye bread is a perfect example. I used to be quite a bit of pain at work until by chance I just cut it out by simple deduction. When I read the Genotype book rye was a no - no. I smiled.  :)
Posted by: Leanne, Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:27am; Reply: 82
"Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:

Blood type diet helps us make the best of the bodies that we have inherited, and to be as healthy as possible with the health or illness tendencies that we have.

Genotype diet re-programs our genes to express positive traits that may have been dormant for generations, and to tone down (suppress) traits that may have shown up as disease in our ancestors for generations.  This diet is designed to make deeper changes."


I read this quote from page two of this thread and found it interesting.  I've struggled with GTD for two years now.  Not in eating according to the diet but rather understanding it.  
On BTD I felt IMMEDIATE changes.  Within three days the constant runny nose that I'd had for over 15 years was gone!  However, switching to GTD I've felt nothing.  NOTHING!  Are you supposed to feel anything?  Are the changes so deep you won't notice it until your 90 years old and healthy as a horse?  
Switching from BTD to GTD took things away that I didn't think needed to be taken away.  Very little changed, actually, from eating as an O non-secretor to eating as a Hunter.  So perhaps I'm not expected to feel anything.
I stopped eating Iceberg lettuce and switched to Romaine, took out spinach, the seasonal cherries and that's about it.  I reckon that not much will change from just three items.   ::)
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:55am; Reply: 83
That is the uniqueness within us all.  Your diet was almost OK for your type, the minor changes are making a deeper difference for you to enjoy even without noticing it!!! Enjoy it!!   ;D :) ;) :) :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, May 17, 2010, 3:57am; Reply: 84
if you feel you need yet more changes, health wise, you might now want to try a swami

if you are pleased with the changes BT now GT have already given you, it means you fit the basic BTD program, the way Dr D designed it from the start......I see nothing wrong with that, on the contrary! sounds great! :)
Posted by: Leanne, Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:45pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from Lola
if you feel you need yet more changes, health wise, you might now want to try a swami

if you are pleased with the changes BT now GT have already given you, it means you fit the basic BTD program, the way Dr D designed it from the start......I see nothing wrong with that, on the contrary! sounds great! :)


I feel really good for the most part.  Doing the non-secreter diet for O's made the final difference for me.  
Avocados are something of a question.  I use to love them on BTD because they were highly beneficial on the non-secreter diet.  But on GTD they became a complete avoid, not even a black dot.  I was greatly disappointed because I dearly love avocados.  
But I discontinued eating them anyhow.  Now when I eat them I wonder if it's a neutral for me.  Because they don't make me feel bad yet I don't feel good either.  
My husband and I are hoping to be able to do a SWAMI before the year is out.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, May 17, 2010, 2:55pm; Reply: 86
I did far worse on the GTD than on the BTD. When I had my SWAMI done, it ended up with mostly O foods, with a few Gatherer adjustments. Chicken and turkey are both neutral for Os, turkey's beneficial and chicken's an avoid for Gatherers; I kept the O neutral value for chicken but gained the GTD Beneficial value for turkey. I had a lot of subtle adjustments like that.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 2:03pm; Reply: 87
WHERE DID I EVER GET the idea that chicken was a no for 'o's???
Posted by: tnahowru, Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:40pm; Reply: 88
Chicken is a No for Os. I can only have turkey, which is a superfood.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 1:56am; Reply: 89
swami gave me back things that BTD had taken away. Interesting note, I had not paid attention to all the details of swami when I had a few red pepper flakes in a curry dish. I thought, oh well I know it's an avoid but it's too late now, however, I did not have a bad reaction to them (as I had in the past). Come to find out, swami gives me red pepper flakes as a black dot.
Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 3:02am; Reply: 90
Still, I will only have it as a last unavoidable alternative ... like when eating out and there is nothing else available ... ;)
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 3:14am; Reply: 91
Quoted from Goldie
WHERE DID I EVER GET the idea that chicken was a no for 'o's???
Umm it's neutral for 0's but on GTD only "ok" for Hunters... :-/ ??)

Posted by: MileHighRob, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 3:30am; Reply: 92
Quoted from Andrea AWsec

Some people define themselves by their disease :'( :'(. Lose your disease lose your identity.

Love that... Very profoundly put!
Posted by: deblynn3, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 3:58am; Reply: 93
In geno book chicken is a black dot for Gatherers. and ben. for hunters, neutral for explorer

neutral for Os in ERbook
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 5:50am; Reply: 94
Quoted Text
Lose your disease lose your identity.


nothing left to complain about.....
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 6:57am; Reply: 95
Lose your disease, lose your identity.

Great quote.  ;)

How about also, loose your disease by remembering your identity?
:)
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:04am; Reply: 96
perhaps does this fit as well... try to remember "who you really are"..*.not this nor that...neither him nor her's....*   ;) ;D ;D,,,,, the self is free of any identifications...so far so well (wiseman)(whistle)(smarty)
Posted by: AKArtlover, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:13am; Reply: 97
Quoted from Amazone I.
try to remember "who you really are"..


try implies failure. no try only do.  ;)

who you really are is label less. agreed. ;)



Posted by: Cristina, Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:29am; Reply: 98
AkA, I love your wisdom!! :)
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:04pm; Reply: 99
Got a question.

Probably asked a bazillion times. I am AB, which typically leans towards Nomad, Warrior, Explorer, Teacher. Well, I tested out undeniably at Gatherer.

Did I possibly do something wrong?
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:56pm; Reply: 100
yesssssssssssssssssssss ;D ;D ;D


yapperdapperdooo I'm no:  100 ;) ;D...(goofy)(whistle)(smarty)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:08pm; Reply: 101
Quoted from bizzyboppers
Got a question.

Probably asked a bazillion times. I am AB, which typically leans towards Nomad, Warrior, Explorer, Teacher. Well, I tested out undeniably at Gatherer.

Did I possibly do something wrong?


AB's can only be a Warrior, an Explorer or a Nomad  Only O's can be a Gatherer. and A's a Teacher  :)
Posted by: ABJoe, Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:20pm; Reply: 102
Quoted from 815
AB's can only be a Warrior, an Explorer or a Nomad  Only O's can be a Gatherer. and A's a Teacher  :)

Sorry to disagree - but blood type AB can be Teacher per page 292, 293, & 295 of the Genotype Book.

bizzyboppers,
Did you use the Advanced Calculator tables in the back of The Genotype Book?  
If so, you'll need to look closer at blood type because there is no possible way to read Gatherer from a type AB position.

I remember a typo in the Change Your Genetic Destiny book, but don't remember exactly what it was.
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:29pm; Reply: 103
Quoted from ABJoe

I remember a typo in the Change Your Genetic Destiny book, but don't remember exactly what it was.


Pg 93  for type A had gatherer should have been teacher. This Intermediate calculator.  under your ring finger are longer than your index finger on both hands
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:57pm; Reply: 104
Quoted from ABJoe

Sorry to disagree - but blood type AB can be Teacher per page 292, 293, & 295 of the Genotype Book.


Wow, I'll have to re read that.. I never saw an AB Teacher..have you?  The newly printed books have some typos..
Posted by: Chloe, Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 8:02pm; Reply: 105
Quoted from 815


Wow, I'll have to re read that.. I never saw an AB Teacher..have you?  The newly printed books have some typos..


So, that means that ABs can be one of 4 genotypes?  Doesn't make sense.  The rest of the
blood types can only be one of 3 genotypes.
Posted by: DenverFoodie, Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 8:05pm; Reply: 106
Quoted from Amazone I.
perhaps does this fit as well... try to remember "who you really are"..*.not this nor that...neither him nor her's....*   ;) ;D ;D,,,,, the self is free of any identifications...so far so well (wiseman)(whistle)(smarty)


You are who you are being!   ;)
Posted by: deblynn3, Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 8:10pm; Reply: 107
Quoted from Chloe


So, that means that ABs can be one of 4 genotypes?  Doesn't make sense.  The rest of the
blood types can only be one of 3 genotypes.


Makes sense to me. ABs a combo of A and B.
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 8:11pm; Reply: 108
ahem...yep... we are the one we're becoming......... :X(smarty)(goofy)LOL(shrug)(funny)
Posted by: kauaian, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 1:08am; Reply: 109
Quoted from Goldie
WHERE DID I EVER GET the idea that chicken was a no for 'o's???


Maybe because it is blk dot for Gatherers?
Posted by: kauaian, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 1:11am; Reply: 110
Quoted from tnahowru
Chicken is a No for Os. I can only have turkey, which is a superfood.


Did I not see chicken as beneficial on Hunter?
Posted by: 10111 (Guest), Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:04am; Reply: 111
Chicken is a super beneficial for an O hunter without reguards to secretor status.
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 2:47pm; Reply: 112
OOOOKK! LOL

I feel like such a boob. I don't know what I did, or how I did it..but hubby and I went through the genotype book and both he and I are different genotypes. I used the genotype kit thinking...harder? must be better! Um, no. The genotype book is super-dee-duper easier than the kit. It breaks down the genotypes on the charts so much simpler!

Hubby is an O+Gatherer. I am an AB- Nomad. I could not wrap myself around the Gatherer thing even though my kit test came out so undeniably Gatherer....but the book contradicted. Even just using the charts in the back and having it tell me I am a Nomad....wow, what a stress reliever! Haha! I can't explain it, it just feels right! We even figured out DD is a B+ Nomad.

Now just have to wait for blood typing kit to reach us to find out what DS is. We have all the measurements, etc...now just need the last bit of info. He will either be a Gatherer, Teacher, Explorer or Nomad based on measurements. DH and I are rooting for Gatherer or Nomad, of course. It would just make life so much easier to have him on a similar path as one of the two of us. He's the pickiest eater EVER!
Posted by: battle dwarf, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 2:57pm; Reply: 113
you havn't got his blood type then? he can onlt be a gatherer if he is an o and as you are an ab it is more likly he is a,b, or ab. there are one or two b gatherers on the sight but they are very rare.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:11pm; Reply: 114
As mentioned above, only O or B can be gatherer. (oh those lucky Nomads! they have the good foods!)
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:14pm; Reply: 115
Quoted from Chloe
So, that means that ABs can be one of 4 genotypes?  Doesn't make sense.  The rest of the blood types can only be one of 3 genotypes.

We're SPECIAL!!! ;D   :K)   ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:19pm; Reply: 116
Quoted from bizzyboppers
Now just have to wait for blood typing kit to reach us to find out what DS is. We have all the measurements, etc...now just need the last bit of info. He will either be a Gatherer, Teacher, Explorer or Nomad based on measurements. DH and I are rooting for Gatherer or Nomad, of course. It would just make life so much easier to have him on a similar path as one of the two of us. He's the pickiest eater EVER!

DS has to be either Ao or Bo.  He can't be O as you didn't have the O allele to provide and he can not be AB, since your Hub could only pass a recessive O allele.  this reduces your choices to 2...
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:20pm; Reply: 117
Quoted from battle dwarf
you havn't got his blood type then? he can onlt be a gatherer if he is an o and as you are an ab it is more likly he is a,b, or ab. there are one or two b gatherers on the sight but they are very rare.


Nope, no blood type yet. When my DD was born, they just gave me her blood type. When my DS was born, they didn't. I haven't been able to find it in any of his paperwork. Honestly, it bothered me, but not enough to have him typed. He's 13 now. It's time AND we want him on a food plan. He's not fat, but he's got big bones and he's getting tall. He's 5'6" already. His dad's only 6' and he didn't grow till late in high school/beginning of college. And he has a pudge to his belly that he's always had. He's prone to migraines and nervous ticks and he's always been a big bread/meat/dairy consumer. So, I'm praying he's not an A. Anything else would be better. I will never get him to eat the needed vegetables and proteins. Never.
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:21pm; Reply: 118
Quoted from ABJoe

We're SPECIAL!!! ;D   :K)   ;)


That's why we're called the Enigma, right?
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:21pm; Reply: 119
Quoted from ABJoe

DS has to be either Ao or Bo.  He can't be O as you didn't have the O allele to provide and he can not be AB, since your Hub could only pass a recessive O allele.  this reduces your choices to 2...


COME ON B!!!!
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:42pm; Reply: 120
Quoted from bizzyboppers
OOOOKK! LOL

Hubby is an O+Gatherer. I am an AB- Nomad. I could not wrap myself around the Gatherer thing even though my kit test came out so undeniably Gatherer....but the book contradicted. Even just using the charts in the back and having it tell me I am a Nomad....wow, what a stress reliever! Haha! I can't explain it, it just feels right! We even figured out DD is a B+ Nomad.

Now just have to wait for blood typing kit to reach us to find out what DS is. We have all the measurements, etc...now just need the last bit of info. He will either be a Gatherer, Teacher, Explorer or Nomad based on measurements. DH and I are rooting for Gatherer or Nomad, of course. It would just make life so much easier to have him on a similar path as one of the two of us. He's the pickiest eater EVER!


Ok, Your husband cannot be a Teacher or Nomad if he's an O. That one I DO know.!. :) ;)
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 4:23pm; Reply: 121
Quoted from 815


Ok, Your husband cannot be a Teacher or Nomad if he's an O. That one I DO know.!. :) ;)

She said her husband is an O+ Gatherer...  The question is about her son, and she is waiting on the typing test to determine his BT...
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, July 22, 2010, 4:26pm; Reply: 122
Quoted from bizzyboppers


That's why we're called the Enigma, right?


Probably part of it, anyway...

PS - Looks like your ticker is moving down... Good work!
Posted by: Lola, Friday, July 23, 2010, 3:56am; Reply: 123
kids are still growing so you could just have them follow their basic BTD, until old enough to measure
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Monday, July 26, 2010, 7:29pm; Reply: 124
Update on son:

We finally got the blood typing kit in the mail that I needed for finding out T's blood type. My son can be a bit of a wuss. If there is even the faintest whisper of the prospect of pain, he wants out. And blood? Fuhgetaboutit! So! Here we are reading the instructions and prepping the finger for the little automatic lancet that comes in the kit. I've got the card all prepped and ready to go for some blood. I take hold of his hand and he starts doing the little tug thing trying to anticipate when the lancet is going to get him. He's wiggling too much to get it done, so DH has to come over and hold his arm totally still so I can do this (he's 13, btw). Well, I lance his finger and he freaks out till he figures out it didn't hurt at all. So, haha, we're all having a great laugh over this. I'm squeezing his finger to get the blood to flow, he's freaking out that "You have enough Mom! That's my blood!" and I'm having trouble getting it on the little applicator to put it into the solution on the card. Well, I finally got it on there and stirred and all that...while my son is saying "Can somebody please get me a bandaid? I'm bleeding here!" My husband and son are off to the side tending to the "wound" and I'm looking at the blood just praying that he's not an "A" blood type...and suddenly T says really loud "I feel really light-headed!"

WHAM!!!! He hit the floor like a ton of bricks! Yes, my baby boy fainted. At first I thought he was faking, but then he didn't wake up, and didn't wake up. He was out for about 20-30 seconds. His sister was laughing like a fool. Her friend is scolding her for it. DH is leaning over T trying to get him to wake up. And I'm sitting there watching to make sure he's not faking. I am such a bad mom!!! He woke up and we got him in a chair and he had time to get over it and absorb it and then it was the funny story he was telling everyone for the rest of the weekend! He happens to be B+ and measures out to be a Nomad, like DD and I.

Yay...no A!!
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Monday, July 26, 2010, 7:33pm; Reply: 125
Quoted from ABJoe

PS - Looks like your ticker is moving down... Good work!


Thanks. I can feel a difference already.
Posted by: Victoria, Monday, July 26, 2010, 8:16pm; Reply: 126
Quoted from bizzyboppers
Update on son:

WHAM!!!! He hit the floor like a ton of bricks! Yes, my baby boy fainted. At first I thought he was faking, but then he didn't wake up, and didn't wake up. He was out for about 20-30 seconds. . . . He happens to be B+ and measures out to be a Nomad, like DD and I.


Makes me wonder if it's a B thing or a Nomad thing.  :-)  I passed out whenever I had needles piercing my skin, for more than 1/2 my life!
Posted by: bizzyboppers, Monday, July 26, 2010, 8:37pm; Reply: 127
Quoted from Victoria


Makes me wonder if it's a B thing or a Nomad thing.  :-)  I passed out whenever I had needles piercing my skin, for more than 1/2 my life!


I think the last time he ever got poked was when he was little. Maybe not? I don't remember.  But, he always has been a very woozy boy when it comes to his blood specifically.
Posted by: sOphia, Saturday, September 18, 2010, 10:31pm; Reply: 128
My husband and I have just done the testing from the book.
I came out as mildly positive Gatherer and I'm O+.  Husband doesn't know his blood type so with the other measurement testing he has scored an even 14 for Explorer, Gatherer and Nomad.  He thinks he leans towards Explorer more.
I thought I would be a Gatherer from reading the write up as I tend to a thrifty nature and collect things... as I have already been on the BTD many of the typical Gatherer physical make up parts don't match me as I'm already in shape.
While it's good to have finished the tests I am now feeling like the person who started this thread.  After doing the BTD for at least a year and a half and getting good results I am looking at the foods I have been indulging in thinking they were beneficial and all of a sudden some are poison.  Noone at the start of the thread actually explained that well, the responses are just sort of shrug your shoulders and choose to stick with BTD or not, it's up to me.  But if one takes the viewpoint that Dr D knows what he's talking about, how can he suddenly say I shouldn't be eating prunes and plums that were previously highly beneficial?  What should I believe?  It's enough to make me drop both books to be honest.  Other than that I think I could try and be safe by eating only the foods that both have in common but that would be quite restrictive indeed.
Posted by: ABJoe, Saturday, September 18, 2010, 11:28pm; Reply: 129
Did you take "which diet is right" test?  
http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

The two diets focus on different benefits, so it makes some sense that the foods will be changed...
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 12:42am; Reply: 130
Quoted from sOphia
But if one takes the viewpoint that Dr D knows what he's talking about, how can he suddenly say I shouldn't be eating prunes and plums that were previously highly beneficial?  What should I believe?  It's enough to make me drop both books to be honest.  Other than that I think I could try and be safe by eating only the foods that both have in common but that would be quite restrictive indeed.


Two different systems.

Two different methodologies.

No reason to expect that a particular food will be rated the same by the different systems.

Choose one system follow it. Ignore ratings in the system you are not using.

Posted by: sOphia, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 1:12am; Reply: 131
What you both say makes sense, I hadn't thought of them as different ratings systems.  

ABJoe, I took the test before reading the Genotype book and it said Genotype.  When I discovered the BTD I didn't know about the other one.

It shouldn't be too difficult to tweak my foods now as I have 95% given up wheat, corn and potato except for the odd treat.  I think these were the key factors to a constant low weight for me.  The thing that really hit home as being 'me' was the statement about Gatherers being frequently in a state of hypoglaecemia, when I am not careful about what goes in, this is what happens to me.  Seeing it as a label for something common to my type makes me feel not so alone in fixing it.   :)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 4:11am; Reply: 132
Quoted Text
how can he suddenly say I shouldn't be eating prunes and plums that were previously highly beneficial?  


gtd explained.....science behind....tests research food values
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/03/27/hows-and-whys?blog=24
hows and whys
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 4:29am; Reply: 133
until you find out your hubs blood type, you can t make assumptions as to his GT!! ;)
Posted by: sOphia, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 8:17pm; Reply: 134
believe me, I have told him this.   ::)

thanks for the other link to read
Posted by: sOphia, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 8:48pm; Reply: 135
I have another question: much of the fruit on the gatherer superfood list are either unavailable at this time of year or are very poor quality/unripe/won't ripen and not good to eat.  How close to being helpful is a tinned apricot compared to a live one health-wise?  Would a good quality black dot fruit be better than a tinned superfood?  I can get lots of yummy apples, I had been eating 2 a day on the BTD and feeling good about getting all that fruit into me.
Posted by: ABJoe, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 9:03pm; Reply: 136
Quoted from sOphia
How close to being helpful is a tinned apricot compared to a live one health-wise?  Would a good quality black dot fruit be better than a tinned superfood?

The only thing a canned fruit will not have that a fresh one will is the enzymes that are killed during the canning process.  

You need to watch the canned ones for things added, however.  They may be canned in a light sugar syrup, or fruit juice (depending on the compliance), or heavy syrup or corn syrup infused syrup...  Obviously, you need to make the choice about whether to buy / eat these...
Posted by: C_Sharp, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 9:09pm; Reply: 137
On canned apricots:

Look at the ingredient list.  If the ingredients are okay than the food is fine to eat.

I certainly would eat canned superfoods before using black dots, particularly if not through the flush out period.

Once through the flush out period, I think one should limit black dots to limited quantities occasionally.

I do not try to limit canned superfoods, but I prefer fresh organic produce from my local farmer's market.  
Posted by: sOphia, Sunday, September 19, 2010, 11:48pm; Reply: 138
Thanks to both for the advice.  Roll on shopping day!!
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:27am; Reply: 139
Agree with C# and maybe if I still have problems getting my load of fresh enzymes I will supplement with something like 'LiveCell' from NAP.  You are lucky, you have your NZ distributor there handy and there are some very friendly Possums to lend a hand usually nearby too!!   ;D :)
Posted by: Possum, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:44am; Reply: 140
Some?? ;D ;)
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:49am; Reply: 141
Well, this one has the peculiarity of springing into action when most needed and I heard rumors that it will soon spring overseas ...  ;D  very loved, sought after and welcome Possum!!! ;) :)
Posted by: Possum, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:57am; Reply: 142
Awww ;) Cheers!!! :) I'll try to spring your way one of these days...

Where are you from sOphia? North or South Island?
Posted by: sOphia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:35am; Reply: 143
hello Possum, I'm in Auckland, will update my avatar.
I was very happy to read that chocolate is a superfood.   :D
Posted by: sOphia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:39am; Reply: 144
Quoted from Cristina
Agree with C# and maybe if I still have problems getting my load of fresh enzymes I will supplement with something like 'LiveCell' from NAP.  You are lucky, you have your NZ distributor there handy and there are some very friendly Possums to lend a hand usually nearby too!!   ;D :)

I used the supplement advisor and ticked a bunch of stuff and it came back with quite a few different ones.  Is LiveCell a good all rounder?  I don't want to have to take a pill every day, I want to get the goodness required from the food I eat, but if I had to choose I'd want something basic.


Posted by: Lola, Monday, September 20, 2010, 6:13am; Reply: 145
I enjoy live cell and polyflora first thing in the morning, with fresh water to help hydrolysis
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, September 20, 2010, 9:32am; Reply: 146
Quoted from sOphia

... Is LiveCell a good all rounder?  I don't want to have to take a pill every day, I want to get the goodness required from the food I eat, ...


But when you cannot get the food you need for your type, do not think of these supps as such, think of them as food, to feel the void you will otherwise have ... Always aim for getting the best out of your food, that is what we recommend here ... but rather than go without the proper food, use blood type specific supps ... that is my way of looking at it ....  :)

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Monday, September 20, 2010, 5:38pm; Reply: 147
Quoted from sOphia
I have another question: much of the fruit on the gatherer superfood list are either unavailable at this time of year or are very poor quality/unripe/won't ripen and not good to eat.  How close to being helpful is a tinned apricot compared to a live one health-wise?  Would a good quality black dot fruit be better than a tinned superfood?  I can get lots of yummy apples, I had been eating 2 a day on the BTD and feeling good about getting all that fruit into me.


If the tinned apricots just contain apricots and apricot juice, or apricots and the juice of a neutral fruit, then the can is probably better. But if the can contains the juice of a black dot or an "avoid" fruit, or another avoid such as corn syrup, then it's simply not a food you should be eating.

Besides canned fruits, you can also find many varieties of "out of season" fruits frozen (to make into smoothies or to bake with), dried (be wary of additives), and as juice (be careful with portion sizes; preferably dilute in water or green tea.)

I think you're better off eating "no fruits" than eating avoids or black dots regularly. But please keep in mind that the GTD book only lists beneficials and avoids; unlisted foods are neutral and are fine to eat.

Here's how I would select fruits, in order of preference:

1) beneficial fruits, fresh and in season
2) beneficial dried, frozen, juiced, or canned fruit that contains no bad ingredients
2) neutral fruits, fresh and in season
3) neutral fruits, dried, frozen, juiced, or canned without bad ingredients
4) no fruit at all- eat more veggies to compensate
5) black dot fruits in any form (including beneficial fruits with black dot ingredients)
6) avoid fruits in any form (including beneficial fruits with avoid ingredients.)

I know I listed #2  twice. I did that on purpose- if the beneficial fruits aren't in season, then I'd suggest eating some fresh neutral fruit and some beneficial fruit in other forms.
Posted by: sOphia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 8:22pm; Reply: 148
Last night I got some superfoods to swap into my diet.  This morning I didn't get the mix right for breakfast  as I was hungry too soon but I have plenty of superfood snacks to keep me going at work.  
I will look into those supplements mentioned earlier.  
Have also made myself a wallet-sized list of the easily available good foods to remind me what I can  eat on shopping day.  The tinned fruit I can get is quite good - it seems to be in an OK juice but I don't drink that anyway.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 2:42am; Reply: 149
just as long as they don t contain citric acid or other corn derivative in the mix for conservation
Posted by: sOphia, Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 2:00am; Reply: 150
When the book refers to cilantro as a superfood and coriander as an avoid does it mean the fresh herb vs the ground seed?  Over here we call both the fresh plant and the seed 'coriander'.
Also not sure how the book can say 'curry' is a superfood when most curry powders have coriander in them  :-/
Posted by: Lola, Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 4:17am; Reply: 151
coriander is the seed
cilantro is the herb

curry can be made using only compliant spices
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Monday, May 9, 2011, 8:44pm; Reply: 152
I got some important healing from btd,can never discount how much includin meat & restricting meat healed my metabolism.  But I got to a certain point where other issues were adressed but not entirely....gtd is the next stage as far as I can tell.  Sure for a lot of years I thought dairy was a problem.  Now I get that its a whole metabolic syndrom having to do with genes that have starvation imprints on them.  The main issue is to eat enough of the right food to keep my insulin in check.  Also though I love to exercise overexercising & undereating has been an ongoing 20 year issue.  Just exercising a lot isn't the answer.  I love btd, very grateful for how much it helped me but gtd is better.  For me, anyway.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Sunday, June 19, 2011, 2:23am; Reply: 153
Hello,

I am experiencing conflicting information regarding what genotype I am.

I have used 3 calculators with varying results. I am an O negative, my torso is longer, my lower leg is longer & index fingers longer.

1) Basic Calculator- I circled Row 4- I have four basic matches to strength test: 2,4,5 & 6. I strength test them and Explorer wins with 22 points and Gatherer has the lowest with 3 points. "Circle your Genotype with the highest score" "Congratulations, you've discovered your genotype!" So I am an Explorer.

2) Intermediate Calculator- I check Row 4 (based on what I did on Basic Calculator). I am an O negative blood type, I circle Row 16 which has two numbers: 2 & 4*. I am to write the number without the asterisk (which is 2). The calculator says that is my Genotype- Gatherer.

What??

So here is my issue: with the Basic Calculator, I test very high for Explorer (22 points) so based on that info I am an Explorer. But in the Intermediate Calculator I am a Gatherer but test the lowest for that genotype with a measly 3 points. I'm thin & tall at 5 ft. 9 in. and I used to model on the runways in Europe. I am an ecto-mesomorph and have a square jaw; with nothing related to Gatherer.

So I would like clarification on the Strength Testing. The book clearly says that strength testing will let you know how much of that genotype you express. It is a "measurement of the effects that your genotype exerts in your body." Pg. 97
However the Basic Calculator uses the Strength Testing to see how many points you have and the highest wins and that's your genotype. This is clearly conflicting.

So if I am a Gatherer with 3 points on the strength test does this mean that I barely express any qualities of that genotype? Or does it mean that I am not a Gatherer?

Your help would be much appreciated!

Michelle
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, June 19, 2011, 3:33am; Reply: 154
^^I'm new to genotype, a lot of people seem to benefit from SWAMI software.  Other than that I would suggest you go with the diet you most closely relate to.  You sound like an Explorer.  I'm guessing but it seems a lot of Gatherers have strong insulin issues.  If you aren't big on sweets or a yoyo dieter you migh t not be a Gatherer.  SWAMI can probably determine.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Sunday, June 19, 2011, 5:43pm; Reply: 155
Hi Sahara,

I was hoping I wouldn't have to do SWAMI.  I'll need more definitive answers. I'd be so much easier to do the calculators and know now.
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, June 19, 2011, 6:57pm; Reply: 156
You sound like an Explorer.  You could look over the food lists and decide which one fits you better.  Then follow that dieta while you wait on SWAMI.  
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, June 19, 2011, 7:26pm; Reply: 157
Quoted from 14922
Hi Sahara,

I was hoping I wouldn't have to do SWAMI.  I'll need more definitive answers. I'd be so much easier to do the calculators and know now.


Ideally you would use the advanced calculator in the back. Sometimes that gives a clear answer even without secretor status.

If that does not give a clear answer, use the intermediate calc as the next best choice.

Ultimately, a more refined and personalized diet is gotten via SWAMI, which looks at things in a little more depth and factors in as much as possible.

Or, you could try the generic Gatherer diet for a whole and see how you do. That is fine too.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Sunday, June 19, 2011, 10:35pm; Reply: 158
Quoted from sOphia
When the book refers to cilantro as a superfood and coriander as an avoid does it mean the fresh herb vs the ground seed?  Over here we call both the fresh plant and the seed 'coriander'.
Also not sure how the book can say 'curry' is a superfood when most curry powders have coriander in them  :-/


I see it different then Lola, I think curry is a genoharmonic food and is fine as a combination of spices.

Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2011, 1:16am; Reply: 159
Thanks Lloyd,

The advanced also says I'm a Gatherer. So if I am a Gatherer with 3 points on the strength test does this mean that I barely express any qualities of that genotype? If so, then why be a Gatherer at all?
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, June 20, 2011, 2:46am; Reply: 160
Quoted from 14922
Thanks Lloyd,

The advanced also says I'm a Gatherer. So if I am a Gatherer with 3 points on the strength test does this mean that I barely express any qualities of that genotype? If so, then why be a Gatherer at all?

The answer lies on pages 95 - 97...  It says (paraphrased) that adding Genetic information adds significant weight to the stated Genotype...  With the Advanced Calculator, the strength testing is "just for fun" as the genetic information trumps the strength tests...  

If you want to add additional measurements and get a really personalized diet printout, get SWAMI and enter the additional measurements and medical histories...  It will provide the most accurate of any diet available, but is probably not necessary for some time - as the diet per the advanced calculator should provide a great start to a healthier you.
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2011, 4:25pm; Reply: 161
Thanks ABJoe!

I did not see that explantion on Page 95! So now I see why I got so confused with the Basic Calculator. Well I'm a Gatherer- at least I know now :)
Posted by: ABJoe, Monday, June 20, 2011, 4:33pm; Reply: 162
Great!  Much success in meeting your health goals!
Posted by: 14922 (Guest), Monday, June 20, 2011, 5:34pm; Reply: 163
Thanks!  :)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 20, 2011, 9:09pm; Reply: 164
Quoted Text
curry can be made using only compliant spices


by this quote I am actually saying, that we can all make our own curry blend using our compliant spices if there are any avoids in your store bought curry mix

it is entirely our call to make or follow our lifestyle, anyway we like.....nothing is set on stone
Posted by: Seraffa, Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 3:17pm; Reply: 165
Quoted from Victoria
Genotype and Blood type diets are two different programs, and they really can't be compared.  It helps me to remember that they have different goals:

Blood type diet helps us make the best of the bodies that we have inherited, and to be as healthy as possible with the health or illness tendencies that we have.

Genotype diet re-programs our genes to express positive traits that may have been dormant for generations, and to tone down (suppress) traits that may have shown up as disease in our ancestors for generations.  This diet is designed to make deeper changes.


Yaaaaay! ( I hope my pocketbook can say "yay" too, somehow with all the exotic meats listed under my type  ::)
Posted by: C_Sharp, Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 4:01pm; Reply: 166
Quoted from Seraffa
I hope my pocketbook can say "yay" too, somehow with all the exotic meats listed under my type  


Just because they are there does not mean you have to eat them.

I rarely have any of the "exotic" meats, other than Ostrich.

And I only have the Ostrich when can I find it at less than $7 US  per pound.
Posted by: 16862 (Guest), Sunday, November 13, 2011, 10:08am; Reply: 167
I am really lost like many people here. I started with the BTD and I didn't notice any difference, really. So, I bought the genotype one and I have found them incompatible in many aspects. I would like to know if I can eat goat cheese for example (which was good in the BTD), tomatoes, soya milk, rice cakes, honey or butter. I am BT 0 and I am a gatherer. What do you think?
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, November 13, 2011, 6:40pm; Reply: 168
Welcome Yolprica!

You need to decide if you want to follow BTD or  GTD;  it's really hard to combine the two. The best thing is to get a SWAMI, a computer program that computes the ideal diet just for you. However, if you don't want to (or can't) spend the money on that right now, you could simply follow the Gatherer diet and see how you do on it. In that case, you'd ignore the food values in BTD (blood type diet) and only follow the GTD (genotype diet) book.

Goat cheese, rice cakes, and butter are neutral for Gatherers (as well as for Blood Type O)
Tomatoes are a super-beneficial (yet tomato juice is an avoid, so there's some confusion there- generally, raw tomatoes are fine but tomato sauce/paste is questionable.)
Honey is a black dot avoid- it's something to avoid for at least two months, and then eat cautiously afterwards. Agave is neutral, but all sweeteners need to be eaten in moderation (like one teaspoon per day.)

Soy milk is an outright avoid
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Sunday, November 13, 2011, 8:12pm; Reply: 169
Gosh to think I thought I was a Gatherer...... ??)  Back in May I had just barely dc'd wheat and was not exercising, really went in to a lot of denial about my issues.  The truth is I burned out on the basic O diet and without support couldn't get myself boosted up to the next point and gave up.  It was a never ending cycle of reintroducing avoids beginning in 2008.  Switching to genotype was probably always the logical next step but I never took it because the book wasn't on the shelf at the store (for some reason many bookstores don't stock it) and I rarely visited the website so got out of the loop.  When I first came on here several months ago I was really thrown by all the SWAMI stuff etc.  The new diet is such an improvement though and makes so much more sense to me.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Sunday, November 13, 2011, 9:33pm; Reply: 170
So are you on the "book version" of the Hunter diet or do you currently have a SWAMI Sahara?

I did very poorly on the "by the book" Gatherer diet. Too many of the seasonal veggies were black dots and I never "got into the groove" with the Gatherer foods. Plus I increased my dairy intake way too much and got sick from that. I also wasn't fully compliant, because the Gatherer  foods never felt satisfying for me. SWAMI gave me back carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, and winter squashes, which make this livable for me.
Posted by: Bansaw, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 2:00pm; Reply: 171
I sympathize with the original poster on this somewhat.
Being a newcomer, the Blood type and the Geno Type diets seem contradictory.  

If a food is dogmatically identified as 'toxic' for an 'O' for example, then to say it is not so later is contradictory.
For me, the overall goal of both diets is to "maximize health".  
So I can sympathize with the original post.

Also, I took the test "What Diet is right for you?".   I put three different sets of answers in to test it out.   Every set of answers elected the GenoType diet over the Blood Type diet.   So, I think that they really want the Genotype to replace the BT.
In fact, no matter what answers I put in, I cannot get it to elect the BT diet.   Only if I answer all "no", does it say "too close to call"  and pits the GT equal with the BT.   So, I can't seem to get them to recommend the BT diet at all.

However, I want to reserve judgement and read some more before coming to a conclusion.
Posted by: Drea, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 12:01am; Reply: 172
The Blood Type Diet and the Geno Type diet are two separate courses of action; they are not interchangeable. One is not better than the other; it just depends on what the individual wants to achieve.

I started out on the BTD and did very well for 15 years. Then the GTD came out and I switched and did great on that one, even though many of the food ratings changed. I just went with it. Then, later, when I could afford it, I got myself a SWAMI, which is a specific diet tailored to me. I am doing the best of all following my SWAMI.
Posted by: C_Sharp, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 4:47am; Reply: 173
Quoted from Bansaw

In fact, no matter what answers I put in, I cannot get it to elect the BT diet.   Only if I answer all "no", does it say "too close to call"  and pits the GT equal with the BT.   So, I can't seem to get them to recommend the BT diet at all.


It depend upon what you answer.

If you put that you want to lose weight you are likely to go to the GenoType diet, because that diet considers issues related to weight.

Blood type diet considers how you body reacts to foods. So if you check things like allergies, chemical or environmental sensitivities, skin condition, irritable bowel, headaches, thyroid. You are going to find that the blood type diet is best for you since it is the diet that addresses those conditions most effectively.

Posted by: Possum, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 5:02am; Reply: 174
Quoted from Bansaw
I sympathize with the original poster on this somewhat.
Being a newcomer, the Blood type and the Geno Type diets seem contradictory.  

If a food is dogmatically identified as 'toxic' for an 'O' for example, then to say it is not so later is contradictory.
For me, the overall goal of both diets is to "maximize health".  
So I can sympathize with the original post.

Also, I took the test "What Diet is right for you?".   I put three different sets of answers in to test it out.   Every set of answers elected the GenoType diet over the Blood Type diet.   So, I think that they really want the Genotype to replace the BT.
In fact, no matter what answers I put in, I cannot get it to elect the BT diet.   Only if I answer all "no", does it say "too close to call"  and pits the GT equal with the BT.   So, I can't seem to get them to recommend the BT diet at all..

Quoted from C_Sharp
It depend upon what you answer.

If you put that you want to lose weight you are likely to go to the GenoType diet, because that diet considers issues related to weight.

Blood type diet considers how you body reacts to foods. So if you check things like allergies, chemical or environmental sensitivities, skin condition, irritable bowel, headaches, thyroid. You are going to find that the blood type diet is best for you since it is the diet that addresses those conditions most effectively.
And if you have both? ??)
I am with Banshaw...Doesn't matter what I put in either...When I originally did the quiz, it came out close between both but now it really doesn't matter what I elect as yes or no, the GTD comes out way ahead? Can you explain that change please?
Posted by: yaeli, Thursday, January 26, 2012, 6:02am; Reply: 175
This is a question I put long ago and I'll repeat it here: Before Dr. D published the GTD, it was clear cut that chicken is an avoid for B's. I repeated this instruction to all my B friends and acquaintances, because I accepted this as a severe warning, understanding that chicken for B's was life threatening in the long run. Then, when GTD came to light, I understood that a part of B people are Gatherers, for whom chicken is a black dot. Therefore, if you are a B and you don't know your GT, it is still recommended to totally avoid chicken. But after all, isn't it better and more practical to verify your GT for that matter? Poor chicken!  ??)
Posted by: 14442 (Guest), Saturday, January 28, 2012, 6:17pm; Reply: 176
It's just more refined and specific.  I can never eat apples regularly, just not a food that ever worked for me & now I know why.  Genotype helps you find better food choices.
Posted by: ibhipru, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 3:53pm; Reply: 177
I still haven't seen a scientific explanation for how and why foods like Whey Protein and 2% milk can be beneficial for me in BTD but be "avoid" in the GTD.  How can taking some body measurements invalidate a lab result showing a positive or negative blood reaction to a particular food?  Can someone give me a concrete example of the scientific proptcol used to render a BTD beneficial food into a GTD avoid?
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 4:09pm; Reply: 178
Are you looking at Gatherer GT? If so, be aware that the generic GT rating is heavily influenced by the large blood type O population for whom most dairy will be an avoid.

The way around this issue, of course, is to run a SWAMI. Which is more individualized.

The science is not for you, the specific individual, but for the GTD group of Gatherers as a whole when using the generic diet.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 7:46pm; Reply: 179
tomatoes are a toxin for this O here! :)
Posted by: Conor, Sunday, July 15, 2012, 9:18pm; Reply: 180
Quoted from Lola
tomatoes are a toxin for this O here! :)

I've completely replaced tomatoes with peaches in salsa. (drool)
Posted by: Seraffa, Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:14am; Reply: 181
Quoted from Conor

I've completely replaced tomatoes with peaches in salsa. (drool)


What??!!  And I can't have peaches anymore  :( and MUST eat tomatoes as a superfood. I want a watermeolon salsa, then!  :)
Posted by: prunella, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 4:51pm; Reply: 182
I seem to do fine with tomatoes.  Perhaps I am deluding myself!
Would anyone mind describing their tomato responses?  --digestive, inflammatory?
Posted by: Spring, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 5:18pm; Reply: 183
Quoted from prunella
I seem to do fine with tomatoes.  Perhaps I am deluding myself!
Would anyone mind describing their tomato responses?  --digestive, inflammatory?

I don't know about an 0-Type but tomatoes will wreck my nervous system and set my stomach on fire when I've eaten very much of it. Of course, I haven't had any tomato in a very long time!
Posted by: Mother, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 5:36pm; Reply: 184
always back of the knee pain, but that is with all nightshades.
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 6:59pm; Reply: 185
Quoted from Conor

I've completely replaced tomatoes with peaches in salsa. (drool)


And, I've replaced tomatoes with oven-roasted tomatillos.  Yum!
Posted by: 10384 (Guest), Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 7:04pm; Reply: 186
Quoted from prunella
I seem to do fine with tomatoes.  Perhaps I am deluding myself!
Would anyone mind describing their tomato responses?  --digestive, inflammatory?


My personal experience with tomatoes is acid reflux and indigestion.  And, to think I used to be on an heirloom tomato seed forum with all the big wigs, including Carolyn Male, the world-renown expert, from whom I received seeds.  And, I had a beautiful garden with many tastes, shapes, colors, and sizes of beautiful heirloom tomatoes.  But, that was in another, much younger and uneducated life.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 7:51pm; Reply: 187
Quoted from ibhipru
I still haven't seen a scientific explanation for how and why foods like Whey Protein and 2% milk can be beneficial for me in BTD but be "avoid" in the GTD.  How can taking some body measurements invalidate a lab result showing a positive or negative blood reaction to a particular food?  Can someone give me a concrete example of the scientific proptcol used to render a BTD beneficial food into a GTD avoid?


I can't give you concrete scientific examples, but I can explain the underlying concepts in lay terms.

All foods have "good parts" and "bad parts" for each individual. How a food is rated will depend on how harmful the "bad parts" are, and how beneficial the "good parts" are, as well as how easy it is to find those nutrients in other food sources.

When looking at foods through the "blood type diet lens" certain nutritional needs are emphasized. When looking through the "genotype diet lens" different needs are emphasized. When aiming for a different health goal, certain negatives may become "less important" while certain positives may become "much more important", turning an "avoid" into a "beneficial." Conversely, the positives may become "less helpful" and the negatives "more harmful" and a food may move from beneficial to avoid.

This is where SWAMI really shines. Instead of worrying about how 2% cow's milk rates for B's in general or how it rates for Gatherers in general, the computer software will evaluate each food against your own personal needs.
Posted by: prunella, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 1:05am; Reply: 188
Thanks for all the tomato reaction descriptions.  I know folks who simply cannot eat nightshades.  I will pay more attention to my own body, but I have never noticed anything particular.  OTOH, I eat far less tomato sauce since I gave up wheat and dairy.

Adam, I feel sad to think of the loss of tomatoes in your life, although I realize it is an overall improvement for you.

I was The Queen of Bread and Cheese--known among friends and co-workers as a baker of artisan breads, collector of fancy cheeses, friend of goat cheese artisans. After some months of grieving, I am becoming the best GF baker I know. I am excited to see that swami allows my some whey cheeses.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 1:08am; Reply: 189
enjoy your swami!
watch those frequency values
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 5:07pm; Reply: 190
btw.. I'm demanding myselve right now if Swami-testing is comparable with normal DNA testings.....

as you know I've passed two tests and here those told me that I can have normal allopathic medications... what I denied and wrote back to them and asking how it comes.... :o :-/(shrug)...
so ok those only tested  the cytochrom P450 enzymatic system and they told me that I don't have any gene dammage or defect and that all is functioning normally, even that I am a fast acylator...what seems not to be usual for explorers....

so is that really equal in validity... normal DNA testings and biometric values ??)

any replies are more then welcomed ..... :B(pray)(hehe)(smarty)
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