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Posted by: macawluver, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 6:39pm
I was just curious if nonnies are more likely to have weight problems than Secretors. I know both my husband and I have struggled with our weight our entire lives and we are both nonnies.  I have also often wondered if the people that are morbibly obese are non secretors.
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 8:54pm; Reply: 1
Made me think more that I am a Nonnie, been morbidly obese all my life.  If this is true, I would guess that my two brothers are also, wish we could find out for sure.

(to people who have not heard from me in a long long time,  my computer crashed, just got a refurbished one, that is working well, no complaints. So HI to everyone, and I am fine and doing great!)
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:38pm; Reply: 2
I was gonna say!  Welcome back, Sue!
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:55pm; Reply: 3
Welcome back geminisue.   Sorry about your computer.   Great to see you here again.   How are the dishcloths coming along? ;)

I voted nonnie and overweight.   Eight years ago I would've voted with the obese.    Still struggling with weight, but I don't have an obsession with food as much either.   At least, not the bad crappy stuff as in eating it.   Now, I am obsessed with eating the good food which makes me feel sooooooo much better.  (clap)(clap)(dance)(dance)(woot)(woot)

Debra :)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 22, 2009, 12:05am; Reply: 4
How about very skinny too.. unhealthy looking.. gaunt.

My A teacher nonnie brother can't keep weight on.
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 22, 2009, 12:29pm; Reply: 5
Found this by Dr. D regarding non secretors metabolic syndrome=overweight.



Quoted Text
Diabetes, Heart Disease, & Metabolic Syndrome X

Non-secretors are at a greater risk of developing diabetes (especially adult onset diabetes); and they might be at a greater risk of developing complications from diabetes. Data allows the conclusion that Non-secretors are a risk factor for myocardial infarction and heart disease (note: this is particularly true for men).

Several different researchers have noted a connection between a metabolic syndrome called "Syndrome X" and Non-secretor blood types. Syndrome X is a clustering of metabolic problems comprised of insulin resistance (your cells do not respond effectively to the insulin that you create), elevated plasma glucose (high blood sugar), lipid regulation problems (elevated triglycerides, increased small low-density lipoproteins, and decreased high-density lipoproteins), high blood pressure, a prothrombic state (tendency to clotting), and obesity (especially central obesity or a predisposition to gaining weight in the abdomen). This cluster of metabolic disorders seem to interact to promote the development of diabetes (adult onset type II), atherosclerosis, and cardiovascular disease. And while insulin resistance might lie at the heart of the problem, all of these metabolic disorders appear to contribute to health problems.

Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 22, 2009, 1:15pm; Reply: 6
since I am in menopause, mann I gained weight, really NOT lekker :-/...I am really struggelin with that issue...but of course also coz I am not moving enough...and I can't get my *ahem* out the door as I'd like to, or better said should to.... :-/ :o :B :B.....

hmmm(evil)(dizzy)(think)will have an eye into the explorer diet...perhaps does it helps me out here ??) ;).....(pray)(mad)(book2)
Posted by: Lola, Monday, June 22, 2009, 5:53pm; Reply: 7
http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm
for those interested in the whole article
Posted by: Curious, Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:21am; Reply: 8
I am a nonnie and slim. Never had a weight issue, but have always eaten healthy (lots of vegetables and fruits, moderate amounts of fish, meat and eggs, moderate amounts of gluten free grains). I also make sure that I walk regulary and do exercises.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, June 25, 2009, 5:43pm; Reply: 9
I'm not sure if I should vote for "obese" or "oveweight" (or just skip the poll entirely since I'm not 100% sure I'm a nonnie.)

According to BMI calculations and all those stupid weight charts, I'm "obese." But I have a very large bone structure. At my healthiest adult weight, I was just barely in the "normal weight" category- another 5 lbs and I'd be catagorized as "overweight" even though I'd only be 5 lbs over my ideal weight! My current "goal weight"- a realistic weight goal that's about 15 lbs heavier than I was at age 20, is well within the 'overweight" category.

So, at  around 30 lbs heavier than I think I should be, I think I'm "overweight." When I weighed 190, and had high blood pressure and a fatty liver, I think I was "obese." Losing just 15 lbs got me away from those obesity-related health problems, leading me to beleive that I'm no longer "obese" but merely "overweight."

Then again, I've regained about 7 lbs since I adopted the BTD and abandoned strict low-carb eating, so maybe I actually am "obese" again.  ??)

I need to be strict about following the nonnie diet (which coincidentally cuts out most forms of sugar and many grains), as well as keeping down my intake of O nonnie-friendly grains and sweeteners. I'm eating more molasses today because of a wicked sore throat (although it's getting better than it was yesterday) but I plan to cut back on that once I'm better. Besides, I have very little appetite so the increase in carbs should be compensated by the major decrease in calories.
Posted by: nowishow, Thursday, June 25, 2009, 6:30pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Amazone I.
since I am in menopause, mann I gained weight, really NOT lekker :-/...I am really struggelin with that issue...but of course also coz I am not moving enough...and I can't get my *ahem* out the door as I'd like to, or better said should to.... :-/ :o :B :B.....

hmmm(evil)(dizzy)(think)will have an eye into the explorer diet...perhaps does it helps me out here ??) ;).....(pray)(mad)(book2)


I gained about 15lbs in the last 5 years since I started getting hot flashes. Plus no energy at all. I've been eating the Explorer diet for almost 5 months now and I just weighed myself. I lost 10 lbs! And I haven't started exercising yet! I do gentle yoga everyday though ;) I still feel pretty tired most of the time (detox, getting rid of my candida, and I still have the hot flashes which wear you out!) but I do have more energy than I did six months ago. By the way, I'm eating more food than I was before starting Explorer, but I'm also very strict. I've only let a couple of black dots back in.
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, June 26, 2009, 2:04am; Reply: 11
Ruthie, is molasses supposed to help throats?
Posted by: SquarePeg, Friday, June 26, 2009, 3:25am; Reply: 12
I didn't vote:

I was thin & underweight as a child and into early adulthood.  But when I got married and had great meals to come home to every night, I gained weight.  But that was also the time I started to drink cola.

I started to notice symptoms of syndrome X in 2006 and became overweight.  In April 2007 I reached a high of 182lb, > 20% body fat and BMI > 25.

Now I am normal weight of 154lb, 15% body fat & BMI = 22.74.

My nonnie status is only assumed, not verified through testing.
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, June 26, 2009, 5:52pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from Ribbit
Ruthie, is molasses supposed to help throats?


Anything sugary/syrupy is soothing to very sore throats. My mom always gave me tea with honey when I was a child, but I've since discovered that honey makes me very nauseated when I'm sick. I've always done better with sugar in tea when I'm ill. Right now, I'm sticking to molasses because it's the only sweetener that's neutral for nonnies (except for agave but I'm not convinced it's a particularly healthy product for anybody and I haven't bought any.)
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:48am; Reply: 14
Soothing, but good? maybe not? sugar makes bacteria grow.

Posted by: Sharon, Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:15pm; Reply: 15
I take a teaspoon of molasses whenever I have leg cramps.  It stops them almost immediately.  Maybe cramps are a mineral deficiency and maybe molasses helps with minerals?  Glad to know it is the neutral  sweetener for non-secretors.
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:16pm; Reply: 16
Honey is antibacterial.  I don't know that molasses is.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:46pm; Reply: 17
nada para me as being an A2B nonnie... molasse...very b...puky-puke ;)...better to go for my supps ;) ;D... :o :B 8) ;D ;D ::)
Posted by: Karen Vago, Friday, July 3, 2009, 9:32pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Soothing, but good? maybe not? sugar makes bacteria grow.



...and weakens the immune defenses almost instantly. They have measured this.
Posted by: paul clucas, Monday, July 6, 2009, 3:20pm; Reply: 19
Voted Obese since there is not a category for "Beyond the limit on Morbidly Obese."

I have lost 20 lbs on GTD (ignoring portion size and balance) and pumping 3 * 52 oz "cups" of water.  Now  that I am sleeping on a properly supportive bed, my back will now be good for substancial exercise.  Bring on the sweat!
Posted by: RedLilac, Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:28pm; Reply: 20
For the 1st 50 years of my life I would have voted thin then I got menopause and gained some weight, but was still within the weight range, but at the high end.  I lost 30 lbs which put me back at the low end.  Then I twisted my knee a 1-1/2 ago and gained 20 lbs, which put me at the high end again.  It took me a year, but I have now lost that and Im right where I want to be.  So I voted normal.
Posted by: Raquel, Monday, October 26, 2009, 6:26pm; Reply: 21
Im nonnie and not overweight and never I had that problem, maybe because Im Nomad
Posted by: Possum, Monday, October 26, 2009, 10:24pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Sharon
I take a teaspoon of molasses whenever I have leg cramps.  It stops them almost immediately.  Maybe cramps are a mineral deficiency and maybe molasses helps with minerals?  Glad to know it is the neutral sweetener for non-secretors.
Just in case anyone sees this & wonders...muscles need magnesium to relax... and as molasses has magnesium in it, as well as calcium & potassium among other great minerals, it will help with cramps... ;)
Posted by: geminisue, Monday, October 26, 2009, 11:00pm; Reply: 23
Possum- I remove the wrapper from a bar of soap and place it under my sheet, and haven't had a charlie horse since.  I don't understand why or how, but it works, for everyone I suggested it too.
Posted by: Possum, Monday, October 26, 2009, 11:37pm; Reply: 24
So... you're saying .... that putting a bar of soap under your mattress affects your stock breeding programme ??!! Well I'll be......interested to know why/how ;)
Sorry... just pulling your leg...But being an Aussie/NZ'er I'm not sure what a Charlie Horse is...??!! I assume its slang for cramp or something like that??!!
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:17am; Reply: 25
:D  You're so funny, Possum.  Yes, a Charlie horse is a leg cramp.
Posted by: Possum, Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:34am; Reply: 26
:D :) ;D ;DWhy is it called that??
Posted by: Ribbit, Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:58am; Reply: 27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_horse
Posted by: Katsy, Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 2:13pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from Possum
But being an Aussie/NZ'er I'm not sure what a Charlie Horse is...??!! I assume its slang for cramp or something like that??!!


Yes a "Charlie Horse" (or "Charley Horse") is a leg cramp. Here's the Wikipedia article on it, which includes a couple of suggestions as to how the term became popular. I'd actually heard a different story -- something about a messenger named Charlie who walked because he couldn't afford a horse to ride; and due to the excessive exercise, would develop leg cramps, which were caused by "Charlie's horse" (i.e., the lack thereof!).  :)
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:17am; Reply: 29
Possum- it is under the sheet (not the mattress) Charlie Horse is a hard hard cramp usually in the upper thigh and holds on like forever, can also hit calves of the leg.  So yes an old term for cramps. lol.
Posted by: Squirrel, Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:19pm; Reply: 30
At my heaviest I was only about 15 lbs of fertility drug weight over my ideal. Now I'm about right by Asian standards (BMI of 19) which is a little underweight by UK standards.

My nonnie DH is naturally very slim but he put on a lot of weight living off expenses  ;) before the diet. Since he started the diet, he steadily lost weight until he got down to his ideal weight, and then the weight loss stopped.
Posted by: kayzee, Thursday, December 24, 2009, 2:23pm; Reply: 31
I'd say there might be something to this. I'm a fitness instructor and triathlete, and still hover about 5-10 lbs. over the line between "healthy" and "normal" weight. I'm interested to see how that changes now that I'm experimenting with BTD/GTD (not sure which one I'll end up sticking with).
Posted by: nwiser, Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:39pm; Reply: 32
I'm an A+  nonnie, Teacher - never really been overweight, but athletic looking.
Takes a while to gain weight.
My mom is also an A + Teacher (And I'm thinking she's a nonnie) Do one of
my parents have to be a nonnie? Anyway, both are very thin. Mom weighs 94 lbs
and always has. I'm not even close to that small but I'm taller and have a different build.
We'll see what the future holds. I feel it's getting harder now to maintain,
but still have ideal weight and BMI.
Posted by: nwiser, Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:46pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Lola
http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm
for those interested in the whole article


What a depressing article!

Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:41am; Reply: 34
Quoted from nwiser


What a depressing article!



Now to take good care of yourself as every nonnie should. :)

Posted by: newtypeA, Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:55am; Reply: 35
I read that article, too, and my first thought was "Can we get it in English, please?" It's hard to wade through it and make sense of all the terrible things that can happen to nonnies.

My dad...I wonder if he was a Nonnie. He was absent for most of my life, but even when he was married to Mom, I get the sense that he wasn't healthy even back then. His back was always messed up, and later on he lost his teeth and got dentures, got Type II diabetes, high BP, high cholesterol, calcified spine (probably complications from a fall). he also had several strokes. He was dead at 56.
The fact that he smoked like a chimney and drank Coke like water for years didn't help I'm sure, but I would think a secretor would survive poor lifestyle habits or misfortune better than a Nonnie would.
Posted by: ABJoe, Thursday, February 18, 2010, 1:58am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Amazone I.
but of course also coz I am not moving enough...and I can't get my *ahem* out the door as I'd like to, or better said should to.... :-/ :o :B :B.....

hmmm(evil)(dizzy)(think)will have an eye into the explorer diet...perhaps does it helps me out here ??) ;).....(pray)(mad)(book2)


Diet won't help with lack of movement. ::) :K) ;)
Sometimes you just have to get up, grab your nose and pull yourself out the door for your walk...  Or something else that is effective for you...   ;D
Posted by: nwiser, Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:43am; Reply: 37
Quoted from newtypeA
I read that article, too, and my first thought was "Can we get it in English, please?" It's hard to wade through it and make sense of all the terrible things that can happen to nonnies.

My dad...I wonder if he was a Nonnie. He was absent for most of my life, but even when he was married to Mom, I get the sense that he wasn't healthy even back then. His back was always messed up, and later on he lost his teeth and got dentures, got Type II diabetes, high BP, high cholesterol, calcified spine (probably complications from a fall). he also had several strokes. He was dead at 56.
The fact that he smoked like a chimney and drank Coke like water for years didn't help I'm sure, but I would think a secretor would survive poor lifestyle habits or misfortune better than a Nonnie would.


Sorry to hear about your dad. I just found out I'm a nonnie and I've been very healthy all my life. I never really got those nagging ailments that others get....but I feel like I'm starting to tire out! I'm still trying to find out if one of my parents has to be a nonnie for me to be one? I'll feel better if the answer is yes because both are very healthy. My mom is always tired, but otherwise healthy. Neither is ever on any meds and both are 67. I'll take that as a nonnie.
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:54pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from ABJoe
Diet won't help with lack of movement. ::) :K) ;)
Sometimes you just have to get up, grab your nose and pull yourself out the door for your walk...  Or something else that is effective for you...   ;D
Too true!

Normally, I would not be caught dead in the local gym (which is 3 minutes walk from my house.)   So I am now making peanuts delivering fliers.  The money is not much, but it motivates me to get walking.  I am loosing my jowls ( :P), my leg muscles are bigger and more defined, and the routes are getting easier to do.  If I work the diet more and keep this up, I might loose the "Heaviest Member of the Board" status.

:o  ;)  ;D
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, February 22, 2010, 7:10pm; Reply: 39
hey youzz two men... overthere give me another glimps of a sport/movement  issue... than those  :-/ :P ;D ;D.... I work all day long...come home late and then you ask me to go for a walk...or even toughy whatsoever??) ;) :D...  jaminei... I'm a reactive  explorer but I felt that my tutor prof. dr. Uhlenbruck was right when mentioning: Sport is murder* ;)...not a lie my sweet dearles... not at all  :K)... but I felt always very drained after havin given a real try to move more or even intense sports; I love to walk...even brisk walks ok ( no problems with my looong legs ) :D... but all about training modalities...fffttt...(hand)(scared)(naughty)(shrug)but in my youth I really went for toughy sports and got my early results in heavy inflammation issues from da finest... >:( so I was forced to give up all I loved and since then...my feelings dropped rapidly when somebody tries to make me understand.. hey Isa..go for *it*....you should do this and that... yep I recognize it's a bit controversal to my firstlaberings... but it is at it is... :X
Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 12:22pm; Reply: 40
YES IT IS and I read somewhere that a bar of soap might work.. yes and a metals object .. NOW my brother has that cramp stuff from NEUROPATY ( diabetes related) and I wonder if just washing with a good oldfashioned soap might help during the day ????????

I voted ...
Posted by: geminisue, Sunday, April 11, 2010, 7:56pm; Reply: 41
when a person is way overweight, or have very bad health, they cannot pull themselves, up and go outside to lose weight.  But I will tell you something, this BTD, even works for those people.  I lost 100 # without going outside to walk, I did isometrics, in my chair, and took baby steps to my bathroom and back with a walker, it takes time and determination, and a lot of stick-to-tive-ness, to get a lot better, to lose weight, and to finally be able to get outside and walk 50 feet in one direction, sit down and walk 50 feet in the other direction.  Slow yes, but this diet works, that is what I'm saying. I'm living proof it helps COPD, CHF/w hypoxia,heart attack, and diabetes,& arthrtis, all at the same time. Just wanted to let you know, it is possible with little or no exercise, but if one can I encourage, them to do so.

a bar of soap under the sheet when resting or sleeping, helps to prevent charley horses, I haven't had one, since, I've put one under, and use to get them quite often.
Posted by: Goldie, Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 6:23pm; Reply: 42
GOSCH this thread is getting all juices flowing .. loosing 100pds weight and not running like a mad person.. now that is living.. congrats.. write a  :)book please..
Posted by: Cristina, Monday, September 6, 2010, 10:45pm; Reply: 43
Concentrating on the healing will eventually feed the mind the determination and drive we need to get us moving at the level our true type requires to achieve our goals ...  :)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, September 9, 2010, 8:09pm; Reply: 44
;D :K) dearles.. I did it.. bought the *Massai shoes MBT* and I am walking every day... and dancings...every day.. jjjahhuiii to Amr Diab and Ishtar Alabina and the beautiful musique of Haissam Salah Eddine... justamente great.... sometimes classic arab musique and shake...shake...shake slowly but yep every day...(smarty)(ok)(dance)it's like stretching but muchmore gentle and a fine rhythme...  ;D :D
Have lost 4 kilos whithin 9 days and I stopped GTD... and I'm back on BTD and feel great  ;D poundies are melting and I hope to be superfit for 2011 and the conference  ;)(hehe)(smarty)(cool) meep-meep.... ;D
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, September 11, 2010, 1:42pm; Reply: 45
another two poundies gone this week ... ;D :D(ok)(dance)(smarty)(woot)(evil)(evil)
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, September 11, 2010, 1:50pm; Reply: 46
Quoted Text
another two poundies gone this week ...  
Good job..
Posted by: SandrAruba, Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 11:09am; Reply: 47
Quoted from nwiser


My mom is always tired, but otherwise healthy. Neither is ever on any meds and both are 67. I'll take that as a nonnie.


Just my opinion, but I don't think "always tired, but otherwise healthy" really go together. If someone is always tired there is something wrong. May not be anything serious, but there is something wrong. Maybe it would be wise to have her thyroid checked.
Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, October 2, 2010, 12:59pm; Reply: 48
Tired to me is more likely sugar issues related either eating the sugar in many forms of avoids.. or sugar conversion the body cant handle well... and sugar causes depression.. but I for my self.. I have no job life so to me sleeping is a choice- I can make the day shorter..

but being tired or taking a nap are two different things.. I used to be tired to the point of not wanting to breath it was just to hard.. doing BTD helped that over years.. today I am ok..

surprisingly taking a drop of the Carob Extract recently has helped me a lot in that regard.. I have not figured out why - it has no caffeine- but by what I EXPERIENCE as evened out balance of sugar spikes seems to give me more energy.. yet no stimulation.. sort of nondescript.. even balance.. but no test to back it up yet..
Posted by: O in Virginia, Sunday, October 31, 2010, 6:37pm; Reply: 49
Nonnie and definitely overweight here.  As an adult, I was always toward the lower end of the range of normal weight for my height, and I was waif thin as a child, teen, and even through my 20s.  I've gained a LOT of weight over the past three years.  The chart may not indicate obesity, but I feel like a whale, especially in my mid section.  I've lost 11-12 lbs since starting BTD a couple of months ago, and I'm very pleased with how painless that's been.  I didn't even have a problem giving up coffee, so I must be meant for BTD (aren't we all?).  The weight loss is almost incidental to the other benefits I'm feeling.  I'm a believer now...I still have a long way to go, but the journey so far is is certainly interesting.  I'm going to try not to obsess over the scale numbers right now and just keep at it.  We'll see where I end up.  I'm hoping by this time next year to feel very differently than when I started out.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, October 31, 2010, 9:05pm; Reply: 50
and don t forget to check up on your servings of live foods for when a craving for sweet comes along......the more you nourish your cells of the right nutrients vital to their function, the less cravings you ll experience! ;)
Posted by: paul clucas, Sunday, October 31, 2010, 11:35pm; Reply: 51
Fresh raw veggies chopped as fine as you can make a salsa.  No vinegar, no salt, no sugar, a little complain meat with the salsa.  I have my salsa in rice wraps, but that is not required.  You will see the pounds shed.

Great to hear of your success, Isa!  When the correct answer is there, you need never verify it's goodness.
Posted by: O in Virginia, Friday, November 5, 2010, 2:41pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from paul clucas
Fresh raw veggies chopped as fine as you can make a salsa.  No vinegar, no salt, no sugar, a little complain meat with the salsa. I have my salsa in rice wraps, but that is not required.  You will see the pounds shed.

Great to hear of your success, Isa!  When the correct answer is there, you need never verify it's goodness.


I need to remember to add those to my shopping list.  Are those the paper thin ones you must soak first?  A Vietnamese friend of ours used to make cold spring rolls with those.  They were sooo good!  :)
Posted by: paul clucas, Friday, November 5, 2010, 5:12pm; Reply: 53
Yes, soak for about 5 seconds.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:32am; Reply: 54
nori sheets also work for me, yet less grain.....
or even add a nori sheet to layer your rice wrap!!
Posted by: O in Virginia, Saturday, November 6, 2010, 9:37pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from Lola
nori sheets also work for me, yet less grain.....
or even add a nori sheet to layer your rice wrap!!


Great idea!  I love nori.
Posted by: christaalyssaA+, Monday, November 15, 2010, 7:23am; Reply: 56
Quoted from Lola
nori sheets also work for me, yet less grain.....
or even add a nori sheet to layer your rice wrap!!



Oh! AWESOME! That is a great idea! Thanks for sharing that one!
Posted by: MsRubyLu, Friday, December 10, 2010, 6:22am; Reply: 57
I just voted. I've had weight issues since I was young probably hypoglycemic even as a child. That wasn't diagnosed until I was in my 30's. I do have to watch that I get enough protein and don't get to much high glycemic food to stay sort of normal.
Posted by: Patty H, Monday, February 14, 2011, 6:12pm; Reply: 58
I'm a nonnie and went through a seven year period of being overweigh, from about age 18 -25, which is probably the WORST time to have a weight problem.  Talk about not being able to get a date!!!   :-/  Once I lost all the weight I gained, I watch my weight very closely.  I don't count calories but know what I should and shouldn't eat.  I weight myself almost every day so that if I do gain weight, it is not more than 3 pounds.  This is what works for me.

Once I took off the weight, I kept it off for about 28 years until I hit peri-menopause about a year ago.  I gained about 7 pounds but have taken off 3-4 pounds so far on the BTD/GTD.  I am very close to my goal.   Even with the extra 7 pounds, everyone still thought I was skinny.  That is the word most people use to describe me.  I don't think I'm skinny, though.

Growing up, I never had to watch.  I was a very skinny, tiny kid - always the smallest in my class, being first or last in line.    ::) I couldn't keep weight on.  I could eat whatever I wanted and never gained an ounce.  I weighed about 85 pounds in high school.  I also was VERY active.  Outdoors all day long, gymnastics in the winter.

I voted thin.
Posted by: Seraffa, Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:36am; Reply: 59
Quoted from macawluver
I was just curious if nonnies are more likely to have weight problems than Secretors. I know both my husband and I have struggled with our weight our entire lives and we are both nonnies.  I have also often wondered if the people that are morbibly obese are non secretors.


I am just wondering if you knew "obese" should have been at the top of the list instead of "overweight" because being clinically obese is the worst end of the spectrum? I voted "obese" at 197 pounds, not "overweight".
Posted by: Seraffa, Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:44am; Reply: 60
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Found this by Dr. D regarding non secretors metabolic syndrome=overweight.






My God - thank you!!
Posted by: Seraffa, Monday, January 16, 2012, 4:51am; Reply: 61
Quoted from nwiser


What a depressing article!



"Being a Non-secretor also offers a slight increase risk for having a problem with habitual snoring."

....I noticed I have STARTED SNORING and woken myself up doing so after I took that nasty job I have selling fresh fruits and veggies inside of health clinics where people are walking in with all their colds, flus, viruses........*auuughghgh!!*  When I am not in good liver health I SNORE. It all makes sense now!
Posted by: Spring, Monday, January 16, 2012, 7:59am; Reply: 62
Quoted from nwiser


What a depressing article!



I have thought for some time that it is by far the most depressing thing Dr. D. has ever written. Like getting hit over the head with a two by eight! The fact that nonnies and their unique problems were not particularly addressed in the Geno Diet bothered me too. He definitely came through with the SWAMI though!
Posted by: Patty H, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 12:41am; Reply: 63
Quoted from Lola
http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm
for those interested in the whole article


How does epigenetics impact non-secretor status.  In other words, if we eat right and exercise right for our type, can we overcome the issues associated with the non-secretor status or are these issues inevitable?
Posted by: NancyEllen, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 1:39pm; Reply: 64
Great question Patty!  I would like to know if there is an answer to this also.   :)
Posted by: ruthiegirl, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 8:47pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Patty H


How does epigenetics impact non-secretor status.  In other words, if we eat right and exercise right for our type, can we overcome the issues associated with the non-secretor status or are these issues inevitable?


My understanding is that, by eating and exercising right for our individual bodies, we'll prevent any kind of health problem later in life. Nonnies tend to have certain issues, when they follow "one size fits all" dietary and lifestyle guidance. When we nourish our bodies as they should be nourished, there's no reason in the world we should be any sicker than secretors.

The problem is that most of us are healing from decades of doing things "wrong" and it may take a while to get everything back on track. Diet alone isnt' enough for many of us.
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:04pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from ruthiegirl

My understanding is that, by eating and exercising right for our individual bodies, we'll prevent any kind of health problem later in life. Nonnies tend to have certain issues, when they follow "one size fits all" dietary and lifestyle guidance. When we nourish our bodies as they should be nourished, there's no reason in the world we should be any sicker than secretors.

The problem is that most of us are healing from decades of doing things "wrong" and it may take a while to get everything back on track. Diet alone isnt' enough for many of us.

I asked Dr. D about this a few years ago during one of our Forum discussions about the health risks of being a non-secretor.  I was feeling a bit of panic about the list of problems that we could be facing and I sort of asked if there is any hope for us.   :B

He answered by saying that that's what this is all about - his life's work around individualized eating and lifestyle choices.  It's to even out the scales.  That's why we need to look at this way of eating as a way of living - not a short-term diet to lose weight or clear up a problem that we're having.  This is all about by-passing the major diseases that would ordinarily plague us, and give us the opportunity to live a life of good health and happiness.

Dabbling in this way of eating and not taking it seriously is not going to offer the long-range protection that he was speaking of.  

Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:27pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from Victoria

I asked Dr. D about this a few years ago during one of our Forum discussions about the health risks of being a non-secretor.  I was feeling a bit of panic about the list of problems that we could be facing and I sort of asked if there is any hope for us.   :B

He answered by saying that that's what this is all about - his life's work around individualized eating and lifestyle choices.  It's to even out the scales.  That's why we need to look at this way of eating as a way of living - not a short-term diet to lose weight or clear up a problem that we're having.  This is all about by-passing the major diseases that would ordinarily plague us, and give us the opportunity to live a life of good health and happiness.

Dabbling in this way of eating and not taking it seriously is not going to offer the long-range protection that he was speaking of.

Great post, Victoria!
Posted by: Spring, Thursday, April 5, 2012, 7:28pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from ruthiegirl
My understanding is that, by eating and exercising right for our individual bodies, we'll prevent any kind of health problem later in life. Nonnies tend to have certain issues, when they follow "one size fits all" dietary and lifestyle guidance. When we nourish our bodies as they should be nourished, there's no reason in the world we should be any sicker than secretors.

The problem is that most of us are healing from decades of doing things "wrong" and it may take a while to get everything back on track. Diet alone isnt' enough for many of us.


Right on, Ruthie!
Posted by: kateland, Monday, April 9, 2012, 11:23am; Reply: 69
Quoted from Lola
http://www.dadamo.com/program_advanced_secretor.htm
for those interested in the whole article


Thanks for posting this, Lola. It's been so long since I've read all the books that I kind of forgot what a huge risk I'm at for heart disease and diabetes, both of which are rampant in my metabolic syndrome X-filled family.

I just went to SWAMI and printed out all my recipes and food list. In light of my pregnancy and still-obese-status it's more important than ever that I take control of my health, for my sake and my child's!
Posted by: Lola, Monday, April 9, 2012, 4:39pm; Reply: 70
keep up the good work Kate!
Posted by: Goldie, Monday, April 30, 2012, 8:37pm; Reply: 71
when I eat right I have control..

when I go off then I am off, then I am running from my own self - bad desires and lack of any willpower..

eating right for you and your child will result in your dropping many a pound without hurting the child.  The baby eats from your fat, not from your food.. Eating healthy now is important to avoid issues in the baby later.. keep up the good work: it's worth it..
Posted by: Averno, Monday, August 13, 2012, 4:47pm; Reply: 72
I spent the first 35 years of my life desparately trying to gain weight. When my wife and I were dating, she would introduce me to friends as " The only starving artist in history to eat 12 meals a day..."

35 - 45: Muscular & strong, but glucose, BP and cholesteral rising.
45- 55: Drowning in a toxic layer of fat.
55- 57 : BTD/GT Healthy again! Rebuilding strength, energy & stamina. All numbers normal.

BTD/GT is the future.
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 4:26am; Reply: 73
Quoted from Averno
I spent the first 35 years of my life desparately trying to gain weight. When my wife and I were dating, she would introduce me to friends as " The only starving artist in history to eat 12 meals a day..."

35 - 45: Muscular & strong, but glucose, BP and cholesteral rising.
45- 55: Drowning in a toxic layer of fat.
55- 57 : BTD/GT Healthy again! Rebuilding strength, energy & stamina. All numbers normal.

BTD/GT is the future.
Good to hear & funny story ;)

Posted by: Loops, Wednesday, August 22, 2012, 6:18pm; Reply: 74
I voted normal, but wasn't always that way.  I started getting the midriff as a child, then was anorexic at age 15 which I now blame on plummeting zinc levels due to previous dieting....Recovered from that, then went on to be bulimic at university - that seemed to be related to eating bread.  So basically all the avoid foods made me want to binge, and then I felt sick, plus I was terrified of gaining so vomited.  I was a very sick young woman for a long time.  It wasn't until I stopped eating the foods that made me binge that I started to let go and eat the quantities my body wanted - first low carbing and then BTD.  TUrns out it is not the carbs, nor the calories, but the types of foods eaten.  Being a nonnie I am very sensitive to weight gain from avoids it seems.  BUt it is a simple thing - I just don't eat them, or very little as in dark chocolate etc.  I can pretty much eat my fill of everything on the ok lists and nothing bad happens.  That was SUCH a relief when I found that out.

However, I would say some of the nonnie problems I DON'T have - like I have really good teeth - not a single filling (cavity I assume) despite having eaten a lot of sweets as a child.  I also don't snore, and don't get UTIs much.  Actually I used to get a few, but since I've been on minerals (including continuing zinc) I haven't had any.  I wonder if nonnies are prone to being low in zinc?

I am coming to the end of my first pregnancy with my son, and I haven't had any problems despite being 36 although I guess that isn't old these days.  My weight has been great and I am mostly all belly - I have been eating loads of foods all off the good lists with the odd avoid but no gluten.  I really think if it wasn't for BTD/swami I might have had a tougher time.  I have had a bit of low iron though, but I supplement for that.  Oddly I have been off red meat despite trying to eat more and wanting fried fish (I do my own in rice flour and olive oil) despite being a bit low in iron.  Anyway....off subject.

Being a nonnie I don't feel is a bad thing with the help of this diet.  I mean I would LOVE to be able to eat goat cheese and that does annoy me, but that is the only issue that bothers me really.  Plenty of foods for nonnies, including a few that secretors can't have (like avocados for type O!).
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, October 18, 2012, 9:06am; Reply: 75
MBT shoes gone (2x muscle rupture..no more thank you )...regular movements dito... poundies back :(....still on BTD but feel lousy sometimes.... :B(dizzy)

but yup was eating out too often and took wheaty things.... :P :( :X...no wonder (blush)(pick_nose)(mad)
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 7:57am; Reply: 76
but ok I didn't realized being kissed not only from menopause but also from adrenal fatigue .... no wonder of not being able to loose a little  weight... :P :(
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 8:55am; Reply: 77
That's a double whammy :-(
Posted by: Amazone I., Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 9:31am; Reply: 78
Possum dearle... look also for  Dr. Lam's advice for adrenal fatigue...... but ashwaganda
is for weightgain- so far better for a better sleep to come along with passion flower ??) ;) :D
I'm going to have an eye onto the advices of Dr. Klinghardt as well... the trio of
Dr.D's & Lam& Klinghardt should do the trick for us the super scepticals  ;) ;D ;D :B
Posted by: Possum, Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 9:40pm; Reply: 79
;)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 28, 2013, 10:15am; Reply: 80
btw found out.... Klinghardt no infos overthere :-/ :P :( but ok everyone of those has his/her specialities... B U T  then I found a certain Dr. Cass Ingram with some fine advices.... google about him or watch on youtube ;) ;D.....(pray)(ok) and don't forget a find a fine homeopath to come along with some other special patterns so nicely adjusted to our principles.... :P ;D ;D :X..... I found a colleague who bumped me up with 3 different little stockbottles of a heavy variation of infos... I've never observed that homeopathy should work for or with me.... ;) ;D(hehe)(hehe)(hehe)
ok..ok...this is really my last try I'm going for...(blush)(pick_nose)(shrug)....
Posted by: Possum, Thursday, February 28, 2013, 10:20am; Reply: 81
All the best!!
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, February 28, 2013, 10:36am; Reply: 82
thanx ;D :K) :D
Posted by: Lapisrose, Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 4:16am; Reply: 83
I am overweight, have hypothyroidism, arthritis, asthma, gluten intolerance, and I suspect fybromyalgia. I've been vegetarian most of my adult life, and the only way I have ever managed to actually lose weight in my adult life was going raw vegan - but then other health issues emerged after a time, and I went back to the SAD way...I wish I'd have known about ER4YT then - so I could have come back into full health without coming back up to my full weight.
Posted by: Possum, Saturday, June 15, 2013, 6:43am; Reply: 84
Never too late - glad you discovered it now!! I didn't hear about it till I was in my 40's... ;)
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, June 15, 2013, 8:14am; Reply: 85
btw I begun with royal jelly and some lecker pilzli's like Polyporus,Cordyceps and Maitake.... will get soon a test set :D(dance)(ok)(smarty)easier then to combine different mushies and BTD recommendations.... ;D(whistle) btw Cass Ingram has very
nice youtubers ;) ....(evil)
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