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Posted by: expe4, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:46pm
Hello all,
I was hoping that somebody could help me or at least share some personal experience.  We've been trying to have a baby for 6 months now. I stopped taking the birth control pill in August 2008 and ever since I haven't had a period...NOthing, not even a little spot. So in the last month I've been seeing my gyno and have had blood tests and an ultrasound, but all of the tests come out normal.  My doctor gave me progesterone hormones to take for 10 days, but still no period. I don't feel stressed, I've been on BTD since 2006 and GTD for 1 month...I'm so confused. I was never really that regular before I went on birth control, but 6 months w/o a period is a lot, no? Sometimes I think it is the stress of wanting so bad a baby, therefore I'm not menstrating...I try to not think about it, but how can i not?

If anybody could share any info or maybe some advice on what foods/vitamins to take to help ovulation, please share! I'm afraid that the doctor will want to put me on a bunch of different hormones or shots of stuff that aren't too natural.

Thanks!
Posted by: Ribbit, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:51pm; Reply: 1
I don't have my books in front of me, because I'm on vacation, but I'm sure you can get plenty of info online.  My herb books have specific teas and tinctures you can take to bring on your period.  
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:53pm; Reply: 2
What is your husbands blood type?
Have you looked at the NAP supplement for  female hormone regulation. Maybe you in your case it might be a good idea to try it?
Posted by: expe4, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:56pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
What is your husbands blood type?
Have you looked at the NAP supplement for  female hormone regulation. Maybe you in your case it might be a good idea to try it?


My husband is an A+
NAP has hormone regulation vitamins?!
Thanks
Posted by: expe4, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:57pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Ribbit
I don't have my books in front of me, because I'm on vacation, but I'm sure you can get plenty of info online.  My herb books have specific teas and tinctures you can take to bring on your period.  


Thanks Ribbit, I would love to try some herbal remedies!
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 10:22pm; Reply: 5
I am a bit confused that your gyn can't find anything wrong.
I would think that if you tested at different times in your cycle you would get different readings.

I know that the thyroid is like that, even different times of the day can make a difference.

Do you take your temperature before rising?
Posted by: Ligia, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 10:27pm; Reply: 6
Expe4,
Try acupuncture.  Or you can do acupressure yourself.  The library should have books on it.

Here are a few sites:

http://www.naturally-a-womans-way.com/acupressure-for-periods.html

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/21/155.cfm

http://www.geocities.com/jrh_iii/acupressure/acupoints.html#13
scroll down to the M for Menstruation.

http://www.magnecare.co.uk/html/acupressure.html


http://www.expertvillage.com/video/6383_self-acupressure-treatment-pms.htm
This one has videos.  There’s one called Acupressure Points for PMS.  I know that’s not your issue, but in Chinese Medicine imbalance causes all of the variations.  So this might help.  For example, the same point is used for relieving constipation and diarrhea.

I hope these help.
Posted by: syren4444, Thursday, February 12, 2009, 10:32pm; Reply: 7
Oh my goodness, I could have written your exact post (minus the trying to get pregnant part)!

I stopped taking Yasmin 4 months ago and have yet to have a cycle.  I also did every test with my doctor and was shown to be low in estrogen, but all else was normal.  I was told to start acupuncture, which I just did, and am also taking chinese herbs my acupuncturist gave me.

I'm also just 3.5 months on BTD recovering from too much food restriction and not enough fats/variety.  I'm also now taking Maca and something that has black cohash, flax, and soy in it for hormone balance.

I don't want to take any hormones, synthetic or regular.  My doc said if nothing after three more months she'd induce a period with a drug, but I rather get it back naturally. I'm trying everything I can right now.

I am a runner, and workout at least 60 minutes a day. I've cut my intensity a bit, but haven't cut out running/walking/spin.  I used to run much harder and longer so maybe that had to do with the period loss.

Did you ever have an eating disorder, restricted food, or worked out very hard?

I'm also going to be taking a test by Spectra Labs that supposedly tells you what minerals/vitamins you are and aren't absorbing well. Maybe I'm deficient in something.
Posted by: SheriBerry, Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:26am; Reply: 8
When I was 17 I lived in Germany as  a student.   I stopped having periods while I was there... towards the end, my periods resumed.  My weight was very low  during this time, and I ate very little protein....I can't tell you what changed, but I think it's that  my weight became more normal.

When I was about  25 I was working on a HUGE work project and my schedule changed drastically and I missed two  periods... but was not pregnant...

Two years later when I was ready to try to get pregnant I did so on the first try... so  just know that things CAN straighten out  eventually....
Posted by: expe4, Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:39am; Reply: 9
Quoted from Andrea AWsec
I am a bit confused that your gyn can't find anything wrong.
I would think that if you tested at different times in your cycle you would get different readings.

I know that the thyroid is like that, even different times of the day can make a difference.

Do you take your temperature before rising?


I've only been tested once (TSH, FSH, LH) and a couple pregnancy tests. Hypothyroidism runs in my family but my thyroid tested normal (1.4).

I never take my temperature before rising...should i?
Posted by: expe4, Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:46am; Reply: 10
Thank you for the wonderful sites Ligia!  ;D
Posted by: expe4, Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:51am; Reply: 11
Quoted from syren4444


Did you ever have an eating disorder, restricted food, or worked out very hard?



No eating disorders but I do work out a lot. Well, not too much in my opinion. About 4-5 times a week for 45 minutes to an hour. And the intensity varies. Some days I run for 45 minutes and other days are pretty low-impact. If I don't exercise, I get so gross feeling and cranky.

Thank you for sharing your personal experience. I think I'm going to look into actupuncture.
Posted by: grey rabbit, Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:23pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from expe4


No eating disorders but I do work out a lot. Well, not too much in my opinion.


If your body fat is too low you will stop having a period even if you think you don't work out too much. Can you find someone that can give you a body fat measurement? If you find out it is even borderline low you could try building up some fat, if you are planning on having a baby you will need it :).
Posted by: Andrea AWsec, Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:28pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from expe4


I've only been tested once (TSH, FSH, LH) and a couple pregnancy tests. Hypothyroidism runs in my family but my thyroid tested normal (1.4).

I never take my temperature before rising...should i?

Basal temperature

http://www.womenfitness.net/bbt.htm
Posted by: expe4, Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:54pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from grey rabbit


If your body fat is too low you will stop having a period even if you think you don't work out too much. Can you find someone that can give you a body fat measurement? If you find out it is even borderline low you could try building up some fat, if you are planning on having a baby you will need it :).


No, i've actually gained weight in the last few months and my body fat percentage is about 21%, in the normal range.
Posted by: Ribbit, Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:50pm; Reply: 15
You may want to see if some of what you're doing works first, before you add in acupuncture.  That way, if your cycles do start back you'll know what helped.  
Posted by: jeanb, Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:40pm; Reply: 16
There can be multiple reasons for no periods:

1.  The birth control pill lowered your estrogen.  Estrogen is the primary hormone that gives you your period, but the fact you are not ovulating means your body is not producing progesterone.    If your estrogen, FSH and SHBG are all depressed, that means the hypothalamus is not functioning properly.  This can be due to immaturity of the system and lack of fatty tissue in the body.

2.  Sex Hormone Binding Globulin Protein chaperone individual hormone molecules through the blood.  Should the hormones reach to high a level, the protein binds and inactivates them.  The protein not only transports but also regulated and assists in the access process at target cell sites.  

When your estrogen levels goes too high, an alarm goes off in the liver the body's master chemical factory.  In reaction to a high tide of estrogen, your liver can produce up to three times the normal amount of SHBG.

So, the birth control pill supresses ovulation, which occurs through the action of the pill's estrogen drug.  This substance is not quickly metabolized by the liver, as is your own natural hormone.  It remains in the body at a high level and thus exerts a suppressive effect on the ovaries.  

So, if your SHBG is probably high right now, it suppressing your own natural estrogen.  Your ovaries are probably still shut down from the synthetic estrogen from the pill.  Blood tests do not detect chemicalized hormones in the blood.

You will need to get your liver back into shape, the Blood Type Encyclopedia can help with this.  You can also request bio-identical hormones from your doctor, but you need to get baselines on estrogen, progesterone and thyroids FSH (folicle stimulating and SHBG.  Do not accept a "shot" of hormones, this could upset the balance even more and do not take unopposed estrogen, you will need to have progesterone for at least 2 weeks every month until your body starts producing its' own hormones.  

Posted by: expe4, Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:57pm; Reply: 17
Wow, thank you Jeanb!
Posted by: 4916 (Guest), Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:01am; Reply: 18
Clomiphene citrate is a drug which can block the estrogen receptors in the uterus and other reproductive organs. This will send a signal to the pituitary gland that there is no estrogen in the body. The pituitary will then start to produce more and more FSH to cause growth of follicles in the ovaries. The enlarging folllicles produce estrogen which stimulates the inner lining of the uterus (endometrium) to grow. Shedding of this endometrium causes menstruation or periods.

Clomiphene needs to be taken for 3 months for regular periods to resume.

Although, progesterone is often prescribed in postpill amenorrhea, it is not effective in stimulating the development of follicles in the ovaries.
Posted by: 4916 (Guest), Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:21am; Reply: 19
Clomid is fairly safe drug and alot of male bodybuilders take it to block the excess estrogen that's created when their bodies aromitize testosterone.
Posted by: syren4444, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:36pm; Reply: 20
My doc said if I don't get mine soon she wants to induce a period with a drug.  I'm really opposed to that, I want to stay away from prescription drugs. I'm crossing my fingers diet, herbs, and acupuncture help me soon.
Posted by: 4916 (Guest), Saturday, February 28, 2009, 6:49pm; Reply: 21
Sometimes allopathic means of treating disorders are the best course of action.  Your OB GYN will more than likely prescribe you Clomid to correct this problem.  I'd say that it's better than the alternative.  Studies have shown that woman who suffer from post pill amenorrhea are very likely to have substantial bone loss.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 7:48pm; Reply: 22
Not to be contrary, but I'd rather not have a period and continue to try to induce it naturally than to take a drug.  It's your body and you can do with it what you will.  The doctor does not own you....s/he can only make you feel guilty for not following his suggestions.  Please weigh the disadvantages carefully.  Do you want a period bad enough to use a drug with side affects?  I personally would prefer to let it go and not worry about it and continue with natural methods.
Posted by: syren4444, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:03pm; Reply: 23
So far I'm content with giving myselves 6 month to try and naturally correct the issue. I haven't ovulated for four months so far, so hopefully these next two months will be beneficial. After the six months I'll weigh my options.

I'm still waiiting on a new blood test to see if I'm absorbing vitamins and nutrients correctly, I get results in about a week.
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:25pm; Reply: 24
Do you inhale any unusual essential oils throughout the day?
Posted by: 4916 (Guest), Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:26pm; Reply: 25
Were you on birth control for a prolonged period of time or did this just come out of the blue?
Posted by: Suzanne, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:45pm; Reply: 26
I have been exactly where you are.  I wrote a blog about it a long time ago.  For some reason, I can't get to my old blogs on the internet right now, so I'll just copy it into this thread.  Be patient.  It takes some people a while to get over birth control hormones.

When my husband and I married, my doctor automatically put me on the pill. I don’t recall that the doctor even talked about any other birth control method. I remember him saying that unless I wanted to have a baby, I could stay on the pill until I was in my 40s. I had a vague feeling that I didn’t like how the pill made me feel, but everyone else I knew was using the pill, so I took it.

One evening when we had been married about a year we invited another couple over for dinner. My friend and I were in the kitchen putting the finishing touches on dinner, when she began complaining about her gynecologist. She said that he didn’t completely trust the pill and that he made all his patients get off once a year. I told her about my gynecologist who wouldn’t talk to me about anything but the pill. We laughed and said we should switch doctors, but before she left my house that night, I got her doctor’s name.

I made an appointment with him, and he said that while he believed the pill was safe for most women, he wanted his patients once a year to get off and have one normal menstrual cycle. Then they could go back to the pill. He had information about lots of other birth control methods and the percentages of effectiveness for each one.

My husband, being an engineer, recognized the statistical principal that combining two methods would increase the effectiveness to equal the pill. So I stopped the pill; just for a few weeks, we thought.

It was a full year before I had a period. It was two years before my cycle was back to normal. Some women, like me, over react to the pill, but there is no way to know ahead of time who will do fine and who will have problems.

Now that I have two children I ask myself, “What if I had stayed on the pill for years until we were ready for a baby? How long then would it have taken for my cycle to return to normal? Could I ever have gotten pregnant?”

Needless to say I never went back on the pill. I don’t oppose other women taking it, but I think that gynecologist’s idea of giving your body a break once a year is excellent. I also believe that the conversation in the kitchen with my friend was the direct intervention of God in my life and in the lives of my future son and daughter.
Posted by: 4916 (Guest), Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:50pm; Reply: 27

I would be interested in hearing some natural medicines and remedies that would treat amenorrhea.

It would be nice to use a natural or homeopathic treatment for every type of sickness people get but that isn't always possible.

Osteoporosis is a real possibilty after six months of amenorrhea.   Unfortunately,  you can't always use herbs or drink apple cider vinegar to treat every human ailment.  
Posted by: syren4444, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:17pm; Reply: 28
Ribbit,  Wow, that is an odd question about the essential oils, because I own a perfume business so I am around fragrances all day long. I typically use synthetic oil blends, which have a bit of EO's in them but are mostly considered fragrance oils.   I do inhale a lot of scent a day though, what makes you ask? Can that be related?

Vance, I was on BCP's about 7 years, I had never had normal cycles before it, just random, once every few months. I was put on the pill to regulate my cycle.

Suzanne, thanks for your story, that is so interesting1 I wish I was told to stop periodically.  My doctor seemed annoyed when I told him I wished to stop the pill.  I switched docs right after that. My new doc is lovely and she suggested the acupuncture.  All my docs (naturopathic and medical) are so happy I started the BTD and am eating a wider variety of foods (like nuts, oils, exotic grains, soy) and not restricting my fat intake as much.

Vance, I have upped my calcium and mineral intake, so hopefully that will help me right now. I think I did worse to my bod in the past not eating much variety and working out so darn much.  
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:16pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from syren4444
Ribbit,  Wow, that is an odd question about the essential oils, because I own a perfume business so I am around fragrances all day long. I typically use synthetic oil blends, which have a bit of EO's in them but are mostly considered fragrance oils.   I do inhale a lot of scent a day though, what makes you ask? Can that be related?  


I know....That's why I asked.  ;)  There are some fragrances, sage being one, that you shouldn't be around during pregnancy b/c it can raise blood pressure.  There are others which you aren't supposed to use topically at all during pregnancy.  If they are so potent that they can negatively affect a pregnancy, perhaps some are strong enough to affect your hormones when you're not pregnant.
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:38pm; Reply: 30
Okay, here's what's in "Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year" by Susun Weed  (http://books.shop.ebay.com/items/Books__W0QQ_nkwZWiseQ20WomanQ20HerbalQ20forQ20theQ20ChildbearingQ20YearQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZR40QQ_mdoZBooksQQ_sacatZ267 )

Emmenagogue Formulae (this is to stimulate an abortion [I have no intention of starting a debate--I'm simply repeating what's here], but I have read that it can also be used to start your periods again--the same affect--it empties the uterus):

"The following two formulae are in general use and seem to be erratically successful.  Do not increase the amount of herb in the formulae; do not exceed the recommended dose; do not take for longer than five days; do not use both formulae together.  Caution:  Blue Cohosh may raise the blood pressure."

Emmenagogue Brew
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2 Tbsp. dried Blue Cohosh root
3 Tbsp. dried Pennyroyal leaves
2 Tbsp. dried Tansy in flower

Put the Blue Cohosh into a quart of water in a pan and bring it to a boil.  Put the other herbs into a quart jar.  When the Blue Cohosh and water boils, pour into the jar with the other herbs.  Put on a tight lid and let steep for at least 30 minutes.  Strain out herbs and reheat before using.

Blue Cohosh can stimulate uterine contractions, but the responsible principle is not very soluble in water, even when the root is boiled.  American Pennyroyal strongly encourages the uterus to empty out and bleed.  Tansy has been used by Wise Women in Europe and the Americas for centuries to facilitate menstruation and induce abortion.  Together, these three emmenagogues can produce a profuse menstrual flow in sensitive women.

The usual dose is a steaming hot cupful every four hours for up to five days, or until bleeding is well under way.  The effectiveness of this formula is enhanced by the addition of a tablespoonful of brewer's yeast to every cup.


Emmenagogue Combination
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

20 drops Blue Cohosh tincture
20 drops Black Cohosh tincture
20 drops American Pennyroyal tincture

Measure tinctures into a cup of warm water and drink slowly.  Repeat every four hours for no more than five days.  Continue for one full day after bleeding starts....[then it states something graphic about abortion which I will spare you].

Blue Cohosh tincture stimulates production of oxytocin, the hormone responsible for uterine contraction.  Black Cohosh tincture enhances and supplements the action of the Blue Cohosh.  Pennyroyal tincture is an old favorite for 'suppressed menstruation.'



I've always had regular cycles, so I can't say I've tried this.  However, after each baby is born, my uterus stops the contractions and the placenta is left inside.  My wise midwife, this last time, used a tincture of some of the above herbs (plus others) ---extremely bitter!--- and within minutes the contractions started up again.  So for me it did work.
Posted by: syren4444, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:45pm; Reply: 31
How interesting! My naturopath put me on a supplement for women that has black cohash in it!

I don't think I use many oils with sgae or bitter EO's, I'm more a sweet scent gal, my niche market is gourmand scents.
Posted by: Ribbit, Saturday, February 28, 2009, 10:47pm; Reply: 32
I like sage to lend an earthy and masculine scent to whatever I'm making.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, February 28, 2009, 11:16pm; Reply: 33
Lavender is very estrogenic.. :)  
Posted by: expe4, Sunday, March 1, 2009, 8:06am; Reply: 34
It has been 7 months for me now...I stopped worrying so much though. All my tests came back healthy.  I made an appointment to do acupuncture and I have a friend who is studying shiatsu. She's gonna do a few massages that are suppose to stimulate the ovaries...  I guess an absence of menstration is linked to the liver, spleen or kidney.    

I'm against taking Clomid as well. One of the side effects is multiple births and though I want a family really bad, I prefer one child at a time!

Thanks Suzanne for sharing your story. By the way, I really enjoy reading all of your blogs!
Posted by: expe4, Sunday, March 1, 2009, 8:12am; Reply: 35
Quoted from Ribbit
You may want to see if some of what you're doing works first, before you add in acupuncture.  That way, if your cycles do start back you'll know what helped.  


I'm nervous taking any herb that stimulates the uterus or causes abortions like blue or black cholish. If I did get pregant while trying to get my period, I would hate to have a miscarriage :-/
Posted by: Judy, Sunday, March 1, 2009, 9:51am; Reply: 36
The herb that I've read is safe and that people have had success with is vitex (chasteberry).

This guy has a good article about natural treatments, which include vitex, for amenorrhea:

http://www.healthy.net/scr/Article.asp?Id=1180
Posted by: Ribbit, Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:32pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from expe4


I'm nervous taking any herb that stimulates the uterus or causes abortions like blue or black cholish. If I did get pregant while trying to get my period, I would hate to have a miscarriage :-/


If you're not having your period, you're not likely ovulating, which means you're not going to get pregnant.  According to what I read, it should start within hours or maybe a day or two if you try the herbs.  Just avoid your partner for a few days.   ;)  If I were in your shoes this is what I would do, and I'm as pro-life as they come.  When I thought I was miscarrying last month, I talked with my midwife about using these herbs to help things along.  I didn't want to go get a D&C and she said these are the herbs to use to flush out the uterus if the baby has indeed died.  Thankfully I didn't have to do that, because we were able to find the heartbeat, but I was mentally prepared to do it.  

It might benefit you to talk with an herbalist or a midwife in your area and see what they think.
Posted by: slyparrot, Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:45am; Reply: 38
Quoted from Ribbit


I know....That's why I asked.  ;)  There are some fragrances, sage being one, that you shouldn't be around during pregnancy b/c it can raise blood pressure.  There are others which you aren't supposed to use topically at all during pregnancy.  If they are so potent that they can negatively affect a pregnancy, perhaps some are strong enough to affect your hormones when you're not pregnant.


I think we should all follow a pregnant woman's diet & guidelines for a healthy life!
Posted by: expe4, Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 6:13am; Reply: 39
Quoted from Ribbit


If you're not having your period, you're not likely ovulating, which means you're not going to get pregnant.  According to what I read, it should start within hours or maybe a day or two if you try the herbs.  Just avoid your partner for a few days.   ;)  If I were in your shoes this is what I would do, and I'm as pro-life as they come.  When I thought I was miscarrying last month, I talked with my midwife about using these herbs to help things along.  I didn't want to go get a D&C and she said these are the herbs to use to flush out the uterus if the baby has indeed died.  Thankfully I didn't have to do that, because we were able to find the heartbeat, but I was mentally prepared to do it.  

It might benefit you to talk with an herbalist or a midwife in your area and see what they think.


I'm so glad they found a heart beat and everything was ok! Thanks for your replies Ribbit, I think I will talk to an herbalist.
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