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Posted by: alohascott, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 2:05am
Aloha
I wanted to start a thread where we could discuss some of the stomach problems that us A nonnies have.

#1   We don't have the IAP to help digest fat, or cholesterol

#2   We have a high chance of carbohydrate intolerance, and blood sugar problems that are difficult for doctors to detect.

#3   We have a high chance of candida yeast infection.

#4   All of these problems i believe give us a predisposition to leaky guy syndrome which means undigested protein leaks from our guts into our bodies. This combined with what we already know about the A type means we canít eat protien.



So let me summarize

We can't eat fat or protein, which are the exact things that would smooth out our blood sugar levels and help with the carbohydrate intolerance.

And we are full of yeast all the time which our regular doctors don't seem to want to help us with.

I guess what i am most focused on is fat.  

I want to know how I can increase my bodyís ability to handle fat.

Here is what i know so far

Eat MCT fat like coconut oil

Take digestive enzymes

Take lecithin with any fat.

Increase IAP

Letís get the discussion rolling

Mahalo

Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 2:35am; Reply: 1
Quoted from alohascott
Aloha
I wanted to start a thread where we could discuss some of the stomach problems that us A nonnies have.

#1   We don't have the IAP to help digest fat, or cholesterol

#2   We have a high chance of carbohydrate intolerance, and blood sugar problems that are difficult for doctors to detect.

#3   We have a high chance of candida yeast infection.

#4   All of these problems i believe give us a predisposition to leaky guy syndrome which means undigested protein leaks from our guts into our bodies. This combined with what we already know about the A type means we can¬ít eat protien.



So let me summarize

We can't eat fat or protein, which are the exact things that would smooth out our blood sugar levels and help with the carbohydrate intolerance.

And we are full of yeast all the time which our regular doctors don't seem to want to help us with.

I guess what i am most focused on is fat.  

I want to know how I can increase my body’s ability to handle fat.

Here is what i know so far

Eat MCT fat like coconut oil

Take digestive enzymes

Take lecithin with any fat.

Increase IAP

Let’s get the discussion rolling

Mahalo



Short chain fatty acids, such as those found in ghee are some of the better fats we can handle along with the omega 3's and some of the omega 6's. Very modest amounts of MCT's are probably OK, but certainly not to be overdone.

I have more issues with carbs than with fats or proteins. Processed carbs are the worst. White flour, sugar and corn syrup are poisons for A nons and all nonnie's for that matter.

In order to metabolize fat, you must eat enough fat in order to kick in the fat metabolizing genes. I conjecture that is why I am thriving on the explorer diet. The iron and zinc found in lamb and red meat including beef has done wonders for my energy levels, blood sugar and the much improved quality of my hair and fingernails. Good fats enable vitamins D,K,A, and E to be properly absorbed.

I have never had a Candida infestation, unlike many nonsecreting O's and A's,but I think body pH to some degree, specifically too many acid forming foods in excess perpetuates this problem. Loads of fruits and veggies along with adequate sleep and exercise will take care of it. Avoiding sugar,HFCS, white flour and potatoes will go along way to improving your health.
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 2:36am; Reply: 2
BTW, if you are a GT3 Teacher, then coconut oil is a diamond food.
Posted by: alohascott, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 5:20am; Reply: 3
I don't know much about the genotype diet but i do know a bit about coconut oil.
I buy the 96 OZ can of coconut milk ($7 USD) in the store and it lasts me three or 4 days.

I can tell you for sure for me it has helped in these ways.

#1 I can eat carbs without getting wiped out as long as i have my coconut oil also.

#2 My endurance for exercise has never been better.
( I ride bike 8 miles along a very senic part the North West Coast of Oahu.)

#3 I just feel that my energy levels are higher and more even.

I would be interested to hear from anyone who has tried coconut oil and actually felt worse.

I did see a bottle of MCT oil in the vitimin shoppe store and almost bought it.

Are there any other forms of Medium chain fats besides coconut oil.  
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 5:27am; Reply: 4
I have heard that coconut oil does something to stabilize blood sugar even in diabetics,perhaps it improves insulin sensitivity.

Coconut oil is probably the most widely known MCT. I'm sure there are other sources. Will have to do more research 8)
Posted by: Captain_Janeway, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 5:45am; Reply: 5
Ahhh....a google search shows that butter and palm kernel oils are also rich in MCTs. The ones we are told to avoid due to the saturated fats. On the other hand they are less calorically dense than regular fatty acids at only about 8 calories compared to 9 for most fats.

Interestingly they are metabolised more like carbs and are recommended to people who have difficulty metabolising fats or gaining weight.
Posted by: accidental_chef, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 6:19am; Reply: 6
Quoted from alohascott
I buy the 96 OZ can of coconut milk ($7 USD) in the store and it lasts me three or 4 days.


So is it coconut oil or coconut milk that you consume? Two totally different products from the same nut  :)

Posted by: alohascott, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 7:03am; Reply: 7
aloha
Coconut oil is a mixture that is mostly fat and water.  Coconut oil has the unique property of being very water soluble.
So when oil and water mix it makes a white milkly substance called coconut milk.

I put it in the fridge and the oil seperates out and rises to the top and solidifies and i eat that.

The bad oils as far as i am concerned are the ones that have been artificially processed to alter their melting point above body tempature.

Did anybody ever consider that might be a bad thing?

This is great info keep it comming.

Lets get more info on medium and short chain fats and other fats A nonnies can digest easily and also don't forget the other things that we can do to help our bodies digest and use fats.

Take digestive enzymes

Take lecithin with any fat.

Increase IAP
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, June 19, 2008, 7:07pm; Reply: 8
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2004/09/19/coconut-oil?blog=27
Posted by: accidental_chef, Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:15am; Reply: 9
Quoted from alohascott
aloha

Coconut oil is a mixture that is mostly fat and water.  Coconut oil has the unique property of being very water soluble.
So when oil and water mix it makes a white milkly substance called coconut milk.


Coconut oil has some moisture content, yes.

Soluble in water, ummm, I'm not sure. You get an emulsion if you mix coconut oil and water.

The emulsion, which is cloudy white is not coconut milk.

Coconut milk (coconut cream) is obtained from the grated flesh of the coconut. You squeeze the milk out. And you do this with a blender and some hot water. Then strain. Repeat two more times.

Coconut oil can be made 2 ways. One is to boil coconut milk for long periods of time till all the water has evaporated. You have to keep stirring it continously. The residue is pure, fragrant oil. Very labour intensive.

The second method is from kopra, dried coconut flesh. It's pressed between huge wooden rollers to squeeze out the oil.

And then there is coconut water, which is the water you get by cracking the coconut.

Just sharing some of my knowledge since I come from the land of coconuts  ;D.

And ofcourse there are coconut jokes...but let's not go there just yet...(clown)



Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:30pm; Reply: 10
take pancreatic enzymes or and bromelain , dried or freshcut slices of ginger, turmeric, dried italien or french herbs called "herbes der Provence"... :D
Posted by: mikeo, Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:55pm; Reply: 11
if you were a A Warrior I would suggest CLA...conjugated Linoleic Acid as a fat buster

Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) CLA reduces fat and preserves muscle tissue. According to the research project manager, an average reduction of six pounds of body fat was found in the group that took CLA, compared to a placebo group. CLA has been shown to decrease abdominal fat and lowers insulin resistance. CLA also enhances the immune system -- many studies have shown that CLA seems to possess sginificant cancer preventive effects.
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:51pm; Reply: 12
fats  in the estomach or fat on the bones  ??) :X ;D :D ;)
Posted by: alohascott, Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:39pm; Reply: 13
Aloha
on my diet of 30-40 percent fat over the past few months I have taken my Chol / Hdl ratio down from 5.9 to 3.0.
Posted by: alohascott, Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:44pm; Reply: 14
Coconut oil can be made 2 ways. One is to boil coconut milk for long periods of time till all the water has evaporated. You have to keep stirring it continously. The residue is pure, fragrant oil. Very labour intensive.

You forgot one way.  You can put a big can of coconut milk in the refridgerator and what comes to the top and hardens is coconut oil.   If its 100 percent pure i dont know but its cheap and tastes good, and is highly effective for increasing exercise endurance, leveling blood sugar levels and lowering chol/ hdl ratio from 5.9
to
3
It only took 5 months for me.  

I am not always convinced that the most expensive product is needed in all situations. Sometimes you can make do with what you have.
Posted by: alohascott, Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:45pm; Reply: 15
Thanks for the info on CLA i will check that out.  Open to adding other oils besides coconut to my diet.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, June 21, 2008, 10:08pm; Reply: 16
happy for you! :)
Posted by: alohascott, Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:17am; Reply: 17
my favorite food durring these few months was pure chocolate coconut milk shake with stevia sweetener.

Also oatmeal with coconut milk.  I ate this one a lot because as a non dairy tollerant person i did not know i has such a delicious option to milk.
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 30, 2008, 3:06pm; Reply: 18
coconutoil is in my swamitest negatively spelled for intake... :P.
but ok in the nomade-diet....omG.. ::).I will test this soon with my Vegatester and until I can work again, I'll use that on my skin only...
(nerd)
Posted by: alohascott, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 6:23am; Reply: 19
i also did take a lot of slo niacin.  It seemed to clear my mind.  I am now taking regular niacin and inisitol.    also recently i went on a medication called abilify and it seems to be working wonders for my concentration and ability to work and get things done.

can anyone tell me where i can find a complete test like this in america?

http://artisanbread-abo.com/shop/product_info.php/info/p255_ABO--A-Subgroups--Lewis--secretor-status--and-MN-blood-test-kit.html

i would just like to go to a website and order the dang thing just like this. someone had given me a suggestion before but the recomended company does not answer their emails.
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 3:23pm; Reply: 20
serotype panel
http://www.scnm.edu/medcenter/laboratory.php

I sent you the link last night in another one of your threads asking the same question
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1217392178/s-15/#num15

perhaps Monday might be a work day for the company, which doesn t answer your emails on the weekend!
Posted by: Victoria, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 5:55pm; Reply: 21
I did not eat coconut oil for nearly 10 years since it was avoid for type B.  However, since switching to the genotype diet, and finding myself to be a Nomad, I am eating a little organic virgin coconut oil every day (only 1 tsp.).  I have struggled to get my cholesterol to a healthy range, for my whole adult life!  It has been nerve-wracking!

6 months with the coconut oil have zapped my scores magically into the normal range.  Total cholesterol dropped from around 220-230 to 168!  LDL dropped from around 190 to 98.  HDL has stayed at around 60 to 70.  My ratio is 2.6.

I attribute the coconut oil for it's help, but also the entire genotype diet has been so much better suited for my body, and has relieved a lot of the physiological stresses from processing the foods that I eat.
Posted by: A island mama, Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:13am; Reply: 22
Not to rock the boat...this is a great discussion, BUT coconut oil is an avoid for both A nonnies and A secretors.  Or did I miss something somewhere?  I love coconut (and used to supplement with coconut oil) but have avoided since starting BTD.  Please enlighten me!
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 2:30am; Reply: 23
also a warrior toxin......but other GTs might be able to tolerate it, simply check the lists.
Posted by: alohascott, Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 5:48am; Reply: 24
Aloha
The coconut oil discussion here seems to focus on the raitings given for blood types and i understand that.

Howerver it is possible that dr dadamo is missing the power of this great natural medicine, i can tell you i am feeling so much better since i have started eating coconut milk.  also just for you A nonnies coconut milk and coconut meat are listed as OK TO EAT.
they are not an avoid or a benificial.

I would beg to argue this non benificial with the Dr.


regarding the link you keep giving me for tests.

i scoured the page, there is no phone number, no email address, and most important of all no link to buy what i showed you on the other link i gave you.  please check that link again.

the ONLY contact information on the site is for the college admissions or the webmaster.  and its not about not returning my email over a weekend its about no reply for a month.  jeez.

again the page you send me to is like a newspaper article on the test facility it does not have the info i need.
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 5:55am; Reply: 25
have you not done your GT measurements yet, to know which GT you fall into?

coconut oil or meat might be ok for you to have being a certain GT.

try that approach instead, you might be surprised! :)
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:17pm; Reply: 26
ask your local blood bank to perform a serotyping panel for you to determine if A1 or A2, MN system as well.....
you already know your secretor status, so no worries.

is that what you were pointing out about the links?
Posted by: C_Sharp, Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 8:06pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from alohascott
i scoured the page, there is no phone number, no email address, and most important of all no link to buy what i showed you on the other link i gave you.  please check that link again.

the ONLY contact information on the site is for the college admissions or the webmaster.  and its not about not returning my email over a weekend its about no reply for a month.  jeez.


Contact Info for blood serotyping:

Nellie Foster
6010 E McDowl Road, Ste 111
Scottsdale, Arizona 85257
480-970-0000 ext 240
Fax: 480-970-0003

email: n.foster@scnm.edu

Posted by: Karen Vago, Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 7:34pm; Reply: 28
Hello Lola,

The link (above)to D'Adamo's discussion about coconut oil is from 2004.In all scientific fairness I believe he should reevaluate his opinion in light of the more recent research on coconut oil. He only talks about the saturated fat in the nut. It is a special form of saturated fat: medium chain fatty acids that have very different properties to animal saturated fats.

The scientist to check out on the subject of coconut oil to get the explanation on what medium chain fatty acids are, is Bruce Fife.

There may be a lectin in coconut oil. That answer I haven't found yet because I haven't yet read all the links.

Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:21pm; Reply: 29
I am not Dr D. but in all fairness he has done that reevaluation you mention in his new GTD book. ;)

also, use your free trial at the gtd site, you will read all the comments Dr D has made for the different GTs on all issues, including this one.
Posted by: Karen Vago, Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 8:53pm; Reply: 30
Thank you Lola, I shall.
Posted by: alohascott, Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:30pm; Reply: 31
They stopped doing it in august.
I am amazed at the difficulty i am having getting this done since everyone here seems to have had it done.
come on guys help me out.

I want to know A1 or A2 and secretor status.


OLD INFO
NO LONGER DONE HERE

Contact Info for blood serotyping:

Nellie Foster
6010 E McDowl Road, Ste 111
Scottsdale, Arizona 85257
480-970-0000 ext 240
Fax: 480-970-0003

email: n.foster@scnm.edu
Posted by: Lola, Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:49pm; Reply: 32
I have been able to do complete serotyping panels for patients wanting to follow BTD at private clinic labs in Mexico City.

Call the blood bank lab at your biggest hospital in Honolulu....
am sure they ll be able to perform the test.

Posted by: Vicki, Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37pm; Reply: 33
alohascott,

I was unable to find anyone locally to draw my blood.  I think Lola's suggestion is a great one.  Honestly, since doing my genotype, for now, I don't feel I need to know if I am an A1 or A2 or my MN/NN/MM status.  

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