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Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, May 10, 2008, 2:59pm
I got a bad sinus infection about 4-5 weeks ago.  Went in after a few days and the doc gave me a one week round of antibiotics.  Had to go back for another round.  

Seemed to clear it up until yesterday when we had gone out to some Rhododendron gardens.  Last night I felt achy and tired with a slight headache.  This morning - full blown headache and some throat drainage.

Looked this up on the web and it seems this is trying to be acute or chronic sinutitus.  

I'm really  not a person with alot of money for this ongoing problem.  

So I'm wondering what others do to try and beat this thing... do I have to go full medical route until this is under control?

sigh.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, May 10, 2008, 3:40pm; Reply: 1
Hi funkymouse,

  I have sinus too. Might I suggest Ocean saline spray and a neti pot?  I used to use the neti pot when I first started really trying preventive measures because I was sick of taking antibiotics all the time.  I have regular Sudafed ephedrine, the one you have to give your license for, and now as soon as I start feeling symptoms, I take a Sudafed and use the Ocean every hour or two (really saturate your sinues, blow your nose and then repeat it again) for a day or so and I avoid a sinus infection..I used to get a sinus infection every May from the pollen..Not anymore..

Ocean is salt, salt kills bacteria. You might want to start with the neti pot, fill it with warm water and add a 1/4 tsp of regular or sea salt..The trick is tilting your head so you can pour it in one nostril and have it come out the other..(look in the mirror) takes a little practice. This will wash out the bacteria and pollen that's probably causing the problem. Do this 2 times a day if you can.  Then after it clears up, you can carry the Ocean around with you and use it as soon as you feel any symptoms and take a Sudafed. (I take one or two Sudafeds a day for a couple of days. It drains the infection out right away before it can take hold)

Never use a antihistamine. It dries it up and keeps the infection up in your sinus. A doc told me that a long time ago and he was right.

Or drink Mau Huang tea if you like the natural ephedra.
Posted by: 312 (Guest), Saturday, May 10, 2008, 3:51pm; Reply: 2
I know that sinus and allergies are not necessarily the same, but I have suffered many springs with
sickening hay fever.  I have found that taking a kyodophilus capsule and opening it into a glass of
water and drinking it helps open up my passages.  It sounds crazy, but it really works for me.  I have
had some of my kids try it also.  I think the acidophilus has natural antiobios in them (that sounds
ridiculous-probiotic/antibiotic).  But really you could try it if you have any probiotics in the house. ;)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, May 10, 2008, 6:41pm; Reply: 3
Went to the BTD Enclopedia for sinutitus and went and got Stinging Nettle Leaf caps which is recommended in two of the protocols for Sinus.  I've got Astralagus and I also got some Horesetail becuase it's supposed to be good for peri-menopause and Menopause and i'm in the midst of that too.

thanks for the suggestions.  anybody else get weak and deeply fatigued all over when you get hit with sinus stuff?  it's amazing how tired I am.

I think my immune system is compromised right now and that's why I'm a bit suseptible to all this allergy stuff right now.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, May 11, 2008, 12:06am; Reply: 4
Quoted from 312
  It sounds crazy, but it really works for me.  I have had some of my kids try it also.  I think the acidophilus has natural antiobios in them (that sounds
ridiculous-probiotic/antibiotic).  But really you could try it if you have any probiotics in the house. ;)


I don't know if it actually works like that but does the good bacteria kill the bad bacteria? What makes the antibodies not attack good bacteria and only attack bad bacteria?

That's what happens to me funkymouse, the immune system gets compromised by the pollen and the weakest spot gets attacked by the bacteria..in this case the sinuses.

Posted by: md, Sunday, May 11, 2008, 2:04am; Reply: 5
The following remedies, as recommended in the book Alternative Cures by Bill Gottlieb, have helped me with sinusitis.

Peel a whole clove of garlic and take one a day until your sinusitis clears.

N-acetylcysteine, or NAC, helps liquefy mucus so that it can drain.

The herb goldenseal kills bacteria; helps dry up thick, wet mucus; and stimulates sinus drainage.  Follow the dosage recommendations on the label.

Gravity: Lie flat on your back across your bed and let your head hang slightly over the side.  Stay in that position for 5 to 10 minutes as your sinuses drain into your pharynx and eventually into your digestive system.  (This really helps me)
Posted by: Ribbit, Sunday, May 11, 2008, 2:41am; Reply: 6
Do you have any friends in the SW you could go visit?  You might just need to get in some hot, dry air for a week or two.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, May 11, 2008, 3:19am; Reply: 7
There's already great advice here -- neti pot, saline spray, Sudafed.  I would add breathing in steam, and taking Colinsonia (orally), which Dr. D recommends in the chapter for Type As in one of his books.

If allergies are a problem, try Dr. D's allergy protocol.  I tried this right after we got the cat, and I think it reversed my growing asthma.

Two other causes of sinusitis can be yeast infection and sluggish adrenals.  Something to think about.

Good luck!
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, May 11, 2008, 3:46am; Reply: 8
funkymuse, what antibiotics did your dr give you? name and strength please.  it could totally be something else, but this sounds suspiciously like your anti-b's were not strong enough and once you're done w/ the round, it's hitting you again.  :-/
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, May 11, 2008, 2:04pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from italybound
funkymuse, what antibiotics did your dr give you? name and strength please.  it could totally be something else, but this sounds suspiciously like your anti-b's were not strong enough and once you're done w/ the round, it's hitting you again.  :-/


They gave me something called Clarithromyc 500 mg.

Also... I just stumbled upon Quercetin which looks great, as the Herb Store gal recommended a supp that was a combo of Quercetin and Nettle:

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/quercetin-000322.htm
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, May 11, 2008, 3:01pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Ribbit
Do you have any friends in the SW you could go visit?  You might just need to get in some hot, dry air for a week or two.


That's right. When I was a kid, my nose was always stuffed up from allergies..The only time I was able to breathe was in Arizona visiting my grandmother! I didn't want to go back to Jersey. I had the same feeling of relief when I went to Vegas years ago..

Quoted Text
There's already great advice here -- neti pot, saline spray, Sudafed.  I would add breathing in steam, and taking Colinsonia (orally), which Dr. D recommends in the chapter for Type As in one of his books.


Oh yes! Thanks SquarePeg. I forgot the steam! I have this small steamer for the face that I used for my sinuses when they got bad. Steam really helps. I bought it at the drug store.  I don't use it anymore because I'm very diligent with the Ocean and Sudafed at first sign of any symptoms. That's my protocol.   :)

Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, May 11, 2008, 3:37pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from 815


Ocean and Sudafed at first sign of any symptoms. That's my protocol.   :)



Hi Mayflowers.. I meant to ask, where can you get this ocean spray?

Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, May 11, 2008, 4:04pm; Reply: 12


I'm telling you, it's hard to find funkymouse.  I can get it in Walgreens, or the grocery store if it's not sold out. One time it was sold out, yet again and I bought the store brand..did not work as well.  

If you can't find it in a local store http://www.drugstore.com has it.
Posted by: SquarePeg, Sunday, May 11, 2008, 4:49pm; Reply: 13
There are other brands.  I buy Ayr Mist.  You can make your own.  It's basically neti pot solution.  It's just 8oz water and 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt.  The trick is getting a spray bottle that can deliver it into the nose.

Ever since I started using the neti pot, I stopped using the spray.  But we keep it around for our daughter.
Posted by: italybound, Monday, May 12, 2008, 12:36am; Reply: 14
Quoted from 1323
They gave me something called Clarithromyc 500 mg.


Is this the same thing they gave you the first round? the 500 mg looks good, but I wonder if that is the BEST anti-b for your situation. Wondering if a pharmacist would give you some insight. Most are very tight lipped on the prescription opinions  ;). Can't blame them tho.  ;)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, May 12, 2008, 1:12am; Reply: 15
Quoted from SquarePeg
There are other brands.  I buy Ayr Mist.  You can make your own.  It's basically neti pot solution.  It's just 8oz water and 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt.  The trick is getting a spray bottle that can deliver it into the nose.

Ever since I started using the neti pot, I stopped using the spray.  But we keep it around for our daughter.


I like Ayr also! That was the first one I used. It works excellent..but I couldn't find that one either in the stores. That's a very popular brand also.

I started out using the neti pot and switched to the saline spray. I found the spray worked better because I can use it anywhere and at first sign of symptoms to rinse out the bacteria before it can work it's way deeper into the sinus cavity (along with the Sudafed). With the neti pot, I always had to wait until I got home to use it and then some times it was too late..and I ended up on antibiotics.  

So I guess it comes down to personal preference.. :)
Posted by: SquarePeg, Monday, May 12, 2008, 4:45pm; Reply: 16
Not to get too off topic, but did you know that Ayr Mist used to be preserved with thimerosol?  This was 20 years ago. Back then you might get a lot of mercury if you wore contact lenses and used saline nasal spray!
Posted by: 794 (Guest), Saturday, May 31, 2008, 4:02pm; Reply: 17
Cod liver oil.  Mold causes sinus infections so make sure you live in a mold free environment.  Limit your fruits to 1-2 a day, eat mostly meat and veggies.  Rinse with a neti pot.  
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 1:08am; Reply: 18
NO DAIRY! - or anything else that may clog you. That is different with many of us, but dairy is the biggie to avoid.
Cheers!
Mrs "T"   O+
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, August 23, 2008, 2:46am; Reply: 19
Ouu Ouu Ouu... yesterday I had some dairy... a total avoid for me and I suffered from it - IT WON'T BE HAPPENING AGAIN.   :X

And the other bad thing that came on today was mid morning my sinuses kicked in AGAIN.  They are just starting up so I immediately took the Stinging Nettle/Queretin capsules.  As well, I looked up the protocols in  Dr.  D's Enclyopedia and took some Astralagus and Vitimin C.

As well, I'd sure like some suggestions for a good tea to drink... nothing stimulating for the evening though.  I'm doing Yerba everyday which is one of the protocols so I'm good there.  Maybe Lemon Balm?  Anything other suggestions?
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 6:59am; Reply: 20
deflect! :)
Posted by: Rebecca_C, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 9:40am; Reply: 21
Heat packs and inhalations.  I know it sounds a bit old fashioned, but I found that it took the pain out of the sinuses.  Try lying on the couch with a hot pack on your head (just be careful of your eyes), inhaling over a steam bath or doing some exercise.  My old doctor recommended these as they warm up the sinuses and get things flowing again.  Exercise is the last thing that you feel like doing, but it does seem to take the pain out once you've been going for a while.
Posted by: pixelland, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:24pm; Reply: 22
I "second" Mayflowers on the neti pot! It's a bit wierd at first, but it really works. Great for everyone to clean out the sinuses, not just those suffering from infections or allergies.

I breathe sooo much better when I use mine regularly...

(sunny)
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, August 23, 2008, 1:58pm; Reply: 23
(dance)(clap)(smarty)NAC...NAC......works wonders in those cases as well
Posted by: Melissa_J, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 4:36pm; Reply: 24
You can put about 1/3 tablet of goldenseal in the neti pot saline mixture.  I've heard of people putting probiotics in the mixture as well, though you'd probably want the purest probiotics you can find for that (with no flavorings, sugar or other growing medium in it)...I've never tried it.  Xylitol may also be an option, as in Xlear nasal spray.

You can also order Alkalol and put some of that in.  It's powerful stuff, an alkaline saline with menthol and the like in it.  In the early stages of a sinus infection it works well.  It doesn't work so well in the later, dryer, stages.  It also makes a good gargle for sore throats.  I only pour it through in the Neti for a count of three, then take a breather, or else my eyes really start to water.

Antibiotics rarely help a sinus infection, it seems like after they're gone you still have to slog through it like you would have without them.  During my pregnancies my doctor would make me slog through it without antibiotics, and it seemed to totally clear up faster than other times when he's given me antibiotics...they just delayed the misery.

After using the neti, be sure to let your head hang down, like you're touching your toes, for a few seconds, with a kleenex at the ready, to get the remaining fluid out.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:21pm; Reply: 25
Why does that neti pot make my head burn so badly I want to die???

Am I doing something wrong?

I don't generally have sinus problems..but I didn't  use too much salt...It just seems to hurt so badly when the water goes through my sinus cavity that it starts hurting and burning in my whole head.

Every time I read about the neti pot, I take mine out to try it to see if I can figure out what I'm doing wrong...

I can't understand why anything so beneficial for cleansing nasal passages would be so excruciating.  I used Himalaya sea salt and distilled warm water.



Posted by: 815 (Guest), Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:30pm; Reply: 26
Are you using too much salt? 1/4 tsp per pot of luke warm water.
Are you tilting your head so that too much goes into your sinus?
You tilt your head just enough to have it just go in one nostril and out the other.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from 815
Are you using too much salt? 1/4 tsp per pot of luke warm water.
Are you tilting your head so that too much goes into your sinus?
You tilt your head just enough to have it just go in one nostril and out the other.



I'm not using too much salt...but maybe you're right...too much of a head tilt....and water is going too deeply into my head....I need to figure out exactly how to position my head so
water simply goes in and out of my nostrils effortlessly.  Will try again....
Posted by: Melissa_J, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:57pm; Reply: 28
You may want to add a pinch of baking soda.

Taste your saline solution before using, it should taste like your tears.  Also make sure the salt is dissolved entirely...once I had a few undissolved grains in it and that was very painful!

Oh, and what kind of salt are you using?  The iodine in sea salt and iodized salt can be irritating, so use a plain refined salt, like pickling salt, with nothing added.
Posted by: Chloe, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 6:43pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Melissa_J
You may want to add a pinch of baking soda.

Taste your saline solution before using, it should taste like your tears.  Also make sure the salt is dissolved entirely...once I had a few undissolved grains in it and that was very painful!

Oh, and what kind of salt are you using?  The iodine in sea salt and iodized salt can be irritating, so use a plain refined salt, like pickling salt, with nothing added.


Using Himalaya salt...all natural....unrefined..I grind it myself from larger chunks.  I guess it's
like sea salt.  Never though it might be undissolved grains which are causing the pain...

You guys are SO smart!  What would I do without you all    :)  ::)

Posted by: Lola, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 6:47pm; Reply: 30
the book Alternative Cures by Bill Gottlieb, has tips :)
Posted by: Brighid45, Saturday, August 23, 2008, 10:30pm; Reply: 31
F-muse, the stinging nettle/quercetin combination is excellent for sinus trouble. About two weeks before allergy season starts up I start taking the nettle caps, and the worst symptom I get is some fatigue and a little bit of itchy eye. Compared to previous years when I'd wake up with my eyes swollen shut and massive sinus infections, that's a big improvement! :)

Melissa's recommendation to put goldenseal in the neti pot solution is a good one.
Posted by: md, Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:37am; Reply: 32
Quoted from Lola
the book Alternative Cures by Bill Gottlieb, has tips :)


Yes, here are some of the remedies suggested in the book.

Raw garlic:  Peel a clove and take one a day until your sinusitis clears.  To aid the digestion of small cloves, slice off both ends after peeling to perforate the thin film that surrounds the garlic.

Vitamin C: Take 500 milligrams every 2 hours during the day until the infection is cured.

NAC: Helps liquefy mucus so that it can drain.  Take 500 milligrams twice a day for the duration of the infection.

Goldenseal: It kills bacteria; helps dry up thick, wet mucus; and stimulates sinus drainage.  Follow the dosage recommendations on the label.

Gravity: Lie flat on your back across your bed and let your head hang slightly over the side.  Stay in that position for 5 to 10 minutes as your sinuses drain into your pharynx and eventually into your digestive system.

There are a few more, but these have helped me and my husband.
Mary


Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:19am; Reply: 33
Another thing that helps sinus infections for me is very warm compresses.  When I'm in the shower I use a wash cloth and put it across my face. I'll do it again at bedtime. When they were really bad, (pre BTD) I had bought a facial steamer which was extremely helpful.
Posted by: Debra+, Sunday, August 24, 2008, 12:11pm; Reply: 34
Good suggestions here.  I am with the NO DAIRY, at all.  Read your labels.  Lemon juice and warm water to help break up the mucus...especially before bed and in the mornings. ;)  A wonderful tea is elderberry (what proberry syrup has in it).  I like to mix it with another tea as it can be quite  :X .

And...are you doing the O exercise to the max...with the sweating going on.  You may not feel like it, but it really, really does help. :D

Debra :)
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:55pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Debra+
Good suggestions here.  I am with the NO DAIRY, at all


I agree totally. I should be off dairy..I have cheese issues.
Mostly everytime I have dairy, my nose stuffs up..I don't know if it's worth it for the benefits of yogurt. I can't have cabbage. I'd have to take a probiotic which I have trouble finding a brand I can tolerate. Soy yogurt has sugar in it..unless I try to make my own..never made soy yogurt.. :-/

Posted by: Maria Giovanna, Sunday, August 24, 2008, 2:58pm; Reply: 36
Hi Mayflower I make my soy youghurt with  a very clean soy milk and some cow yoghurt or a rest of my soy yoghurt since 5 years usually without problems and I love it with oat flakes, honey amd walnuts or pine nuts !
Maria Giovanna
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