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Posted by: 588 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 4:11pm
Hello - I am not excited about this topic but I really need some feedback. I am 48 yrs old and my symptoms are increasing while I am experiencing my hormonal transition.
I take Black Cohosh, but it's no longer effective at this point. I will NEVER subscribe to hormone replacement therapy.
What does Dr. D'Adamo recommend????
In gratitude, Eve
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 4:18pm; Reply: 1
Join the club.  :-/  I can't tolerate black cohosh. It gives me a migraine. My only available recourse was BHRT but I was gaining weight using the Bi-Est. I just recently stopped it. I want to see if there's much difference. I was on a very low dose.

Some docs recommend estriodol, very low dose by prescription. Some women who were gaining on Bi-Est, lost weight when they switched to estriodol.  I haven't tried it yet. That's the estrogen that's aggressive and can cause cancer. I liked Revival Soy shakes. They really helped with the hot flashes b4 the BHRT. The shakes have some avoids in them though so I'm not using them.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 4:35pm; Reply: 2
I've increased my progesterone cream (by Pro-Gest) at the recommendation of my Natural path who did saliva testing on me to see my hormonal levels.

I was having horrid breast swelling and pain for 3 weeks this month.  I eliminated green tea and all caffine (except in chocolate), and increased the pro-gest and the breast pain finally went away.

Plus I got some good recommendations from others on supp's to investigate.  I can't remember the thread that was on. anybody?
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:24pm; Reply: 3
How are your hot flashes?  Too much progesterone causes more hot flashes. I'm thinking of just continuing the progesterone.
Posted by: jayneeo, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:31pm; Reply: 4
I take one vitex before bed....I wonder if I should really take more to keep things in balance, but so far this works for me, however, I'm 60! :)
Posted by: 588 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:33pm; Reply: 5
Wow - great feedback.
Can anyone make recommendations for hot flashes and headaches? I was wondering about wild yams cream....but I do not know what I need and the MD will just put me on meds.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:36pm; Reply: 6
The wild yam is progesterone. Progesterone increases hot flashes. Estrogen is what is supposed to decrease the hot flashes.  Jayneeo, why don't you use cream instead of a pill and give your liver a break?  More junk to filter out of the body.. :)
Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:54pm; Reply: 7
What helped my hot flashes was black cohosh and vitex (chaste tree), taken at about a 1/2 and 1/2 ratio.  Also flax seeds were extremely effective, fresh ground daily, a couple of Tb in smoothie or water.  Plenty of liquid is needed with the flax since it absorbs water, and helps clean out the gut as well.

There is a gentle Chinese herbal formula, available at most health food stores, called Xaio Yao Wan, and it's fantastic for the hormonal transitions, along with heat symptoms and emotional storms.  It's also available through Dragonherbs.com, called Bupleurum/Peony.  Both versions are pretty inexpensive, and either is worth taking.

I currently like Dr. D's Fembalance.  The thing about Menopause is that it keeps changing, so I am willing to change what I take from time to time, and then sometimes I go back to previous attempts and they work better.

One approach is to do a saliva test once a year or so, just to keep an eye on the balance of estrogens vs. progesterone.  If your progesterone drops, you can use the progesterone creams on your skin.  If you don't need them, they can be counterproductive.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:55pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from 815
The wild yam is progesterone. Progesterone increases hot flashes. Estrogen is what is supposed to decrease the hot flashes.  Jayneeo, why don't you use cream instead of a pill and give your liver a break?  More junk to filter out of the body.. :)


Well then I must have ALOT of Estrogen because I'm not having hot flashes at this stage!  

Yes Pro-Gest is a progesterone creme highly recommended by my Naturalpath and also Christine Northrup in her medical books AND she has a great one on Menopause... I highly highly recommend it.  She talks about the spiritual and emotional aspects of menopause and it's just fantastic.  Makes you really honor this time in  your life.
Posted by: 588 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 5:57pm; Reply: 9
Sounds like great advice - I am mindful to keep all the balance and enjoy my body's changes.
I was also looking into Estroven, which has among other things a high dose of B vits. I already take a potent B-complex....thx again. This has helped.
Posted by: Kathleen, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 10:37pm; Reply: 10
Eve,

I know you don't want to go the BHRT route and I didn't either.  

My first symptom of perimenopause was night sweating when I was 44.  Really didn't bother me much.  I started ERFYT about that time too.  Then the mood swings and depression kicked in and, oh boy, did I need help.  Not to mention dry hair, losing my hair and a few other things.  My poor husband and kids.  I tried Pro-gest and that seemed to help for awhile.  I found an OB doctor who specialized in Bio-identical Hormone Replacement Therapy along with his standard OB/GYN practice.  A saliva test indicated I was on the low side of progesterone but still within "standards".  He listened to my symptoms and let me make the decision to go on BHRT.  I've been on progesterone (oral) and estradiol (cream) for 1 1/2 years and testosterone for about 6 months.  It's been wonderful for me, for my relationship with my husband and my kids don't think I'm a wacko witch.

I do eventually want to stop taking these and I've tried to go without but I'm not ready yet.  I never wanted to go this route but I have my life back.

My sister who's 1 1/2 years younger than me doesn't have any perimenopause or menopause symptoms, lucky her!!  Everyone is different and you just have to find out what is best for you.

These medications are compounded to my doctors instruction by a compounding pharmacist.

Kathleen
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 10:40pm; Reply: 11
Don't forget exercise & fresh air! Walking is wonderful.
Posted by: Kathleen, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:10pm; Reply: 12
Mrs T O+ you are so right about exercise.  I was diagnosed with osteopenia (bone loss not great enough to call osteoporosis) at 45.  My GP said "don't worry, you can take Fosamax when you get older"  ::)  No way is that going to happen.  Since then I've been weight lifting once or twice a week plus spinning and hope, when I have the test next year at 50, it'll show a bone loss reversal.  Because of this exercise, I feel sooo much better, feel good about myself and look better.

Kathleen
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:17pm; Reply: 13
Another thing that my NP put me on which I forgot to mention is    Symplex F which is a hormone normalizer of sorts.

If you have an NP you might ask about it.

Also my diet has had a HUGE impact on how I feel.
Posted by: Kathleen, Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:33pm; Reply: 14
Funkymuse,

I might like to try it, where do you buy it?

Kathleen
Posted by: 588 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:40pm; Reply: 15
Hello - great dialogues going on.
I have 3 dogs and live on a mountain and follow all the advice of Ceasar Milan, so yes, I am dedicated to exercising.
I have not been very good with the diet - let's just say I've NEVER eaten only from the Highly Beneficial list. And I have been drinking wine lately.
SO - today I stopped coffee and wine.  AND although I was seeking out the Xaio Yao Wan, and I could not wait on ordering Dr. D's FemBal, I did find "Oona" - and have started on it immediately...(I think I scared the clerk at the health food store :o :o)
I agree with everything that has been expressed here, esp that everyone is individual and has to find what works. I already feel relieved and look forward to feeling better every day.
I love these forums. I always benefit.
Thank you so much.
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:43pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Kathleen
He listened to my symptoms and let me make the decision to go on BHRT.  I've been on progesterone (oral) and estradiol (cream) for 1 1/2 years and testosterone for about 6 months.  It's been wonderful for me, for my relationship with my husband and my kids don't think I'm a wacko witch.

I do eventually want to stop taking these and I've tried to go without but I'm not ready yet.  I never wanted to go this route but I have my life back.


I was going to a Menopause Clinics of America. I saw a PA and she gave me Bi-Est, Testosterone and progesterone.  I gained weight using the Bi-Est, then I read that women were gaining weight on it and switched to estriodol and were able to lose the weight. I was planning on going to my gyn and seeing if she prescribes it. Suzanne Somers wants to stay on BHRT till she dies.  She even gets her TOM at 60'ish! I don't know if I want that, but some docs think that to bring the body back to balance, you have to have it back. Then you read about women on BHRT that got breast cancer too..It's a c**p shoot.


Posted by: Lola, Friday, April 18, 2008, 1:59am; Reply: 17
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http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=ED068H
Posted by: Kathleen, Friday, April 18, 2008, 6:12pm; Reply: 18
Lola,
Thank you for the reminder about the Menopause book.  I think it's time I read it.
Posted by: Curious, Friday, April 18, 2008, 9:37pm; Reply: 19
Maca is really good for menopause.
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Sunday, June 29, 2008, 5:17pm; Reply: 20
Hi all!

Since I really got into menopause last august, I have gained some 7 kilos and I am tired. Sometimes I drag myself into bed.
I do take my hb foods and take Fembalance, Cortiguard, soy isoflavones, drink hb teas like green tea, rosehip tea.
I do take the Activator, Multivitamins, and more for Teacher,
I do bike 3 times a week to Utrecht and fitness once a week, which I think is enough .. ;) I do eat the same foods as before..
No hot flashes, or sleepless nights for me. No way, I can sleep for ages... Many ladyfriends are jealous of my long nights of sleep.
But.. the kilos are bothering me.. And I do have more flexible (painful) joints since I am in menopause.. (reminding me of my pregnancies in the last weeks, when muscles were weakening)
Last friday I had my blood tested for thyroid, diabetes, cholesterol, so within 3 days I get the results.

Any suggestions are welcome!!

Take care

Cocky  8)

Posted by: Amazone I., Sunday, June 29, 2008, 6:45pm; Reply: 21
omG...nope that's not true...wild yam augments DHEA naturally and this is m ;) ;boosting  all kinds of  hormons naturally ;D trallala in orthomolecular treatments it is meant: first 1 to 3 weeks go for 3x2 pillies daily (300mg's )for long distance treATMENTS... go for 3x1 pillie daily and yuk it is (dito for anti-aging's trallala's... ;) :D ;D :X

Rhodama....I feel you exhausted by thyroide issues....and here
I want to share something with you...www.schmerzundtape.de

go and take three of those tapes...left and right of your backside and one up to the middle of your spine.. for about
3 weeks.... but be aware not to tire em too much ;)...Hans must fix em.....better  ;)....can b
and then he must fix one stripe from your axis to the second of your bws...wirbels... ;)...can be transversed to the frontside...yesss go for a try... ;) 8) :)
repetitions....for 6 months......(dead)(hehe)(evil)(cool)
naturopathic med. calls us : the issue is to be treatened on the oposite side.....laaaaa.... ;D ;)

sorry, this I am doing without any clear knowledge, just bellyfeelings (blush)(blush)......but that it works my dearle
I've seen that by myselve....weew great without any pains since last thursday.... and success whithin 30 minutes...(oh)(oh)(oh)(woot)(dance)(clap)(smarty)(book2)(nerd)(cool)(dance)(smarty)(whistle)
Posted by: Kristin, Sunday, June 29, 2008, 7:32pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from Amazone I.


Rhodama....I feel you exhausted by thyroide issues....sorry, this I am doing without any clear knowledge, just bellyfeelings (blush)(blush)......


That was my first sense too, Cocky, when reading your post... weight gain + tiredness = low thyroid for many women going through midlife changes. You could also have some adrenal issues at play as I know you have been through alot!! in the last few years, as well as menopause. Good thing to have your thyroid level checked  but you can have thyroid issues going on without it showing up in your bloodwork results.
Posted by: OSuzanna, Sunday, June 29, 2008, 7:48pm; Reply: 23
I definitely needed to see this thread...
muah, everybody :K)
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 30, 2008, 7:01am; Reply: 24
OSuzelannchen ya always welcome.... ;D :K) :K)
Posted by: Debra+, Monday, June 30, 2008, 1:25pm; Reply: 25
I agree...this is a great thread.  And...Maca is very, very good also.

Debra :)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, June 30, 2008, 2:22pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Kathleen
Funkymuse,

I might like to try it, where do you buy it?

Kathleen


Gosh... sorry for the long delay in response!  Google Symplex F and you will find it...
Posted by: 815 (Guest), Monday, June 30, 2008, 2:41pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from 547
Hi all!
Since I really got into menopause last august, I have gained some 7 kilos and I am tired. Sometimes I drag myself into bed.


I'm exhausted all the time also..I take royal jelly, which helps with the energy..and L-carnitine really wakes me up in the morning. I can't seem to de fog even with coffee unless I take it. It's for heart health, fat metabolism and energy. I'm trying arginine..I stopped the BHRT. I had the same reaction to it as Chole...that, and I believe the good ole' FDA shut down the compounding pharmacies because Wyeth was a whiner baby.  
Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 30, 2008, 2:54pm; Reply: 28
btw. Boron between 1 to 3 grams daily helps also to fight h.flashes and reduces bonepains....

and also may I allow myselve to recommend to all bloodtypes, in cases of fatigues or depressions not only use a higher amount of B complex but go for 10-20 (max.30mg's ) of Enada NADH this stuff will take you out of the deepness of whatsoever and is also compatible with the intake of SSRI's; which is contradicted for an intake of aminoacids...at the same time & SSRI's.
But to take Enada NADH just to boost your energylevels is super
great  ;)(wiseman)(ok)(ok)
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Monday, June 30, 2008, 6:11pm; Reply: 29
Hey Isa and Kris!

Thanks gals for your advice!! I will check those websites Isa  ;). Is wild yam something hb for A's??? Peter's encyclopedia states that wild yam is just for O's for menopausal problems..?? ??)

I will surf to those websites Isa..  :o

I think I still am lucky compared to my MPfriends  ::) here in Holland. But feeling so worn out (esp. in the evenings) is not fun at all.

I will come back with my results later..

Thanks gals!! You are precious!!

Cocky   :K)
Posted by: 547 (Guest), Monday, June 30, 2008, 6:16pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Amazone I.
of B complex but go for 10-20 (max.30mg's ) of Enada NADH this stuff will take you out of the deepness of whatsoever and is also compatible with the intake of SSRI's; which is contradicted for an intake of aminoacids...at the same time & SSRI's.
But to take Enada NADH just to boost your energylevels is super
great  ;)(wiseman)(ok)(ok)


Bcomplex is nothing for me.. I tested with my biotensor.. It is too much for me...  But Isa, the Enada I will give it a try again.. I felt well with it a year ago.
I must increase my soy-isoflavones as well..  :B

Boron is something I will check also..

Thanks again..
Cocky ;D

Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, June 30, 2008, 6:31pm; Reply: 31
ya welcome...perhaps did ya became just tooooo serious  ??) ??) :X ;D :K)
Posted by: 3490 (Guest), Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:10pm; Reply: 32
I have followed Dr.Adamo plan for almost 3yrs now(O+), dropped off large amount of weight (150lbs) then I hit menopause in 2008 and gained 30lbs mostly in my abdomen. Now what I am confused about is that I have followed the "O" plan to the wire and taking kelp and gluten free super b-complex and exercise 6days a week. Can someone shed some light on this for it is baffling me and I have become depressed with this recent events. I dont know what to do, for I have done everything I need to do to have a healthy lifestyle for the rest of my life.
Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:49pm; Reply: 33
dankita,
Welcome!
Click on 'Member Center' at the top of this page
here s a link on how to get a shield, a step by step guide given to another new member, by our moderator....
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1217270028/#num1
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Posted by: Lola, Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:51pm; Reply: 34
follow the guidelines in the health series book on menopause and also get your secretor status tested
Posted by: Mrs T O+, Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:16pm; Reply: 35
How about exercise & no grains?  Some folks are extrememly sensitive to them.
Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, October 11, 2008, 10:44am; Reply: 36
sometimes our overloaden-menopsykissed brains just do need a brake ;)...go for a fine meditation and or autogenes training  :D(wiseman)(kewl)(hehe)(sunny)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, October 13, 2008, 2:05pm; Reply: 37
I'm interested to hear from those who have 'gone through' menopause to find out how they are keeping their skin good, with good continued high collegen levels, etc., as I hear that after menopause you quit making the stuff and that's when the big wrinkling starts.

Silica?  I've heard something about that.   ??)

What else?  

I'm turning 50 next month and with good care of my health over the years am holding pretty good but wondering what else folks do as they get into these golden years.  

I'm still 'cycling' every month.  Sometimes they are light and then extremely heavy and I think I'm starting to have 'light' hot flash activity.
Posted by: Lola, Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:46pm; Reply: 38
give genoma a try! ;)
Posted by: Chloe, Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 6:29pm; Reply: 39
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/251570.php
Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, October 19, 2012, 7:02am; Reply: 40
::) I think the response here is- women produce more bellyfats coz of the need of hormonal balances which is made out of that fat??) Isn't it likewise and all the other blas is nothing but fear conciderings and creating  ... :-/
Posted by: snazzyshazz, Saturday, October 20, 2012, 12:06am; Reply: 41
I'm glad to see this thread surface. I am almost 51, and menopause is looming. Nothing really indicative yet, but as the article that Chloe posted stated, it's a good time to get the health front really in order.

Someone back in this thread mentioned maca. I have taken it for the last 5 years, but recently stopped - ran out, actually. So far, I haven't noticed a difference not taking it, but I will go straight back on it if need be. I don't have any hot flashes, the occasional very mild night sweat, regular(ish) cycles (between 23 and 28 days), and no mood swings to speak of.

Thanks ladies for all your posts - it is the sum of much accumulated wisdom!!
Posted by: Jennihul, Saturday, October 20, 2012, 11:27pm; Reply: 42
I have been having mild hot flashes only, for about a year and a half. My MD suspects my weight loss sluggishness may be due to poor sleep and she thinks that my taking Black Cohosh may help but I don't want to.

Coincidentally, she's given me a new blood pressure med called Spironolactone and I haven't had a hot flash since starting it. It's a mild diuretic and does something with cortisol or adrenaline. I've also lost 5 lbs spontaneously, which NEVER happens, and my kidney stones stopped aching. I'm waiting for it to perk up my breasts, get rid of my wrinkles and tan me. Because so far, it is a miracle.

No wonder she was giddy while writing the script.
Posted by: Bekki Shining Bearheart, Monday, December 10, 2012, 5:22pm; Reply: 43
Hi All,

Was beginning menopause in 2002 with a history of fibroids and in Dec 2005 had a complete histerectomy. 7 years later, having gone on the genotype diet and then Swami (though I am pretty compliant with Geno, not using my Swami as much as I could).

I found that the only thing that completely manages hot flashes for me is staying off alcohol. Even a glass of wine can usually bring a mild one on, though otherwise I NEVER get them.

I attribute this to liver issues-- which I associate with my Explorerism. I think that the Genotype protocol has really helped me finetune the few health issues that the Blood Type O diet didn't resolve.

For instance sex is still pleasurable for me and I don't have much trouble with dryness and some of the symptoms that other women complain about.

I am an herbalist and use herbs myself, I find that the adaptogens (Rhodiola, Schisandra, and Maral Root/Rhaponticum are my faves) many of which Dr. D recommends, are what work best, since they balance the whole system. I used to take vitex/chaste tree, but find that it is a little too much for me right now.

My personal take is that the diet is crucial, and the more I stick to it the better I do. Herbs just help me tweak it. And there's no doubt that anything that helps your endocrine system in general is going to be very important. Thyroid needs to be in balance, in my view, for things to work right.

My 2 cents ;)
Posted by: Amazone I., Thursday, December 13, 2012, 7:30am; Reply: 44
4 years since and yup must agree the nighty heavy fireings of my back isn't that enjoyable... >:( but ok... I won't go agains myselve ...... ;)(hehe)(mad)(shrug)
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