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Posted by: trish44, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 2:17pm
I wonder if there is anywhere that lists supplements that should NOT be taken for a particular genotype?
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 2:37pm; Reply: 1
I would love to see that too. Since the encyclopedia is no longer applicable, I feel in the dark about that. Very disheartening.  :'(
Posted by: Lloyd, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 3:40pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from italybound
Since the encyclopedia is no longer applicable


The encyclopedia is still a valid, useful reference. Nothing about the GTD invalidates it.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:27pm; Reply: 3
Zinc, Type O And Cardiomyopathy

ANSWER: You should use zinc. Your clinical situation supplants the long- range recommendations for your blood type, which is to avoid long-term zinc administration as its cummulative effects are suppressive on the immune system rather than augmentative. Your condition creates a long-term drain on your zinc resources so the 'epidemiologic' effects are moot. http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/archive-062004.htmlt.

Simply for the reasons given in this reply, I will continue to research my BTD books for answers and recommendations for various health problems until and if more Geno books are available. They are certainly more up to date than anything else out there a person would ever be able to find!
Posted by: trish44, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:35pm; Reply: 4
I do have the encyclopedia, but thought perhaps there would be something different in the gt.  Thanks for the reminder....and spring, what is cardiomyopathy?  I wasn't sure if you were addressing that to me.  I had Hodgkins a few years ago, and always worry that I might be taking something that I shouldn't.  For instance, I just learned that O's should not be amping up the immune system, and since I have been taking NAC off and on for a couple of years, as well as a couple of others, I am wondering if this is not a good idea.  I don't take zinc, however.  Thank you for responding.  
Posted by: Lola, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:44pm; Reply: 5
Zinc, Type O And Cardiomyopathy
think your link isn t working
here
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/archive-062004.html
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 4:47pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from trish44
I do have the encyclopedia, but thought perhaps there would be something different in the gt.  Thanks for the reminder....and spring, what is cardiomyopathy?  I wasn't sure if you were addressing that to me.  I had Hodgkins a few years ago, and always worry that I might be taking something that I shouldn't.  For instance, I just learned that O's should not be amping up the immune system, and since I have been taking NAC off and on for a couple of years, as well as a couple of others, I am wondering if this is not a good idea.  I don't take zinc, however.  Thank you for responding.  



I have no idea, Trish, I was just using that as an example of why I still use my other books! (smile) The folks at NAP would likely be able to help you with your questions. It wouldn't hurt to find out.
Posted by: italybound, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 5:47pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Lloyd
The encyclopedia is still a valid, useful reference. Nothing about the GTD invalidates it.


Okay, I like your answer better..............I was 'sure' someone on another thread said it was no longer valid for genotypes.  8)

then there is this comment:
I mean it has been said several times that the BTD and the  GTD are two different entities and not necessarily to be combined.

and this comment: this one is very confusing......is it or isn't it?  :-/
don t forget, these are two different systems (BTD and GTD)...... and then follows up w/ this comment..
the protocols and the BTD encyclopedia will never be obsolete, BT is the key to your physiology, always!

so if blood type is always the key, where does genotype fit in?  :-/
and if there are dif supps for GTD versus BTD, how does this make all the health series books and the encyclopedia still be ok?
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine w/ them still being valid for BTD and GTD. There just seems to be differing info.
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 10:01pm; Reply: 8
For my part, the Geno simply is more defined. Which is exactly why the Geno diet has been such a tremendous help to me. There is not a whole lot of difference in the way I eat now, the supplements I was already taking and what is compliant now were almost the same, BUT there are some important differences in the Geno that fit me to a "T." And they are working! I would never argue that the BTD is obsolete. I just needed a little refinement, and it made all the difference in me feeling awful and feeling wonderful!
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Saturday, April 12, 2008, 11:43pm; Reply: 9
Quoted from italybound


Okay, I like your answer better..............I was 'sure' someone on another thread said it was no longer valid for genotypes.  8)

then there is this comment:
I mean it has been said several times that the BTD and the  GTD are two different entities and not necessarily to be combined.

and this comment: this one is very confusing......is it or isn't it?  :-/
don t forget, these are two different systems (BTD and GTD)...... and then follows up w/ this comment..
the protocols and the BTD encyclopedia will never be obsolete, BT is the key to your physiology, always!

so if blood type is always the key, where does genotype fit in?  :-/
and if there are dif supps for GTD versus BTD, how does this make all the health series books and the encyclopedia still be ok?
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly fine w/ them still being valid for BTD and GTD. There just seems to be differing info.


I definitely want to know this as some of the supp's recommended in the LR4YT Book are not recommended in the GTD Book and if I'm going to go with one diet or the other, then that's the book I'm going to follow.  I'm not going to wobble back and forth between the two.  If I did that, I'd be eating alot of black dot items and avoids.

If several foods became avoids and black dots, why wouldn't several supp's become black dot and avoid supp's?  

I am very inqisitive about this because I want to do the right thing as much as possible for my body.  Not because I'm a "YANGY" (a waste of time challenging sad lost idiot); as Spring called that guy on the other thread!!! Ha....
Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 12:09am; Reply: 10
Funky, I don't bother about foods on the BTD only what Dr. D. has had to say about different ailments. If I hadn't had the chapter in LR4YT about polyamines I would never have been able to solve the problem I was having with canned and frozen stuff, cereals, etc. It was a lifesaver for me.  I was already taking the right supplements except for one, so that is no problem for me. I just don't seem to have too much of a problem relating the most recent information from BTD to what is going on now. When and/or if Dr. D. shares more of what he has learned I will certainly go with that. But we don't have that yet and there is nowhere else to turn for information that we need right now. So I'm satisfied with that.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 1:11am; Reply: 11
unless you try getting a gtd swami done.....
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 1:22am; Reply: 12
Quoted from Lola
unless you try getting a gtd swami done.....


man wouldn't we love to.  but i don't think they are done by email or phone..   ??)
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 1:28am; Reply: 13
check the practitioner registry....who knows? :)
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:31am; Reply: 14
Quoted from 1323
I definitely want to know this as some of the supp's recommended in the LR4YT Book are not recommended in the GTD Book and ...If several foods became avoids and black dots, why wouldn't several supp's become black dot and avoid supp's?


this is exactly my point funkymuse. thanks for putting it just so LOL

Posted by: 2330 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:01am; Reply: 15
Well, I'm sure you have already checked the ingredients of his GTD supplements - which cover a whole lot of supplement ground - and with the spices, etc., in the food lists, that is a LOT of information. This is what I did and I feel very satisfied that I am on the right track.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:51am; Reply: 16
I mentioned this in another thread.....
if I were ever going to follow or had to follow a protocol for whatever ailment, I d first grab either the encyclopedia or the protocol index, and follow the advice given, without hesitation, even if I ve gone totally GT in lifestyle and diet guidelines.

to me, neither the protocols nor the encyclopedia will ever be obsolete, unless Dr D were to point something out along the way.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 4:58am; Reply: 17
Cardiomyopathy, which literally means "heart muscle disease", is the deterioration of the function of the myocardium (i.e., the actual heart muscle)
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:17pm; Reply: 18
Well it's a bit strange that he carefully recommends certain supplements for each type but does not recommend deflect or a probiotic (at least for Hunter).

So one is left sort of  ??) and has to just make the assumption that going ahead on with the NAP probiotic is the best thing to do based on gut research for this type of thing.

As far as deflect, I'm not sure what to do because of money constraints.  

With the new science, I'm sure that Lectins are still an issue  ??)  

But with the GTD speaks heavily of the gut healing if one avoids the Avoids and the  Black Dots for 2-4 months.

So possibly Deflect isn't needed unless one goes out and eats avoids  ??)

But if one does not eat Avoids, maybe one does not need Deflect  ??)
Posted by: trish44, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:20pm; Reply: 19
Thanks Lola,  I could not get the link to work immediately.  Now I see that it was the blog that I was being pointed to...  I am getting out my encyclopedia today.  Does anyone know a good source for butyreate (sp?)  one of the supplements recommended for hunter?
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:42pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from 1323
Well it's a bit strange that he carefully recommends certain supplements for each type but does not recommend deflect or a probiotic (at least for Hunter).

So one is left sort of  ??) and has to just make the assumption that going ahead on with the NAP probiotic is the best thing to do based on gut research for this type of thing.

As far as deflect, I'm not sure what to do because of money constraints.  

With the new science, I'm sure that Lectins are still an issue  ??)  

But with the GTD speaks heavily of the gut healing if one avoids the Avoids and the  Black Dots for 2-4 months.

So possibly Deflect isn't needed unless one goes out and eats avoids  ??)

But if one does not eat Avoids, maybe one does not need Deflect  ??)


This should answer your questions: http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HPG42

GenoType Complete + Healthy Digestion (7-pack) includes all the GTD supplements plus blood type specific probiotics and deflect.

Not mentioning something is not the same as saying you should not use it. Blood type supplements are still valuable. Your antigens do not change based on being in a certain GT and many things are still best addressed from a BT basis.

Using supplements to address specific things is not the same as mixing randomly mixing foods from the two diets.
Posted by: italybound, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:49pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from trish44
  Does anyone know a good source for butyrate (sp?)  one of the supplements recommended for hunter?


Intrinsa or ghee. :)
Posted by: Lloyd, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 2:57pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from italybound
Quoted from trish44
  Does anyone know a good source for butyrate (sp?)  one of the supplements recommended for hunter?



Intrinsa or ghee. :)


Yes. Also, all the dairy superfoods for Hunters are high in butyrate. So butter is fine as well, as are the listed hard cheeses. Intrinsa is the 'more pure' form.

Posted by: italybound, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:00pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Lloyd
Yes. Also, all the dairy superfoods for Hunters are high in butyrate. So butter is fine as well, as are the listed hard cheeses. Intrinsa is the 'more pure' form.


thanks Lloyd!! I thought it was only ghee, so now we have more choices. (clap)(dance)(clap)(dance)
Posted by: trish44, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 3:59pm; Reply: 24
Thanks, great! I do eat butter, even when I wasn't supposed to.....I am trying to remember if that was what was recommended for muscle cramps by Dr. D, I will have to check and then watch to see if I have those horrible things on the days when I eat butter or no butter.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 4:01pm; Reply: 25
magnesium helped me......
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 4:06pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Lloyd




Not mentioning something is not the same as saying you should not use it. Blood type supplements are still valuable. Your antigens do not change based on being in a certain GT and many things are still best addressed from a BT basis.

Using supplements to address specific things is not the same as mixing randomly mixing foods from the two diets.


Thanks Lloyd... but Dr. D does not mention many things and I think he mentions those he feels that are most important.  There are so many supp's out there I could buy for this and that condition that are not mentioned.  I choose to really go with what he suggests.  

It's hard to know as a layperson what to really go with so I really depend on the GTD now (previously BTD), to sort of guide me through the confusion of so many choices.  

The next best thing would be a GTD Swami which Lola suggested.  So I hope to find one in the WA (Seattle area).
Posted by: trish44, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 5:16pm; Reply: 27
Yes, Lola, I take that as well.  But sometimes it doesn't seem to help much or soon enough.  I actually saw that recommendation on the link above, it was one of the last questions.  I am curious now, to see if the spasms happen more often on the days when I do not eat any butter.  This is all so intriguing.
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 5:19pm; Reply: 28
I don't eat butter and I get horrid RLS at night.  Sometimes the Mag helps but overall I think it helps more than hurts.
Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 5:33pm; Reply: 29
why not add ghee instead?
and are you not intrigued to know your secretor status, to finetune your diet recommendations and follow the protocols more accurately?
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Sunday, April 13, 2008, 5:50pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Lola
why not add ghee instead?
and are you not intrigued to know your secretor status, to finetune your diet recommendations and follow the protocols more accurately?


Lola.. you arn't talking to me are you?   :-/



Posted by: Lola, Sunday, April 13, 2008, 5:51pm; Reply: 31
no, to trish!
according to her avatar....no stat yet
Posted by: trish44, Monday, April 14, 2008, 1:41pm; Reply: 32
I really cannot afford ghee, Lola.  I have made it a couple of times, first was good, second cooked too long.  But, butter is a super food, is it not?  For us hunters?  Yes, I am anxious to know secreter type, I really think that I am a secreter, if being in excellent health all my life until stress and pesticides took a toll at age 58.  But I am going to find out for sure.  And as for the cramps, I think I found the culprit.  I have been taking ICP6 for a while, as I was told it was a good preventative for cancer.  Seems it throws the cal/mag balance out of whack for me, so I am stopping it.  
Posted by: 1323 (Guest), Monday, April 14, 2008, 9:36pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from trish44
I really cannot afford ghee, Lola.  I have made it a couple of times, first was good, second cooked too long.  But, butter is a super food, is it not?  For us hunters?  Yes, I am anxious to know secreter type, I really think that I am a secreter, if being in excellent health all my life until stress and pesticides took a toll at age 58.  But I am going to find out for sure.  And as for the cramps, I think I found the culprit.  I have been taking ICP6 for a while, as I was told it was a good preventative for cancer.  Seems it throws the cal/mag balance out of whack for me, so I am stopping it.  


Yes Butter is a super food, but Ghee is a Diamond.  But for budget, butter will do.  
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